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97_3clipse
05-15-2004, 09:59 PM
Oh great! look what i found ... http://movies.go.com/movies/F/fastandthefurious3_2005/index.html
thtas right FnF 3 !now the ricer training video 3 is out!

Chavez408
05-15-2004, 10:05 PM
can you say...DRIFTING!?!

Andydg
05-15-2004, 10:22 PM
Oh boy.

Import2nr99
05-15-2004, 10:41 PM
hehe.. why? why must the madness continue? is it even gonna have vin diesel in it? or just his "character"?

Chavez408
05-15-2004, 10:47 PM
aslong they bring that one chic..what was her name? the undercover cop girl in 2f2f??

Chavez408
05-15-2004, 10:59 PM
Here she is!


http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/79/fast3.jpg OH MY GOD!!


http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9726/fast5.jpg Yea its ok baby, Im still here.


http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8564/stuck.jpg Someone hold me back!!


http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2917/eva_mendes20.jpg So much booty-i-a..!!

NOFX0617
05-15-2004, 11:35 PM
:iagree: she is super hot

guitarXgeek
05-16-2004, 12:27 AM
Chavez, I think you love women a bit TOO much.. wait, that's not possible =P

ashah000
05-16-2004, 08:06 AM
What no brian o conner WTF o well :p

EVOclipse
05-16-2004, 11:04 AM
just remember because of these movies the market and scene has blown up and alot of parts are getting cheaper and cheaper. besides half the kids wont know shit about tuning anyways and the rest of us can take all there money on the weekends =P........(all this coming from an n/t RS owner)

duckydsp
05-16-2004, 01:53 PM
:iagree:

Well said. I never thought of it that way.

1g redline
05-16-2004, 07:32 PM
vin made the first one so realistic i thought it showed street racing how it was suppose to be shown kinda then you got 2f2f based on a ex cop and ex bad guy trying to catch another bad guy to become clean citzens and in the trailer of that movie they said they thought it went deeper into street racing then ff ya sure and my ass is a lollipop so i think since vin is in the third i think that it would be better and more realistic and maybe no jumping cars on boats thats what killed that movie but anyway since they used up all the good mtsu cars like the eclipse and evo what will they use as the main car now?????

guitarXgeek
05-16-2004, 09:44 PM
1g redline-I almost ran out of breath trying to read that! Use periods or some kind of punctuation please, it makes your posts A LOT easier to read for us all! =)

Anyways, Evoclipse did make a good point about the movies bringing a lot more business and recognition to the import scene. Whether the business is from ricers or true tuners is the only catch ;)

Chavez408
05-16-2004, 09:58 PM
guys...drifting!! the movie is based in TOKYO!! gotDRIFT?

JoeWagon
05-16-2004, 10:42 PM
Pokemon is also based in Japan. Does that mean there will be pokemon in this movie? No. Well, maybe.

Chavez408
05-16-2004, 11:03 PM
I wish..







:D

EVOclipse
05-16-2004, 11:23 PM
well atleast think of it this way as well...tokyo is way cooler than anywhere any of us live with our dsm's and crap so theres way more hope and potential for this, there car scene is awesome. wether it has drift or not...its still got a better chance than we can talk shit pokemon or no

JoeWagon
05-16-2004, 11:58 PM
well atleast think of it this way as well...tokyo is way cooler than anywhere any of us live with our dsm's and crap so theres way more hope and potential for this, there car scene is awesome. wether it has drift or not...its still got a better chance than we can talk shit pokemon or no

Don't assume everyone thinks the same way you do. Japan has more japanese cars... big deal? Italy has more ferraris. The potential for F&F3 was lost within the first 5 minutes of the first movie. Your city may suck, but that doesn't mean America does.

EclipseRST
05-17-2004, 07:20 AM
:werd:

Urban_Squrill
05-17-2004, 12:36 PM
Yet another movie. AHHHHHHHHHH

1stGenRocks
05-17-2004, 01:48 PM
maybe with a new movie coming out that doesnt use a 2g eclipse maybe the blitz bodykit can actually get used again lol

Reckage
05-17-2004, 01:58 PM
i wouldve wanted to see more american muscle in the american based movies and since i've never been into the import scene i'm curious to see the awsome cars they use. I'm a v8 gas guzzling guy for now until i get my rs. my excuse to my freinds for now is that i need better gas mileage but i think i like these dam beautiful cars. OMG did i just say that!

redturbo66
05-17-2004, 04:27 PM
fast and furious 3 is going to be a big waste of time. The first 2 were terrible.........regardless of whether or not Vin Diesel was in them. Vin is a worthless actor.......a new Van Damme! Nothing more.

