2g non turbo?

I was wondering now tha i'm considering a 2g eclipse i'm reading about alot of crankwalk issues and stuff, I read the article at magnus motor sports, also the one about the engine swap,

But now i'm wondering is crankwalk the same issue for non turboed 2g engines or just turboed, Also would all the engine swap articles (6 bolt 4g63 1g motor)work the same with a non turboed gs or rs

Would appreciate the info.

2GNT's (rs/gs) do not suffer from crankwalk. 4g issue only. And if you are interested in swapping motors from different manufacturers (i.e. 420a into GST/X or vice versa) save yourself money and time and buy the car with the motor you ultimately want. Too many things are invloved in the swap (center crossmember, tranny, axles...) to make it practical.

If you have a parts car next to your car and have money and want to do it just to say you have done it, do some searching - it has been done before.

Hey Code 4 i'm moving out to Phoenix this summer to go to school,

I'm asking this question because i currently own a 78 pontiac trans am luv it cant keep it though but i'm gonna sell it to buy a 2g eclipse after reading about crankwalk and stuff i'm thinking of just getting an rs or gs because i still luv the body style and need better gas mileage( i will undoubtedly mod the hell of it slowly), I'm trying to sell my transam for atleast $6500 and i can get an eclipse from dallas dealer car auctions because my dad used to sell used cars and knows ppl who'll get us in with them, I can probably get one for under $2000 easy, 3yrs ago we got a gs for 2500 manual and chrome rims so they r cheaper now.

I'm asking because there might be an eclipse there with a bad motor which will then cost even less, So How difficult would it be to throw in a 1g turbo 6bolt into an rs/gs I dont want a 2g turbo 7 bolt. Any Other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Believe me i can get an eclipse 95-97 that cheap but i'm poor so i have to look for these deals.

You cant put a 6 bolt into a r/gs unless you are willing to spend a shit load.

A few things you might want to know:
1.The cost of putting a turbo motor into an RS/GS makes it almost stupid to attempt it. You'd see in the thread 'read BEFORE you post' that the cost from 2gnt is ~$5600.
2.'Modding the hell out of' an RS/GS is going to end up with a turbo unless you are satisfied with 150 horsepower.
3. It's more expensive to turbo an RS/GS than to buy a GST/GSX in the first place.

Ok thanx for the info,

Okay i understand now by the passion of ur answers that putting a 1g motor in rs/gs is impossible and not practical thanx for the criticism just wanted to know I'm gonna buy an rs/gs then and rebuild it changing the internals and prepping them for when i can afford a stage 2 turbo kit from hahn, I told u i din't want a 2g 7bolt turbo motor. I hate that everyone well not everyone always suggests well fuck the rs/gs save ur money u idiot and get a gsx.
Thanx for the info anyways sorry for me not knowing but i've hated ricers my whole life this is a drastic change for mr and i gotta deal with it.

If you going to buy a rs/gs and then mod the hell out of it, it will cost you a lot still. And if you spend that much on a gst/x you will be quicker.

I am not putting the NT down, come on now I have one. I am just saying what is practical. If you really want to turbo it go for it, but for under 2k you can be in the 12's with a gst/x

I dont want to sound as harsh as 'save up your money for the gsx idiot' but they say it for a reason. I don't know if you read the best crankwalk info out there (http://racingknowledge.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=185), but crankwalk doesn't happen often at all. If that's your main issue for not wanting a GST/GSX then I would reconsider.

Well yes i am very worried about CW because first of all i'm buying from an auction for sure because as i said i can get them way way cheaper there but surely they would have been abused and the chance of the gsx i choose having crankwalk is pretty good. Yes i am very freaked out about this i dont have much money cuz i'm gonna take off to college i will only throw in the money i get from the trans am so i dont want to replace a motor if i get cw, and yes maybe its been blown outa proportion but i got suxed in and because i dont have much it worries me even more i hope u understand. i read that article joe and the one from magnus motorsports but they just freaked me out more lol.
Thanx joe and everybody for ur input, U guys R awsome here lots of great input.

Yea I know what you mean. Expecially when buying through an auction. But if you can find a turbo one for cheap there, you can drop a 6 bolt in that. Then you should not have to worry about CW

Ok y arent the engine bays isrs/gs the same as the gsx/gst isnt it basically the samr car.
Anyways say i do find a gsx/gst with a busted motor it will undoubtedly be cheaper because of engine how much money am i looking at for the engine swap especially since i have no time to do it myself cuz i got to go college in june, Also how many options are there out there for the 6bolt motor which sites.

