B16B vs B18C

I see alot of people putting B16 engines in a Civic HB than a B18 engine. How come alot of people put a B16 into a HB other then the B18? Is it cheaper? more potential? what is it? personally I like the B18 engines... jux askin.. thanks

You don't see a lot of people putting B16B's in Civics over B18C's. Maybe B16A's, there's a huge difference. The B16B is a destroked B18C (ITR) (basically) from the CTR and pretty pricey. And there are several B18 engines, B18A/B from the LS's B17A1/B18C(1) from the GSRs, B18C(5) from the Type R. To compare you need to get more specific.

I think i know what he was asking. He didn't specify b18c or b18a or what have you. He just said B16 and B18. I think most civic hatches probably come with weak D series engines. Atleast the older ones. The reason they are putting B16's in their cars are because they are cheaper than a B18C and are faster than a B18A or B. That is probably whats going on.

There's more hype around the B16A than there should be but that's more than likely why a lot of Civic owners put the B16A in aside from it being one of the easier motor swaps. Everyone's led to believe it's the be-all-end-all of motors for a Civic and they make uninformed decisions. It's also the cheapest of the VTEC motors which is another reason. VTEC = better. That's the generalization. It's a great motor, it has a lot of potential, but a B18B will be comparable in speed for less money.

Another thing is that the B16a is the most readily available so it is cheaper (the whole supply and demand thing). Anyway if you're ever in palm springs make sure you ask about the dumbass girl who put a $10,000 crate spoon engine in a hb. Yeah and she still got smoked by the infamous green saturn.

There's more hype around the B16A than there should be but that's more than likely why a lot of Civic owners put the B16A in aside from it being one of the easier motor swaps. Everyone's led to believe it's the be-all-end-all of motors for a Civic and they make uninformed decisions. It's also the cheapest of the VTEC motors which is another reason. VTEC = better. That's the generalization. It's a great motor, it has a lot of potential, but a B18B will be comparable in speed for less money.
That's a pretty ignorant statement. First off, the B16A is a DAMN GOOD motor, and makes really good power for what it is, and is quite deserving of the "hype" it gets. Second, a B18B is not going to be as fast for the less, for the simple reason that they cost the same to begin with. B16A is hardly the cheapest of the vtec motors, maybe of the DOHC vtec motors. And it is the same to swap in a B16A as it is to swap in any B series motor, a wire difference here and there aside.

I would have to agree with jcrx on that one.

Is it because the B18 motors are heavier? I don't know, I kinda like the B18's more... but would the price be worth it? and I hear that the engine bay for a 93-95 Civic HB is better than the 96-00 Civic HB? Is that true. Thanks for all the info. too..

Anyway if you're ever in palm springs make sure you ask about the dumbass girl who put a $10,000 crate spoon engine in a hb. Yeah and she still got smoked by the infamous green saturn.

through ina spoon motor an beat by a saturn....so?Wuts ur point.Were they drag racing?Cuz if they were then of course the spoon motor is not gonna be on top.

The owner os spoon specifically tells his customers not to buy the motor if you are only going to us it for straight line racing.He specifically states that the motor is good for circuit or auto X racing only.It doesn't have super fast excelleration like other motors.

That's a pretty ignorant statement. First off, the B16A is a DAMN GOOD motor, and makes really good power for what it is, and is quite deserving of the "hype" it gets. Second, a B18B is not going to be as fast for the less, for the simple reason that they cost the same to begin with. B16A is hardly the cheapest of the vtec motors, maybe of the DOHC vtec motors. And it is the same to swap in a B16A as it is to swap in any B series motor, a wire difference here and there aside.

It's not ignorant at all, it's the truth. The B16A is way over hyped. Yes it can be a good motor but nothing an LS motor with a better geared transmision couldent take on. I have raced countless hatch's, crx's, coupe's with B16A's and they fall behind. I have even raced a B16B hatch from a slow roll and he didn't catch up till about 110. The lack of torque really kill's them. You named the reason they are so popular yourself, it's the cheapest DOHC VTEC motor available and everyone think's you need VTEC in a honda to be quick which is not the case.