Chavez408
05-17-2004, 08:19 PM
atleast the first movie had some actual racing in it, unlike the second one, where they just chased each other...

BoostedSpyder
05-17-2004, 09:18 PM
ahh, yes, tokyo, the land of the $20 big mac where you could burn a dollar and get more use out of it....

EVOclipse
05-18-2004, 12:29 PM
and yet all the japaneese drivers can come to america and clean our clocks...wonder how come non of our drifters even touch those guys...and the ones that even maek it to the next round are hardly american. also all of our cool ass 4g63's came from there...as well as the first car that actually uses it well the evo. yeah talk trash because ya i own a dsm and so do you...but that lancer would whooop any stock version of our cars. and its a 4 door. also lets not forget that reliable engines are hondas, and everythng japanese ppl do is to perfection. and if you want to blame anything about there economy and burnind dollars...remember it was our fault. ever wonder why they cant have a military. but yet germany screwed up 2 times and still has theres.

BoostedSpyder
05-18-2004, 01:47 PM
uhhh... ok...

anyone remember South Park episode 'chinpokemon'

i think EVOclipse got all but hurt on that one... and Japan does have a Military, defensive, but still a military. i think they had their first offensive deployment no too long ago in support of middle east mascarade. they are supplied by us tho. and if you know your shit about Germany, it was more of a US-Soviet thing for the forces there. ever heard of Ramstien AFB? last stop to the communist front? ya Germany had a lot to do with that one...

xllSkylinellx
05-18-2004, 02:46 PM
vin made the first one so realistic i thought it showed street racing how it was suppose to be shown kinda then you got 2f2f based on a ex cop and ex bad guy trying to catch another bad guy to become clean citzens and in the trailer of that movie they said they thought it went deeper into street racing then ff ya sure and my ass is a lollipop so i think since vin is in the third i think that it would be better and more realistic and maybe no jumping cars on boats thats what killed that movie but anyway since they used up all the good mtsu cars like the eclipse and evo what will they use as the main car now?????


The Japanese will probably laugh at the stupid americans for making such a movie.... it's a shame to see it come back again to attract the ricers and wannabe-drifters.

BoostedSpyder
05-18-2004, 03:15 PM
it's capitalism, that's all. i'm sure at this point all of the major tuning companies are loving to give free parts and show cars for this one. the publicity is insane. what better way to promote sales than to really reach into the 'sleeping giant' of the american market. at least it isn't gang or drug related. IT'S A MOVIE. just like The Marix. the closest they ever got to the real underground race scene was the first race in the first movie. hook line and sinker. 3rd sequal in the making...

and just a quick question, how would you rice [rice, i meant rate] yourself with your N/T eclipse and Auto Accord...

[i know all you N/T guy's are gunna freak but it's only for this guy]

xllSkylinellx
05-18-2004, 03:34 PM
it's capitalism, that's all. i'm sure at this point all of the major tuning companies are loving to give free parts and show cars for this one. the publicity is insane. what better way to promote sales than to really reach into the 'sleeping giant' of the american market. at least it isn't gang or drug related. IT'S A MOVIE. just like The Marix. the closest they ever got to the real underground race scene was the first race in the first movie. hook line and sinker. 3rd sequal in the making...

and just a quick question, how would you rice [rice, i meant rate] yourself with your N/T eclipse and Auto Accord...

[i know all you N/T guy's are gunna freak but it's only for this guy]


I would rate my self a non-ricer... the accord was sold to me by my mother's brother for only 4000, the eclipse I bought myself recently for 4500 as a project car. There's nothing wrong with driving an auto Accord, it's a nice car and there's also nothing wrong with an Eclipse RS, a great project car. You must feel you're above me with your "boosted spyder" don't you? Good for you man, show me how fast you are and you're racing skills on the straight aways lol.

redturbo66
05-18-2004, 03:46 PM
and yet all the japaneese drivers can come to america and clean our clocks...wonder how come non of our drifters even touch those guys...and the ones that even maek it to the next round are hardly american. also all of our cool ass 4g63's came from there...as well as the first car that actually uses it well the evo. yeah talk trash because ya i own a dsm and so do you...but that lancer would whooop any stock version of our cars. and its a 4 door. also lets not forget that reliable engines are hondas, and everythng japanese ppl do is to perfection. and if you want to blame anything about there economy and burnind dollars...remember it was our fault. ever wonder why they cant have a military. but yet germany screwed up 2 times and still has theres.


