Pic Link

Originally posted by hermunn123
the above F1 GTR(05R) participated in the '95 24 Hours of LeMans. it got 13th place and finished 266 laps. it was driven by Jean-Luc Maury-Laribiere, Marc Sourd, and Herve Poulain. did ya know that?
NO,why?

i was just wondering....


i saw that car and pulled out my F1 book and looked it up. decided to enlighten you on some random facts.

Originally posted by hermunn123
i was just wondering....


i saw that car and pulled out my F1 book and looked it up. decided to enlighten you on some random facts.
Very Good its interest, this car gained the race?

Before,i dont view this color in this Model

That looks like the mclaren on need for speed high stakes, very nice!

Originally posted by snowboarder
That looks like the mclaren on need for speed high stakes, very nice!
This is Roadcar,GT,other?

http://tahirhashmi.scriptmania.com/Pictures/McLaren/McLarenF1Top.jpg
http://tahirhashmi.scriptmania.com/Pictures/McLaren/McLarenGTR.jpg
http://tahirhashmi.scriptmania.com/Pictures/McLaren/McLarenGTRF3Q.jpg
http://tahirhashmi.scriptmania.com/Pictures/McLaren/McLarenLeMans.jpg

Originally posted by a007apl

This is Roadcar,GT,other?

to me it looks like a normal F1 with an LM wing.

Originally posted by hermunn123


to me it looks like a normal F1 with an LM wing.
TKX,First Model of this Fusion is my "Pic-Link".:D ,now,others more?!?

http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/96/67/31989667mTPwZkXfOj_ph.jpg
http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/97/50/31989750VXwnhefxNk_ph.jpg
http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/97/54/31989754vIuYFPWlcz_ph.jpg
http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/97/56/31989756kTRjGzGoeg_ph.jpgps.:look the Garage

http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/97/57/31989757ORDnvlXgtE_ph.jpg
http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/8/97/58/31989758TrQeDmrCUg_ph.jpg

that one is too long to be a normal F1, its a GTR converted to a roadcar. the rest of the pics are all just red x's

have a look here:

http://www.highresautoimages.com/mclaren/f1.html

For those with further interest, the orange car in the pictures in the above website link is currently for sale.

Please PM for further details.

Not sure if these are real or not, Judge for yourself:

http://www.mclaren.f1fans.net/Flash_entrance/Mclaren_pics/Gallery_4/mclaren_f1_17.gif

http://www.mclaren.f1fans.net/Flash_entrance/Mclaren_pics/Gallery_5/mclaren_f1_36.gif

Snowboarder, I love that die-cast Enzo Ferrari. :) Where'd you get that? (I collect nice die-cast cars since that's the closest I'll ever get to the real things.)

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN
Snowboarder, I love that die-cast Enzo Ferrari. :) Where'd you get that? (I collect nice die-cast cars since that's the closest I'll ever get to the real things.) exoticar (www.exoticar.com)

Originally posted by XOTech
007,

I know you are quite good at finding pictures. Have you ever seen a picture of a yellow McLaren F1 roadcar? To be clear, I am looking for a yellow car and not the orange McLaren F1 LM and not the 1995 LeMans McLaren GTR car that is yellow.

I am aware that only 2 original yellow cars were built. Some may have been repainted. I have looked at great lengths to find a picture or two without success.

If anyone has information, it would be greatly appreciated.
it is

I love the McLaren...do you have a site with all your pictures? Or, could you please mail them to me? I would love to see themv all/use them as a screensaver.

Many thanks,
Faisal.

Originally posted by faisalkhan
I love the McLaren...do you have a site with all your pictures? Or, could you please mail them to me? I would love to see themv all/use them as a screensaver.

Many thanks,
Faisal.
i use Site Search (www.ubbi.com)to found photos of my arquives

cool

Meleka,

Yet another great picture of one of the two Yellow McLarens.

Thanks for posting.

It's the first time i see a McLaren with such rims !

www.motorcities.com/contents/02K7L505909212.html

XOTech, I live in Houston and was curious if you know how many if any McLarens currently reside in Texas. With as many lamborghini's and ferrari's i have seen here, I know my day will come to see one and snap as many photos as I possibly can. I don't know if you know this or not, but would just like to know so I can keep a more watchful eye out for one. Thanks.

