Z06 Vs WRX

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Story: 500$ bet, WRX kills Z06, Z06 owner refuses to pay

you forgot the part where the zo6 owners friend beat up the wrx owner...

Two things here.. first off, the guy in the wrx states that its a"import vs domestic" race and that its "stock vs. stock"......... that my friends is no stock wrx, just listen to the engine when it takes off, it definitely ain't stock.

second, the wrx looks like it takes off and starts waaaaay before the Z06 and the Z06 doesn't even floor it when he takes off......... Now before anyone starts getting up in my face, please, I ain't trying to start any wars here but all i'm saying is when they take off you can barely hear the engine of the corvette Z06 not to mention that with a hard launch the Z06 woulda been spinning the tyres and yet in the clip he barely spins them at all off the launch coz he launched so slow.

eh, the driver in the wrx was no doubt an experienced driver, but i doubt he'd be taking a Z06 in a stock for stock race and I doubt he'd take a Z06 with a driver as good as him. good vid anyway, always love to see those awesome 4wd launches.

sti stock v.s z06 stock will be more fair.. hehe
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without knowing the mods on the wrx, you can't say that.
300whp in a wrx gets your 11's.
with a bad driver...

if he's a crappy driver, the zo6 driver shouldn't have bet 500 bucks. end of story...
and it was on tape!
and they put his license plate number on tape... hehe...

300hp 11sec wrx very unlikley but then agian who knows.. but the stock wrx makes 300hp but only does low 13... even with some mods to make 300whp i dont think it can get into 11sec that easily 11sec cars are really really fast..
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wrong.
stock sti runs 13's. not the wrx.

my friend's wrx (before he sold it) ran 11.5ish (bad driver) with 328whp.

very unlikely? no.

it depends on where the power is at, and how it's made. that car was capable (as it sat) of making about 450hp, just not tuned there yet.

ALSO:
i said 300WHP, not 300hp.

300hp in the sti is at the crank.

keep in mind that the 227hp wrx makes 160ish whp.
so 300whp is far more than a crank 300, like the sti.

so an sti, making, say, 220ish at the wheels, is running 13's.

make sense?

yea i ment sti for sum reason i wrote wrx.. and the sti has about 240hp@wheels...
but i see where you are comming form..
it about tunning the powerband and getting it all down to the floor..
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that was the biggest bunch of pussy shit.. holy moly...


either walk away and forget about the race and your friend and his car getting smacked or beat the shit out of them and take their wallets. Not really a point in talking about it. geez.



And calling the cops? Holy crap what a moron.. person who called the cops probaly is one of those dumbasses who like to say "fuck da police" too.. geez. that makes me mad.

13's is not hard to hit.. every second you get lower in the 1/4 mile it isn't as easy and will take a bunch more.

Granted the WRX can launch with the AWD their 0-60 is 4.9 if the vette driver could drive it should've been closer. I've seen stock Z06's pull 4 flat to mid 4's, can't believe the dude took out money.. no brains.

Jesush christ these guys are childish idiots. (the video) all of em.

serious though if the zo6 owner or friend would have pulled some shit like that out there were I live trust me you would never see him again. :nono: In regards to the race everyone saw it the zo6 lost fair and square, pretty sad but none the less fair. the wrx beat the driver not the car, its his fault for racing for money if you cant drive dont race, launch or no launch. If the zo6 was a better driver it would have been a closer race because the second race the zo6 was playing catch up.

The Z06 driver sucks. Obviously he doesn't know to to drive that well (Hey we all had to learn to drive, it takes time). Irregardless the WRX driver shouldn't have been beat up. That's why I don't race for money. People will always cop out, and when stakes are rasied tempers flare. $500 is alot for anybody. Heck that's a car payment practically. I've had people come up to me grilling me to race them for money. You never know what the WRX driver might've said to the Z06 owner to get him to run. I doubt anyone will ever run the Z06 owner again at those races, atleast not for money.

yeah the z06 driver obviously cant drive. a wrx shouldnt touch the z06. the wrx was definantly not stock one bit. i bet the wrx owner lied just to win the 500 big ones.

I still remember this race I had on San Fernando Rd. This guy and his buddies approached me. I had a basically stock, at the time, Z28. He said, "you wanna race the SS?". I asked him if he had any mods. He told me no, and that it wasn't really even an SS, just a Z28 with the body kit of the SS. He asked if I would race for money. I kept telling him no. They seemed quite insistant on racing for money. I then told them I had none. He said, let's just race then. I raced this fool, and let me tell you, THAT CAR WAS NOT STOCK!!!!!! I blew him away launch wise. I must've had a good car length on him from the launch. Once I scratched second I saw something i've never seen, a car passing me like I was parked. He must've put atleast 5 car lengths on me (From his rear bumper).

