completed Porsche 917K 6hrs Watkins Glen "Hippie"

I finally finished my Porsche 917K. Great kit, just had some fitting problems with the rear hood and the front decal. I´m very pleased with the outcome of this kit. Please feel free to comment on this build.

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I consider this one to be my best result ever coming out of a kit, I built.

Very good build of a very cool car! The only thing I can see is the headlamps, a trick I picked up not to long ago suggests using a Sharpie (or any black marker) to color the edge of the headlamp glass, on the surface you use to attach it to the body. This eliminates the unprototypical white ring around the glass, and looks makes it look like a black rubber seal. But other than that, just fantastic! I hope to see some more cool vintage racecars from you!

Good job! I love the 917.

Great job. I love how it turned out.

Nice one!

I have a comment: superb model!!:sunglasse I LOVE the 917!!!

Another comment: Nice :thumbsup:
Looks like the access panel on the nose is a difficult fit too.
What is next on the adgenda?

Yeah that looks cool, great decal work also. :smokin:

I love it!vy good job

That’s an excellent work godfather23. I’m also a great fan of the 917K and it’s a pleasure to see it. You have all the reasons to be satisfied with your work.

WOw really nice, I bet those decals were a real pain.
Love those old Porsches

that turned out amazing!

Hi,

I'm a huge 917k fan as i did the 70' fujimi winner these days and i have received the two other kit, the Gulf 20 and the number 3 from Daytona.

Please let me ask u some questions :

- It seems that u used the Studio 27 photoetch, why didn't u used all the part, especially the back wings, the front part, etc.

- U used the Studio 27 decals, what is the fujimi base ? the 23, the 20 or the 3 ? Is the quality of theses decals good ? is there any recommandations for the colors needed for the transformation ?

- I have some chance cause on my model i didn't had any troubles for the rear fitting, what is the part that cause u problem ? i followed the advice on the p9o1r1sche thread about the spare wheel and it helps ?

Thanks for your answers and felicitations again !

For the car, the kit, the build, everything in fact, only one word: thanks!

What is next on the adgenda?

Next is Lamborghini Miura SV in White/Gold with blue interior, like the one owned by Elton John!

http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Miura/MiuraSV/4830.html

Thanks for all your kind words!

Next is Lamborghini Miura SV in White/Gold with blue interior, like the one owned by Elton John!

http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Miura/MiuraSV/4830.html

Thanks for all your kind words!

Listen Godfather we must meet each other m8, cause we love the same car. I'm actually on a gt40 but next is a Lamborghini Miura SV in red, tan interior, silver wheel like the Nicolas Cage one :

http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Miura/MiuraJota/4934.html

one last question on your 917k, the real color is Purple for this model no ? what made u choose this blue ?

one last question on your 917k, the real color is Purple for this model no ? what made u choose this blue ?

I checked the available rattle can colors of tamiya, but all the purple ones lookes rather metallic. The pictures of the watkins glen original, I got, didn´t have that deep purple, as the decal placement chart of Studio27. Since I was keen on not having anything metallic, I stuck with that blue. Looks as good as purple, I think! Basically more a personal taste thing than a sticking to the original decision.

Levincer, I don't think it matters which of Fujimi's 1970 short tail 917K kits you use as a base for the Hippy cars, the plastic is the same in all of them. Although they are soon to release a revised '71 finned tail version, in several schemes :)

Indeed the colour of the car should be purplish blue, sometimes known as "burple". Tamiya make a TS can that is very close to the correct colour, called Raybrig Blue. It was originally a limited edition colour (intended for the Raybrig NSX) but has now been added to their fulltime range under a different name. Even closer is Finisher's Blue Purple. I have the LMM resin kit of the first Hippy car, the 1970 LM 2nd placed 917LH, which includes a paint chip of the proper colour. The Finisher's paint is an exact match, while Tamiya Raybrig Blue is a bit purpler and lighter, but not much. Taking scale effect into account it might even be better.

I also get the feeling the green on the S27 sheet is too dark, it should be very bright. Certainly the green on the LMM 917LH is very bright compared to the almost military green of S27's sheet.

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Indeed the colour of the car should be purplish blue, sometimes known as "burple". Tamiya make a TS can that is very close to the correct colour, called Raybrig Blue. It was originally a limited edition colour (intended for the Raybrig NSX) but has now been added to their fulltime range under a different name. Even closer is Finisher's Blue Purple. I have the LMM resin kit of the first Hippy car, the 1970 LM 2nd placed 917LH, which includes a paint chip of the proper colour. The Finisher's paint is an exact match, while Tamiya Raybrig Blue is a bit purpler and lighter, but not much. Taking scale effect into account it might even be better.
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Tanx Phil for such precise answers :bigthumb: .

