The GS-T undergoing surgery

On my stock T2Small turbo is shooting oil out the exhaust so i'm about to upgrade. I went ahead and ordered the Small 16g from Bushcur Racing for $465 and then the 2g install kit from Diamond Star Motorsports.com for $265. Very expensive but should be more than happy with the results.In a few weeks i'm order the injectors and pump to help it. What size injectors and pump should i go with and what else do i need, something to control the injectors.

your 450cc are good for now but if u want to i say go 650cc its good for now and later on when u plan on making more power...
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ouch 95, should have asked where the best deals were, thats Expensive!

Dude I looked all around and couldnt find any cheaper places, I wanted a brand new one from a respectible dealer and that is way cheaper than alot of places. http://www.diamondstarmotorsport.com/turboparts.shtml this is the install kit, half way down. Its a good one. http://www.buschurracing.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?5X376545 this is the small 16g turbo. You let me know where I could have gotten these cheaper.

Have you ever looked on ebay? I've seen quite a few nice new turbos go for pretty cheap. Might take a while to find what your looking for but the price is worth it. Ebay is where I got my EL guages and OBX high flow cat for about half price.

i just dont trust ebay with something this expensive and this important to my car.

agreed, ebay is just too risky...especially dealing with a turbo! I am looking at getting a Big 16G Turbo, I will probably need 650cc injectors, new fpr, fuel pump and some kind of fuel management system...am i correct? What is the best fuel management system to get...then soon after this i should probably get a dsmlink to start tuning it all up right? Or should i get the dsmlink first off and start tuning now?

DSMlink is fuel management. If you're going to ever get it, might as well get it now so you don't have to bother tuning with lesser equipment. :)

so get the dsmlink before the next upgrades?
or would you prefer some of the management system?

or would you prefer some of the management system?

I don't get what you mean, but in order to tune your 16g you'll need SOMETHING, and DSMlink is the best. If you want to get it in the future, make it happen soon after you get the new turbo and fuel setup.

slowboyracing sells turbos on ebay. so, you can get an evo316g for 520 right now. and the 2g install kit is $179 @ forcedperformance.

install kit

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=FP2GK16G&Category_Code=UNIV-GSFL

evo316g

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2476122973&category=33742

thats $31 cheaper with a better turbo.

ok check the link i sent for the install kit I have coming in and look at the one you sent, Look at the diffrence. Thats y I didnt buy the one from Forcedperformance. I looked at it but didnt like it. And how is that evo16g cheaper by $31, go back to make class, I paid $465 for my 16g

go back to make what? i said the total is 31 buck cheaper with the evo 3 16 & install kit that what you bought. you asked me to find you a less expensive kit... didnt you?

i mean more power to you if you want to pull off your 02 housing, and manifold to put on new gaskets, and use dejon tubes, that you'll replace when you buy a front mount intercooler. its not a bad package if you plan on porting your 02 and manifold before installing the 16g. it all depends on what you want to do.. its a nice kit..

why exactly do you think you have to port the manifold and O2 housing before you can run a 16g? not every setup with a larger turbo means you need to get the manifold and O2 housing ported... yes its a plus but not everyone gets boost creep if thats what you are refering to, plus there are ways to fix that without porting, its called turning up the boost!... and so what if he bought a 16g and not the Evo III, he has his opinions and you have yours... he wanted that one so he bought it, hes not spending your money is he, no... then dont bash him for it! not trying to be a dick but if you went out and bought the Evo III and i bashed you cause you spent $700 on a 16g when i can get a 20g for that would that be right?!?! so yes its fair to give your opinion but dont bash people while doing it!

the thing is , you get water lines, oildrain line w/ screws, and a exhaust mainafold gasket... with the daimond star and with the fast performance you dont... I went with a www.slowboyracing,com install kit, no mainafold gasket no waterlines no oildrain pipe no screws, but 2 pipes for the IC... well you dont really need that mainafold of anyways, and the waterlines are bendable... why didnt you just get a T28? alot easyer...

wasnt bashing. i'm happy he got what he wants. as for you.. cool down. if somone asks where they can get somthing cheaper, and i answer it, i dont pertain that as being a dick, or slaming anyone.

oh i never said you were being a dick... i said sorry for me sounding like a dick, i wasnt tring to be one! and i'm cool, i wasnt mad or anything it just seemed like you were bashing him cause he bought something that was pretty close in price to a better product... oh well!

i wouldnt bash anyone for having an opion, unless they were driving a honda.

lmao... right on! just checkin :thumbsup:

I was thinking about the evo16g but I was on a budget and everyone I talked to said to run the big or evo you NEED bigger injectors and pump and a dsmlink or similair. But they also said with the small 16 you dont need those things right away, but to get the most out of it you will need those things later.

