I want midrange tourque

I want midrange tourque, im thinkin b18 or maybe zc. what do you guys think. Its a 88 DX, i have seen tons of b16 swaps and i like them but im afraid that i wont like how high strung they are.

LS would work nice DOHC ZC cheaper b18a you can get dirt cheap and there almost same as its older well younger bro the b18b.
GSRs b18c have midrange and the high string like a b16 but cost more

Ya i know you can get the ZC and those bolt in. But the b18 have to have a mount kit to install them, im thinkin thats what i am gonna do, i just dont want to get beat that bad by the b16s with there 20 more hp.

talk to crap whats his name with LS motor hes whopped b16a before

torque = turbo :D

torque = v8
torque = something my car has very little of
torque = that good feeling of pushing you back in your seat

:iceslolan

toruqe and honda is not used in the same sentence, if you wanted a torquey car, you shouldve bought a Trans Am.

My Honda does not have a lot of torque. There you go, both of those words in the same sentence :iceslolan...ya ya, I know I'm a smartass.

unbelieveable man:shakes head:

lol how is that unbelievable?

Want torque...need displacement
Displacement=bad gas mileage
In order to get good gas milage - displacement=no torque..

Doesnt it work something like that.
lol
But seriously if you want torque you need a turbo or a trans am...

lol how is that unbelievable?
that you managed to get them into one sentence.

Im not talkin about tons of tourque, im not stupid i nkow your not gonna get much out of a 4 cylinder. but now my only concern is if i do the B18 swap i am gonna get beat by the B16s with VTEC. Soooo

well as i said before someone hear has LS swaped 4gen thats beaten b16a civics

The b16 is not an all-mighty engine that is untouchable. The b16 may have 20 more hp than the b18b but the b18b has like what, 20-30 more lb/ft of torque. Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races, lol.

My torque:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/uploads/161346/burnout1.jpg

Humm... its not a V8 and its a two door hatch... is it considered sport compact?

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races, lol.

i hate that quote. :disappoin
anyways i would go with a b20b/z. lots of midrange and cost around the same b18b. plus you will be able to hang with the b16s, if not beat them.

Yeah I know what you mean...there are a lot more things to consider, like power curve. I'd rather have a more linear power curve than one that spikes really high in the rpm's. Granted I have a honda, and thats where my power is, lol.

Doesn't mean this thing has torque (sorry Josh)...1.5 liter with exhaust and short ram intake, lol. Also, no water or bleached or anything was used to get smoke, just the 92hp beast. I would know because I was the one who took the pic, lol.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/428000-428999/428493_27_full.jpg

yea i know what you mean.

where i live all these muscle car guys talk about torque winning races and that horsepower means nothing without torque. its just there ignorance that bothers me. they think that having less than 200 torque means you cant be fast. yet with their v6 mustangs making 200+ torque they still can't beat my little sedan. :grinno:

end of rant. :smile:

:werd: I could have a steady torque of about 150 and beat a car that has a top torque of say 170but before that is lower than mine.

p.s. Magazine racing sux, lol.

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races, lol.

And parrots repeat everything they hear. :chair:

If you had any idea what the fuck you were talking about you'd realize what an idiotic statement that is.

my experience with LS vs b16 goes something like this.

my b18 would smoke the tires in three gears, woo ricers with its "most torque of any b series" bullshit (ever noticed how the GSR has *more* torque than B18A :rolleyes:), and it sure looked pretty under the hood.

when it came down to it, id whoop b16 hatches in 1st and 2nd, and get smoked when their gearing started to catch up.

you could call the LS the Chevy305 of the 4 cylinder honda world. torquey (for a honda), but its top end sucks badly

get pulleys and ignition system unless you really want to swap... oh yeah, you may say "bs" but sohc with ignition, hc pistons, and pulleys wasted some b16s... i miss those hc piston days :rolleyes:

you could call the LS the Chevy305 of the 4 cylinder honda world. torquey (for a honda), but its top end sucks badly
So its a stolen Ford motor also?
ROFL

learn your old racing before you say WTF.

setanta would have a field day with this thread lmao , torque is a By product of HP and the bigger the engine the larger the torque, unless you go turbo etc etc, if not just get a B16A and then put in some cams to alter the power range mate

setanta would have a field day with this thread lmao , torque is a By product of HP and the bigger the engine the larger the torque, unless you go turbo etc etc, if not just get a B16A and then put in some cams to alter the power range mate

OOOH! Someone with a slight understanding!

HORSEPOWER IS TORQUE!

torque is what gets you there, horsepower is whatk keeps you there.

go with the B18 and then throw on like 2 bolt ons/mods and you should be able to take the B16's with no problem.... same with the ZC

Im not talkin about tons of tourque, im not stupid i nkow your not gonna get much out of a 4 cylinder. but now my only concern is if i do the B18 swap i am gonna get beat by the B16s with VTEC. Soooo


WTF: You can get a lot of torque out of 4 cylinders. Just requires more $money$ and work!

go with the B18 and then throw on like 2 bolt ons/mods and you should be able to take the B16's with no problem.... same with the ZC
:screwy: For some reason my zc isnt taking b16's with no problem. I have i/h/e/tb/im. hmm.. :evillol:

RPM's make the horsepower, which is why the b16 has such a high rating! Sure it has 160hp but you have to be way the fuck up in the rpms to get it! the ls motor usually rapes a b16 off the line and through 2nd cause it takes so damned long for the b16 to get in the ideal engine speed.