B16a should beat a b18b in every category. It's more reliable, more hp, etc. Seriously i always say this but how much torque do you need to move a honda? It's not like honda's weight 3000lbs, and i really dont understand how you beat all these diff cars, with an LS engine. I'd understand you beating a coupe w/ a B16, since your in CRX. But take into consideration that you drive, a lil CRX, which probably only weights 2100lbs tops

see your in the b16 hype, you think nothing can top it, how are they more reliable? if they loose enough oil pressure vtec will stop working sounds more reliable than a B18 to me...NOT

I beat all these car's because 1 I can drive and 2 b16's arent any better than b18a/b. I have the b18a and I spank b16 car's all day long dont like it? tough that's how it is.

dont need much torque? you are mistaken my friend come drive my car and then go drive a b16 car and tell me which has more throttle response, quicker acceleration and what car is more fun.

ok I have an si crx with bigger integra brakes which weigh more, a B18 which weighs more than a d series, 15" rim's which are bigger than stock, extra aftermarket suspension pieces and I am 6.0' 230lbs if my car weighs 2100lbs with me in or out of it I will give it to you.

go do a search for 90-91 si crx's with an obd0 b16a with just intake and exhaust even a header and street tires and see if you can find one with a better time

see your in the b16 hype, you think nothing can top it, how are they more reliable? if they loose enough oil pressure vtec will stop working sounds more reliable than a B18 to me...NOT

I beat all these car's because 1 I can drive and 2 b16's arent any better than b18a/b. I have the b18a and I spank b16 car's all day long dont like it? tough that's how it is.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....ok...BWAHAHAHAHA, you and your magical B18A1 go girl. And if those are the times in your sig your running with your B18A1 in a CRX no less, then I wouldn't be saying you can drive, those are weak. B16A in 5th gens are hitting high 13's son, in rexs, mid to low. And as for the countless B16A hatchs you beat all the time, maybe they should try and learn to drive.

No shit a B18C(1) is going to be stronger, hmmm....is that because it has the same Hp and more torque? Duh. And the heads on LS motors are for shit, they flow like a fat girl in a tubetop, and in order to make them even halfway fun you have to buy a vtec B tranny any, I don't understand why people want to short change themselves, for the price a B16A is a great motor, no shit the ITR, GSR, CTR are more powerful, they also have a hefty price tag coming in over a grand more at least, all the way to twice the price. Same gen LS motors are the same price as their B16 counterparts, and sorry dude, the B16A is more powerful, there's just no way around it.

13's....are you below sea level? did they all have slick's? and were gutted to hell? what model car's? what were the mod's?

I think your just bullshit. Go get your fact's straight cuz your pure bullshit. anyone can see that.

I never said anything gsr's or itr's so i dont know what your saying "no shit" for.

what do you run? 13.9's at 92mph?

I would have to say that the b16a is a great motor, and has alot of potential, but I do think that it is given a bit to much hype. It is a great motor, but I have seen stock ls integras take stock 99-01 si's 8 outa 10 times. Really they are about equal, and it comes down to the driver. I used to own a ls integra before I got the GSR, and they have a really good bottom end. They have been known to pull on gsr's in 1st and 2nd, but by 3rd it is by by GSR, but with the B16a, it usually just catchs up, and sometimes passes in the 1/4. It does make more hp than the ls, but it does lack torpue. All in all it is a great motor, and I don't feel that it should be bad mouthed, and that is not what I am meaning to do, but it isn't as fast as alot of people think. I have a friend who had an ls, then he sold it for an si, thinking it was alot faster and he was pretty bummed out when he realized it was about the same. I took him numerous times in my old stock ls. The 99-01 si's are pretty tight looking though! Love that electron blue.

5th gen with b16's running 13's????? I call BS.Only way is if the motor is built my friend or even running a turbo charger.My buddy runs an 88HF CRX 1st gen b16a(160HP) stock with a T3/4 turbo setup at 10lbs of boost.Running on azeni's his bet 1/4 has been 13.2.Mind you he spins through 3rd gear trying to find grip.Now ur saying a heavier 5th gen hatch with only a b16a will compete with it??? Your F#$kin insane.

Oh, on a side note, my buddy Rudy in his 4th gen 4-door civic with an ls/vtec swap an a T3/4 setup just ran a 12.8 at LACR on azenis at 15lbs of boost.The followed his victory by riding his dirtbike and crashing hard.He broke hig leg and arm and can't remember how he did it.what a moron!

civicHBsi91, Man dont think a b18a is faster than a b16a. If you had a b16a on your car you would run little better times. Yes, you have more torque but common its not like your comparing a 1.6 liter to a 3.2 liter, its just 200cc of displacement which aint much. The b16a has more power "sustained torque" through the hole powerband than the b18a. You may be faster on 1st gear but once the b16 reaches 5500 rpms on 1st gear its boiling and it will sustain its torque throughout the whole race and make more power.

