What does it take to beat an RX-7

Hey guys, once again a racing or comparing question. My cousin has an 87 RX-7,. b4 it was NA but now he got turbo. Those cars are really admirable and amazing machines to me. That's one of my favorite cars. Anyway, he's really fast, so I would like to know if i would ever fix up my car just for racing big time what would it take, i would like to know to either try to have a decent race with him or just save up my money and wait for the re-release of the RX-7 in 2006. I heard that it was gona come out with 3 rotor engine instead of 2 this time.

first ur gonna need an sr20det engine then get sum turbos and other mods then ull have him

You could do the easy way and swap an SR20DET into your car as many 240 owners do, But I would rather keep the KA which is a 2.4 and boost it up.
There are NOS and turbos setups for these cars.
But try first Rebuilding your block, you will be supprised as to how much power a stock block can put out with the right parts and machine work.
I've heard of a 540HP LT1s' and 250HP civic all naturally aspirated. This will give you a jump if you have them setup up for boost aplications, and give you the best results.
Think of it like this, a turbo can cost you between $1500-$3000, and an engine rebuild may cost you around $750-$1000, then add the cost of high performance parts, and goes up to maybe $2500, the yield of your new motor could be almost the same as your blow motor and then when you add a turbo, you are in a whole nother level.

motor rebuilds are not reliable at all tho...

if you can afford a brand new rx7, wtf are you doing with a pos s13?


and why do you call it a 240si?


in short, to anwer your question, "what would it tae to beat an rx-7?"

i say a good baseball bat or sledge hammer would do it nicely.

or you can go buy an f-max turbo kit for around 4k. guaranted to smoke that fc

overnight parts from japan.

motor rebuilds are not reliable at all tho...


Haha probably not if you did it. But if it were in the hands of anyone who knew what they were doing, a motor rebuild is the ONLY way to make an engine reliable for high horsepower applications. If you can't find the right tool in this garage, you don't belong near a car.

wow nice quote from fast and furious HA

If you can't find the right tool in this garage, you don't belong near a car.

fuckin' right doggy!

schecter, PMed you back.

all rite thanks

the font on my sig is freshbot, so the x looks like an i.
I was gonna get an fc but my mom didnt let me, so i went with the 240, i like fr's better than ff's. Anyway i'll probably get an fc in the summer, they cost really cheap and the motors are so easy to rebuild, well they are to me anyways. I think the 240 looks better tho. Anyways should i take my s13 to any mechanic shop or the dealer or what?

by saying i like fr's better than ff's i meant i rather get this than a honda civic

rotaries aren't really simple to rebuild... if you do anything wrong your screwed and if the apex seals aren't perfect your screwed too so unless you have a ton of experience I wouldn't advise you to rebuild it yourself

oh yea and a TII runs mid-high 14's in the quarter mile and will tear up an autox coarse because of the 50/50 of the FC so you'll need quite a bit to beat it

what the hell is a 240SI?

lol already discussed... the font he used makes the X look like an I lol

lol already discussed... the font he used makes the X look like an I lol
oh shit im stupid lol good lookin!

I have a buddy with a 88 TurboII....he was hitting 12lbs with stock fuel delivery, one word guys.....POP now my BMW that doesnt even run will beat him cause i can push it faster cause it weighs less........;-)

How about what would one need to beat a stock ~90ish RX-7, I don't know RX-7's very well, aren't they pretty close to the 91' 240sx at the 1/4 mile?

well depends, the regular 90 rx-7 have 160 hp, same as 240, only difference is that it pulls 140 lb ft torque and its rotary engine so there is no need for conversion to rpm in transmission (am i right or wrong?) And i heard that the Nissan tranny isn't that good. Someone told me that the 350z comes w/280 hp but only delivers 250 at the wheel. I dunno if its true, but if it is im guessing that the 90 rx-7 would win if a good driver was racing.