Z06 = 12.5 1/4 mile, 0-60 mph in 3.9 seconds(stock)
STI = 13.3 1/4 mile, 0-60 mph in 5.1 seconds(stock)
Stock Subaru with equal drivers is not going to win.

obviously this imprezza wasn't stock.First thing i noticed was front mount intercooler an you could just hear the turbo spool(sweet sound)

The z06 driver can't drive for shyt.He's those type of people that buy the car and can never unleash wut it is truly capable of.Man did that wrx launch hard.

Thats what i was saying all along. the wrx driver "claims" in the vid that his car is totally stock and then flames the vette for not paying up................well i sure as hell wouldn't pay up if some asshole came up to me and said his car was stock and wanted to race for cash and then it turns out his car ain't stock at all. WRX driver shoulda been honest from the start, then maybe the vette driver woulda paid him fair and square.

from the other threads/sites i've seen this on...
the wrx owner opened the hood for him and everything...

if you're an idiot enough to look under the hood of a wrx (a non-stock one) and still consider it stock enough to race with your zo6 for money...

your loss.

turbo spool? you couldn't really hear it...
at the launch, he was sitting on the rev limiter and sidestepping the clutch to kill the vette on the launch...

at any rate, you shouldn't go racing someone for money when they tell you their car is stock...

if the zo6 owner took the bait, that's his problem...

Oh ya - I would take a Subaru WRX/Sti over a CORVETTE anyday...


:rolleyes:

if that's agreement, then my point stands beautifully...

Word.

stupid.....z06 driver should have pid straight up....u race for $.....u loose u pay....i'm sure that if the WRX lost he would have paid....should have noticed omething when he wouldn't let anyone hold his money...the Z06 owner probably was broke and thought he could easily win $500

more info on the wrx I found :grinno:

Engine/Transmission mods: Greddy T67 custom turbo kit, custom downpipe, HKS manifold, turbonetics wastegate, turbonetics boost controller, HKS catback, HKS intake, Turbo XS RFL, Blitz FMIC
Suspension/Wheels mods: Konig imagines, Yokohama Prada Spec 2, Tein S tech springs
12.674 @ 108.34 @ a little over 14 psi.
1.83 60' time

That would've been a pretty damn good race if the Z06 owner could drive. Z06's consistently break into 12's stock, and if that WRX is in the 12's...



Learn to drive, people!

more info on the wrx I found :grinno:

Engine/Transmission mods: Greddy T67 custom turbo kit, custom downpipe, HKS manifold, turbonetics wastegate, turbonetics boost controller, HKS catback, HKS intake, Turbo XS RFL, Blitz FMIC
Suspension/Wheels mods: Konig imagines, Yokohama Prada Spec 2, Tein S tech springs
12.674 @ 108.34 @ a little over 14 psi.
1.83 60' time


Ouch for the Vettte owner! hahaha....

Damn.. isn't a mid 12 kinda slow for a car to have such a large turbo?

there is just no way if that car is stock that it can beat a zo6. If that owner wanted a real race he could have raced my 1989 corvette but while your at this he should have showed his engine to the owner of the z06.

you guys are saying that the z06 driver sux. The wrx launched from redline or had an ecu that had launch control. Plus he had a fmic. I haven't seen a wrx w/ a fmic and not haveing a bigger turbo. With a bigger turbo it could make 300whp easily. If the wrx owner told him it was stock it was a flatout lie and if the z06 owner thought it was then he's an idiot.

if you read what i posted earlier, you'll notice that on another forum, the wrx owner did NOT call his car stock, and he DID show the vette owner his engine.

a car with a turbo that size may take a while to spool, and if he's not launching right, could be worse than a stocker.

since this wasn't on a track where we can compare time slips, you really can't say the zo6 driver sucked, and you can't tell how quick the wrx is either.

so it could be an 11 second wrx and a 12 second zo6.

bottom line, you weren't there.
you don't know.

but everyone analyzes these videos like they were there, like they know the driver, like they know the conditions of the street they were on...

Engine/Transmission mods: Greddy T67 custom turbo kit, custom downpipe, HKS manifold, turbonetics wastegate, turbonetics boost controller, HKS catback, HKS intake, Turbo XS RFL, Blitz FMIC
Suspension/Wheels mods: Konig imagines, Yokohama Prada Spec 2, Tein S tech springs
12.674 @ 108.34 @ a little over 14 psi.
1.83 60' time
That's a large turbo. He should be running faster times then that with that big a hair dryer. I'd say he'd win most any Z06 on the street because of the advantage of AWD.

no fuel upgrade and no management?
He is driving a timebomb!

sorry to be boring, but i would be grateful if someone could explain the difference to me between, whp, bhp, rwhp, hp, hp at the wheels, etc. i keep getting lost in these threads when im not sure exactly how much power these cars are putting out..

thanks, michael

sorry to be boring, but i would be grateful if someone could explain the difference to me between, whp, bhp, rwhp, hp, hp at the wheels, etc. i keep getting lost in these threads when im not sure exactly how much power these cars are putting out..

thanks, michael

rwhp= rear wheel horse power
whp= wheel horse power
hp @ wheels= pretty self explanitory

hp= horse power at the flywheel
bhp=brake horse power ( used mainly in the UK and Europe)

The first three are the same and the last two are the same.

