Camaro vs. 240sx

My friend drives an 90 camaro a/t. He wants to race me after he beat a 97 prelude and a crx. I got a 92 240sx fastback, i figure an 8-cyl would beat a 4-cyl, so what do i need to beat him?

If he knows how to drive, you need about $8,000 - $10,000 depending on the current condition of you're car.
My brother's 2000' prelude ran 15.5 stock, and after a little bit of work he got it down to 15.1. V8 camaros can take that prelude out by a fair margin.

then i probably wont race him in drag. What if his camaro is the v6, instead of v8, cuz i juz saw it from the outside and it doesnt say iroc-z ?
Also, what are the chances in racing in a track?

ARE YOU OUT YOUR DAMN MINDS its a 90 Camaro meaning its slow as FUCK either in V6 form a V8 Forms, base the 240 would stick with it for awhile but yeah eventually the camaro would take it hitting 60mph plus. But dude if you do minor bolt ons and bring the output to 200hp or so you should kill any V6 camaro no mater what year. Camaros are SLOW in automatic and V6 form period!

im gonna check some more details tomorrow, we'll probably race this friday or next week. The only mod my car has is a clutch master that my cousin put b4 he sold it to me. I'll keep checking out for info.

Also, I am more like the strategical type of driver, is there any info on time shifting or gear ratio's for the 240?

ive beat a 95 v6 camaro once i hit 3rd gear it was over.But if it is a v8 i dont think you really have a chance.But i could be wrong.

i killed a v6 mustang when my car was stock, probably by 6 car links from a stop and from a 40 role. v8 or not its a 90 camero and they are SLOWWWWW!!!

my friend had a 94 prelude and beat a old 5.0 mustang, and i beat his prelude.

i killed a v6 mustang when my car was stock, probably by 6 car links from a stop and from a 40 role. v8 or not its a 90 camero and they are SLOWWWWW!!!

my friend had a 94 prelude and beat a old 5.0 mustang, and i beat his prelude.
BULLSHIT!! When did you ever beat my prelude, it was SOHC and i believe i beat you about 5 times, and you beat me...um....actually, you NEVER BEAT ME! :flipa:

HAHAHHA u guys are funny

ive ripped the shit out of eveyr older camaro i raced
most older camaros
are either completely done up
or complete pieces of shift


as for the 240sx
there all 10440534 hp machines and can rip any car on the road :-D

lol jk

my advice

find ur shift points

dont redline in every damn gear like a damn goof
for a near stock car id say redline shifting to 2nd

about 6200 to 3rd
and just under 6th for shifting into 4th,

u shouldnt even get to forth anyways

but make sure and dont wrecked ur damn cars
be safe
and wear ur damn seat belts

Its a fucking 90 camaro like he said
there both fucking slow unless the guy has some serious cash to throw away on an old ass automatic camaro

and do u think he is gonna waste his time on ricers if he did
have serious cash to throw in on it

plus he beat 2 ricers who prolly didnt know how to drive

if anything
race him
and if u lose, just scream cheater and tell him that hes racing out of his class v6 or v8 against 4banger!! CHEAAAATERRRRRRRRRR

at what should rpm should i start/launch to get a good start?

only one way to find out.......

at what should rpm should i start/launch to get a good start?


depends on how good ur clutch is, how much traction ur tires have

id say around 2000-2500, not too high because first gear is where ur gonan get him the most

ive noticed that i can pull on most cars thro 1st and 2nd, but once i hit 3rd they start pulling up on me for a bit


try just letting the clutch out first and as soon as u feel ur car grabbing mash the gas
or try riding ur clutch a little bit thro 1st gear to see if that works better
unless ur worried about runnin up ur clutch a bit than
just stick with the first one

i find its really hard to think about what i do when i race because it usually happens so fast and i just do what i do naturally

Third is really bad about pulling. Not to sound stupid, but a 50 shot of nitrous would do miracles for the third gear pull.

Camaro auto's are faster then the 6 speed, atleast with the LS1 engine.....


if it doesn't say IROC-Z z28 on the outside its slow. It can either have a truck based 305 TBI v8, which is terrible on HP, or a v6. The Z28's had the "better" TPI 305's and 350's....

On the asumption that the car was a V8, and the driver was fairly experianced it would take more than bolt on's to beat it. First gear is the only gear in your favor, if you break even on second gear then you might win, but you need to be like 6-10 car lenghts ahead of him by that time if you want to win at the 1320.

