Mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners

There has been a lot of press this week,about the mistreatment of prisoners in Iraq by both US and British forces.Can anyone explain to me how this was allowed to happen? We have a coalition of forces occupying a foreign country in the hope of making a 'model democracy' in the Middle East,and yet the isolated actions of a few morons have set the peace and settlement process back hugely.Is there any reason why the criminals who perpetrated these foul acts shouldn't be handed over to the authorities in Iraq for trial?

[Please don't bleat about the treatment of coalition captives at the hands of the defending forces,if you believe that somehow two wrongs against entirely unconnected individuals somehow make a right,I'm not interested in your valueless opinion]

The treatment those guys recieved was appauling. :disappoin How those sadistic people did those things is beyond me. I can only hope that they are put away for a long long time.













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I heard that the mistreatment went beyond just the US and GB. Other coalition forces have also mistreated Iraqi prisoners. I also heard that those convicted of such mistreatment will be treated as enemy combatents.
There is no excuse for this type of behavior. The people involved including their commanders deserve to be treated as enemies of the coalition.

When I was a Security Police in the US Air Force there was this thing called a "lawful order". I've seen and read that these soldiers were told by higher ranking officers to do this or that it had been reported to the higher ranking officers and nothing was done about it. Either way I don't think the soldiers were following a "lawful order".

Any resonable and sane person should have known better! Unfortunately now "we Americans" may and will be seen and thought of as being just as "evil" as Saddam!!

This is certainly NOT a good thing for our people to have done, but I am thinking the 60 Min report was the biggest problem. This SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TELEVIZED!! Using this issue for political gain is truly disgusting!!! Where were the outcries when Sadaam was doing these evil things??? Then the BBC comes out with obviously fraudulent claims against the Brits! Those will cause problems in that they will never be understood as false by the mid eastern nutcases!

BTW no order to do what they did to those prisoners could be determined as a "lawful" order! Those were awful and the perpetrators should be hung out to dry.

mabey itz just me...but i find those pics funny:lol:

itz wrong but itz funny...but how long will it take people to figure out that if u do illegal stuff...do not take pics or make a vid

What disgusts me more than the treatment of prisoners, is the image of the whole thing. This is a buch of 'highly trained' soldiers, supposed to be the best in the world, and here they are pulling a bunch of fucking college frathouse behavior?? Christ... that's a nice one. Especially since they should know that kind of shit can be used as propaganda by those whacko shit-throwing muslim clerics, and in fact it already is being used.

There are NO excuses for this kind of crap and it pisses me off to think about it.

This is certainly NOT a good thing for our people to have done, but I am thinking the 60 Min report was the biggest problem. This SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TELEVIZED!! Using this issue for political gain is truly disgusting!!! Where were the outcries when Sadaam was doing these evil things??? Then the BBC comes out with obviously fraudulent claims against the Brits! Those will cause problems in that they will never be understood as false by the mid eastern nutcases!

BTW no order to do what they did to those prisoners could be determined as a "lawful" order! Those were awful and the perpetrators should be hung out to dry.


It SHOULD have been televised. The Coalition is claiming to be there to stop all this mistreatment of the Iraqi people and all that bullshit, and they do this. People need to fucking wake up. Who''s using it for political gain?

BLU CIVIC: Your complete lack of any sign of intelligence astounds me. How the fuck do you manage to breathe?

It SHOULD have been televised.
WRONG!! Televising it is gonna cause more of our people to get croaked off!! You want that? I think not! ....just to satisfy the anti-american...anti-war morons from the CBS 60minutes nutcase gang?? That program was a major mistake!!

But...back to the idiots who did this assinine stunt...

letters of reprimand???? What is wrong with this picture???? That is hardly more than a wrist slap!! They might lose their military careers, but my guess is they didn't have much in the way of careers to look forward to anyway. The losers! They should make MAJOR examples out of these idiots!!

WRONG!! Televising it is gonna cause more of our people to get croaked off!! You want that? I think not! ....just to satisfy the anti-american...anti-war morons from the CBS 60minutes nutcase gang?? That program was a major mistake!!

Errr. How would more americans be killed? Newsflash, most Iraqis probably don't get CBS etc etc, they probably don't even have electricity. You'd prefer they didn't show it and the American public continues to be lied to about what its "honourable soldiers" are doing over there? The Iraqis are aready killing Americans and they're not going to stop, why would this make any difference?