Anyways this is from what ive heard, I could be mistaken tho.

drag drag drag screw that be a real racer and race canyons

yeah that's what i like to do because hp doesnt really matter that much in tracks, but they do in drags (except for the rx-7)

eh challenge him to a canyon run see who the real racer is

and rx-7 will smoke you in anything sotck vs. stock... it is just barely faster in the 1/4 mile so its really a drivers race... but ay road course he will tear you up if hes a decent driver, rx-7's were built for those races, they have much better stock suspension and the engine is perfect for autox

eh fix ur suspention tune ur engine to 180hp not that hard and hit the canyons with some good tires and brakes and KILL that rx-7

All I have right now is tires, but I have a 90' sohc =\

I thought the 90 rx-7 had like 140hp and 120lb/ft, It's advantage was in the rotor's power curve, making it in the end just slightly faster than the dohc 240.

Are these numbers fair estimates:

90' 240 16.5 secs
91' 240 16.1 secs
90' rx-7 16.0 secs

Thats what I thought it was

why dont u just sell ur car and buy a 91 supra turbo then sell it and get the 240sx after you beat him -_-

I agree with Soyo the Rx-7 would hand you your ass. And I thought stock RX7's non turbo had 150hp? I know the Turbo 2's have 200hp either way there lighter then the 240's better suspension, better quality. lol I mean hell Turbo 2 against 180SX fast back with the Sr20 Ide still take the RX-7

89-91 rx-7 has 160hp and 140lbs, and yes the power curve is awesome on the rotary

rx-7 can run 15.8-15.9 with a good driver
and I think sohc 240's run like 16.7-16.8 then the dohc runs like 16.1-16.2 not positive on the 240 ones though

the cars are within 50 pounds of each other so thats not really anything big

the rx-7 has 50/50 weight ratio and the 240 is like 46/54 I think... someone correct me if I'm wrong

but anyways the rx-7 handles better cuz it has sweet stock suspension but they are really close in 1/4 mile...

TII rx-7's had 200hp in 89-91
they had 182hp from 86-88

the FC is more suited for racing than a 240sx is, anyway you cut it.

an FC vs. a silvia is kinda different, but unless your talkin about an s14 or s15, dont try to compare.

dude have you ever gone up against a rx7?!?!?! there fricking awesome!!! but yea a 240 could take one stock MAYBE... but if he has suped his up then you'll have problems cuz theose rotories kick ASS!!!! if he has put a lot of money into the engine and tuned it correctly they you'll have a hell of a time making a 240 beat it but if not then a KAT or SR20 might beable to do it but I hate the sr cuz everyont has to be JMD bla bla bla just shut the fuck up. the Ka kicks ass just admit it you know it's true even if you don't admit it you know in a straight line OR sidewayz a KA would kill the sr so all you with the sr or hpes to get one don't waste your money, or HAHAHAHA you already did lol loser, NAaa but really the Ka has much more potential than the sr has anyopne seen a sr with 550hp and 475ft/lbs torque yea I didn't think so... Flame me at will LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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time to set down the peace pipe man.

dude I can't help it it just so addictive...lol all the buttons just blur together dammit.. ok just ingore anythying I say tonight

lol its ok man, it made for a good laugh... and you had a few bits of good info in there maybe :)

but I hate the sr cuz everyont has to be JMD bla bla bla just shut the fuck up. the Ka kicks ass just admit it you know it's true even if you don't admit it you know in a straight line OR sidewayz a KA would kill the sr so all you with the sr or hpes to get one don't waste your money, or HAHAHAHA you already did lol loser, NAaa but really the Ka has much more potential than the sr has anyopne seen a sr with 550hp and 475ft/lbs torque yea I didn't think so... Flame me at will LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


the sr isnt just jdm. its the damn motor originally designed for the car.

dont give this bS about KA having more potential then the sr when you have no facts to back it up.

ka sideways? wth are you smoking? do you drift? because i do, and just cause it can hold power and is torque-y, it doesnt mean that the engine makes for a good drift. true, drifting is more skill than car, but the stock ka cant hold up rev if it had it by suspenders.

i think your pantlegs are too tight and cutting of the blood flow to your head

how about I end this arguement with this... the CA18DET is better than both of them... and the rotary is better than everything! :) glad thats all cleared up

dont give this bS about KA having more potential then the sr when you have no facts to back it up.