I raced against my dad's 72' Trans am (which he has 13.17 second time cards on). I got about 10 feet ahead of him for first gear, by the end of second gear he was 10 feet ahead of me, and as soon as I hit third gear he roared about 100-200 feet ahead of me.. at LEAST 100 feet ahead of me =(.

If it's a V6 camaro and the guy's not to bright, you might be able to take him I guess..

On stock launch I always faired better launching at 3200rpms and feathering the clutch a bit so you don't just slip. After I got some nice tires on there I've been launching as high as 4000 with out too many problems. Launching takes lots of practice though.

Tell you what, just don't race the quarter mile, if you race him on the 1/8th mile where your high torque/weight ratio is dominant, you have a very good chance of winning =)

What do the V8 camaros run? high 14's low 15's I thought..

I beat my friend's stick 96 V6 camaro, they are not that fast at all. They are very heavy compared to the 240sx. The 240sx has more hp per pound ratio. If it's a V8, don't be expecting it kill it unless you are running boost.

i've taken out old v-6 but goten whooped by LT-1 and slaughtered by LS-1 they zip damn quick as long as its straight

ummmm hello 1990 camaro!!

Take it from a guy who sold his lady bird three days ago, all stock V6 stangs, cams & Birds are crappy, these cars were built for economy, they were based on the V8 platform with a V6 block. I smoked a 2001 mustang V6 auto with my 1990 SHO, never lost to any of them, I beat them on take off and top speed, and my SHO had like 120K well maintained.
Now for the V8s' this is a whole nother level, I had the LT1 in mine and the only cars I lost to were a 2002 Cobra (cause it was new, smoked a 98 easy and my Bird had 95K), and a 95'Twin turbo Supra. I don't give a shit if my car was fresh of the line, I was smoked by the stang by maybe 8 cars, but the supra smoked him by almost 600ft, guess where it left me? We were left racing each other and never saw him, well I did six months later at advanced parking, turned out he was named Fred (what ever happened to the foot pedling rock auto he had on nickelodian??????).
Take him, the 90 birds even with the V8, were yet to receive the monstrous LT1, even I give respect, well, for now, but not for long though. The 90s' were slow, get some Nos and you got him, unless he has some mods then that, no hope, anything minor to the domestic V8 incredibly increases their output, thats how under rated they come from the factory, try a 541HP LT1 Firebird Naturally aspirated.

140-hp, 3.1-liter V-6
170-hp, 5.0-liter V-8
230-hp, 5.0-liter V-8
245-hp, 5.7-liter V-8



specs for 1992 camaros, and i believe they all had more hp than the 90

come on now 245 hp on a 5.7 liter

thats just SADDDDDDDDDDDD

to answer your question about lanching... if you have stock tires, bring it to 3000, if they arent stock, like pirellis for example or some bullshit, bring it to 3500. that is where you have most tourque before you get wheelspin. just try it you'll see. i killed a 92 v8 camaro off the lauch doing this, so it will work. by the way, i did lose the racce though... he caught up to me in the top end of 3rd... better hope your friends shit is a v6!

140-hp, 3.1-liter V-6
170-hp, 5.0-liter V-8
230-hp, 5.0-liter V-8
245-hp, 5.7-liter V-8



specs for 1992 camaros, and i believe they all had more hp than the 90

come on now 245 hp on a 5.7 liter

thats just SADDDDDDDDDDDD


yeah too bad chevy never made a 5.0... stick to talking about nissans, you seem to know more about that.

thnax for the info guys ill keep u posted

Third is really bad about pulling. Not to sound stupid, but a 50 shot of nitrous would do miracles for the third gear pull.
Indeed it does... I beat one of the newer Z28's by about 4 car lengths when I was running a 50 shot on my car.

yeah too bad chevy never made a 5.0... stick to talking about nissans, you seem to know more about that.
so whats the 305? goof ball how bout you stick to not talking at all.

yeah too bad chevy never made a 5.0... stick to talking about nissans, you seem to know more about that.

Well, then neither did Ford.... Chevy's 305 is actually closer to a 5.0 liter than ford's 302 is.