Thats what i am wondering also, with the evo or big how soon will you need the injectors etc.?

i thought it was immeditly if your run high boost, so you wont get fuel cut. i aslo thought with a larger turbo on a stock 4g63, you might loose performance untell ou upgrade your fuel system.. and get some type of controler. asfc or dsmlink.

Thats what i was afraid of, that means i will have a while before i can get anything then...damn once you start moddin you really don't want to quit till its finished! with the evo would 550cc works or just get the 650cc?

Well the turbo should be coming in a few days, I'll take some pics and stuff of the parts and the install process to help others out. What is the boost lvl i should set the small 16g at to start off with so i wont get fuel cut. what size injecs and pump should i go with. And could anyone tell me what all i need to get for the DSMlink

WOOHOOOO, I just found out I have the EPROM ECU for my car and that is good news, Im sure soon enough I will need to purchase the DSMLink. I have a Small 16g coming, and i will probley get the 660c injectors and a 255 or supra fuel pump soon and once i get those i will need that damn $500+ DSMLink :)

255 supra pump. i've never read anything on those, any good?. walbro 195 would be fine, but i think the 255 is the same price. make sure to buy dsmlink first. before you buy your injectors, and fuel pump. because you'll need to have somthing get the injectors to work with your car, it will run veary poorly without a fuel comuter to correct your global settings and dead time. dsmlink is programed to work really well with some specific fuel injectors, some injectors that say 650cc only really flow a max of 600cc, so you have to read about witch one your going to go with. its all about matching the compnents up so they work together correctly, and efficently. if i were you, i read the flow charts from a couple types of 550cc - 700cc injectors, i would recomend looking at lowimpedence, non-ball style. some people like ball style, ball style are like a squirt gun spraying a thin line of water, non-ball is like having a wide spray. also look at how much fuel you will be needing when boosting, and read the flow charts from a walbro or supra pumps you'll need to match lb/min to injectors dont forget to give yourself ATLEAST 10% to grow if not more depending on your budget. you dont want to max your pump or injectors out. you want to be able to tune +/- with dsmlink. i strongly suggest buying dsmlink before doing anything.....seriously.... get a good understading of your stock fuel maps, learn the datalog, learn the software, so you can compare your upgrades to your stock data and see where your loosing power, getting to much knock exc. Becasue dsmlink burns a defalt injector size into your computer so when you disconnect your battery you can still start your car with out to much tunning. go stock for now, learn the software, then put in your turbo, dive around do some logging, then stick your larger injectors in using the stock 450cc / "new size" -1 to tune to your new injectors. datalog the results, see where you pickup results, and tune a Small ammount at a time. if you stick everything into your car, and then buy dsmlink, you'll have no idea what your maps SHOULD look like. its a little easer this way. but.. its all up to you and your budget. good luck

thanks for the info, I would do it that way except for the part on buying the DSMLink and putting it in before the turbo. The reason is my turbo is shooting oil out the exhaust, thats not good. The car was sitting up for 2years before i got it running so i'm sure all the seals and crap in it is gone. So I have to get my new turbo on there first. I HOPE THAT IT IS THE TURBO. What else could it be, anyone. The guy that put my motor in said that is the first sign of the turbo is shot. So hopefully its not anything else. Well if it is the motor its still under a 3year warrenty. The supra pump is out of a Toyota Supra and the fit in the tank, They are a litle more expensive but the run alot quieter than the Walbro. I'll prob. get the supra pump and the 650c injectors just to be safr, but right now im on a college budget so it will take some time.

i have that oil thing checked out a little farter. let us know how it goes with the install..

i don't even think you really need dsmlink for the setup you are going for. DSMlink is a powerful tool. what intercooler are you running? and keeping the boost low you are probably going to see some creep. getting some bigger injectors and an SAFC would do you just fine.

yea, I just wanna check everything to see what my options are, I still have the stock intercooler. But i willl be getting the FMIC pretty soon, hopefully.

So if your not a huge racer, but more so a stop light one every once in a while a SAFC work better for you? or still go with the dsmlink? I still have stock smic and turbo so i don't need it yet, but wondering for the future

all i'm saying is that DSMlink is a very powerful thing. i would have to say that it is geared more towards the guy that is more into serious racing. SAFC would be more of the street side of tuning. i'm not trying to promote one over the other. but if you are not going to utilize the powers of the program...

Yea i'll probly get the SAFC, anygood links to some good prices, It will be about a year or so till I really start turning it into a straight drag car.So with the small 16g I should be fine with my stock injectors and pump for now, what boost should I set it to.

ok I installed the 16g and now i have the boost set to like 9psi, when i put the pedal to the floor i get like fuel cut at about 4500rpm, but if i dont put it all the way on the floor and it still boost about 10psi i can take it to redline, what could be the problem, should i drop boost mor.