Originally posted by jkbon
It's the first time i see a McLaren with such rims !

www.motorcities.com/contents/02K7L505909212.html

Notice the semi-racing tires he has on the back too. I wonder what he has planned!!! :flash:

The wheels on the orange McLaren were installed specifically for the SEMA show. The car was used in cooperation with the Hummer to showcase some of the products by a particular manufacturer. As it were the company also sells wheels. This is the same car that has been spotted in the Pheonix area several times. It was also at the Concorso Italiano and Pebble Beach last year in August. I know the car quite well. It was on the cover of Road & Track just a couple of months ago as well. It is also for sale. Of course, the original wheels will accompany the car.

Texas,
To my current knowledge, there are two McLarens in the Texas area with a third soon to join the ranks. I believe that only one of them is in the Houston area, but the others may visit from time to time.

It's the prototype, i think, because the photos was taken in 1993 in France.

http://www.chez.com/titi78/photos/salon_sports_meca93/mclaren_f1_01.jpg


http://www.chez.com/titi78/photos/salon_sports_meca93/mclaren_f1_02.jpg


Which color is it exactly ? Orange, burgundy ?

Thanks for your reply XOTech. I will definately have to keep a closer eye out now when I'm home visiting my parents. If theres one in the area theres only a matter of time before i see it. I will now have my camera ready at all times just in case. Thanks again!

Originally posted by meleka

it is

that mclaren in that picture is for sdale, or was, its at/ was at www.qv500.com/

one more thing, heres another yellow mclare picture that i have on my computer. this picture, is taken of the yellow mclaren, is the offical mclaren that is constantly kept on mclaren front entrance etc etc etc , you get my drift. i also believe, it was also one of the first to be produced, but im not sure so dont quote me on that one.

again

jkbon,
I could not get the links you posted to work properly. Try to repost them and I will take a look and be able to comment on the car.

eb110,
As for the Yellow car, there were only two original yellow cars produced. One was a 1994 (late that year) and the other was a late 1996 car.

FRANCE, 1993


http://membres.lycos.fr/tnyssen/mclaren_f1_01.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/tnyssen/mclaren_f1_02.jpg

http://a4.cpimg.com/image/34/BF/16385844-c7f0-02170159-.jpg

In regards to this photo of the Yellow F1 that appears to be a prototype, there is a story I have heard that XP2 was once painted Yellow for a customer who couldn't decide between Yellow or Silver. It's quite possible that it is XP2, though I'm not sure that it was ever publicly displayed, especially in that color. Also, at the MIRA crash test XP2's front end didn't have the fog lights that are seen in this photo and did have a makeshift front turn signal that is not seen in this photo.

The same story is told here, though it is in Portuguese so you'll probably need a translator:

http://www.uol.com.br/bestcars/colunas/estrada-117.htm

You can try this link which should work for translation or simply go to Google's Language page and enter the above URL.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uol.com.br%2Fbestcars %2Fcolunas%2Festrada-117.htm&langpair=pt%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

It's still a little rough after translation so maybe there's someone here that can do a better job or I'll try asking at another site.

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I'm actually more inclined to believe that it's the Clinic Model - though like XOTech, I have never heard that car being painted any other color than Silver or Burgundy. The reason I suspect that it's the Clinic Model is that it has those eyebrow lines on the bodywork just above the headlights and is without the front turn indicators as I previously mentioned. Besides the Clinic Model, the only other F1 I have seen with those characteristics was XP1. One difference from XP1 - but similarity with the Clinic Model is that the bottom portion of the outside headlamp is cut off at the bottom by the 'floor' of the headlamp housing. To my knowledge, XP1 was never painted and as most of you probably know it was destroyed in a fire that followed a severe crash in the Nambian desert while undergoing hot weather testing by BMW test driver Roman Scherer.

It would be interesting if someone knew where and when this photo was taken as it might help in determining which car that really is. It's possible that the person who told the story of XP2 being painted Yellow was mistaken and really meant to refer to the Clinic Model - I can't be positive on that. I do not believe it to be a production car at all though.

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XOTech - In response to this:

As far as other orange cars, there of course, were the 5 LMs, the last car #075 (Yquem), and now this car that was silver. Aside from those, there has been another car that was a GTR that was white that has been converted to European road use. It has been made to look like an LM and is the LM orange color. Those are the only orange cars I am aware of.