I use tamiya regulary but now i want to test other brands. I've ordered some testors spray yesterday to test them and because i found a lot of nice colors in this brand.

I never used Finisher's paint, can i find them in spray can ?, are they available online ?

I've pre-ordered the 2 new fujimi 917k and i think i'll do the hippy 917 but the one yellow and red fron studio 27.

Darn it. Now I think, I should have done better research on the color. But on the other hand, its quite hard to find anything else than revell, gunze or tamiya colors in Germany. Anyways, I´m excited about some hippie "burple" version someone else might build. I´m pretty interested in seeing the difference between the colors.

On the green of the decals, I need to admit that they are a liitle to green, as rallyraider pointed out. But nevertheless Studio27 is the only manufacturer, who has those decals produced. You gotta love it or leave- I wanted the the hippie so bad, I didn´t really bother about the too greenish color.

But the good thing coming out of the forum is that I learn to pay more attention to those details in the future. Something new learned every day.

Thanky guys for your help! :)

If you have an airbrush, you can custom mix colors yourself to get the closest match. Sometimes, though, you cant match the color with the available paints. The Testors spray paints are inconsistent and generally harder to get good results with, compared to Tamiya paints because the spray is coarser and more paint comes out of the can. If you want to use Testors enamels, I think the best way is to use an airbrush and custom mix the colors. I use Tamiya sprays if it is the right color because they're quicker and easier than airbrushing.

Pleased to be of assistance. Finisher's paints are difficult to find. I know of only two places that sell them online. One is Rainbow 10 (http://www.rainbowten.co.jp) in Japan, who have just got a new shipment in. Unfortunately minus some of their more interesting colours like Gulf Blue, McLaren Orange and AP (Prost) Blue which have been discontinued. The other place is Hapico (http://hapico.com) in the USA, but they had removed the paint and accessories listings from their website last time I looked.

Unfortunately Finishers don't do spraycans, just bottles. The stuff is lacquer (synthetic :dunno: ) and every bit as good as Tamiya, Gunze and Modellers.

Don't have regrets about you build Godfather, you model is great how it is. The burple after all looks different from photo to photo, much like McLaren Orange. And you must take major kudos in that you have actually created the model, whilst the rest of us are just talking about it!

Don't have regrets about you build Godfather, you model is great how it is. And you must take major kudos in that you have actually created the model, whilst the rest of us are just talking about it!

True. true. But perfection should be the goal for all of us, or am I wrong on that???? Otherwise, what would modeling be about?

True. true. But perfection should be the goal for all of us, or am I wrong on that???? Otherwise, what would modeling be about?

That's right. But perfection can only be obtained through small steps Grasshopper. The flaws give us something to aim for next time!

The colours look a little off to me. I took these snaps at the 2002 Le Mans Classic...

http://www.pbase.com/image/5221491

http://www.pbase.com/image/5221535

I reckon the green looks like the viper green sometimes used on 911's in the 70's. The blue is quite purple.

The colours look a little off to me. I took these snaps at the 2002 Le Mans Classic...

http://www.pbase.com/image/5221491

http://www.pbase.com/image/5221535

I reckon the green looks like the viper green sometimes used on 911's in the 70's. The blue is quite purple.

thats also a different car than the model.

Other than the number it looks pretty similar to me.

Other than the number it looks pretty similar to me.

its the same model car yes...but the Number is what sets it off. Most race teams dont take an already raced car and repaint it and put another number on it...hell none of them do. Isnt it possible that this is a different paint scheme then the one he painted on his model?

its the same model car yes...but the Number is what sets it off. Most race teams dont take an already raced car and repaint it and put another number on it...hell none of them do. Isnt it possible that this is a different paint scheme then the one he painted on his model?

Well to be honest, I changed the color a little. When I built the model the purple didn´t look as nice as I wanted it. And actually the blue is not too bad, but you´re right the color is different that the car had it in the Watkins Glen race. I use basic blue, not purple!!

The colours look a little off to me. I took these snaps at the 2002 Le Mans Classic...

http://www.pbase.com/image/5221491

http://www.pbase.com/image/5221535

I reckon the green looks like the viper green sometimes used on 911's in the 70's. The blue is quite purple.