Also, being anti-war and anti-bush is NOT being anti American.

More Americans will be killed because of it. CBS reported it then CNN picked up on it then all the Arab world saw it including Iraqi papers. I agree it was wrong to show the pictures on T.V. or the papers. It was further degrading the people in the pictures and provoking more violence. Step in and put a stop to it happening and punish those who did it but don't do it at the cost of more lives. CBS was irresponsible.

The soldiers were irresponsible. I doubt the number of Americans getting killed is going to change. There will just be more Iraqis signing up to do it, unfortunately. This is bad for both sides, but I still don't see anything wrong with CBS releasing the images. Better the people know what their soldiers are really doing than to continue sucking down the lies.

The word is is that these are fake pics.

There are issues relating to the photos that dont stand up (the Brit photos, anyway).

More soon.

Any links to those rumours Rhys? More soon? How soon?

By Rhys pace :D

WRONG!! Televising it is gonna cause more of our people to get croaked off!! You want that? I think not! ....just to satisfy the anti-american...anti-war morons from the CBS 60minutes nutcase gang?? That program was a major mistake!!

But...back to the idiots who did this assinine stunt...

letters of reprimand???? What is wrong with this picture???? That is hardly more than a wrist slap!! They might lose their military careers, but my guess is they didn't have much in the way of careers to look forward to anyway. The losers! They should make MAJOR examples out of these idiots!!

Sad to see such wrong thinking [if thinking is the correct word for it].CBS did nothing wrong.CBS did not breach anybody's rights,nor have they put the lives of soldiers at risk.Any damage thjat was done was done by the cretins who grossly abused their authority,and their superiors who clearly had no control over the situation.[or worse,hadcontrol and excercised it in an unauthorised manner]

The program was not a mistake.If the Republican movement wants to take over entire countries on the premise that they are not being properly run,then they'd better make sure that the troops that they send in are no worse than those that they replace.

Sad to see such wrong thinking [if thinking is the correct word for it].CBS did nothing wrong.CBS did not breach anybody's rights,nor have they put the lives of soldiers at risk.Any damage thjat was done was done by the cretins who grossly abused their authority,and their superiors who clearly had no control over the situation.[or worse,hadcontrol and excercised it in an unauthorised manner]

The program was not a mistake.If the Republican movement wants to take over entire countries on the premise that they are not being properly run,then they'd better make sure that the troops that they send in are no worse than those that they replace.
What the hell does the "Republican movement" have to do with anything? We are referring to what CBS did.
I know , I know... "Republicans and Bush do everything wrong" I think we get it. Like a broken record.
If this is such wrong thinking then why are military leaders(both active and retired) saying the same thing? They are warning that there will be a backlash. Do you know something they don't?

CBS did do something wrong. They did the same thing we complained about earlier in the war. There are other ways that this situation could have been handled without putting more risk on soldiers. If you can't see that then I doubt you are thinking (if thinking is the correct word for it) clearly.

BLU CIVIC: Your complete lack of any sign of intelligence astounds me. How the fuck do you manage to breathe?

what...i find something funny about the situation....my sence of humor differs from ur....b/c i actually said it was funny when i saw it...that's what makes eveyone different...i have my opnion and u have urs...was it wrong...ofcourse it was...i still find it funny....

BTW...i've managed to breathe fine for the last 24 years

in ww2 when a Japanese kamikazi was found alive the American sailors on the carrier killed him with wrenches, and no one said anything. I really dont care if we mistreat them, by destroying the twin towers and hitting the Pentagon, they set the rules of war, everthing goes, thats the only way to win, destroy the enemys will to fight, ever hear of Shermans or Sheridans(dang think its Sheridans) March to the Sea? The Union General destroyed everything in his path cut a massive hole through the South destroyed thier will to fight, he killed anyone who stood in his way, thats how you win wars, we hit a Japanese town filled with civilians with a nuke, thats how you win wars, you treat enemy soldiers and say thats what will happen if you fight us, thats how you win wars. If it was up to me i would have totally destroyd Fullujah(not spelled correctly) with a130 gunships, and bombers, shelled it with big ol bad ass cannons, then moved in with troops and killed anyone who looked like they might attack you.

