How does the R32 stack up?

Since it's introduction the R32 has been pitted against the likes of the EVO and STI, this more than likely is due to their similiar pricing and AWD. Other than that the cars are very different and the R32 is no match for the EVO and STI in all around performance. So R32 fans and volkswagen point to the R32s styling and interior comfort. So I feel that a better comparison would not be against the EVO and STI but the 350Z , RX-8, S2000, and Mustang Mach 1 who also have similiar pricing, performance, and favorable styling. So how does the R32 stack up against the 350Z, RX-8, S2000, and Mustang Mach 1?

2004 Volkswagen R32
3.2L 6-Cylinder
240HP@6250RPM 236TQ@2800RPM
6-Speed Manual
3380Lbs
AWD
0-60- 5.8 Seconds
1/4 Mile- 14.2 Seconds
Braking- 110FT
Skidpad- .86g
Base price- $29,100

2004 Nissan 350Z
3.5L 6-Cylinder
287HP@6200RPM 274TQ@4800RPM
6-Speed Manual
3230Lbs
RWD
0-60- 5.6 Seconds
1/4 Mile- 14.0 Seconds
Braking- 116FT
Skidpad- .89g
Base Price- $28,350 (Enthusiast Model)

2004 Mazda RX-8
1.3L Rotary
238HP@8500RPM 159TQ@5500RPM
6-Speed Manual
3020Lbs
RWD
0-60- 6.0 Seconds
1/4 Mile- 14.5 Seconds
Braking- 114FT
Skidpad- .90g
Base Price- $26,680

2004 Honda S2000
2.2L 4-Cylinder
240HP@7800RPM 161TQ@6500RPM
6-Speed Manual
2840Lbs
RWD
0-60- 5.5 Seconds
1/4 Mile- 14.1 Seconds
Braking- 117FT
Skidpad- .92g
Base Price- $32,800

2004 Ford Mustang Mach 1
4.6L 8-Cylinder
305HP@5800RPM 320TQ@4000RPM
5-Speed Manual
3470Lbs
RWD
0-60- 5.2 Seconds
1/4 Mile- 13.7 Seconds
Braking- 120FT
Skidpad- .85g
Base Price- $29,250

So of these five who would you choose? Does the R32 stack up against these 4? I think it does, but if I had to choose between the 5, I would go with the 350Z.

i think the r32 is a great car, but i hear of VW's having early problems, from many people on this forum, i think if i had a choice it would be between the s2k and the 350z (more on the 350 because i think the vq35de engine has more potential for power than the s2k engine)

of course, i would go with the z here. i love the 350z's styling and plus it does high 13's. can't wait until Greddy starts selling their TT kit for the 350z.

for everyday, i'd take the r32.
no real need for a reason...
i like evo/sti, and i'll defend these other cars to the death, but i've always really like vw's...

i say how is the r32 is kind of underpowered for a 30,000 dollar awd sports car these days, but i think alot of people like to rely on this turbo kit coming out that gives it 550 or so horsepower, i choose the 350z, im ready for an rwd car, and the VQ engine has alot of potential

I read about an r32 twin turbo that has the record of the fastest car from 0-60 kph...it makes it in just 1.1 seconds.

FYI, 0-60kph is NOT much...
that's like 0-30
there's alot in that range.

that turbo kit is nice, but expensive.

i'm not relying on it. i like the car for what it is, unmodified.

stock for stock, i like it.

mach1, i'd take the muscle bound beast!

Going by the numbers alone, it seems like it's a performance match only for the regular WRX while being priced with the STi and EVO, and I'd take either one oer any of the cars in this list. But if I was forced to pick from here... probably the RX8 for that simple fact it has 4 seats. So does the R32 and Mustang, but I like the RX8 better. If I already had another car so I didn't have to worry about seats or anything else practical, the S2000 just for the fun of it.

of course, i would go with the z here. i love the 350z's styling and plus it does high 13's. can't wait until Greddy starts selling their TT kit for the 350z.
sorry to break the news but the TT kit for the VQ35DE is already out:)
ill take the 350Z anytime!

Im glad VW finally brought the r32 to America, even if it is overpriced... I would have a hard time buying a golf body over a 350z, s2k, or an Evo. I know it is a great car, just not as great as its competitors at the moment. However, I bet it has alot more potential then the STi or the Evo (both already have massive turbos). So would I buy one? No, but there still cool.

350z
EVO
S2000
Sti
R32
RX8
Mach 1 (handles like an Accord)

(both already have massive turbos)

:sly: Have you ever SEEN the stock turbos from either one? And what does that have to do with which one has more potential. Logically, wouldn't the car that's faster out of the box have "more potential"?

Logically, wouldn't the car that's faster out of the box have "more potential"?
nope! the S2000 is a bit fatser in a straight line than the 350Z..does the S2000 have a greater potential? hell no! :smile:

sorry to break the news but the TT kit for the VQ35DE is already out:)
ill take the 350Z anytime!

sorry?!?! i am glad i heard that. i thought it was still in development. but we all don't know everything.

Isn't it a bit unfair to compare those cars with the Mach 1 since the Mach 1 is a V8?

I don't know, just saying, but I actually didn't know the Mach 1 did 0-60 in 5.2 seconds, lol. Personally I like the 1969 Mach 1 over the new one, but it's cool to have the Mach 1 back, now to continue the Boss Mustang...

i'd take the s2000

I'll have the RX8, followed by the Golf, followed by the S2k, followed by the 350Z, followed by the Mach I.