Thanks for the pic links smarjoram. However if you took these pictures in 2002 then you are looking at a restored car! There are a couple of cars getting around in this scheme at the moment I believe. The original “burple” Watkins Glen car was repainted to yellow in 1970 and possibly many other colours in the intervening 30 odd years. While I expect the owners of the car attempted to reproduce the famous colour as close as possible it is not necessarily certain they got it right. We've already discussed the colour anyway. It is a hot subject for discussion because the colour tends to change depending on lighting, different pictures and printing processes. Sometimes it looks blue, sometimes purple. As a modeller you have to decide what looks like the best option for you.

Hold it, hold it, hold it...

The Watkin's Glen car was a different animal than the LM car and was in fact painted (in America) a blue-er shade of burple than the LM car. So technically the above car is correct for the WG car, but not the LM car.

Now here's where it get's REALY crazy... Being human, we'll never know exactly what shade either of these cars were. No one sees the same color the same way...and no camera, film or monitor displays the same colors the same way (even with Spyders/Adobe monitor setup devices, etc). We can strive for perfection, but in the end a model is a representation and nothing more.

Folks who were actually at both races can't even agree on whether the green was flourescent or not...

Let the rivet-counting flame wars begin ;-)>

Bill

p.s. Nice build!!...Now go do another one for the contest...;-)>

Wow- what a cool car! Love it!

Right-O.

But I suspect if you're going to go to the trouble - and massive expense - of restoring a million dollar car you'd probably spend a bit of time getting the colour right. When the layers of paint are stripped off you can usually find remains of all of the previous colour schemes in some of the nooks and crannies. Take a look at this site to see how carefully these restorations are carried out - and in particular how fussy they are about originality...

http://www.gunnarracing.com/

(a great place for detailed reference photos too)

-or you could post a question on the 917 forum...

http://www.cknet.org.uk/forum/default.asp

Oops - just read the post about the WG car being a different shade - I stand corrected. Wonder why they changed it though?

Let the rivet-counting flame wars begin ;-)>

Bill

p.s. Nice build!!...Now go do another one for the contest...;-)>

Thanks to all of you for discussing about the model. means that actually people are interested in the cars and are not just complimenting the Builds.

BTW, which contest do you mean???

Right-O.

But I suspect if you're going to go to the trouble - and massive expense - of restoring a million dollar car you'd probably spend a bit of time getting the colour right. When the layers of paint are stripped off you can usually find remains of all of the previous colour schemes in some of the nooks and crannies. Take a look at this site to see how carefully these restorations are carried out - and in particular how fussy they are about originality...

http://www.gunnarracing.com/

(a great place for detailed reference photos too)

-or you could post a question on the 917 forum...

http://www.cknet.org.uk/forum/default.asp

Oops - just read the post about the WG car being a different shade - I stand corrected. Wonder why they changed it though?


Yes and no. The pigments in the paint back then were not as stable as they are today. Also, some of the formulas, chemicals and pigments simply are no longer available!

Le Mans cars of that period are notorious for changing hue and shade BEFORE the race was completed! Starting out one color and ending up another due to wear/use/leeching of pigments, etc.

Gunnar does their best, but even they will admit they can only do approximations and that their restored cars will never be 100% "authentic".

As for the WG car being different, it was in dire need of a repaint after LM. The paint used in America was a color that was thought to be the same as the LM color. Which goes to prove...no color is ever the same, even when you have the Pantone code.

You think the Hippie is bad, try finding 2 people to agree on Gulf Blue/Orange, Ferrari red (both before AND after Marlboro) or God forbid..McLaren Orange!!! ;-)>

There are really only 3 problems we motorsport modelers have.

1. Finding the correct references (whaddyamean the P330 didn't use the large Koni sticker on the upper rear tail surface at the 1000K of Nurburgring in '68?)
2. Finding the correct color (it'll never happen...even IF you have a bottle of Scuderia Marlboro Flouro red taken from the dregs of the can used to actually spray Michael's chassis the day before)
3. Waiting for the companies to make the kits we want...;-)>

Of course, it's always fun trying to overcome those!

Bill

Thanks to all of you for discussing about the model. means that actually people are interested in the cars and are not just complimenting the Builds.

BTW, which contest do you mean???

Why the upcoming AF Le Mans contest of course!!!

Woohoooooo


Bil

Why the upcoming AF Le Mans contest of course!!!

Woohoooooo


Bil

There is a contest? So I will need to get my stuff together to think of an entry! Let´s see!!!

Thanks Bill - I didn't realise paint matching was such a tricky area.