Yes, because we all know that the Iraqis pulled off September 11 :rolleyes:

Go back to your fantasy world. Do you have any idea of the backlash that would result if they did that to Fallujah?

we hit a Japanese town filled with civilians with a nuke, thats how you win wars

you disgust me.

those civilians didnt want that war. they just accepted it as a necessity of their government. the fact that dropping the bomb may have saved the lives of our soldiers is good, but that doesnt make the fact that we indiscriminatly killed innocents to terrorize a government into surrendering any easier to swallow.

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and on the pictures being televised, whether it was right or wrong in the war effort to do so, CBS didnt do anything wrong in of itself. you see, theres this thing called the first admendment, and it provides this thing called freedom of the press. it doesnt day "freedom of the press in times of peace" it just says "freedom of the press." end of discussion.

and i still fail to see how this will cost the lives of our troops. i mean really. provide me with evidence that printing the picture of that little vietnamese girl being burned alive by napalm caused increased deaths of our soldiers, and i might believe you, otherwise, it is merely blatant regurgation of whatever administration official said it first.

If this is such wrong thinking then why are military leaders(both active and retired) saying the same thing? They are warning that there will be a backlash. Do you know something they don't?

CBS did do something wrong. They did the same thing we complained about earlier in the war. There are other ways that this situation could have been handled without putting more risk on soldiers. If you can't see that then I doubt you are thinking (if thinking is the correct word for it) clearly.

Sorry,but the days of military censorship of the press are over.Much as the military leadership[and other desk warriors] would like to run wars without any public interference,they are fighting on behalf of the public.

The public has a right to know what is being done in their name,because if UStroops are committing crimes against prisoners,sooner or later the terrorists are going to extract revenge on US civilians.

mostly everthing ive read about in history books is that they did want war, heck I read a quote from a Japanese person that said they were happy that they attacked and defeated us at Pearl Harbor. and hey I did not bomb that city, i would not have done it to Hiroshima i would have done it to an area totally devoted to their military but the fact remains that that saved lives, even Japanese lives, also we told them that we would destroy them if they did not surrender, hey we gave them warning they gave us no warning about Pear Harbor, that fact remains most modern wars have been won because of total war, its a fact plain and simple I wish it was not like that but it is. You do what you need to win the war. Many people today just dont want to think that. We(the North) would not have wont the American Civil War without total war, we(the Allies) would not have won WW2 without total warfare, the Axis powers put military factories and the like near civilian places, we bombed them killing more civilians then enemy combantants, Im sorry but thats how you win wars.

Oh and about the mistreatment the only thing wrong our guys did is to take pictures, and put them in disgusting postions.

Do you have any idea of the backlash that would result if they did that to Fallujah?

yes, but just sitting there talking with them still attacking us is really not helping. Come on, how are they going to hate us anymore then they do now? Like i said before the only way to win modern wars is to fight a total war, i dont like it no one likes it but thats the way it has to be done.

Sorry,but the days of military censorship of the press are over.Much as the military leadership[and other desk warriors] would like to run wars without any public interference,they are fighting on behalf of the public.

The public has a right to know what is being done in their name,because if UStroops are committing crimes against prisoners,sooner or later the terrorists are going to extract revenge on US civilians.

I'm not talking about military censorship. I'm talking about recklessly reporting a story in a way that could cause more damage than it cures. There were other options of breaking the story without putting up those images that served no other purpose than to further degrade the men involved and to improve ratings.

I'm against what happened and I think those involved should pay. I am also against exploitation for ratings.

As far as terrorist extracting revenge on US civilians goes. I guarentee it will escilate because of those images. I also guarentee more terrorist will die than US civilians. I hope CBS is proud of their ratings. I am ashamed of the Americans involved and ashamed of 60 minutes.

I am ashamed of the Americans involved and ashamed of 60 minutes.


Be ashamed of the audience as well then.If people didn't want to see this kind of stuff,CBS wouldn't air it.

mostly everthing ive read about in history books is that they did want war, heck I read a quote from a Japanese person that said they were happy that they attacked and defeated us at Pearl Harbor. and hey I did not bomb that city, i would not have done it to Hiroshima i would have done it to an area totally devoted to their military but the fact remains that that saved lives, even Japanese lives, also we told them that we would destroy them if they did not surrender, hey we gave them warning they gave us no warning about Pear Harbor, that fact remains most modern wars have been won because of total war, its a fact plain and simple I wish it was not like that but it is. You do what you need to win the war. Many people today just dont want to think that. We(the North) would not have wont the American Civil War without total war, we(the Allies) would not have won WW2 without total warfare, the Axis powers put military factories and the like near civilian places, we bombed them killing more civilians then enemy combantants, Im sorry but thats how you win wars.