Guess how much it takes for a b16a in a 2550 lbs car to get to 5500rpms in 1st gear...less than two seconds.

Ive raced against guys with Astras GSRs which I have documented on video. Its a car that weighs exactly as mine (2550 lbs) and has a Lot more torque it has a 2.2 liter engine, which is MORE than half a liter of displacement, and once im in first gear 5500rpms im boiling and their engine that produces a LOT more torque cant pull the car as well as mine. And I go through all my first 3 gears in the quarter mile, all of them up to 8100 rpms.

I dont know if people get it but a very torquey engine does not mean that ittl be fast in the 1/4 mile. Mustang late 80s models have a 5.0 liter engine LOTS of torque but once im rolling at 25 mph they have no chance stock for stock.

Ive raced lots in the 1/4 mile against many stock cars and driven many of them. So I know what im talking about.

no, you dont know what your talking about.

I have already taken out crx's with b16's and more mod's than me multiple times.

b16 is over hyped period. end of story..

13's....are you below sea level? did they all have slick's? and were gutted to hell? what model car's? what were the mod's?

I think your just bullshit. Go get your fact's straight cuz your pure bullshit. anyone can see that.

I never said anything gsr's or itr's so i dont know what your saying "no shit" for.

what do you run? 13.9's at 92mph?
Yes homie, 13's bolt ons (I/H/E) some of the high ones are street tires, a couple of the lower ones are slicks. Grow up man, you think you know what's up, and you don't. You can call BS all day if you like, ain't gonna change the FACTS y0!! What anyone can see is that you need to get out more. Run yourself over to Honda-Tech and call BS on some of the timeslips there, watch yourself get laughed out of the place.

5th gen with b16's running 13's????? I call BS.Only way is if the motor is built my friend or even running a turbo charger.My buddy runs an 88HF CRX 1st gen b16a(160HP) stock with a T3/4 turbo setup at 10lbs of boost.Running on azeni's his bet 1/4 has been 13.2.Mind you he spins through 3rd gear trying to find grip.Now ur saying a heavier 5th gen hatch with only a b16a will compete with it??? Your F#$kin insane.
HF Rex with a boosted B16A should be trapping low 12's at least, tell your buddy he needs to learn how to drive. Maybe tell him to not rev the piss out of it, and learn how to feather a clutch, get some traction, and then he will run respectable times for what he has. You people seem to think it is the amount of Hp that is going to win, which in a sense yea, you have to have it all dialed in and be able to hook up. 500hp at 239psi doesn't mean shit in the REAL world if your spinning through third now does it?

no, you dont know what your talking about.

I have already taken out crx's with b16's and more mod's than me multiple times.

b16 is over hyped period. end of story..
You're over hyped, end of story.

Mex isn't lying I can kinda vouch for that right there because when I race my boy in the JDM prelude (H22A) from a 20 - 40 mph roll we're always together straight through once I gained on him and another time he gained on me he has about 50ft lbs more torque than me but we're almost always right with each other so when people talk about B16A's lack torque I just let it go because I know once I hit that 8,100 rpm mark on my tach and shift out of first gear torque is pretty much out of the window....

I am a member of Honda-tech. They dont scare me...?

Do you think your special because you have a wannabe jdm car?

what does your car run? please tell me since you have a 5th gen with the allmighty b16 what do you run?

I am a member of Honda-tech. They dont scare me...?

Do you think your special because you have a wannabe jdm car?

what does your car run? please tell me since you have a 5th gen with the allmighty b16 what do you run?
Haven't taken this one to a track. And that's REAL mature, hahahaha "wannabe jdm" hahahaha you gotta try to attack my car? Loser.

You just seem like one of those "my shit does not stink" pretty boy's and hater's from honda tech.

one more thing, please show me where these guys are running high 13's with a b16 with i/h/e and not completely gutted out.

You just seem like one of those "my shit does not stink" pretty boy's and hater's from honda tech.

one more thing, please show me where these guys are running high 13's with a b16 with i/h/e and not completely gutted out.
Nope, I just took a shit and it reeked y0!! I'm not a hater, you're the hater, you talk a lot of smack on shit you don't have a clue about. And I'm not your mamma, you know how to search right, try "official" you'll find the dohc thread, there's a couple in there, along with other random posts from people with timeslips.