WTF: You can get a lot of torque out of 4 cylinders. Just requires more $money$ and work!


:iamwithst nice post captain obvious.

OOOH! Someone with a slight understanding!

HORSEPOWER IS TORQUE!
sadly I thought ppl knew that.

And parrots repeat everything they hear. :chair:

If you had any idea what the fuck you were talking about you'd realize what an idiotic statement that is.

I meant it as more of a joke, sorry if I pissed anyone off during the process of that, geez.

Guys, isnt HP just Torque multiplied by the RPM??

Right. Torque is the only measureable variable on the engine.. I forget the exact equation, its something like HP=TQ X 1212 or something crazy like that.. If I could find it, I would show it. :)

My torque:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/uploads/161346/burnout1.jpg

Humm... its not a V8 and its a two door hatch... is it considered sport compact?


Hmm looks like the engine is going to blow its smoking alot hurry turn it off. Thats UGLY as hell and if it was an import Id sell mine, but the My 1st amendment right freedom of speach and to state my opinion. :p

:iamwithst nice post captain obvious.

kindof a country redneck kindof voice deep.

AHH. Thank you... Thank you very much






Wtf??? ur problem he basically said you cant get any torque out of a 4 cyl. and i basically said he can with some $. I dont see the problem here!

Hmm looks like the engine is going to blow its smoking alot hurry turn it off. Thats UGLY as hell and if it was an import Id sell mine, but the My 1st amendment right freedom of speach and to state my opinion. :p

Hey isnt that the car in dude wheres my car??? :screwy:


What movie is that in, i know ive seen it somewhere!

looks like the Wayne's World Mobile, a Gremlin.

Here's the info I was looking for:

Horsepower (by itself) is NOT a measure of power transmitted through
the crankshaft -- torque is. A higher HP number does NOT automatically
translate into higher torque (your sportscar examples are roughly
equivalent to the HP rating of a semi tractor -- which one produces
more torque?). HP does indicate how fast a particular class of engine
can rev and still produce power before it starts to stumble all over
itself.

Remember: Horsepower is calculated: Torque x RPM's / 5252. This is the
exact same formula used by every engine manufacturer (has to be, or
else you couldn't compare one to another).

Notice that Torque can be measured idependently of HP. RPM's can be
measured independently of HP. Horsepower can not be calculated without
both Torque and RPM's.

In other words: a HP rating without either the RPM's or Torque at
which it was calculated is relatively useless.

The highest PRV HP rating I've found to date is a non-consumer Renault
Le Mans racing application. (I should have clarified my HP statement:
You're going to be hard pressed to get much more than 250 HP in a 3
liter production engine). It did put out something like 400 HP at 7000
RPM. But do the math -- that's only 300 Ft Lbs of Torque. Production
American big blocks have always exerted more.

The common misconception is that ""horsepower"" somehow translates into a
an imaginary ""number of horses"" hitched to the front of your car
pulling it like a wagon. The obvious flaw with that vision is it
neither tells you how big the horses are nor how fast they are moving.
6 Clydesdales at a steady gait will outperform a dozen galloping
circus ponies every time. I guarantee it.

I like to raise uninitiated eyebrows with the locomotives my employer
used for many decades (electric traction motors I know, but the shock
value is the same). 600 max HP. Doesn't sound like much, does it? But
they produced that at 700 RPM's. In other words, they exerted more
than 4,500 Ft Lbs of Torque. That generates more than enough
electricity to pull 5 1/4 *MILLION* lbs of freight. Could your
similarly rated Lambourgini Diablo (550 HP) do the same? Of course it
couldn't, but a person comparing only Horsepower numbers would never
know that, would he? (Our railroad now uses bigger 1,500 HP units that
spin closer to 900 RPM)

bla bla bla b16's suck :)

No but I can just go off my experiences and times and they seem to be even or they surpass the the times of b16 powered cars with same or more mod's

I dont know why people say the top end suck's I have pulled many b16 powered car's up top.

Ok well i have a buddy with an obd0 b18a with I/E in his hatch and I have raced him from a 2nd gear roll, we stay about dead even. I inch on him during shift's but it's minimal because he isnt the greatest driver and he just started with a stick.

Now when i raced the b16 powered crx with I/H/E from a 2nd gear roll I pulled on him instantly everytime, we raced a good 3-4 times.

I can just go off experience and the b18 out perform's the b16 in alot of cases.

I wish I could do more of a comparison with gsr powered hatch's too but my buddy wont race me.

Here's the info I was looking for:

i knew it It was in the FAQ!!!!

Hmm looks like the engine is going to blow its smoking alot hurry turn it off. Thats UGLY as hell and if it was an import Id sell mine, but the My 1st amendment right freedom of speach and to state my opinion. :p

Yeah freedom of speech is great. Accually thats one of my prodject cars. 77 AMC Gremlin-X. It hasnt been in any movies. Waynes world and dude wheres my car were both pacers I believe. Its not the prettyest thing, but it will definatly hold its own on the streets and has alot of sentimental value (was my fathers before he passed away). Its powered by a 258 (thats 4.2 liter) inline 6. Currently puts out around 250hp and 350ft/lbs torque. Its going to be supercharged one of these days, but its on the back burner now because I baught a 88 Civic 2dr hatch.

HA HA gremlins rock!! i made a gremlin pinewood derby car (cubscouts anyone?)