b16a turbo???

anyone with a b16a turbo??

how much horses did you get out of it?

Ans how many pounds are you running?:alien:

a firend of mine made 314whp on(I forgot the boost)but it was around 12psi....on the dyno with 18" rims

What did they do to his internals to back that much pressure?
What turbo is he using? thanks!

stock internals...12psi is not that much. He's using the Drag3 SI kit....

I made a shitload of power on my B16A turbo. You don't need to build the motor until you hit around 350hp or so for a daily driver.

Just make sure you have ample fuel and spark, and good tuning. B16A turbo's are incredible.

Your B16 won't last very long if you push it over 9psi. Check out my site.

http://home.satx.rr.com/importvelocity/

Originally posted by SleeperCivic
Your B16 won't last very long if you push it over 9psi. Check out my site.

http://home.satx.rr.com/importvelocity/

ummm....where in your site? I'm curious as to why you say this....My buddy's car has been running strong for 1.5 years....

It's just general knowledge from enthusiasts to shop owners that the rods of the B16 aren't designed for that much pressure, either from turbo or S/C. Sooner or later, they're gonna give. Probably sooner than later.

Originally posted by SleeperCivic
It's just general knowledge from enthusiasts to shop owners that the rods of the B16 aren't designed for that much pressure, either from turbo or S/C. Sooner or later, they're gonna give. Probably sooner than later.

they musta had lemons....I've seen them run strong for years

Whatcha smokin'? It's not common knowledge that the B16A is a bad motor to turbo. It is common knowledge that the B16A is the best Honda motor to turbocharge. It has a near perfect rod:stroke ratio, and the internals are extremely strong, and can withstand years of punishment, make more than 350hp stock, and can kick the crap out of all other Honda motors.

You know what makes you think that it is a bad motor? I know the answer...it starts with a T, ends with a G, and has an UNIN in the middle. If you tune a motor wrong, it will die...even if it's fully built.

Originally posted by MatT3T4
Whatcha smokin'? It's not common knowledge that the B16A is a bad motor to turbo. It is common knowledge that the B16A is the best Honda motor to turbocharge. It has a near perfect rod:stroke ratio, and the internals are extremely strong, and can withstand years of punishment, make more than 350hp stock, and can kick the crap out of all other Honda motors.

You know what makes you think that it is a bad motor? I know the answer...it starts with a T, ends with a G, and has an UNIN in the middle. If you tune a motor wrong, it will die...even if it's fully built.

hahahah....rotflmao....

Never said the B16 is a bad motor. Just said it won't last long after 9psi. Thank you.

Originally posted by SleeperCivic
Never said the B16 is a bad motor. Just said it won't last long after 9psi. Thank you.

Have you ever turbocharged a B16A, sir? :confused: I happen to believe that you do not have any experience with this motor. Correct me if I am wrong. I ran a turbocharged B16A for 3 years. I built it after an injector o-ring broke, which was installer error...even after that, I ran it for another 7 months. I ran the car for about 20 months, daily driven, between 10-15psi.

9psi is an arbitrary number, and means different things from different turbochargers, therefore making it a pointless statement. A B16A can last just as long as ANY other motor, being driven daily well above 9psi. Trust me. I've done it...a lot...and so has every single other B16A I have ever seen, that was tuned correctly.

As I said before, you are being misled by improper tuning. If a shop told you, or someone else that the B16A blew because it was boosted more than 9psi, I would be willing to bet that, that was the shop that tuned the motor, and they fucked it up, and that is their cover. The B16A can last for years above 9psi...it's no secret. Please don't spread false rumors about this motor to prospective enthusiasts. The B16A is the best Honda motor to turbocharge, bar none. I don't mean to be jumpy against you, I just want you to understand that tuning is KEY, and that the B16A motor can last eons above and beyong 9psi.

Well, it's obvious you have more experience than me on the B16. I've been going from what I've been told. But, I just can learn from my own personal experiences. Most everyone I've talked to (on this post) will not go above 9psi before they upgrade the stock internals. That's what I've heard from a lot of people. Just to verify, my 99 Civic EX SOHC IS a B16, right?

I have tons upon tons of experience with the B16A, along with other Honda motors. Your motor is not a B16A, yours is a D16(something). The B16A first appeared in Japan in 1988 or 1989, in the EF chassis CRX's and Civic's. The B16A is the DOHC VTEC motor. It made its way to America in the DelSol DOHC VTEC models, and in the 99-00 Civic Si.