Generally speaking on a 2wd vehicle the driveline loss for a manual trans car is about 18% where on an automatic it is closer to 20%. So if someone quotes RWHP add the approx percentage to give you a rough idea what the horsepower at the flywheel would be.

well some horsepower is lost in translation from engine through the drivetrain and to the wheels. usually theres about 18% loss of hp from engine to the wheels, thats why engine hp is always higher than what it actually is at the wheels.

whp or rwhp= wheel or rear wheel horsepower, meaning how much hp its actually putting to the floor after the hp loss through drivetrain.

bhp or hp= blueprinted Horsepower or horsepower, basically what horsepower the car has at the engine.

thanks, that was very helpful.

I watched the race vid over and over. There is NO WAY in hell that subbie has a T67 turbo with external wastgate on it. You would hear the turbo spooling, plus the external venting like mad! Couple that in with the nearly instant boost regain on a shift. Unless he is running anti-lag, which he isn't it sounded more like a factory turbo or at least one with an internal wastegate.
The fact he is running a front mount wouldn't give him shit all power increase, maybe if your lucky about 20hp on those cars. What many of you are forgetting is the VERY short gear ratio's the WRX has. They are not nor have they ever been built for top speed.
They are also quite a bit lighter than the Z06, which I am sure the Z06 isn't far off the C5 in weight. The Vette was also an auto which doesn't help, or atleast it sounded like an auto.

At the end of the day, if you agree to race and lose pay up.

well I'll start by saying I'm up at altitued so the times will be different. A few guys I hung out with last night do a bit of drag racing. On of them had a wrx with around 190 whp and lined up next to a c5 and walked him down the track missed a shift into 3rd and beat him by .2 sec. Average times here are 14.2 for a corvette and a 13.75 if they're good drivers. on the stock turbo a guy just did a 13.38.

If I am not mistake, I believe that all Z06 Corvettes are 6 speeds. As for the race itself I agree with one of the previous posts thats says there are too many variables that none of us can possibly know. If the Subaru driver did infact pop his hood and let the Z06 driver look, and the Z06 driver still chose to take the race, thats ignorance on his part. All in all I think it was a good race, but the things that happened at the end (with the Z06 passenger getting pissed and decking the Subaru driver) I think thats one of the most childish things I have ever seen. That just kinda shows that the Z06 driver DID agree to the 500 dollars, cause there is no reason to get out and punch someone who just beat you in a race if it was just for fun. SImply put the Z06 driver lost, got pissed, and decided to take out his frustration on the Subaru driver. I think the Subaru driver got the shaft all the way around =/.

Rob

all manual c5's were 6 speeds.
all zo6's are manuals.

i agree on your logic...
why get so mad that you hit someone, if it was just for fun...

big IF there

if you read what i posted earlier, you'll notice that on another forum, the wrx owner did NOT call his car stock, and he DID show the vette owner his engine.

a car with a turbo that size may take a while to spool, and if he's not launching right, could be worse than a stocker.

since this wasn't on a track where we can compare time slips, you really can't say the zo6 driver sucked, and you can't tell how quick the wrx is either.

so it could be an 11 second wrx and a 12 second zo6.

bottom line, you weren't there.
you don't know.

but everyone analyzes these videos like they were there, like they know the driver, like they know the conditions of the street they were on...

Exactly!

They made a bet; the Z06 lost TWICE, and then didn't pay up. Those are the facts, and I agree completely with flylwsi. You can't say which car should be faster or which driver is better. This was not done in a controlled situation and you weren't there.

The fact remains that the Z06 owner is a little bitch that made a bet that his ass couldn't cash. He is scum, and that is all there is to it. This is why I would avoid racing for money. I do it for sheer fun.

thanks poly.
i get sick of the people who (regardless of what happened in the video) start claiming that someone can't drive, or that someone doesn't run the times they say.

were you there?
did you see the street conditions?
do you know where they shifted?
did they run a whole 1/4 mile?

no.

quit making assumptions.
we all know what happens when we assume, right kids?

Most of the people where i'm from don't race for money, for this exact reason. Because there are whiny bitches like the Z06 owner in the video, so we do it for fun, unless you go to Paxton.

well if the wrx had UTEC then he would be on boost the whole time. Its realy cool you just programe what rpm you want to rev to(for the launch) and you will rev that high in between shifts too. Never have to take your foot off the gas. He would also have fuel and boost control.

i have a friend who had a highly modded wrx and he would easily take me off the line by more than 5 car lengths but my car would real him in and pass him before the 1/4. the zo6 should have easily passed him

I thought that video was funny. My opion...Z06 had no idea what he was doing and the WRX did. I think the guys hould have kept his word to pay. BUt hey like it was said before I was not there and can only laugh at the video.

Anyone want to race for 500? My car is stock.