SBR/Kinetic FMIC install problems/questions...

I'm in the process of installing my sbr front mount. I, after about 20 minutes of cursing and bitching, managed to get the front bumper and headlights and all the other retarded shit off the front of the car. I removed all the stock IC piping and the stock IC. So, now I"m ready to install my nice rediculously HUGE front mount...

BUT... I can't figure out how the hell to run the piping. it doesn't make any sense. it came with no directions of any type. I managed to get the throttle body elbow on (thats a no brainer) and we have the intercooler itself mounted on the front of the car (lost my fog lights god damnit!) buuutt.. I'm stumped on the rest of the piping. the pipe with the BOV flange on it is about 2 feet long and straight. where the flying Fuck and I'm supposed to run that?? I have all the silicone elbows and stuff thats aren't labeled or numbered. I'm lost and pissed off. somebody please help me!! Kevin, you said you have this intercooler.. hell you helped design it! how the shit does it get plumbed? anybody know how or a place that shows? I'd appreciate it. I probably should have searched but I"m in a hurry. so help ... pretty please!

Well the UICP goes from the throttle body, probably south, then straight over to the FMIC?

thats the thing I can't figure out. The throttle body pipe went on just fine. But now I can't figure out what pipe goes next. well I can.. it's gotta be the one with the BOV flange. BUT, it's like 2 ft long and completely straight! where the hell am I supposed to run that?!?! I honestly haven't taken a WHOLE lot of time to figure it out.. because I was already too pissed off from trying to take everything apart.. and I was hungry as hell.. so here I am inside, stuffing my face, and trying to find out how to do this. any ideas? I don't suppose anyone has any pics of theirs? I looked on sbr, and kinetic motorsports. I also checked out kevins site. all of which, only had pics of how to mount it on the car itself. I already got that covered. I need the plumbing help. shit I"ll take any help at this point!

well I figured out how to mount the intercooler... I have to grind out a chunk of my friggin radiator support!!! WTF?!?! I will NEVER, EVER, EEEEVVVEEERRR recommend sbr for ANYTHING again. I've gotten two parts from them. and they both BLOW!! turbo took forever to get here and this intercooler is so fuckin gay!! I can't figure out the piping at all!! they gave me one 90 degree elbow and 2 15's. but the bov pipe needs one thats straight! and I can't figure out how to get it to run to my fuckin turbo!! I have parts laying everywhere. I have 6 million fuckin scres and I couldn't tell you where ANY of them go (got pissed off and threw something and they went everywhere) can ANYONE tell me how the fuck to do this? kevin.. I pray to god you didn't design this... can someone please tell me wtf I'm supposed to do. I highly doubt I"m gonna get this thing anywhere near installed tonight. which licks a bag!! I'm going to call sbr tomorrow if I can and see what they can tell me. If anyone can help me I'd appreciate it soooo much!!

If there is anyone in the PA area that thinks they can help and would be willing to make the trip, let me know. I would be more than happy to pay you for the trip and the work. nobody around here knows shit about turbo's. so I'm kinda screwed. somebody help.. .PLEASE! I'm losing my fuckin mind!

Ok so becasue you cant seem to be smart enough to look around and figure out short route piping Slowboy sucks. Dont think so. I will find a step by step procedure for you to put you parts on. Give me a minute. I have alsways wondered why people buy things they know nothing about. There is so much information on the net that it is not even funny. The piping you have doesnt suck. It is the shortest route that anyone makes. Alot of the big intercoolers route this way. If you dont want to cut your up thensedn that FMIC back and get a smaller one. You will have to cut the bumer support if I remember correctly.

MIchael



Here you go.

http://www.dsmtalk.com/showarticle.php?s=&threadid=52369

Cutting the rad support is a nesecity to run the shortest route piping possible.

Never say anything bad about a product if you dont know how to use it.

Do some research, RTFM, about the IC first then install it. Mabey you should have done that before you even bought it

first of all let me apologize for flipping out and talking shit on SBR. I was wiggin cause I wasn't ready for things to go like they had. I did research and ask many many questions about the intercooler. it came highly recommended so I figured I'd get it. I didn't realize exactly what it would take because I've seen many intercoolers in cars, and they were all plumbed a LOT differently. SO thats why I was a little freaked out when I couldn't figure it out. I shouldn't have talked shit like that. I did have a very bad experience with them, but thats just me.

Anyway, about the install, I grinded out and cut away enough of the rad support to get the IC to line up (didn't bolt it on yet) I was wondering where you relocate the coolant tank to? ( since the pipe off the IC goes in right where that would be) any ideas? also, the pipes seem too long with the elbows. everything just doesn't line up. it seems like it's all too big. Granted I haven't gotten any of it IN the car, I"m still trying to figure out how things are going to fit in there. it's kinda worrying me. I'm paranoid I know. but my car is in pieces, and I have no idea when I'm gonna be able to get it back together. so I'm in a bind. if anyone can help me out I"d appreciate it. Thanks.

Again, sorry for goin off, I was pissed. I did research it, but had no luck. it was a waste of about 3 hours. cause I"m still clueless.

Here you go.

http://www.dsmtalk.com/showarticle.php?s=&threadid=52369




Here is the detailed write up with pics pn how top do it. I posted this once already and you didnt seem to notice. I dont want to be rude, but quit fucking around and just put it in. You keep saying parts dont fit yet you havent installed then. This is a very conmmon sense install and if you cant figure it out then you are not ready for this mod or any mods IMO. You havent done enough research because if you had you would have know how to install it and how the pipping went. If after reading and doign "research" you still cant get it in then find someone local to help you, becasue we will never be able to write the entire install on this board.