The RX8 has 4 seats, looks stunning, finally has made the rotary engine practical and is the most original idea for quite a while.

The Golf is well built, torquey, has a great driveline and brakes, but the Mk 5 is out now and it'll probably be ultimately better when they decide to put a 3.2 in it.

The S2000 is a fine looking car with an awesome engine, but the handling is to snappy.

The 350Z is too impractical, too coarse and uncomfortable. Nice engine and handling though.

And lastly the Mach I, well...Let's just say that the current Mustang is a cheaply put together joke that can't be replaced soon enough (By a car that will be ultimately better)

Isn't it a bit unfair to compare those cars with the Mach 1 since the Mach 1 is a V8?

I don't know, just saying, but I actually didn't know the Mach 1 did 0-60 in 5.2 seconds, lol. Personally I like the 1969 Mach 1 over the new one, but it's cool to have the Mach 1 back, now to continue the Boss Mustang...

Again I say why is it unfair, the Mach 1 has relatively the same performance and price? One could easily assume if somebody was looking for a fast car for that price range that the Mach 1 would be considered along with the others. Just like in my Elise vs. Cobra match up, I ask why is it unfair, is it because you don't think the Mach 1 stands a chance? Why is that, the fact that it is the most powerful car of the five and the only one with a 8-Cylinder in my mind should give it more of an unfair advantage, but so far this has not been the case. Ford has had over a half a century to get the Mustang right, a car that's not only fast in a straight line but is also just killer on a track, and I don't want to have to pay $50,000 for a Cobra R when I can get straight line speed and killer track performance for $30,000 with the STI and EVO, or $40,000 with the Elise.

Um.... notice my name and avatar, why would *I* be the one that tells you that the Mustang won't stand a chance??

Doesn't the Mach1 outaccelerate the rest in 0-60 and 1/4 mile while stock?

I know with "mods" the others could catch up and beat it, but don't think that's what we're comparing now are we?

Not to mention they have the obvious weight advantage, and not sure how easy it is to mod the new Mach1, don't really like new Mustangs...

Um.... notice my name and avatar, why would *I* be the one that tells you that the Mustang won't stand a chance??

Doesn't the Mach1 outaccelerate the rest in 0-60 and 1/4 mile while stock?

I know with "mods" the others could catch up and beat it, but don't think that's what we're comparing now are we?

Not to mention they have the obvious weight advantage, and not sure how easy it is to mod the new Mach1, don't really like new Mustangs...
hmmm....You would be the one to answer me this question. Is the Mach I built around the GT or Cobra?

I was just replying to 3000ways because he suggested that I was saying that the Mach1 would not stand a chance. I was ust pointing out that I would not be the one that would say something like that, since I personally like Mustangs, as my name and avatar suggests...

Anyway, like I said, I don't know much about the new Mach1, I personally like Mustangs 1993 and before...

I think 1969 was the best year for the Mach1, at least looks-wise.

I know that ;)

I was just thinking you'd know, being a 'Stang guy :p

Hehe, sorry dude, don't know, I would think they are all related, all being from the same 4.6L modular V8, but seeing as to how the GT is an OHV engine, I think, and the Cobra and Mach1 are both DOHC, or at least OHC engines, I would think the Mach1 is built off the Cobra engine. I'm not 100% sure of the Mach1, but I know the Cobra is a DOHC engine, and I think the Mach1 is too, but not completely sure. So if I had to guess, I'd say Cobra. Like a downgraded Cobra engine.

I'm pretty sure the Mach1 is the Cobra engine n/a

once you go for a drive in a 32 gtr u wont go back lol. i herd of r32 gtrs runnign 13.5 stock but dun have any proof of that. they are reasonably fast and back in their days nothign could touch them. i like it for the fact it is GODZILA an even stock its a nice car. rear looks bit aged though but apart form that the car is very good

He means the Golf R32, dipshit.

weel geee sorry for misunderstanding. i still would take a r32 skyline over r32 golf ne day (mite sound nice and all but still would preffer gtr)

lol, was just playing with' ya.


I'd take the Golf, I'd be getting a Warranty at least!

once you go for a drive in a 32 gtr u wont go back lol. i herd of r32 gtrs runnign 13.5 stock but dun have any proof of that. they are reasonably fast and back in their days nothign could touch them. i like it for the fact it is GODZILA an even stock its a nice car. rear looks bit aged though but apart form that the car is very good

:rofl::screwy::grinno::lol::lol2:

Hehe, sorry dude, don't know, I would think they are all related, all being from the same 4.6L modular V8, but seeing as to how the GT is an OHV engine, I think, and the Cobra and Mach1 are both DOHC, or at least OHC engines, I would think the Mach1 is built off the Cobra engine. I'm not 100% sure of the Mach1, but I know the Cobra is a DOHC engine, and I think the Mach1 is too, but not completely sure. So if I had to guess, I'd say Cobra. Like a downgraded Cobra engine.

The Mach 1 is a Cast Aluminum block with higher compression, it uses the standard Ford Rods, and Forged Pistons. The Cobra is a Cast Iron Block with lower compression, it uses the Manley H-Beam Rods with the Forged Pistons, they both use the same steel crankshaft. The '03/'04 Mach 1 is very similar to the '01 Cobra Engine, but makes a little more HP because of the tune.

I voted Mach One. I like the idea of making over 300 horsepower without having to rely on forced induction :D

id take the z.