Im the hater? and I dont know what im talking about?

I spoke from personal experiences, many personal experiences. how would I not know what I was talking about?

Im the hater? and I dont know what im talking about?

I spoke from personal experiences, many personal experiences. how would I not know what I was talking about?
Well then, maybe next time you try to tout your "experiances" as fact you should think about the fact that there is a whole world out there, and there are many more cars and drivers than the ones you race.

You should follow your own advice than.

Were both arguing the same thing just different motor's....

Why? All I said was that B18A's are inferior motor to B16A, and it's true, technology wise, and built wise. I never said you don't beat everyone in your towns B16A hatchs and rexs, hell, good for you, underdog wins. Anyway there's really no point in going back and forth about it, so you continue to smoke the neighborhood, I am going to eat breakfast.

lol, you must have a glass stomach, because your head is so far up your ass....

Wow, I was trying to be a nice guy and leave it alone, but your dumbass wants to get stupid. So on that note, take your piece of shit b18a and cram it up your fucking ass. Your running high 14's and you're claiming your fast, HAHAHAHA you fucking idiot, I'd be embarassed to post those times in a swapped rex, you must really be a loser if you think that's fast, whoa, hold on now, you shaved 4 tenths of with yer NAAAAWWWZZZ hahaha learn to drive, you can cut that by taking a shit.

Now, piss the fuck off.

who said I was fast? did I? go do a search and see where I said I was fast.

Yea it was the 1st time I sprayed at the track. What driver do you know that goes to the track and run's his best time the first time? yea go screw yourself

Your the idiot. come pull better times in my car, you can't, post some slips up till then shut your mouth

I thought you had a 91 hatchback, didn't know it was a crx..

I used to have a hatchback with a d16z6 swap, hence the name...

b16 vs b18a , b16 takes it from a drop , like around 40- 60 mph drop all the way up to top end ... but off the line the b18a's torque will put it to far ahead for the b16 to catch up ... i have seen it with my own eyes plenty of times , when my girlfriend lets me drive her SI i usually end up racing my friends LS and it happens just like i mentioned before ...

b16 vs b18a , b16 takes it from a drop , like around 40- 60 mph drop all the way up to top end ... but off the line the b18a's torque will put it to far ahead for the b16 to catch up ... i have seen it with my own eyes plenty of times ,
Um, it's only 10 lbs-ft difference, not a significant amount to put it "far ahead" hell, I got 8lbs-ft in my B16A just from dropping in CTR cams, not even tuning for them. And I have seen it a couple times too, except it was in the rear view, not through the windshield.

ok , so this is getting really far here aint it ?? Ive seen it with my eyes youve seen the opposite with yours ... fact is , both cars are very capable of taking out the other depending on the situation and of course the driver ... i would personally take a b16a over the b18a but thats just because im a VTEC fan ... but anyways its a close call ... :2cents:

b16 vs b18a , b16 takes it from a drop , like around 40- 60 mph drop all the way up to top end ... but off the line the b18a's torque will put it to far ahead for the b16 to catch up ... i have seen it with my own eyes plenty of times , when my girlfriend lets me drive her SI i usually end up racing my friends LS and it happens just like i mentioned before ...

That is pretty much the same I have seen. I usually would beat my friend from a stop, but from a roll he pulled on me when I had the LS. But mind you this was in the 99-01 si, which is not a hatch, an weighs about the same as a teggy. In a hatch the b16 would come out on top because of the weight diff. But when you are comparing a ls teggy to a 99-01 si, it is a pretty fair race because they weigh close to the same, and like I said of all the times I have seen from a stop the ls is just a bit faster, but from a roll si will always win. This is just what I have seen and doesn't represent the population as a whole! Mostly just comes down to the driver. B16a will probably run a tad bit longer than the b18b due to its near perfect r/s ratio though. Thumbs up to the b16 for that!

Hmm.... this flaming is pretty bad... I didn't really want anyone to flame, buta... yeah... who knows, If you really like VTEC, B16 or B18 or B17 etc. it doesn't matter, as long as it has DOHC VTEC huh... almost anything is possible.... :-) and thanks for the info everyone...

civicHBsi91 - You are probably a very good driver but it does not mean that your 1.8 liter engine will outperform a more powerful 1.6 liter engine. We can keep discussing it but lets just face it, the b16a is more powerful. And common! it isnt like your running a v8 on your car, its only a 1.8 liter, it is still torqueless if your comparing it with a 1.6 liter.
If you had a b16 on your car, you would be pulling better 1/4 miles times, maybe not 60ft.