Whooa! Take it easy man. Nobody's trying to step on your dick. We're just proud of our DSM's. EVO's are awesome cars and I'd love to have one but they are just way too damn expensive. Besides, with a little love and care, my GST will soon be much faster than a stock Evo.... while having spent less money in the long run.

redturbo66
05-18-2004, 03:49 PM
I would rate my self a non-ricer... the accord was sold to me by my mother's brother for only 4000, the eclipse I bought myself recently for 4500 as a project car. There's nothing wrong with driving an auto Accord, it's a nice car and there's also nothing wrong with an Eclipse RS, a great project car. You must feel you're above me with your "boosted spyder" don't you? Good for you man, show me how fast you are and you're racing skills on the straight aways lol.

Respect to you! My second car is my Nissan Maxima 2000. A great car for transporting the wife and kids. But when I'm on my own time, I'm in my Mitsu. Do yourself a favor and look into a turbo project. My friend turboed his rs a few weeks ago and he's smoking everyone on the roads now.

BoostedSpyder
05-18-2004, 05:27 PM
The Japanese will probably laugh at the stupid americans for making such a movie....

uhhh... what country are you living in? it doesn't seem as if you are in this one with that comment. is it so bad that us 'stupid Americans' like entertainment? i know Brian O'Conner doesn't exist. mabey nobody told you that before. and ANY publicity is good publicity. there was a great point made earlier: ricers buy parts, prices go down. it also becomes more socialy acceptable and more of an artform than a punk kid kind of thing. i know in LA cops used to look hard at tuners, now they don't even sweat us. the more, the merrier as far as i'm concerned. it's like the ricers out there are cannon fodder. some nasty looking, sounding ricer will get pulled over before i would. unfortunatly for them the cops local to me prey on the weak, and if you are driving a nicer car than the guy next to you , the guy next to you is going to get it.


I would rate my self a non-ricer... the accord was sold to me by my mother's brother for only 4000, the eclipse I bought myself recently for 4500 as a project car. There's nothing wrong with driving an auto Accord, it's a nice car and there's also nothing wrong with an Eclipse RS, a great project car. You must feel you're above me with your "boosted spyder" don't you? Good for you man, show me how fast you are and you're racing skills on the straight aways lol.

no it's not that i feel 'better than' at all. we are all little energy globs floating around in space. do with yourself waht you want to. i'm still on a stock turbo so i especialy don't feel 'better than'... lol

Reckage
05-18-2004, 05:55 PM
Greatly put its just a movie i dont give a f*$k what the japanese think of the americans this movie makes big bucks for alot of ppl and keeps more bucks in the pockets of tru tuners so as far as i'm concerned this is awsome for society and the economy and also if this movie isnt made,
"The terrorists will win"

JoeWagon
05-18-2004, 06:15 PM
Every time there is a movie about a hobby or profession, the REAL professionals get mad because it's not accurate. It sucks now that I notice every flaw in every movie that has a chase scene (or even worse, they try to TALK about cars). I realize that it's the same way with everyone else though, and I won't be mad at people for making/watching a movie, because I know some people don't know as much as me about cars, and/or they just find it interesting. I could care less whether they make the movie or not. It provides me with a year's supply of jokes. Got NOS?

xllSkylinellx
05-19-2004, 12:38 PM
Every time there is a movie about a hobby or profession, the REAL professionals get mad because it's not accurate. It sucks now that I notice every flaw in every movie that has a chase scene (or even worse, they try to TALK about cars). I realize that it's the same way with everyone else though, and I won't be mad at people for making/watching a movie, because I know some people don't know as much as me about cars, and/or they just find it interesting. I could care less whether they make the movie or not. It provides me with a year's supply of jokes. Got NOS?