Ford 302 = 4.948572 liters
Chevy 305 = 4.99773 liters

140-hp, 3.1-liter V-6
170-hp, 5.0-liter V-8
230-hp, 5.0-liter V-8
245-hp, 5.7-liter V-8



specs for 1992 camaros, and i believe they all had more hp than the 90

come on now 245 hp on a 5.7 liter

thats just SADDDDDDDDDDDD


it saddens me your so ignorant. There is only one way to make an import fast, and thats to mod the shit out of it and BEAT THE LIVING PISS OUT OF IT. you always have to have the throttle down HARD and shift as fast as possible to get any sort of speed out of them. Now take a newer camaro, see the displacement does actually do something, because its the displacement that allows so much power to be made. The more displacement gives off more torque and lower in the powerband. So u can give ur civic 20% throttle and a camaro 15% throttle and the camaro will pull on it lol. Its obvious you have never driven a decent v8 powered car, I have. I used to think like u did that they sucked, thats until I drove a good one a lot....


yeah 215hp from 5.7L is pretty sad, its not like thats all they could do though lol, it had more to do with detuning it for the type of car people wanted to buy during that time frame.

but its not as bad as 105hp from a 2.2 Honda.....LMFAO
and compare the torque curve of the two engines and you will shit yourself. I don't see how people rag on american engines. If you know ANYTHING about power and using it, and have looked at a dyno chart for say a honda and then say a LT1 or a LS1 you should be shell shocked. Whats a B18C make, thats like Hondas top 4 banger and they put out like 100fwtorque on a dyno, thats at redline too, from 0-5000rpm they make like 30 lbs of torque... thats FUCKING sad

I was even watching a B18 acura with a t3/t4 turbo, intercooler, all the goodies and it looked like it was put together pretty decent. Made 130lbs of peak torque.... and thats at like 6000rpm. Put a turbo/supercharder on a LT1 or LS1 chevy and your peak torque will probably be about 450-500 on a stock engine at around 2500-3000rpm


a monkey could figure out what engine has more power.

my friend has a 96 Z28 which has a 350 in it and my 7 can stay right next to him till about 40 mph then hes blows by me, but mines also 5spd and his is auto so I can take him off the line... plus his tops out at 155 and mine tops around 130-135... anyways if its V8 you'll get smoked, if its V6 you'll smoke him... oh yea but my friend has a K&N intake and flow masters too soooo that could have more to do with it too :)

get i/h/e and wider tires and maybe upgrade clutch and you could hang with a V8 if its stock... maybe :)

Well, then neither did Ford.... Chevy's 305 is actually closer to a 5.0 liter than ford's 302 is.

Ford 302 = 4.948572 liters
Chevy 305 = 4.99773 liters
damn your anal on this kinda thing!


speaking of anal i got this one girl you might wanta hire for the night :evillol:

damn your anal on this kinda thing!


speaking of anal i got this one girl you might wanta hire for the night :evillol:

Haha, I just don't see how he's going to sit there and say that Chevy didn't have a 5.0, when in fact the 305 is closer to a 5.0 than fords 302, which they called the "5.0"

yeah too bad chevy never made a 5.0... stick to talking about nissans, you seem to know more about that.


well maybe u should inform cars.com they have there info wrong

jackass

look im not saying the camaros or slow or that they suck

i love the SS
im just saying that a 240sx against a 1990 camaro has a chance
and a good one at that
especially if its an automatic i mean come on

it really comes down to the better driver

and obviously this 240sx driver is not very experienced so yea he will prolly lose
either way ive beet older camaros and 5.0's on occasion
mostly the 5.0s just rip my ass off after 2nd gear, but still

the older camaros stock did suck ass

anyone wanna look up there quarter mile times?

240sx has what 160lbs of torque and 155hp on a car thats lighter and 5speed, come on now

were not talking about some 450hp v8 were talking about a 245hp 5.7 if hes lucky

and this guy is racing hondas
if u had a v8 that was fast would u be setting up races with
poor little 4 cylinders
come on its not worth tha $1.79 in gas

i admit that i may not be an experienced driver, but i do know more than some other people who pretend to b racers. I dont go out looking for races until i know for sure what i am doing, this guy challenged me. I also have respect other cars, maybe except geo metros. Ive had the 240 4 i month and it is faster and has more power than other cars that ive driven. If I was driving my old prelude or my friends eclipse gs, i wouldnt have accepted the challenge, but i know that the 240 has a lot more chance to race the camaro.

BTW I found out the guy has his camaro stock, rs v6. Supposively did something special to the car but i doubt it, the engine bay looked regular to me and the car didnt sound so good either.

we're racing tomorrow (friday)
should i waste an extra 10 cents/gal on super unleaded, synth oil or just race how it is?

my friend told me that i should take out the cat, put bosch +4 s.p. and put octane booster. He's willing to lend me a hand and lend me his slicks. I think it sounds good to do an early tune up but i dunno about the cat.

Any suggestions or comments?

slicks? hahaha you definately don't need slicks for this race. When my s14 was completely stock I raced my friends 92 RS (auto and 6cyl) and I had him by about 3 car lengths at 100mph.