And torque? The b16 produces MORE torque than the b18 because its sustains its torque LONGER than the b18. So if you add the torque produced from 0-8000 rev range it comes up to be MORE than the b18. Somebody get it? Horsepower is derivative of torque...

JCRX I completely agree with you man. People dont know shit when they say it takes too long to catch a 1.8 liter with a 1.6 liter common!...Civic Si and SE-R Spec V run the same 0-60 mph time and the Spec V is putting more than 60 lbs of torque with its 2.5 liter.


And NO an integra LS will not beat a Civic Si 99. It may pull better from 0-20 mph, but thats it...

ok , so this is getting really far here aint it ?? Ive seen it with my eyes youve seen the opposite with yours ... fact is , both cars are very capable of taking out the other depending on the situation and of course the driver ... i would personally take a b16a over the b18a but thats just because im a VTEC fan ... but anyways its a close call ... :2cents:

Have you heard of gearing? The LS' tranny blows monster whale cock for driving hard. B16 will have it off the line, mid range, top end, everything. The LS only has 10 ft-lbs more torque than the B16, which is peanuts. A b16 with the B16 trans will actually put more torque to the ground than the LS by sheer torque multiplication through it's numerically higher gears.

finally, people w/ common sense post. And like stated above, the B16a is more reliable because of the rod stroke ratio.

Driving skill is soooooo under-rated.

It really does come down to driving skill between the two because thier 1/4 times are very similar! and if you are more into auto-x it really becomes a drivers race!

Actually a LS weights less than a 99SI coupe, and the 99SI coupe runs .2 seconds faster.

Im done with you guy's

My car has been faster than any b16 powered car that I have raced so far so I dont need to worry about any of you. Have a nice day.

Have a nice day too man. :)

Actually a LS weights less than a 99SI coupe, and the 99SI coupe runs .2 seconds faster.
how do you figure that? integras are all heavier than all civics and from what I have heard the ls runs .2 sec faster from a stop like a 1/4.

oh and civicHBsi91 I am with you all the way I agree with you.

Acura LS curb weight 2,529 "http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/1996"; 1994-2000
Civic SI curb weight 2,612 http://www.clubcivic.com/board/specs.php

Acura LS curb weight 2,529 "http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/1996"; 1994-2000
Civic SI curb weight 2,612 http://www.clubcivic.com/board/specs.php

99 LS coupe weighs 2643lbs, that is the correct weight for the Si, and I'd like to see an accurate what car runs what time, not "well I heard"s.

what if the b18b had the gsr tranny instead of the LS tranny.......

all i have to say is B18C-R MOTHA FUCKAS!!!! Spank all you tricked out mo fo's. Na just playing that is in my opinion the best honda engine ever. and i know for a fact a decent driver in an ls can get to low 14's with that engine and thats with an ls tranny.
OOOOOOOOoooohhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHH yeah.

all i have to say is B18C-R MOTHA FUCKAS!!!! Spank all you tricked out mo fo's. Na just playing that is in my opinion the best honda engine ever. and i know for a fact a decent driver in an ls can get to low 14's with that engine and thats with an ls tranny.
OOOOOOOOoooohhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHH yeah.

shurly you don't mean an stock ls can hit low 14's do you? Or are you saying a ls with a b18c can hit low 14's, that would make more sence. but there is no way a stock ls is going to even be hitting low 15's, well maybe with some serous weight reduction!

I cant take it anymore.

Why doesn't everybody share addresses, meet each other, race, and quit arguing about imaginary or hypothetical races on the internet. It's about to drive me crazy, cause i come to look for info, and people just flame the hell out of the posts. People don't care if your car is faster than the other guy's car, and the original poster obviously doesn't care either, so just chill out. There's way to many circumstances and attributes for different cars and drivers to come up with a decision over which is better. Peace.

shurly you don't mean an stock ls can hit low 14's do you? Or are you saying a ls with a b18c can hit low 14's, that would make more sence. but there is no way a stock ls is going to even be hitting low 15's, well maybe with some serous weight reduction!
i said b18c-r which is a JDM Type R engine in an ls with an ls tranny...agreed? or do i need to further explain myself