EVO 16g reviews

who is running an EVO 16g in here? and on what trim? and how do you like it? [feel free to elaborate :)] and if any solid performance reviews that you know of are out there point me in the right direction ;)

i guess i'll eat some wuu-u-urms...

i'd post but my turbo isnt exactly the Evo 16g sorry...:p

Dont know too much about them... But heres some people with opinions...

DSM parts review page (http://www.dsmreviews.com/dsmreviews.php3?category=11000#EvoIIIBig16gTurbo)

who is running an EVO 16g in here? and on what trim? and how do you like it? [feel free to elaborate :)] and if any solid performance reviews that you know of are out there point me in the right direction ;)


The EVO 16G doesnt have trim options. My buddy has one on a 92 GSX and he loves it. He hasnt be able to max it out he stil has the stock injectors but so far he is happy.

Michael

With the evo16g whats the max boost you can put on it with stock injectors, smic, fuel system....14-16?

Properly supported the EVO16g will run over 25 psi. A 14b will do 25 psi. A local club member was flowing 44 lbs/min on his EVO16g, which is nearly 20g territory. I dont have one, but I do not hesitate to endorse the turbo. And for 535-570 shipped, its a fantastic option for many people that dont want to go huge. Add a FMIC and better than average tuning/driving, and you have 11 secnd potential. Which is to be expected, sicne both the small and big 16g have done mid 11s. This turbo should do it with more finesse though, and less abuse.

thanks for the info! i was thinking it has been enough time to get some good feedback on this snail.

and was 44lbs/min with a MAFt or VPC setup?

Properly supported the EVO16g will run over 25 psi. A 14b will do 25 psi. A local club member was flowing 44 lbs/min on his EVO16g, which is nearly 20g territory. I dont have one, but I do not hesitate to endorse the turbo. And for 535-570 shipped, its a fantastic option for many people that dont want to go huge. Add a FMIC and better than average tuning/driving, and you have 11 secnd potential. Which is to be expected, sicne both the small and big 16g have done mid 11s. This turbo should do it with more finesse though, and less abuse.

Some of this may be true but it is not the best thing to do at all. I could run 30 lbs on a T25 but it doesnt mean I should do it. 25 lbs on a 14B is WAY out of its efficiency range and its just blowing super hot air. I think 22 is the max I would run on an EVO 16G and that would be with high octane and will defiatly need a frountmount to keep that heat under control. Plus running a turbo this hard will make its life shorter. If you want 20G flow numbers then why not get a 20G forcing a smaller turbo to do the work of a larger one is asking for trouble IMO.

Michael

I agree with Michael, its not how much you can run but what you can run efficiently. If yoiu have the proper intercooler setup you can run higher boost more efficiently. I have the evoIII16g on my 98 GST and it is very efficient with the Greddy 24 core intercooler, after running it at 21lbs i emedietaly stoped and felt the UICP and it was cold showing that i was running cool and efficient airflow. Im gonna turn up the boost a little more and see how it does, just got to watch for detonation.

25 lbs on a 14B is WAY out of its efficiency range and its just blowing super hot air. I think 22 is the max I would run on an EVO 16G and that would be with high octane and will defiatly need a frountmount to keep that heat under control.

Sounds a little pussy to me. 95 GSXracer wasn't born yesterday; he knows about efficiency and all that you discredit him for.

You tune for power, not efficiency. Nobody gets to 400whp by stopping at 22psi because they don't want to go to the next efficiency ring (compressor map). We have made the trade-off reliability for power, so I'm not about to go half-ass on a turbo that's capable of making more power. Not that 26psi on a 16g is unsafe/unreliable/unheard of.

:werd:..........

I'm running the EvoIII 16g. Not too full capacity right now, as I"m still breaking it in. I ported it out, along with the wastegate area to help with boost creep and suck every ounce of boost out of the turbo I could. I plan to boost 26 psi. I am running 680 cc injectors and a 190 pump. plus I have 3" turbo back apex'i. so I think I can support it just fine. I'm lookin for damn near 400 hp and a mid-low 12 second pass. I think it's possible.

the evo on 13 psi is already fun as hell for me. I can't wait to take this bad boy to 26 psi. it'll be an orgasm on wheels!! WOOHOO!!

Sounds a little pussy to me. 95 GSXracer wasn't born yesterday; he knows about efficiency and all that you discredit him for.

You tune for power, not efficiency. Nobody gets to 400whp by stopping at 22psi because they don't want to go to the next efficiency ring (compressor map). We have made the trade-off reliability for power, so I'm not about to go half-ass on a turbo that's capable of making more power. Not that 26psi on a 16g is unsafe/unreliable/unheard of.


Really smelled more like common sense from here. Like I said in my first post just becasue you can doesnt mean you should. Would I run that at the track here and there on race gas??? Sure. On the street would I?? No. I never once doubted 95GSX or his car I just gave my opinion. I bet a reading comprehension class would cure that right up for you. Like I also said in my post I dont see the use in running a turbo that hard when you can step up to the next size ( say 20G) and do the same reliably. I dont think anyone on this board is going for records just nice reliable peroformance.

MIchael

Would I run that at the track here and there on race gas??? Sure. On the street would I?? No.
Where did I mention running high boost 24/7 on the street? 95 GSXracer said 'will run over 25psi'. When you say "I would only run 22psi MAX" it means at the track, on race gas, etc... to me. That said, I just commented that 22psi is low, like what a schoolgirl would run.
I bet a reading comprehension class would cure that right up for you.
We'll take that class together, MIchael, because I never said to run 22+ on the street.
I dont see the use in running a turbo that hard when you can step up to the next size ( say 20G) and do the same reliably.
Not everyone is a baller. Who goes to the track and expects reliability? If someone wants a reliable car, like what my grandma drives, they won't be seen pushing their car to the limit on the track.