You have a D-series SOHC motor. The SOHC motors can handle some boost, contrary to what some believe. I used to have a D16Z6 (1995 Civic EX) SOHC VTEC with the GReddy kit on it. I pushed 14.7psi out of that fucker...had it running low 13's with the stock internals (except a GReddy 2mm head gasket). Trust me man, Honda motors aren't weak...it's just the poor tuning that kills them.

I never thought they were weak, but I suppose I've been mislead by the local shops about how much boost is safe. I think it would be very informative if you would make your own post about your experiences on boost levels according to the different engine types. Thanks for your info. You've helped me a lot. If more posters would do as you have (constructive criticism), much more information would be absorbed. Thanks again.

Rock on!! Let me know if you have any exp with boosting stock b18b's...

Would appreciate any info or direction. Thanks :smoker:

With the D-series motors, you can make around 230-250hp with the stock internals. Once you reach that range, the stock rods, and the cylinder sleeves become an issue. If you have a good fuel and ignition setup, and your a:f ratio is properly dialed in, then you can make those 14.7psi quarter mile blasts, but I wouldn't recommend doing any kind of prolonged boost at that level. I blew my SOHC motor doing 145mph on 11psi or 12psi, for a few miles...lol. I spun a rod bearing. You can make 13 second passes on D-series motors with stock internals.

As for the B18B...great motor. Now, the B18B has the low compression which allows for a larger window of error when tuning...which is why a lot of daily drivers like it. It is a very strong motor, and with fuel and ignition upgrades, along with great tuning, I have seen people making 380hp @ 20psi.

Check out my website, www.matt3t4.20m.com and go to the Specnicalities link. You will see a huge page that I made regarding turbocharging Hondas.

The key to making a good, powerful, reliable Honda motor is tuning. You need ample fuel and ignition, and you make them work together with the tuning. Once you get your air:fuel ratio correct, and the motor dialed in, your have properly tuned your car, and the only thing you have to worry about is prolonged boost. By that, I mean...don't get on 20psi, and do a 10 minute freeway race. Get on 15psi, smoke the Porsche, and then go back to your normal, unassuming 9psi...and laugh at the guy in the $120,000 car that just got reamed by a Civic...of all things...

Thanks for the info Mat...I havent directly heard that the b18b series was good for boosting, but from what I have researched I figured it was due to the low CR and strokeXbore. I will probobly give you a shout when I get ready to build it.
I am putting my ignition on this weekend...all MSD. Exhaust and fuel are next.

Thanks dude....

Sounds good man, MSD is the way to go.

Anyway, good luck. Peace

One quick question......any good sites with detailed instructions for turbo install? I understand the basic really well, but I need to prime myself for install.

Much thanks :smoker:

Ummm, I don't really know any sites with detailed instructions man, sorry. I have looked before also, but they're hard to come by. Visit www.hondalife.com and check out my turbo forum there (I moderate on that site)...there might be some information in there, and if not, I am sure someone there has it...

i got an electron blue 2000 si, not much done... apex n1 cat, aem cai, dcsports 4-1 headers, but my friends older brother...works at inline pro...car shop in VA, and he was one of the first to put a turbo on a b16a , back in the del sol days.... talked to him....had a t3 turbo on a b16a in a civic hatchback....says he got around 12-15 psi of boost...not bad i think~ burned me pretty bad =)

Originally posted by iroibeirt
i got an electron blue 2000 si, not much done... apex n1 cat, aem cai, dcsports 4-1 headers, but my friends older brother...works at inline pro...car shop in VA, and he was one of the first to put a turbo on a b16a , back in the del sol days.... talked to him....had a t3 turbo on a b16a in a civic hatchback....says he got around 12-15 psi of boost...not bad i think~ burned me pretty bad =)

Inline Pro is a good shop, and a good tuner. They market a head gasket that effectively drops compression to 9.0:1 (although I'd rather leave it stock)...but they are good tuners.

Originally posted by iroibeirt
i got an electron blue 2000 si, not much done... apex n1 cat, aem cai, dcsports 4-1 headers, but my friends older brother...works at inline pro...car shop in VA, and he was one of the first to put a turbo on a b16a , back in the del sol days.... talked to him....had a t3 turbo on a b16a in a civic hatchback....says he got around 12-15 psi of boost...not bad i think~ burned me pretty bad =)

that means you should know Karl...he went low 11's at near 130mph trap speeds with a totally stock GSR motor with the ILP headgasket....wait, all their cars do that....

i have A 1991 civic crx and i plan on dropping a B16A 2nd Generation in their and I plan on turboing it and im looking for info on if i need to drop compression, or do any modifications to the engine so i can get it the way i want too.