I'm not just talking about the Japanese, I mean the people living in the US also.. even kids who only know a little about cars, but they know enough, and people like joewagon, and others on this forum. No one's going to get mad but...... we all are going to laugh at it, can't deny that.

xllSkylinellx
05-19-2004, 12:46 PM
"uhhh... what country are you living in? it doesn't seem as if you are in this one with that comment. is it so bad that us 'stupid Americans' like entertainment? i know Brian O'Conner doesn't exist. mabey nobody told you that before. and ANY publicity is good publicity. there was a great point made earlier: ricers buy parts, prices go down. it also becomes more socialy acceptable and more of an artform than a punk kid kind of thing. i know in LA cops used to look hard at tuners, now they don't even sweat us. the more, the merrier as far as i'm concerned. it's like the ricers out there are cannon fodder. some nasty looking, sounding ricer will get pulled over before i would. unfortunatly for them the cops local to me prey on the weak, and if you are driving a nicer car than the guy next to you , the guy next to you is going to get it."

You have a good point there... I agree. I'm calling the stupid americans mainly directed to the people who watched the first and second and actually thought it was cool... not the people who actually have car knowledge and worked on their own cars. As for entertainment? Well, I have to be frank about it, yes I find it annoying that americans love entertainment so much, so what?, everyone has their own opinions about others... all in all we're all in the same boat. :rofl:

BlackBlur
05-19-2004, 12:51 PM
Look at it this way, how many ricers started racing after FF1? Well drag racing isnt that hard. Now if theres drifting in it, which actually involves steering, ricers are gonna try it and all, or nearly all are going to end up crashing and totaling their pimp rides. Therefore ricers are going to kill themselves off! Woohoo!!!! I hope theres lots of drifting, the more of it, is the more civic fags are gonna want to try it. Die ricers die......

xllSkylinellx
05-19-2004, 01:08 PM
Look at it this way, how many ricers started racing after FF1? Well drag racing isnt that hard. Now if theres drifting in it, which actually involves steering, ricers are gonna try it and all, or nearly all are going to end up crashing and totaling their pimp rides. Therefore ricers are going to kill themselves off! Woohoo!!!! I hope theres lots of drifting, the more of it, is the more civic fags are gonna want to try it. Die ricers die......

Lmao, ricers and their civics huh? I'd like to see them drift in those, wtf they going to do drift in reverse? :rofl: , but drifting is already exploding in the US, ever since the D1 competition last year. Signal Auto made a huge impact [if you ever watched Komatsu and Bai drift you'd know why], and people here in America are already buying out all the 240sx's out there in this country. On top of that, everyone wants a s15 conversion now.... and a sr20 motor. I saw this whole situation coming on that day I read about D1 for the first time in some car mag a year ago, so it's not really a surprise....

So this third FF movie isn't going to have that much big of an impact on drifting as we think, however it's just going to be fuel on fire, just my .02.

BoostedSpyder
05-19-2004, 02:27 PM
i got my ass handed to me by a guy in a FUCKED UP 240 that is undergoing a s-15 transplant [the headlights were blue taped on and a fender was missing, but you could see the roll cage and the AFC and gauges etc...]

but damn that shit was fast... fucking RWD got me off the line and by 3rd he had 2 carlengths. i quit at that point but i may have made up some on him in 3rd... who knows. the guy was a dick tho, i pulled up next to him and was like 'hey what turbo are you running' and he was like don't worry about it' and i was like 'your car looks like a piece of shit! i would never drive that shit, fast or not' and he shut up after that... lol

EVOclipse
05-19-2004, 02:52 PM
"stupid americans" that watched it and thought it was cool....believe it or not most of the cars built in the movies were decent(in fact they could probly hurt almost 90% of the cars on this forum), obviously they had like 5 models so they could trash some. but yeah so what if the story was lame. how many movies do you know with decent cars in them? oh wait u probly thought the italian job was awesome...cause it had mini's in it. as for ricers dieing. yeah thats cool we all know its sooooo awesome when someone in motorsports dies. as for drifting in a civic...if you can actually read, u CAN drift FWD cars. anyone in here ever pick up any of the mags (modified years best) obviously its not the same technic but losing traction still makes it drift able. its all about ure entry speed. ok so if anyone wants to keep bitching why dont they list some popular movies that actually made money and have better imports than FF. aside from all the obvious best motorsports and jdm insider type vids...either way if u actually know of them it would be nice to see..