As long as you don't mess up your shifting then you'll easily get him

all right thanxs

it saddens me your so ignorant. There is only one way to make an import fast, and thats to mod the shit out of it and BEAT THE LIVING PISS OUT OF IT. you always have to have the throttle down HARD and shift as fast as possible to get any sort of speed out of them. Now take a newer camaro, see the displacement does actually do something, because its the displacement that allows so much power to be made. The more displacement gives off more torque and lower in the powerband. So u can give ur civic 20% throttle and a camaro 15% throttle and the camaro will pull on it lol. Its obvious you have never driven a decent v8 powered car, I have. I used to think like u did that they sucked, thats until I drove a good one a lot....


yeah 215hp from 5.7L is pretty sad, its not like thats all they could do though lol, it had more to do with detuning it for the type of car people wanted to buy during that time frame.

but its not as bad as 105hp from a 2.2 Honda.....LMFAO
and compare the torque curve of the two engines and you will shit yourself. I don't see how people rag on american engines. If you know ANYTHING about power and using it, and have looked at a dyno chart for say a honda and then say a LT1 or a LS1 you should be shell shocked. Whats a B18C make, thats like Hondas top 4 banger and they put out like 100fwtorque on a dyno, thats at redline too, from 0-5000rpm they make like 30 lbs of torque... thats FUCKING sad

Dude, you bashing imports is the same as us bashing domestics. Aren't Camaros considered sports cars, while Integras "sports compact"? Why detune when they could try engineering something a little more efficient that produces the same power? VW GTI 1.8t, with minor mods really ups the ante... and thats from 1.8L, granted Americans are N/A.

What are you doing comparing an 8 cylinder to a 4 cylinder anyway? Totally in a different class. How about the S2000? People always forget that's a 4-banger and gets decent power for the car. Don't follow the same problems of being biased that import owners have against domestics, and domestics against imports.

Dude, you bashing imports is the same as us bashing domestics. Aren't Camaros considered sports cars, while Integras "sports compact"? Why detune when they could try engineering something a little more efficient that produces the same power? VW GTI 1.8t, with minor mods really ups the ante... and thats from 1.8L, granted Americans are N/A.

What are you doing comparing an 8 cylinder to a 4 cylinder anyway? Totally in a different class. How about the S2000? People always forget that's a 4-banger and gets decent power for the car. Don't follow the same problems of being biased that import owners have against domestics, and domestics against imports.



i think what he means by detuned was they had laws and regulations on cars in the 90's and they werent allowed to be as powereful or had to have certain requirements or somethin

Integra is about the only Honda I'd consider a sports car sans the s2000 and NSX. sport compact would be something like an Accord, Civic, Camry, Corolla...

and take a look at the s2000 dyno chart

yeah it makes a peak 250hp(flywheel) but look at a dyno chart for a car and you can find out a hell of a lot more about an engine's power. Those s2000's were so shitty in power delivery honda themselves changed it LOL.....enough said on s2000's.

I guess Im speaking to bricks here mostly, most of you guys have no experience with different kinds of cars and have only actually driven one or two kinds of cars lol. When u drive a hundred different cars, come and tell me your opinion. My main experience with messing with Chevy's a lot is with a 94 Impala SS. Its faster then a camaro in the top end, more balanced, a lot bigger, and has more lateral grip(.88, same as a 240sx or a 350z...impressive for a 4200lb 4 door eh?) The power delivery and all around driving experience is VASTYL different with its totally different powerband over an import style engine.

So many people go wrong by just saying, well this s2000 engine has 250hp and this old camaro one with twice as many cylinders only has 245. Go look at a dyno chart for both engines, see where the torque comes along and how much power the engines really make to the wheels. Unless you are very fukin dumb you will come back and say you'd rather have that big ass 5.7L engine.

I've driven an S2k before and the powerband is horrible. Off the line and just normal cruising speeds, it feels like a B16A with just a little more power. It's not terribly slow off the line, but when you hear about it having 250hp then you immediately think it must be pretty quick. I will admit though that the S2k is a beast on the freeway. You have to rev the piss out of the F20 to get it to really get up and go. I would much rather have a more usable powerband with a little less power. I haven't driven the new S2k's with the F22 in them yet so I can't comment on that motor.

^ yea my sis has one, to get any usable power you have to rev it all the way to 6k. It takes some experience launching that thing...

it's not a very good daily driver, b/c to feel speed you would have to rev it all the way up and it will eat your gas like no other

Yes, Honda revised the S2K to be more "streetable". They even got more power out of it if I'm not correct, but for the car, the engine suits its purposes.