Chassis #071 was an F1 road car - the 61st built - and was finished in Historic Orange. Chapter 17 of "Driving Ambition" details the production process of #71 with photos of this car from start to finish of assembly at Genesis beginning on page #188. I have a small suspicion that this may have been the car that was purchased by Micromuse CEO, Christopher Dawes though as I once read that his car was Orange. I know that the car that he died in was not his own, but I recall you saying once that the location of the car that he owned was in question and that it may have been seized by the government in light of his drug trial.

Also, maybe you can address this as well. There are numerous conflicting stories on the paint color of the 5 LMs. Initially, and several times since I have read that they were all to be finished in Historic "Paypaya" Orange, as that is McLaren's traditional racing color. However, several other sources including "Driving Ambition - The Official Inside Story..." list only three of the 5 LMs as being finished in Historic Orange and state that the other two (LM01 & LM04) were painted "Black + Graphics". Do you have any information that could settle this great debate, or could you find this out through your contacts when you have the opportunity??

One final note at the end of this incredibly long post, is that I know of at least two GTRs that have undergone their road going transformation and come out looking like LM's being painted Historic Orange. In fact there is even a series of photos where both cars appear together at the factory undergoing servicing. Incidentally, I'm not correcting you so much as just letting you know. With all the changes that each new customer likes to make to their McLaren it becomes difficult to keep track of them. I do consider it disappointing that they would refinish a GTR to look almost exactly like an F1 LM. The LMs uniqueness, in my opinion, should have been ensured much like the uniqueness of the last road car's color was in the situation you described regarding Dan Kennedy's McLaren.

Oh yeah - and do you know the production number of Dan's F1. I was going to send him an email through his site - www.mclarenforsale.com - but I'm not a "serious principal" when it comes to purchasing so I didn't really want to bother him. By your own account that his car was originally silver, that gives us #001, #006, #009, #010, #012, #013, #033, #037, #038, #040, #042, #044, #045 & finally #050 as possibilities to choose from :D being built prior to 1996. If you don't know, you could just pick any one. ;)

>8^)
ER

Oh yeah - as if I haven't said enough already - here's the three shots of the Yellow F1 that was for sale on the QV500.com website.

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#2

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...and finally #3.

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nice pics

Peloton,

Here is my evaluation to the best I can determine.

The yellow car in question is none other than the Clinic car. My studies have determined only one difference. You will note the yellow car pictured at a car show of sorts shares the following similarities with the Clinic car...

Driving Lights
The very early non-rubber strip mounted Bumper
(the version including the Driving Lights)
Black Fender Stripe
(actually the Idling Air Exit Vent used with the front Suction concept)
The vent is painted black and looks more like a stripe than a vent.
It is truely a vent.
No front Turn Signals

The only difference from the Clinic Car is the adaption of the Low Mirrors as opposed to the High Mirrors used on the Clinic Car. It would be my estimation that McLaren Cars chose to repaint the car for the third time (1: Silver 2: Burgundy 3:Yellow). In doing so, they took that opportunity to remove the High Mirrors as a result of not passing requirements in certain countries with the High Mirrors. To eliminate too much interest from incoming buyers, I would suggest that they essentially "hid" the high mirrors in the "Concept Car only" addage.

The reason that this car is not XP2 as was suggested in the Portuguese article is as follows..

XP1 was the most like the Clinic Car. It had the Driving Lights (although removed for the testing in the Nambian desert before the crash), the early front Bumper and NO turn signals. However, XP1 DID have the Idling Air Exit Vent (although void of the accompanying Suction System). The system, as you all well know, was deemed too complicated and expensive compared to value added so it was eliminated from further production. XP1 also had Low Mirrors. We also know that XP1 was lost before ever being painted at all. It was tested in raw carbon (with the exception of a protective clear coat). Quite attractive in my opinion. So with the highest degree of similarity to the Clinic Car, it was never painted so clearly the yellow car is not XP1