LandoAWD
05-19-2004, 02:59 PM
None of the cars built for the series of films was "decent". I think they broke the 14 second mark with ONE car; the pink S2000.

As for ricers dying, natural selection is a bitch. If they want to be "uber l33t dRiFtErS y0", let them. I'll read about it in next year's Darwin Awards.

As for FWD "drifting"...bullshit. You can create oversteer, yank the e-brake, put trays under your rears, whatever, but it is not "drifiting".

Finally, type like you were born with opposable thumbs and half a brain.

Thanks and goodnight.

redturbo66
05-19-2004, 03:07 PM
None of the cars built for the series of films was "decent". I think they broke the 14 second mark with ONE car; the pink S2000.

As for ricers dying, natural selection is a bitch. If they want to be "uber l33t dRiFtErS y0", let them. I'll read about it in next year's Darwin Awards.

As for FWD "drifting"...bullshit. You can create oversteer, yank the e-brake, put trays under your rears, whatever, but it is not "drifiting".

Finally, type like you were born with opposable thumbs and half a brain.

Thanks and goodnight.

:worshippy

Reckage
05-19-2004, 03:12 PM
Actually the yenko camaros were known to hit 9 sec 1/4 mile times right off the showroom floor so that car was awsome i still have that domestic taste for raw hp as you can see. Other than that i know all those imports were slow and jumping bridges and shit was stupid and i hate ludadick acting suxed but f*&k it the producers lnow these are money making movies soo as long as theres enough ppl who pay too see this stuff the more youll see of it

LandoAWD
05-19-2004, 03:17 PM
http://www.motortrend.com/features/scenes/112_0305_2f2f_exp/index3.html


"The faithful Yenko S/C replica may jump back 30 years in refinement, but the torque and thrills are formidable in any era. The challenging gearbox and out-matched tires required recalibrating our driving technique. Ultimately, it was former 1967 Camaro owner John Kiewicz who pushed the faux legend to match the Skyline's 0-60 mph time and dominate the quarter mile. However, the Camaro's 1960s-grade brakes and soft, simple suspension conceded the deceleration test and slalom course to the modern racers. Despite the wallowing body roll and considerable steering input, the Yenko clocked a reasonable 61.1 mph slalom."

EVOclipse
05-19-2004, 05:18 PM
yeah lando cause uve heard of soooo many of those eclipses with there 200 jttc wins and 5 championship wins, that skyline was damn nice and most of them are. AS for the FWD , READ you moron, drifting is mostly about entry speed and yanking and ebrake just is the way u can lock up your rear wheels since u have no drive there. again like i said u wanna check it out yourself. READ modified years best mag article on drifting, and if u really wanna argue over it, goto a drifter forum and bitch at someone youll have more support. drifting just means keeping speed and losing traction, who the fuck cares how u do it.its just fun.althought FWD isnt the popular or smartest choice for drifting its still QUITE able to be done. saying FWD cant drift is like saying AWD cant either. as for darwin awards, oh yea natural selection(so smart there), but if u think dieing is so cool then go jump off a cliff or something yourself. tractions gay drifting is cool.

LandoAWD
05-19-2004, 06:48 PM
Your intelligence is obvious by your misguided, rambling, semi-coherent, mispunctuated, blithering excuse for a post.

What Eclipses and championship points in a series have to do with this thread AT ALL is beyond me. Just more diarrhea of the mouth. If you were attempting to link that fragment of a thought to the "mad tyte" Skyline, go read the C&D tests, or the SCC tests of the movie rides. You will find I am QUITE right.

You are another punk teenager buying into the "latest and greatest" from overseas. I bet you have "JDM" tatooed next to your woman places.



Cliff's notes: Piss off you ignorant, whiny little child.

ashah000
05-19-2004, 07:11 PM
Some RWD cars also use the e-brake, but FWD and drifting don't go together for me.

Watch Initial D. It's a good movie :)

1g redline
05-19-2004, 07:21 PM
Your intelligence is obvious by your misguided, rambling, semi-coherent, mispunctuated, blithering excuse for a post.

What Eclipses and championship points in a series have to do with this thread AT ALL is beyond me. Just more diarrhea of the mouth. If you were attempting to link that fragment of a thought to the "mad tyte" Skyline, go read the C&D tests, or the SCC tests of the movie rides. You will find I am QUITE right.