Oh and about the mistreatment the only thing wrong our guys did is to take pictures, and put them in disgusting postions.



yes, but just sitting there talking with them still attacking us is really not helping. Come on, how are they going to hate us anymore then they do now? Like i said before the only way to win modern wars is to fight a total war, i dont like it no one likes it but thats the way it has to be done.

So, so stacking someone naked and making them simulate sex with eachother is NOT mistreatment? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CALL IT THEN?

Just because you read a quote from one Japanese person saying they agreed on the war does not mean the whole country did. Wake up. If America went all out apeshit nuts on Iraq and just took out everything in its path, the diplomatic effect would be HUGE. Everyone would try distance themselves from the US. You'd be stuck on your own.

Japan was going to give a warning to the US, but it arrived something like 45 minutes after the attack started. Or did they not teach you that in "American History"?

The insurgents are fighting a guerilla war, the only way to end that would be to kill EVERY SINGLE IRAQI. I'd love to see how the American public would justify genocide in its name.

Further, I'd love to see how they react to soldiers being sent in as cannon fodder in "total war". The modern world is different to what it was 50 years ago. Mentalities are different. Open your eyes and get out from the rock you're under.

As for the stuff they're doing over there and the repurcussions:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3564626&thesection=news&thesubsection=world

A soldier kills a prisoner and the sum total of what happens is HE GETS FIRED?

Be ashamed of the audience as well then.If people didn't want to see this kind of stuff,CBS wouldn't air it.
It was hard not to see it. It was everywhere. Although after the first time I turn the channel. A letter doesn't mean much to them but I sent one anyway critisizing their handeling of the story. I'm no longer a member of their audience.

If the truth offends you,ignore it.Saves having to deal with it.

it has happend before, in Vietnam the Mai Ly massacre, the imprisoment of the the Japenesse in wwII, it is a bad image and I am hoping that the pics are fake, because thats not what Soilders are suppose to do, even if they are the enemy, refer back to the Geneva Convention, there are some guidlines for POWS

you disgust me.

those civilians didnt want that war. they just accepted it as a necessity of their government. the fact that dropping the bomb may have saved the lives of our soldiers is good, but that doesnt make the fact that we indiscriminatly killed innocents to terrorize a government into surrendering any easier to swallow.

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and on the pictures being televised, whether it was right or wrong in the war effort to do so, CBS didnt do anything wrong in of itself. you see, theres this thing called the first admendment, and it provides this thing called freedom of the press. it doesnt day "freedom of the press in times of peace" it just says "freedom of the press." end of discussion.

and i still fail to see how this will cost the lives of our troops. i mean really. provide me with evidence that printing the picture of that little vietnamese girl being burned alive by napalm caused increased deaths of our soldiers, and i might believe you, otherwise, it is merely blatant regurgation of whatever administration official said it first.

So now you have the inside scoop of what Japanese civilians were thinking :rolleyes: There was a thread in the philosophy forum about the atom bombs dropped on Japan. Read it.

Freedom of the press doesn't mean freedom to do whatever it wants whenever it wants. Perhaps you've heard the term 'liable' before. I do not think CBS was wrong in this case, but just saying freedom of the press as somehow carte blanche to print whatever they want is naive.













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Giong back on the subject of the mistreated prisoners in Iraq. Further investigations showed that 1200 (don't know the exact count) Afghan prisoners were also killed and/or tortured

1200 Afgan prisoners tortured and/or killed?

Who led that investigation. Clouseau? :rolleyes:













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1200 Afgan prisoners tortured and/or killed?

Who led that investigation. Clouseau? :rolleyes:
LOL typo buddy, it was like 22 prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, 12that were labled as death by natural or undertermined cause and another 10 deaths are still being investigated
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4901264/

Now that number (while terrible if true) sounds like a possibility.

I hope they determine the truth about those 10. I am all for harsh punishments, but those should not be determined by the jailer.













