the fault line

it amazes me the extent to which we pour so much effort into arguing who did what, and what party is better, and who we think should be elected. The amount of effort and obvious emotion that is put into tearing down one canidate or the other is simply amazing.

here we are, in an internet forum, expending a great deal of enegry getting angry at each other, and blaming other people for the intolerablly crappy state of the nation. i especially find amussing the string of posts i recently read that attempted only to discredit those taking to the streets in opposition of what has become one of the greatest displays of ineptitude in american history.

"those damn dirt hippies are at it again. what a bunch of uninformed, idealistic college rejects. why cant they just cut their hair, take a shower and get a job?"

and here we are. on an internet forum. tearing down the people in the streets, trying against all odds to make this nation work "for the people" again. they should just get a job, and not question the actions of the government that they know very little about.

there are no parties responsable for the state of the nation. no president, or presidential canidate will make it better or worse. America has entered a downward descent that will end in a loss of our celebrated military and economic dominance. and we'll still be here pointing fingers at each other, laying the blame on a president who could spell his name is if it wasnt shortened to just one letter, or on a president who got caught getting laid.

noone is at fault here but the American people, who apathetically stand by and accept the self perpetuating cycle of two party politics in which we are scared into voting for one of the two because we dont want to "waste our vote" and whose interest in politics dies after election year.

you can laugh at those "dirt hippie college rejects" all you want. tell them to take showers and get jobs.

at least they're voices are getting heard, their presence is being noticed, and they are affecting some change in our nation.

the fate of this nation rests in the hands of the activists

And your point is............?

And your point is............?


....something that went right past your head. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

As for the original post, I might not agree with these "hippies", but I do respect their conviction to get some things changed around here.

I just wish that the middle-ground, where I see myself being, had enough resources to have a voice. I know I am too busy feeding my family, the same family that holds me back from speaking out more also.

Thank God for the internet.

I know I will be "wasting" my vote this election. The problem is that I have found noone that I feel comfortable voting for. I may end up just doing an eeneee meenee miney moe and picking anyone who is not Republican or Democrat. I think the last decent chance we had of breaking down the 2 party system was with Ross. When will an independant come up that has a chance of capturing enough votes to wake people up and see that it's possible to break this "2 party system"? I put that in quotes because even though we think it's a 2 party system they are all just one big party who are after one thing and that is control over us. Both parties are looking out only for themselves, their buddies and their special interest and the hell with the rest of the world. This goes for the top office right down the ladder to the bottom rung. I have bever met nor seen a Democrat or Republican politician that I like or respect save possibly 2. Time will tell on those 2.

As for the protestors. I have been there a time or 2 myself. The only thing that bothers me about them are the traffic jams they cause while I drive to work. Other than that I applaud their effort and conviction even though I may not always agree with the flavor of the month protest. They are getting out there and making themselves heard.

Let me point out a few things.

You have the premise that the country is in decline. I disagree.

You said that some are saying not to question the goverment. Where? People are questioning it all the time and thats a good thing. Don't mistake support for policy as opposing others questioning it. This can turn into a nice circular arguement as well. The people doing the questioning shouldn't try and stop the people questioning them ;)

You may be tired of the two party system and I may be tired of it as well. That does not make it a bad thing. The biggest problem with another party taking hold is that they are to narrowly focused. They'll have their issue and thats all they care about. Take the taxpayers party for instance. Their platform is a strong one on tax policy. They really have their shit together. If thats all someones cares about, they are the party to look into. However, they don't have more then a passing interest in national defense, immigration and a hundred other topics. The parties with the broadest standing on issues will have the broadest support - and the broadest detractors.

I have no idea what you're talking about with 'dirty hippie college rejects'. The influence of any group is actually pretty small save one. The elderly. Until people put the effort into going to the ballot box the elections will turn on who sucks up to the elderly vote. If you're also astute you will also realize that there are three voting blocks for the elderly. All of them want their social security left alone, but there are a large number of 'young' old people who don't require it. There are an older group that does. And theirs the last group, the really dang old that is like the 20 yr olds in the country. They don't vote.

There is no middle ground. Its a falacy. There are just to many people with different opinions for someone to be middle ground for even a majority of them. Pick a hot topic like abortion. For those who say it's a woman's rights at all times and those who say its murder - there is no middle ground. Its not the people in the middle who make the noise. Its the people on either end. The ends will never agree, so everyone who considers themselves in the middle will forever be complaining about it.

You're right about the amount of energy spent in tearing down the 'other guy' but as the saying goes. Its always easier to destroy then to build. Taking the path of least resistence isn't going to change.













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Too narrowly focused is the problem I'm having with any of the other parties. How do you choose when you care about more than just one thing?

There is no middle ground. Its a falacy. There are just to many people with different opinions for someone to be middle ground for even a majority of them. .............
.....You're right about the amount of energy spent in tearing down the 'other guy' but as the saying goes. Its always easier to destroy then to build. Taking the path of least resistence isn't going to change.
You are the most logical thinker in this forum!! Well put!