You are another punk teenager buying into the "latest and greatest" from overseas. I bet you have "JDM" tatooed next to your woman places.



Cliff's notes: Piss off you ignorant, whiny little child.

:eek7: big words confuse redline.

on a seperate note you can drift in a fwd car its stupid but you can.

BoostedSpyder
05-19-2004, 07:37 PM
who do these kids think they are?

<throws a bucket of cyber water on the crowd>

1 question, how could you maintain a powerslide in a FWD car?

and trust me you never ever ever want to see a streetracing accident or anyone die as long as you live.

ashah000
05-19-2004, 07:41 PM
And if your doing ebrake slides in a FWD, you better hope you have disks in the rear. Otherwise, good luck not cracking the drums. Even with the disks hope you don't fuck something up.

1stGenRocks
05-19-2004, 08:31 PM
fwd drifting is damm harder then rwd real fwd drifters just yank the ebrake once on the way in and they keep the car turning enough that the back stays loose that takes skill. drifting in a rwd you just go at the turn and step on the gas the back breaks loose and you just keep going easy as pie. rwd is the original drifting but if you look at a real drifting place fwd is harder thats why they all recommend 240z as good starter cars cuz they're rwd which is easier

EVOclipse
05-19-2004, 08:40 PM
well the main part to drifting is entry speed not just droping to 2nd gear and slamming on the gas, as for my typing and or punctiation its just not that important to me. so get the f over it. as for my age im past the teens but not by much. and im glad i dont want to be any older anyways. and anyone who says i should be older then they are dumb cause i feel old enough. as for my being a whiney little child f u, bring it, ill back up everything i say.

Import2nr99
05-19-2004, 08:58 PM
Bring what? what are you gonna do? cyber slap him? this is a little juvenile don't you think? Drifting involves a lot more than just yanking things and slamming brakes. besides, this thread is about the new F&F movie, not drifting. this is an eclipse forum. nobody with an eclipse will ever be a respecatable drifter.

So anyway... wow, how bout those special effects on the movie...weren't they great! I wish my car spit out green flames!!

(just trying to change the subject)

LandoAWD
05-19-2004, 09:18 PM
Bring what? what are you gonna do? cyber slap him? this is a little juvenile don't you think? Drifting involves a lot more than just yanking things and slamming brakes. besides, this thread is about the new F&F movie, not drifting. this is an eclipse forum. nobody with an eclipse will ever be a respecatable drifter.




Right on.

I'm sick and fucking tired of people who try to be internet badasses whenever a conflicting opinion is presented. Grow up, kids.

FWIW, I own both movies and will never knock the sheer entertainment factor.

Nstyle29
05-19-2004, 09:33 PM
what is great is how far off people get off topic because of them gettin pissed at what others say, so they have to justify themselves...most of the time diggin themselves even deeper into a shit hole.

EVOclipse
05-20-2004, 09:27 AM
well im just saying if someone just wants to get personal and start talking shit about my age intelligence or anything else besides a car,then yeah ill back up myself and say bring it, fly here or whatever its called respect, why dont u just start calling ppl poopy pants or something if your going to go that far, thats why ppl like me say bring it, cause we dont need to deal with dumbasses going to a retarded level of talking shit. specially when they dont know CRAP about the person. this is only the 2nd thread ive seen lando ay shit to me. as for the conflicting opinion....if u want ppl to stop getting pissed off about it REPRESENT YOUR OPINION IN A REPECTABLE MANNER WHERE AS PPL WOULD LIKE TO LISTEN, no one will listen to your damn opinion if you throw insults into it. even a whiney little kid like me.(which its still better to be young than some old man)

LandoAWD
05-20-2004, 09:31 AM
I won't waste my time reading another jumbled post.

I DID see something about respect. YOU were the first with the personal attacks. YOU had to go and call someone a moron (me).

Again, I have made up my mind on the topic of your intelligence, and you repeatedly prove me right.

Post on-topic, like I did before I was attacked, or get the fuck on little boy.

EVOclipse
05-20-2004, 10:23 AM
o0o0oo im scared again like i said bring it,or do u just talk, meet in person and id drop you fast.

EVOclipse
05-20-2004, 10:25 AM
"Finally, type like you were born with opposable thumbs and half a brain." you were first. OLD MAN

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