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It is sad to see such things, especially from the army that promises peace and some idiotic soldiers ruin their whole effort for the year...Well I read some more that the only punishment for the majority is non-criminal, sorta just a "your fired" type of deal. The soldiers kept stating that it was from a higher order and were INSTRUCTED to follow through

If the truth offends you,ignore it.Saves having to deal with it.
You have absolutely no idea what I am talking about do you?

So, so stacking someone naked and making them simulate sex with eachother is NOT mistreatment? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CALL IT THEN?

umm i said that that was the bad part READ IT DANG IT. Oh and about the mistreatment the only thing wrong our guys did is to take pictures, and put them in disgusting positions.

Just because you read a quote from one Japanese person saying they agreed on the war does not mean the whole country did. Wake up. If America went all out apeshit nuts on Iraq and just took out everything in its path, the diplomatic effect would be HUGE. Everyone would try distance themselves from the US. You'd be stuck on your own.

Japan was going to give a warning to the US, but it arrived something like 45 minutes after the attack started.


warn·ing ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wôrnng)
n.
An intimation, threat, or sign of impending danger or evil.

Advice to beware.
Counsel to desist from a specified undesirable course of action.
A cautionary or deterrent example.
Something, such as a signal, that warns.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=warning

its really nice to give them ahaed of time.
also tell me how you would have gone ahead with the invasion of Iraq how would you do it? Like i said in ww2 Hitler put military base's and equipment by schools and houses, people still do that, yes we have much smarter weapons but you sometimes have to take the chance and try to hit those sites, if you hit that city, that is the price to pay, thats a type of total war, tell me a "modern" war we've won without total war. Id really like to know, the days of armys only attacking each other is over, tell me that you can always avoid civilian deaths, i dont know where i said that that was a good thing gosh, im under a rock? i cant believe how naive people can be, you guys think that war is a pretty thing, its not. Its not a wonderfull we will be home in by christmas. If you think too much about politics and if ppl will like you after a war you lose. We nuked Japan, to end a war, is that pretty? no, its what you do to win. war is dirty and hellish. you guys just dont want to believe that, what those soldiers did is not right, but ive talked to people in the Vietnam war and this war, its not pretty, stuff like this happens alot its just that these people got caught, its sad but true. Im sorry for trying to tell you guys the truth.

War isn't pretty, that's right. Don't tell me that, tell the Americans who freaked out about the photos of the coffins on the plane.

well i wish more Americans knew war is not pretty, most of them thought this war would be.

They're ripping our soldiers apart and dragging them through the streets and this crap is the stuff most of you guys have to bicker over? Our soldiers are doing a fine job. Going in there with daises in our barrles is not the way to go. Did the terrorists not intentionally hijack planes that were closer in location to the WTC just so they would have more jet fuel and be more explosive? What kind of pussy crap is that? n Talk about us fighting a cheap war. The scoundrels we are fighting won't even show their faces. Its a shame we have to tear through a country like we did just to find a bunch of guys interested in nothing more than creating chaos and killing any person that does not follow Islam or love the middle-east.




Oh, and HELLO!! We're saving your asses Iraqi's!

They're ripping our soldiers apart and dragging them through the streets and this crap is the stuff most of you guys have to bicker over? Our soldiers are doing a fine job. Going in there with daises in our barrles is not the way to go. Did the terrorists not intentionally hijack planes that were closer in location to the WTC just so they would have more jet fuel and be more explosive? What kind of pussy crap is that? n Talk about us fighting a cheap war. The scoundrels we are fighting won't even show their faces. Its a shame we have to tear through a country like we did just to find a bunch of guys interested in nothing more than creating chaos and killing any person that does not follow Islam or love the middle-east.




Oh, and HELLO!! We're saving your asses Iraqi's!
Dude, I'd like for you to tell me how exactly the Americans are helping the Iraqi people? Understandibly that they got that crazy man outta there but what after? They re-routed most pipe lines to Israel refineries, their killing many thousand civilians, the country is in a worse state now then it was under the dictatorship of so-damn-insane. As far as turning that country democratic, nuh uh, not going to happen...I mean look at Afghanistan, what happened there? They came, they bombed, they left. IF you follow the news then you would read up that the taliban are slowly regaining control, province by province. The central intelligence secretary put into power in afghanistan suddenly "dissappeared" with his bodyguards. Niw what kind of peace keeping is that?

You have absolutely no idea what I am talking about do you?

Er,yes,actually,I do.