XP2 was used for the "Roll-over" test (set on its top and observe egress/exit sinerios) and then given to BMW for engine evaluation. It is unknown how long BMW had XP2 for their use or if any pictures were taken and made public over the years. Once XP2 was returned from BMW, it was prepped for the crash testing at MIRA in the summer of 1993. XP2 had the Driving Lights (also removed for the MIRA crash test), Low Mirrors, DID have the Idling Air Exit Vent (although also void of the accompanying Suction System), and the early front Bumper, but DID have turn signals. They are different than the final production version, but the cutouts were the same as that used for the newer style as noted on XP3. Also noted, is the first indication of the small oval in the very center of the front nose. This oval was a removable, clip in panel that would provide access to afix the license plate bracket. It is unknown whether XP2 was ever painted anything other than the exposed carbon fiber (essentially clear) and later the MIRA test Flat Blue with a flat white base coat. The addition of the turn signal cutouts and the small oval panel in the nose are the only indications that determines the yellow car is clearly not XP2.

XP3 was used for excessive track testing at MIRA. It did have Driving Lights, the early nose, Low Mirrors, but the Idling Air Exit Vents have completely and finally disappeared. Also the turn signals are more closely styled to final production. Without further detail, XP3 is clearly not the yellow car.

XP4 and XP5 both continue with the cutout turn signals and other details closer and closer to final production.

Suffice to say, the yellow car is the Clinic car repainted and with refitted Low Mirrors. By the careful study of the picture, I see the sign that is written in English and may be in a museum somewhere in the U.S. or even England. It is hard to say. Unless there is someone that knows more information about the picture, I expect that is the extent of what we will ever know.

Very good observations Peloton.

As for Orange cars...
Without referring to my foldout McLaren production poster, I neglected to include the Historic Orange #071. I am not able to confirm whether Dawes did buy this very car, but it does hold with what I have heard as well.
There was #075 (very last car made) Yquem.

There is also #016 called Aubergine (I have no idea what color this is).

#017 was Clypso Red Pearl (I have no idea what this color looked like).

Other original orange cars were the LMs, but as you I see that two cars were listed as Black with graphics. I am uncertain as to the meaning of this and cannot confirm whether all 5 were orange or not. I would expect they are not all orange as we have been led to believe. Also, with the advent of many owners returning their cars to the factory to be retrofitted as "LM's", it is even harder to tell without a cross check with the serial number listing. I have seen a black, a charcoal, a silver, an electric blue, and other orange LM look-alikes.
As mentioned, there is the repainted Orange car (previously silver) in the Arizona area (I have been asked not to disclose the Chassis # on this car. I can say that is not #001, or #009).
There was a GTR that was white and repainted orange and converted to European road use (LM look-alike).
And finally, I also found a longtail GTR that was repainted orange and converted for European road use.

Once again a overly large post, but hopefully worth the effort. I have definitely spent some time reviewing what I knew and checking all the details for certain. Thank you Peloton for pointing out some details I had forgotten and I hope I was able to bring a few others to light.

Undoubtedly, there will be items of mystery about the McLaren that will never be solved. Such is the intrigue that we have come to love about the car.

this is a dark burgundy or purple colour. the brits refer to eggplants as aubergines.

Greetings McLaren fans!

I have been reading this thread all day with great interest. Chassis #007 sits here in our showroom with some other BMW-related parts. My personal McLaren interest has quadrupled since its new owner purchased it two years ago.

Here are is a link to pictures of Chassis #007: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/project_mclaren.shtml

In addition I will include this interesting link on this particular car and the owner (a magazine article done in the BMW Car Club's Roundel magazine): http://www.bmwcca.org/Roundel/2002/11/Article_1.shtml

Thanks to everyone who posted. I am now a smarter McLaren caretaker. Also, if anyone is in the Boston area feel free to stop by.

I thought that particular car was just in for serivce? Is Turner Motorsport the exclusive serivce provider for the car (you) or do they actually own it?

BTW, do you work for Turner? It's an awesome place, I was looking at some BMW stuff on your site a LONG time ago, and I came across #007.

TMS does more than the service. The owner of this car is a customer of TMS (we built an M3 racecar for him) and also a driver on our World Challenge Touring Car team (BMW 325i). The car is used quite regularly by TMS and its owner - often taken to our races and SCCA and BMW CCA events in the Northeast.

Currently, the car is in winter storage in our showroom (along with a very low mileage 1990 M3).

We have done quite a bit of the smaller maintenace on the car. The major work is handled by a McLaren Service Center in New Jersey.

More pictures:

Shifter/Build Plaque/Gordon Murray signature.