I have never looked up specs up for the sr because I have never been intersted in it.. but I know the Ka CAN produce 575ish HP and 470ish ft/lbs torque, I know that would take a lot of time and money but it is there. I have never seen anyone show me a dyno chart for an sr that had anything like that...maybe like 400ish hp and 350ish torque but that the highest I've ever seen. but it's all good to each his own.

if you can prove me wrong then I'll gladly change my mind but untill then I love my KA..
and sorry about the posts last night I was kinda drunk

I have never seen anyone show me a dyno chart for an sr that had anything like that...maybe like 400ish hp and 350ish torque but that the highest I've ever seen.

Are you serious? I've seen 600hp sr's, plus, dont many D1 cars (as an example) have around 500hp?

yea, but like I said I have never looked up the specs on a sr...but damn so why do ppl say the sr is so much better if they both get around 600hp?? is it just because of the powerband, and what you plan on doing?


I know there will always be some jdm guys around but are there any real reasons?

well if you havent looked up info on the SR, then dont go flinging BS left and right.

just say facts you know. for example, i dont even know you, but im sure that my penis i 10 to 12 times thicker, longer and carries somewhat of a more charismatic presence than yours

its not necessarily a better motor as much as its a DIFFERENT motor.

this doesnt need anymore discussion, you can look all over the internet for SR vs. KA threads from every forum.

then why don't you go with better and different like a rb26dett with the AWD setup in you 240?? or any RB?? or you could be really different and get a b18c5 or h22a and make you 240 FWD!!! yea it's a waste of money but it is different. I just though I would make my point again DON'T waste your money on a sr expecting it to out perform a ka..unless there both stock but otherwise there basicaly the same..


and if you wanna be different then paint you 240 pink and gold with white and blue flake and get some green 100 spoke rims and pimp your shit out....

dude, the sr is so much better in ways, but so is the ka. sr IS GOOD FOR DRIFT CUZ OF THE HIGH REVING POWER BAND, ka is GOOD FOR DRAG CUZ OF THE EXCESIVE AMOUNTS OF LOW END TORQUE. end of discussion.

the engines may produce the same amounts of high hp, but at what RPM's?? thats what matters. a ka could produce lets say 500 hp at 4-5k, but the sr will produce 500 at say 6-7k. i dont know much about sr engines, or power bands for that matter, but i do know that they are totally rev happy.

end of discussion.

. I just though I would make my point again DON'T waste your money on a sr expecting it to out perform a ka..unless there both stock but otherwise there basicaly the same..



quit talking out of your ass.

dont expect to outperform a ka with an sr?

STUPID!!! the SR is turbo, the ka isnt...how the fuck are they the same?

your an idiot cause theres no "stock ka-t" so theres no way to compare them. thats like saying "well your stock rx7 cant beat my rx7 with turbo upgrde"

its just not the same level

your such a moron, you nevr made a point in the 1st place bozo



b18 or h22? i hope thats a joke, but even if it isnt, youre a fucking retard

end of discussion.


word, dont try to argue back or state some other BS, cause youre not gonna win, just suck it up, be a man, know that youre wrong and that i slept with your mother.

know that youre wrong and that i slept with your mother.