I just happen to think that you are wrong.If you choose not to deal with the concept that other people may see things differently,then clearly,your problem is bigger than I first thought.

They're ripping our soldiers apart and dragging them through the streets and this crap is the stuff most of you guys have to bicker over?



Pick cant read.



[Please don't bleat about the treatment of coalition captives at the hands of the defending forces,if you believe that somehow two wrongs against entirely unconnected individuals somehow make a right,I'm not interested in your valueless opinion]

well i wish more Americans knew war is not pretty, most of them thought this war would be.


Okay, so you have no problem with this footage being shown on TV then, along with the pictures of American soldiers' coffins draped in flags? Good.

umm i said that that was the bad part READ IT DANG IT.

My bad, I misread you, I apologise.

Did the terrorists not intentionally hijack planes that were closer in location to the WTC just so they would have more jet fuel and be more explosive? What kind of pussy crap is that? n Talk about us fighting a cheap war. The scoundrels we are fighting won't even show their faces. Its a shame we have to tear through a country like we did just to find a bunch of guys interested in nothing more than creating chaos and killing any person that does not follow Islam or love the middle-east.

Someone remind me again how it was Iraq that pulled off September 11?

The prejudice apparent here sickens me. Would this war really would have got off the ground so easily if Iraqis were white?

Being white doesn't guarantee you a fair and reasonable hearing from Uncle Sam....just ask the French.

Good point.

Er,yes,actually,I do.

I just happen to think that you are wrong.If you choose not to deal with the concept that other people may see things differently,then clearly,your problem is bigger than I first thought.

That's what I thought. You have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about.

That's what I thought. You have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about.

Let's get it crystal clear....I know EXACTLY what you are talking about and I believe you are wrong.That much is my right,and if you can't cope with the concept,you are a freaking moron.CBS DID NOTHING WRONG IN EXPOSING THE FACT THAT THERE ARE WAR CRIMINALS WITHIN THE ALLIED FORCES.

If any additional harm comes to American citizens,it should be blamed on the assholes who behaved like animals,not on the people who stopped them.

[QUOTE=Toksin]Okay, so you have no problem with this footage being shown on TV then, along with the pictures of American soldiers' coffins draped in flags? Good.[QUOTE]


If the family of the American soldiers that died have no problem of the pics of the coffins shown I have no problem, we should be shown that these people died for us and their government, also i dont understand which footage you are talking about theres a lot of footage shown.

[QUOTE=Toksin]Okay, so you have no problem with this footage being shown on TV then, along with the pictures of American soldiers' coffins draped in flags? Good.[QUOTE]


If the family of the American soldiers that died have no problem of the pics of the coffins shown I have no problem, we should be shown that these people died for us and their government, also i dont understand which footage you are talking about theres a lot of footage shown.
Not all war footage is shown on the press. They only show things that arent too grewsome for public viewing, if you've seen any pictures of the 'real' war then it's much more digusting. I honestly believe that those poor soldiers have died for a lie...it's sad yet true

Not all war footage is shown on the press. They only show things that arent too grewsome for public viewing, if you've seen any pictures of the 'real' war then it's much more digusting. I honestly believe that those poor soldiers have died for a lie...it's sad yet true

ya, not all of it is shown i was asking about what footage that was shown that he was talking about.

Let's get it crystal clear....I know EXACTLY what you are talking about and I believe you are wrong.That much is my right,and if you can't cope with the concept,you are a freaking moron.CBS DID NOTHING WRONG IN EXPOSING THE FACT THAT THERE ARE WAR CRIMINALS WITHIN THE ALLIED FORCES.

If any additional harm comes to American citizens,it should be blamed on the assholes who behaved like animals,not on the people who stopped them.

I never argued with you disagreeing with me. I never said it wasn't your right to do so. My point all along hasn't been that I thought CBS shouldn't have exposed the mistreatment of Iraqi war criminals and enemy combatants. My point was there was a better way to do it rather than the way they chose to do it. They accomplished exactly what they wanted to acomplish which was to grab ratings reguardless of the reprocussions. They did that by plastering pictures on the T.V. that only served to humiliate and degrade and enrage. The story could have been disclosed without that.


Calling me a moron? Hopefully the mirrors are clearer than your crystals where you come from.