The engine bays are practically the same... it's the motor mounts and wiring harness/ECU that's different. N/T motors are a whole different engine block.

Joe-
so all you need to do is put in different motor mounts? I was not tryin to make it sound like its easy. The 5000+ price to switch motors is for a new motor right? You could buy a wreaked but running gs-t/gsx from a junkyard and switch them that way couldn't you?

Yyea joe what if i get the motor mounts and buy the entire motor from www.totaljdm.com with the money i get from my other car

You can't buy the fitment, you have to make it. It's custom motor mounts. Yes the 5000+ price includes the motor. If you wanted to pay $7000 for the swap + donor car, you could. Not real cost effective though.

Again, you can do it, but it's not cost effective in any situation over buying the GST/GSX.

The motor is around $1700(1g 4g63 turbo 6bolt) i have frends at a local machineshop that will make the fitments (what do u mean by fitments) they will also help me put the engine in , What else is necessary

2GNT's (rs/gs) do not suffer from crankwalk.

your wrong... i just put a new motor in my step brothers GS because it had crankwalk! any motor can get crankwalk/thrust bearing failure! it is very uncommon to see it in a 2gnt and i was surprized when i found out that was it! its the first 2gnt i have seen with it but probably not the only one!!!

Yep my cousins 420a neon crankwalked
Is it that hard to put oil in a car :screwy:

so then it sux that its extemely haed to put 1g 6bolt turbo into a gs/rs but alot easier into a gsx/gst why is this. Even after what i said above? or what

GST's and GSX's all have 4g63T motors in them, whether they are 6 bolt or 7 bolt they all face the same way and are almost the same motor so its easier to swap the 6 bolt inplace where the 7 bolt was compared to swaping a 6 bolt 4g63T inplace of a 420a motor which is completely backwards... 420a - all belts (timing, etc...) on passenger side and tranny on the drivers side, 4g63T - all belts (timing, etc...) on drivers side and tranny on the passenger side!

non turbo's (RS/GS) have the 420a
turboed cars (GST/GSX) have the 4g63T
non turboed 1st gen cars (GS/RS) have the 4g63
non turboed Spyder (GS) have the 4g64

But if i bought the whole engine complete What exactly would be the most difficult fitting the motor in or what. What exactly makes it so hard the motor mounts or what exactly because the engine bay is the same so exactle what is the hardest part in detail

Sorry the reason i'm pushing this is because i really plan on bidding on an eclipse with a busted motor and if its a rs/gs i can get it for like $1300-$1800
if its a 95-96 it will be closer to 1300 becuz its older I really can cuz dealers will shy away from it I know

Sorry just did this to move my thread up again LOL!!!

...and you did this why? What question do you have remaining, that makes everyone read the thread again?

My Question is why or better yet what exactly is the difficult part about putting in a 1g 6bolt turbo into a 2g rs/gs i need details before i decide to bid on a car that has a bad motor because i've never seen a gsx/gst with a bad motor at these auctions,
Plz help all the article ppl point to are for the swap into a gsx, Like the one at magnusmotorsports.com Why do u have to bash me and be a dick about it am i annoying you I'm sorry but i told you why I am pushing this.

I guess it's the fact that they've already stated, multiple times, that the engines are completely backwards. That alone should be enough info for you to see why it is so difficult and expensive to do it.

I'm sure theres more than just the engines are backwards ok I just really wanna know now even if its not practical i really wanna know now nobody answers this question I dont get it I am not an asshole so plz dont treat me like one just cuz i wanna know something if not point me in a direction anything but engines are backwards plz thats all i ask

yeah basically you need to take everything you see in the engine bay out and replace it with everything you see in a turboed eclipse engine bay! plus there is a lot of welding and fabricating necessary in order to make the motor fit in there right!

Thank You very Much,
Eclipse rst you are the greatest thats all i asked for thank you for not treating me like a dick. So basically its outa the question for me because i'm on a budget I'll hope and pray my ass off that there will be a gsx/gst at the auction that has fallen victim to crankwalk(they have a whole section for cars with busted motors) if not i'll bid on a rs/gs and have the engine tottaly rebuilt cuz you never know with those auctions Would it be smart to upgrade the internals at that time for when i can afford a turbo kit

Again thank you rst