^too funny

no I wasn't saying the engines were the same. but the end products are similar. that all I was tryin to say.

and what am I tryin to win I said I would change my point of view if someone would give me the facts... and since the HP is the same,and I said I knew PB is diffrent. then you said its just to be diffrent not better... then you jumped way off the deep end talking about some shit cuz ur wrong, you ran out of facts. and how long does it take to get a sr?a month and then you have to makesure everything is ok, rebuild, buy all the turbo upgrades,ecu upgrade,ect... .and how long would it take to hook a turbo up?? yea the price of a good turbo and the sr are about the same plus labor and other parts you might need for either would make the prices similar. so if you wanted power and didn't care if it was different the a ka-t would be the way to go but I guess there are a few 600hp sr's out there so if you wanted to be diffrent and put a shitload of time and money into your car so you wouldn't want to go anywhere cuz you might wreck it then yea go with the sr. I'm not trying to be a jakcass but read my whole post before you try to say some smart shit, damn.. and you can sleep with my mother all you want, but thats kinda nasty dude..


but hey my new H22a powered 240 is sick, with the 100 spokes damn!!!gettin the paint tomorrow will post pics.... LOL j/k biznitches

the whole reason people buy 240s is cuz they are rear wheel drive and perfect for drifting. if you were to put a h22 in there, it'd ruin the whole point of owning a 240. might as well not even have an engine in there and just put in some pedals and chain, or better yet, do it flintstone style. youd have the same results as having a honda motor in there

no I wasn't saying the engines were the same. but the end products are similar. that all I was tryin to say.

and what am I tryin to win I said I would change my point of view if someone would give me the facts... and since the HP is the same,and I said I knew PB is diffrent. then you said its just to be diffrent not better... then you jumped way off the deep end talking about some shit cuz ur wrong, you ran out of facts. and how long does it take to get a sr?a month and then you have to makesure everything is ok, rebuild, buy all the turbo upgrades,ecu upgrade,ect... .and how long would it take to hook a turbo up?? yea the price of a good turbo and the sr are about the same plus labor and other parts you might need for either would make the prices similar. so if you wanted power and didn't care if it was different the a ka-t would be the way to go but I guess there are a few 600hp sr's out there so if you wanted to be diffrent and put a shitload of time and money into your car so you wouldn't want to go anywhere cuz you might wreck it then yea go with the sr. I'm not trying to be a jakcass but read my whole post before you try to say some smart shit, damn.. and you can sleep with my mother all you want, but thats kinda nasty dude..


but hey my new H22a powered 240 is sick, with the 100 spokes damn!!!gettin the paint tomorrow will post pics.... LOL j/k biznitches

huh?
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zdude I was just joking

this is my thread, all i asked was what did it take to beat an rx-7. That's it. But i like reading all these posts. Its really funny. so u can keep on going if u wnat to.

Anyways, h22 engines pack 200 hp, that;s cool for a honda prelude for the ff, but defintly not 240 thats an fr, just like zdude said. how dare someone thinkm of such atrocity!!!!!! 240s are the bomb with watever kinda motor!!!! They could take out some cars that are fixed up stock!!!!!!!! The reason i got a s13 is because theyre fr and i was tired of ff. No offense for ff drivers.

Now, I was thinking of getting an sr20 in a year or so, i have no hurry in getting it. Hopefully i could have 2 cars, an economic honda or another 240 for regular use, and my 240 for racing. Its tru taht ka could get more power, but there's no stock turbo for it, so i dont want to rebuild the engine and stuff and make my ka a ka-t. I think i would use (not waste) more money which i dont have. Also i would like to race in tracks because it more fun, so i would go with the sr20. Also, the sr20 is good as it is already. and just the fact of having one is pretty cool (i dont care if its jdm) because the engine was made for that. About legalities... since ka-t and sr20 are both illegal, hell i'll just go with the sr20 and save myself some time and some money. Just my opinion.

About RX-7s. They are really cool. However theyre kinda difficult to maintain if they have a small motor thats prety simple. My cousin's rx-7 kept braking down everytime he went to the race for some little reason. But it pays off when u have an NA car that can take on 350z with TT. I like em because u dont need a lot of hp to beat high hp cars. And now that he has a turbo, its going to be even better, but ill guess ill try to wait til his car starts to break down to race him,

then vengence shall be mine :evillol: , hahahahahaha, lolololol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl:


Sorry about that got a little carried away. One more thing, not everything is just having a lot of hp.

Someone on Fresh Alloy posted a S2000 powered 240sx.

Plenty of room for a turbo still!