I never argued with you disagreeing with me. I never said it wasn't your right to do so. My point all along hasn't been that I thought CBS shouldn't have exposed the mistreatment of Iraqi war criminals and enemy combatants. My point was there was a better way to do it rather than the way they chose to do it. They accomplished exactly what they wanted to acomplish which was to grab ratings reguardless of the reprocussions. They did that by plastering pictures on the T.V. that only served to humiliate and degrade and enrage. The story could have been disclosed without that.


Calling me a moron? Hopefully the mirrors are clearer than your crystals where you come from.
How do you suppose would have been a 'better' way of doing it, just outta curiosity. I'm not trying to start anything, I just wanna know your view on how they could have proceeded to show these ipctures to the public

Why did they need to show them? Remember not to long after the war started and captured coalition forces were shown on TV? Remember the outrage? Remember that it was decided that it was cruel and unusual punishment? Remember they stopped showing them? What has changed? That they are exploiting Iraqis? It's ok to show them but not us?
Did they forget what they learned? No. They just decided it didn't matter. People will pay with their lives because it only served to outrage the militants even more. Remember how you felt seeing the films about the attacks on the coalition men that were torn apart and dragged through the streets? Look at the consequences of that. If the films weren't shown and the report came out about what happened would it have made you less angry? It would have for me. We may have been able to go in with less fire power and less people would have been killed. Because of the graphic depiction of those attacks we got angry and demanded an eye for an eye. I heard people who just the week before wanted us out of Iraq say that they hoped we would go in and do the same to them.

There are ways of breaking a story and letting the truth be known and there are ways to get better ratings at any cost.

you are a freaking moron.
Hmmmm We got us a MOD doing some name calling? Seems to me some of the MODS could practice the civility they preach.

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Hmmmm...

If the truth offends you,ignore it.Saves having to deal with it.

Simply saying, 'Today it was announced that several american soldiers were brought up on charges of prisoner abuse at abu gharib prison, among the counts against them were charges of....' etc.

Notice that when a serial killer is tried for murder, the TV doesn't show the crime scene photographs of the people he's accused of killing? It's the truth isn't it? Why don't they show it? Maybe because it's disgusting, degrading to the people in the pictures and people don't need to see it.

The news humiliated those Iraqis MUCH more than those soldiers did, because now EVERYONE with a TV or newspaper in the world has seen pictures of them butt naked doing whatever the soldiers were having them do, as opposed to hearing about it.

Nice one CBS, chalk another one up for the American media doing ANYTHING to get ratings...

Hmmmm We got us a MOD doing some name calling? Seems to me some of the MODS could practice the civility they preach.


Hmmmm...

Hatter...if you intend to quote me,quote me properly.

the original line was.......
and if you can't cope with the concept,you are a freaking moron

Now please...stop it. Nobody here likes you.Please go away.

Anyone who claims to be a vietnam era vet is completely up themselves.If you didn't see active service,don't try to imply that you did.There's no glory in spending your draft cleaning latrines at some huge army base in Arizona.

Ignore the man behind the curtain...Oh wait that would be Oz....anyway, I like you hatter. Stick around a while.

Simply saying, 'Today it was announced that several american soldiers were brought up on charges of prisoner abuse at abu gharib prison, among the counts against them were charges of....' etc.

Notice that when a serial killer is tried for murder, the TV doesn't show the crime scene photographs of the people he's accused of killing? It's the truth isn't it? Why don't they show it? Maybe because it's disgusting, degrading to the people in the pictures and people don't need to see it.

The news humiliated those Iraqis MUCH more than those soldiers did, because now EVERYONE with a TV or newspaper in the world has seen pictures of them butt naked doing whatever the soldiers were having them do, as opposed to hearing about it.

Nice one CBS, chalk another one up for the American media doing ANYTHING to get ratings...
I don't think that was the best example to use. ONE, a murder is a crime but unfortunantly happens everyday that it does not to be publicy anylised (sp?). SECOND, anything major happening will be in the news, something like a pop star molesting children will have pictures, backround interviews and everything about the case, ratings is what they feed off. THIRD, what they did was against the geneva regulations, which ironically is what the Americans went into Iraq to combat against. There is no need to see it but peple who watch the news watch it to be informed of what is happenening not only locally but internationally as well.

What about John Kerry's actions in Vietnam. When he returned he was on the Dick ??? Show(I can't remember what the last name of the guy was). He admitted to burning down huts and taking part in other actions there? It was on Hannity and Colmes if anyone saw it.