I have a question for XOTech. Do you know how many of the cars came signed by Gordon Murray? I had heard that the first 13 cars or so were signed inside by the car's creator.

And one more of the front (with Will Turner behind the wheel).

drewwtms,

My indication also suggests that only 13 cars were originally hand-signed by Gordon Murray in the way shown on #007. I am aware of at least 2 other car owners that have returned a component to Gordon for his signature.

I don't suppose you have pictures of his other car as well, the LM.

I did have some pictures at one point of the car in England somewhere. Alas, a cleanup of our picture storage has either erased them or banished them to a far off place. I will surely put pictures up when I see the car.

Drew - thanks so much for sharing the info and photos on Frank's McLaren F1. I added the pictures to the nearly 90 that I already had of his car.

Before that Roundel article came out I actually had a conversation with someone at another forum who stated that the #007 car probably belonged to Will Turner since it was covered in the TMS stickers. Then someone else argued that it was another man who owned the car and was certainly not Will, but he didn't know the name. I did a little more digging and came up with Frank's name, but the original guy said there was no way that Frank could afford the F1 seeing as how he had to lease his M3 race car from you guys. I guess he found logic in that scenario. :D

With the F1's there's so many rumors that circulate the web it's hard to know what to believe. I was happy to see that I had been right when the article was printed.

Thanks also for the invitation to come and visit - I really wish I was closer as I would most certainly take you up on that.

A couple of things:

Can you confirm whether Frank owns two or three McLaren's. I know that the Roundel article you linked us to mentions just the two cars, but I have also heard that he owns a '97-spec F1 GTR long tail as well as an LM, making for a total of three. What of that is true? And if it's only two cars, is the other one really one of the 5 true F1 LM's or is it a long tail GTR or is it neither of those? I'm assuming based on XO-Tech's question that it is indeed an LM but the article claims that his other car was one of the last cars produced in 1997 while all of the F1 LM's were built in 1996.

Second related question - Is Frank still working on trying to bring this 2nd (and 3rd if true) F1 to the US? I understand the laws and regulations that are keeping it out, but XO-Tech seems convinced that someone will find a way to properly certify 1996 and later F1's in the US someday. It would be cool to know if Frank is working on being the first to do so especially since he already has a strong reason to being that he owns one.

Lastly, if Frank's other car is truly one of the LM's, would you have any way of knowing if it's the car in these three photos??

http://a3.cpimg.com/image/D7/E5/8943063-a37c-02800168-.jpg

http://a0.cpimg.com/image/D4/E5/8943060-35e3-028001E0-.jpg

http://a2.cpimg.com/image/D6/E5/8943062-033f-028001E0-.jpg

Thanks in advance for any more info you can provide.

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ER

I haven't got patience enough to read all 8 pages, so don't bitch if some have already been posted:
f1 (http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~anchsa/mclarenpics.htm)
f1 2 (http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/exoticarsparadise/picsofmclarenf1.htm)

Wow, there are some pretty well-informed people here! I'm both happy and a little scared that there is so much "free" information out there. I am certainly glad that I found a forum with similarly informed persons.

Here we go:

Frank does have more than one McLaren. The black one is #007 and is a 1994 model. The LM in the pictures is a genuine LM and is owned by Frank. I am very surprised that you have those pictures as I did not think they were on the web anywhere. I have not heard of anything new regarding the third McLaren. I believe the Roundel story got the LM and another model mixed up. He does not own a 1997 F1 GTR long-tail.

Bringing the LM to the US is being looked at. Frank is the man to do it if the decision is finalized. I think Frank is exactly the customer that McLaren had in mind when they designed the car. The LM is the ultimate rendition of their philosophy. It would be a shame to have the LM and not be able to use it your own country.

I am more than a little surprised at the level of information that is out there. I wish I knew more about Frank's McLarens. However, my focus at Turner Motorsport is more on the BMW side of the business. My contact with Frank is not regular so I do not wish to speak for him or for TMS. Perhaps if I talk with him more I can pass on better information.

Thanks for posting those pictures. It will be nice to have them again.

Drew - Check your email :cool:

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ER

http://www.passion-auto.com/HTML/start.htm then "Nos Photos" and ... Mclaren

these guys just wait next to a french highway to photograph incredible and exceptional vehicles ...