I dont think anyone on this board is going for records just nice reliable peroformance.


I am :iceslolan... looking for the world record for my car!!!

NAturally I would never suggest someone run a 14b on the street all day on pump gas. But if you want to be competitive you have to run high boost. Thats what race gas is for. When you get to my level you can run well over 25 psi on pump gas with no trouble daily. The question was how much boost with the turbo make, not how much can be run efficiently. Neither you nor I can answer that question, because there is no answer. Every car and setup varies, and only a datalogger will tell you how much boost you can get away with.

Lets look at a 14b, running as much boost as the bastard will hold. Typically 25 psi dropping as rpm rises, to 18 or less. The turbo is flat out maxxed out. Is it efficient? No. Does it matter? No. Leon Reitman did just this last saturday and his litle 14b that was way past its efficiency range ran 11.6 at 116 mph. ;) Efficiency isnt everything, and I dont believe it was part of the question that was asked. If it was, I appologize for misreading the thread. You are correct, you dont want to run that kind of boost all day on a turbo that small. But at the track on real gas there is no reason not to. I did say that it needs to be proeprly supported to do so. :)

To answer the other question, the 44 lbs/min was done on a stock airflow sensor. That person just ran 25 psi (spikes to 29 though) and ran 11.9 at 116. The turbo will do more than 25 psi, but go there with a datalogger, and at your own risk. :)

I saw 40 lbs on a small 16g on my car, at 25 psi, and it was worth a 12.02 at 115. I had only borrowed the turbo for a couple weeks though. I would have liked more time with it to get into the 11s.

Leon Reitman did just this last saturday and his litle 14b that was way past its efficiency range ran 11.6 at 116 mph. ;)

holy shit... thas all i got to say, i only wish my GST could run 11.6 right now with the 14b! well next week on goes the 20g so it doesnt matter anymore!


btw kevin, do you know what he has to support that 11.6, is it on the stock motor or is it built?

Where did I mention running high boost 24/7 on the street? 95 GSXracer said 'will run over 25psi'. When you say "I would only run 22psi MAX" it means at the track, on race gas, etc... to me. That said, I just commented that 22psi is low, like what a schoolgirl would run.

Well apparantly this is an internet name calling match. We both have different versions of what we would do. Thats the beauty of the internet, so many opinions and options. You obviously want to go as fast as possible with a smaller turbo and wring the piss out of it. You definitionof going to the track is beating the hell out of it becasue you are there to make some sort of a point. I go to get better at a particular thing: 60ft, MPH, etc.... I see alot of people going for records or trying to beat this and that when it is an attempt in futilty. There will always be someone faster or with a bigger better part so why try to keep up with the joness.


We'll take that class together, MIchael, because I never said to run 22+ on the street.

I never said you did all i did was point out what I would do. He was asking for some peoples info and that was mine.


Not everyone is a baller. Who goes to the track and expects reliability? If someone wants a reliable car, like what my grandma drives, they won't be seen pushing their car to the limit on the track.

You dont have to be a baller to go fast. If you know your goals and what it takes to obtain them then it is just a matter of time. You can get a 50 trim for 200 more than a 16G and go 11's fairly easy with out beating the snot out of the car. I only want to go mid to low 12's. I could easily do that with a 16G but why go through all that hassle with race gas and changing the tune all the back and forth all the time. I got a 20G and once I get the car back on the road a mid 12 should be pretty easy.


I guess until we fond out what the thread starter has, goal wise, then we will never know if any of this is helpful or not.

Michael



PS. My Grandma just bought a 300C and it went 13.8 bone stock.

holy shit... thas all i got to say, i only wish my GST could run 11.6 right now with the 14b! well next week on goes the 20g so it doesnt matter anymore!


btw kevin, do you know what he has to support that 11.6, is it on the stock motor or is it built?

THis is the same guy that set the 14b record many years ago at 12.05, again at 11.84, and reset it again last week at the 11.6. Phil beers beat it the first time, then some guys doing a low buck project FWD car ran around 11.7. So he went out and beat it again.

The car ran 10.7 at 135 the end of last year, to give you an idea of how welll it is supported. On a GT13. He ran 11.3 on a 20g 4-5 years ago. The point is this guy tends to do very well. ;) He is a fellow wiseman on tuners, I beleive the SN is GRNDSM. Here is a link to the tuners thread on the run, the 11.6 stuff is near the end. Here's page 8.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54331&page=8&pp=10&highlight=leon+14b

You can read his profile for the exact mod list.

thats awesome... thanks man!

The evo turbo seems like the best one I've seen so far unless you're shooting for 400+WHP

now this is what i'm talking about! great feedback on all ends...

as far as my goals are concerned, i want a great all around streetable turbo. 20g is pushing it as far as the streetable is concerned, for my needs. oh and it's a FWD and that is just way to much power for my taste on a FWD. now if i was directing most of my energy to make a 1320 killer it would be gravy. but most of my driving is going to be off the track, and i'm not sure if i'll ever make it to the track anyways. if i were it would be a totaly different setup, you get me? i want a car that satisfies me. :)

I think the EVO 16g is very well suited to your goals. And its cheap, and doesnt requrie as much support as a 20g might. Go for it :)

and it's wayyyyy cheaper than my OG plan of the 18g!!!

funny thing is about that is that the GReddy 18g is smog legal [means a lot here in So-Cali!] and that was a selling point. however, since my car is no where near smog legal anyways... LOL