Michael

PS. Put the over flow were ever you want. Its your car and your call.

More pics that show short route. Ten minutes of looking on a DSM sepcific site found all these. www.dsmtuners.com register and read everything you can.

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/product_image.php?imageid=166

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/product_image.php?imageid=168

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22919&stc=1

This one only has one side short the other is a bit longer but you can see how to run the passenger side.

http://people.clemson.edu/~nanthon/ic/images/DSCF0198.jpg

I had no problem installing mine. The prototype I got, the pipe lengths were all wrong, and I still amde it work, and then sent the changes to Kinetic. If they didnt implement them, you cant blame me ;) Mine works fine.

The last set of changes I sent them for a manual tranny car would have the piping run like this. TB elbow, to a straight coupler, to the BOV section, to a 45 coupler, to the FMIC outlet. The other side is self explanatory, but you will have a 90 degree coupler, not inluded in the kit, to the pipe with the 90 degree bend. On the end with the bend, you use the 90 degree coupler to make a u turn into the FMIC inlet. ALL modern FMIC kits are plumbed this way with minor variances. When kinetic sent me the first kit the major difference was the TB elbow came out parallel to the floor, and a 45 coupler connected it to the BOV section. The problem with this is that it didnt allow me to use my 3" intake, and I'd surely be screwed on my new 4" intake. Apparently they did that to clear the tranny on an auto car. I told them it was a waste of a bend and too much trouble for a 5 spd, better to offer 2 kits. They sent me the modified elbow, that pointed down at a 45 degree angle. With a straight coupler this worked PERFECTLY. The other changed I asked for was to legthen the lower pipe to reach the turbo outlet. It came out a little too long, so I cut mine to fit and gave the final measurement. I never got a reply after that, but I assume they added that change. Hell, I even had to weld on the BOV myself.

Having to cut the rad support is a minor issue, and it makes the install of this kit slightly more invovled than the super easy installing Victory Performance kit. Problem is the vicotry kit has an extra 2 feet of piping, and takes 6 months to ship. I would rather spend an extra hour on the install, to have a better kit for as long as you own the car. The SBR/Kinetic kit IS the best thing going for 2Gs, especially at the price they ask. VERY reasonable. 1g bushur kits were 1500 bucks back in the day....

Just take a deep breath, step back, and figure out how it all goes together. I have some installed pics on my home PC I can post up in the AM if I think of it. If you are going to need a coupler for the turbo outlet, best order it now. If you need some help with that, let me know what you are runnign for a turbo, what the outlet cofiguration is, etc and I can tell you what you need, and your options for getting it. If you absolutely need to get the car running I can recomend a fernco coupler from home depot that will work, but you HAVE to keep the boost down until the real coupler comes in. But it will get to work/school and back. This part is NOT included in FMIC kits, becuase there are so many different configurations they dont know which one you'll need. I'll talk to mike and have him add this to the site if its not mentioned there.

Jsut went to SBRs site, looks like they picture the original TB elbow, not the one I specified. I'll ask mike about that too. They do ask what BOV you need to get the right flange, but they dont mention the turbo outlet coupler requirement. I'll get with Mike on this. They probably even stock the coupler you need....

I did look at that. it was helpful, but the IC is completely different so it wasn't the cure. thanks for what you did find. I appreciate your help. You're right, I probably should not have tried to do this myself. I will quit bitching. I did calm down and figure out how everything went and I will be able to get it all in tomorrow night. if not I know who can help me with it. Sorry to bother you and make myself sound like an ass. I've got it under control. should anyone have more info.. feel free to post.

I have looked at the slowboy FMIC and it is very much the same. None of them are exact but they ar all generaly the same.

Michael

thanks for the help guys. the pics and stuff helped a lot. I went back out and looked at it one more time now that I calmed down and removed my head from my ass. I think I just need to push the pipes down into the couplers more and that should help. the pic you posted of the one with one inlet on the left side is exactly what mine looks like. I have it all ground out, and bolted on now. I just needed to chill and think. sorry I didn't do that before posting. I may have to cut a little off the one pipe to make it fit better but thats about it. any suggestions on where to mound the overflow? I was thinkin about just moving it closer to the fan for the radiator. anything wrong with this?

I'll have to get on that site you mentioned. I never looked on there. I was doin a google search and wan't having much luck. thanks for the help micheal. I appreciate it man!

Oh, yeah, the overflow. I just wedged it in between the UICP and battery/shock tower. Stays well enough to pass NED tech. Now that I tossed the battery in the trunk, I'll mount it permanently. Any FMIC that runs the super short route piping will displace the overflow. Have to get creative :)

I know as well as anyone that working on mods like a FMIC can be extremely aggrevating. You jsut have ot plan for more time than you "think" it will take, and be patient. With an average set of tools you can do a lot if you get creative. I have enough tools (air powered, mig welder, etc) that I know I can MAKE it work, one way or another. Dont be afraid to get creative, you dont have to install it 100% the way it was intended to be installed. Just think everyting through and be sure there are no downsides to doing it a certain way. I understand your frustration, and thats why I didnt mind you jumping all over my case about the kit :D No need to apologize, but you have a good attitude about it. I have no doubt that you'll get it all together in short order. Good luck :)