You're the one ragging on Civics vs. Camaros which is a pretty shitty comparison. Bigger parts, more displacement, you'll obviously get more power.

Powerband is just preference... SR vs. KA ring a bell?

I'd still rather have an S2K over a Camaro any day, but knowing you, you'd take the Camaro. At least acknowledge that fast is fast, no matter how you get there.

True and not true, fast for my mom was me at 90mph, when my fuel was cut at 135mph on my SHO, that wasn't fast enough.
Im gonna be like 50 (backdown)
"Lil dragers now listen, domestics and imports,
2000s' and camaros, the lines you drawing, shut up and just race them."
All cars have their pros and cons,
domestics, big CCs' poor craftsman ship = cheap HP
Imports, small CCs' good craftsman ship= durability,
when you combine the two, you come up with ferraris, 3.5L V8, 395Hp, Porche 3.6L F6 360Hp=
100K......... waaaaaaaay out of our Budget.
So pick a freaking car that suits you and quit bitching about the other, appreciate the cars for what they are, toys for us, play with them, enjoy them and if his has more power go buy one like his, or build one, Ok.

True and not true, fast for my mom was me at 90mph, when my fuel was cut at 135mph on my SHO, that wasn't fast enough.
Im gonna be like 50 (backdown)
"Lil dragers now listen, domestics and imports,
2000s' and camaros, the lines you drawing, shut up and just race them."
All cars have their pros and cons,
domestics, big CCs' poor craftsman ship = cheap HP
Imports, small CCs' good craftsman ship= durability,
when you combine the two, you come up with ferraris, 3.5L V8, 395Hp, Porche 3.6L F6 360Hp=
100K......... waaaaaaaay out of our Budget.
So pick a freaking car that suits you and quit bitching about the other, appreciate the cars for what they are, toys for us, play with them, enjoy them and if his has more power go buy one like his, or build one, Ok.


This is completely changing subject

the subject was can a 240sx beat a stock 1990 camaro automatic
and no matter which engine it has for the 1990 stock, the 240sx has a chance either way

now weve established its a v6 and let me tell u, those things are not fast
my ex gfs family was into the early 90 camaros, and let me tell u, those things are not that fast!!!

come on now

i dont know how u guys turned this one into an argument

whatever the power band on the damn 240sx is, it doesnt matter
dyno whatever u want

it can still win

i love the camaro up there in my top 10
doesnt change anything

Just like to add a perspective from the Camaro Forum... to those who think that the earlier v8's suck because they only made 200+HP are all very ignorant and I have a nice 305 for you to race!!!
While yes only making lower HP numbers, you guys failed to mention the nice little fact that they make around 300lbs. of Torque. Isn't that what blasts you off the line? anyway...
The 240 shouldn't have too much problem w/ an old-ass v6 automatic.

ok listen dude the older camaro had a HORRIBLE top speed do to that horrible ass transmission in it. the V8's and the V6's were terrible in the early 90's and 80's because of the new emission laws. I mean look at the damn 80's corvette its a peice of shit. the 240 will have NO problem beating a V6 camaro it is NOT a drivers race it is pure Power/weight Ratio. EVEN a damn automatic 240sx could kill the V6 camaro. Idc what excuses any of you have the 240 will kill it. Give credit where its do older camaros SUCK PERIOD, off the line in corners its a horrible car thats why there resale value is shitty and thats why the Mustang Hatches can bitch em in the corners. we are not talking about SS's or Z28's first of all back in the 90's I dont even believe they had the SS's back yet. all they had were damn RS's and IROCs and I had a 98 V6 cam auto and I killed an Iroc. There heavy peices of udder shit. Talk about torrque all you want it doesnt rev, once it hits the max it wont have the HP to pull it to the rev line, THATS WHAT THE OLD CARB MOTORS DID. Dont get shit twisted domestic boys, Ive been there and Ide put $200 on the 240sx. Now stop arguing about pointless shit we all know the outcome of this race. Just accept it and move on :D

Yet another victory for the 240sx! I cant believe how easy that was! I smoked him big time, thanks for the tips guys! Now I have a little bit more confidence in my 240's capabilities. :bigthumb:

^ good job. Always nice to see stock 240s beatin ponys

see man what I tell yah :D. Always trust what SOME people on this site are gonna tell yah. Lol cept me when Im plasterd or tired, I still feel like an idiot for that "SR20 is legal" bs. But any way good kill man, now go hunt Celicas, basically ANY celica lol. You can keep up with a GT-S.