f*ckin aggrivated

alright, my super shimkit got here this morning, so i go out to the garage happy that im finally gonna get my car off the damn jack stands, so i fish the posi up in there, put the shims in there, and theres like 1/4 or so of an inch of play, i was told nothin should change since im just puttin the posi in, i didnt move the pinion, well i dont think i did, im comin in here to write this to cool off, the unit got stuck in there and i cant get it out, i do not have a dial indicator here, so i was wondering if i could bang the pinion up a little get and be able to get by with that, any suggestions, this is the first time ive done this

you can put shims behind the pinion and move it towards the rear of the car to adjust your play, but you cant go too far. i know this is pain in the dick man, but ur gonna have to start over. get the pinion depth set in the general area, i know you dont have a depth micrometer but just get it close. then use different thickness washers to move carrier left and right. once you get your free play set to within a few thousenths of an inch, pull it all back apart and and adjust you pinion depth until the free play is gone. you dont want it too tight cause it will bind under pressure, but you dont want it too lose or it'll whine. or i think you can get a shim that goes under the ring gear too, but again you'll end up moving the pinion or moving the carrier. hope that helps :)

i had it as faras it ould go, noqw the fuckin think is stuck!, i jus broke the handle to my sledge, i cannot get it out, shit like this jus makes me wanna pull the hoe rearof the fuckin carnout

how can i say this... i had it as far to left left it would go with the shim kit

well i jus got the b*tch out and i just noticed with the gear on the new posi unit, the gear sits about a half on an inch lower then the stock one, how should i adjust this problem??

what gear are ya talkin about?
also, what ring and pinion ratio did it have and what ratio are you putting in

im not sure if i understand this correctly, but did you get the correct posie for it. there are different series carriers for different rings sizes. the thickness of the ring changes when you get to a sertain point and then they change change where it sits on the carrier to compensate for that. so if you have the a certain combination,(the wrong ones, but one way it ring will sit way to close and the other it will sit way to far away from the pinion), then the ring will be wa to close to the pinion to go in.

if ur carrier is getting stuck in the rear end it sounds like the races are to big for the mains. i need to know what carrier and possi unit ur using and what their out of. i'm assuming ur car came with open 2:73's? if it did, then you have or had a 2 series carrier and you need a ring and pinion for a 2 series carrier. if your using a carrier out of a blazer or something then that would be a 3 series carrier, and i'm not sure it'll fit in ur rearend.

i dont think its the right one now, the dude said it was for a 10 bolt 7.5, i accidently pushed the axle shaft in and i spun it to see it if would the diff and its too small, imsoo fuckin pissed, i jus cam in for a drink, im pullin the hole fuggin axle out now, screw it

nah, its a brand new torsen posi unit, the gears are i say 3.42s, and yes it was an open rear

oh yeah, one other thing i thought of. what size rings do those year camaros have. cuz if you got it out of an older something with a bigger ring and you have a rearend with a smaller ring then the carrier wont fit. like you have a 7.5 you cant use a posi out of a 8.2 or 8.5 rearend. it must be for that 7.5 rearend. now if you have a bigger one, like an 8.5 the bigest of the 10-bolts, you can use a smaller one. (you just have to use the smaller posi along with the ring set from a the smaller rearend also).

3:42 is 3 series carrier. probly not fit ur rearend. if it's a torsion unit it's probly a 28 spline unit, and i think you have 26 spline axles. where's 89IROC he knows his shit about torsion units

yea he does, he helped me with this earlier lol, i jus dropped the rear so it will be alot easier to work with

ridge runner, what year camaro you got???? cuz if its a torsen, (Which i congradulate you on getting ;) ) you have to have the 89-2002 28 spline axles for it to work. 88 and before camaros have 26 spline axles, that wont mesh.

fucker.. i have a 85, man im pissed now, that dude lied to me, he said it would work on all camaros and that is was 26 spline, i shoulda looked at it closer, damnit

so i either have to get a new posi unit or put 28 splines in

they should slide right in shouldnt they

they should slide in. but i'm still tryin to figure out why your carrier got stuck in the rearend. hey IROC, will a torsion differential fit in a non torsion rearend?

yea, that was weird i jus pushed it in there and 2 hits and a rubber mallet, and it was jammed in there

well, sounds like you have too much shim on the sides, because the torsen should fit right where the other carriers go. no problem, but yeah, you do need the 28 spline axles, moser sells em, or hit up the junkyard, id reccomend the axles out of a 89-92 camaro, that has the same rear brake setup as you, even though the axles are the same, for all the little details and all, id say if you have drums, get em out of a drum rear, if you have disks, get em off the rear with disks. but before you do that, now that you have the torsen out, shine a light down in there, and count your splines on inside the unit. and there should be 28. that might be an aftermarket torsen that was ordered for a 26 spine application, i only know about the GM ones used in the F bodies. so best to doubble check before ya do anythin.

you are the epitomy of this website. this is why i constantly troll this dumb ass site. you rammed bigger gears in there? and what the fuck are you using a sledge hammer for? jesus fucking christ it's harder and harder to troll this site when you are all so fucking stupid you are untrollable!

hey go to hell mother fucker, i dont need to hear your bs y did i use a sledge hammer?? how the hell would you have gotten it out mr know it all

how am i the "epitomy" of this site?? just cause ive never done a rear b4??? and i didnt double check the diff?? wtf everyone makes mistakes

wow, how long till you get kicked, people make mistakes, were trying to help him, if you dont have anything constructive, shut the fuck up. go back to the vette forum.

why do i get the feeling that FUNKMASTERFLEX, FASTESTCARINHERE, AND grumpyvette are the same person

lol

did you read his thread in the toyota forum about jamming hotdogs in the crankcase? kinda funny actually, stupid but funny. ya know i dont care about noobs coming on here and making stupid posts, i actually get a kick out of some of em, but when they start trashing people then it just gets old. i think i need to go out to "hawaii" and rip off his ears so i can shit in his skull

did you try using the same shims that came out with the old one? they probably woundnt be perfect but it should be close, and then you would just have to adjust the shims acordingly. im not sure you minght have cuz i think you said you have like a 1/4 inch gap. but i was just wondering. oh yeah, and another way you can mayb e try it is just try shiming the ring side of the posi, dont worry about the other side, and just keep checking it until you get the right shim. or atleast close and then you can go back and shim the other side and see how it is. just an idea

i broke one of the old shims, im gonna try to find a posi unit for the 26 spline first, then im gonna check some prices od the 28 spline axles to see which would be cheaper, im thinkin bout jus tryin to get another posi unit and sellin the one i got now

well, just dont tell em you hit it with a sledge hammer if you try to sell it ;)

lol, yea i didnt damage it at all, i put a breaker bar in there and hit the breaker bar with a sledge, so actually the sledge did touch the posi unit, i didnt get that mad lol

oh ok, in that case its good to go, and actually keep in mind when you sell it, they discontinued the torsen from what i understand, so the value of it might go up soon. i might go buy another one or two to have on the shelve. also bad news, apparently i was wrong about the torsens power handling, while down at fbody motorsports, they showed me a torsen housing cracked completely in half, turns out the casing is thinner to allow for the gear driven internals. and they are only good to around 400hp. after that get a bigger carrier. with more meat. so i guess ill be runnin the torsen till i get to around 400hp, then put the BW rear with its 7.75in ring gear and standard posi setup in there. so i dont break stuff.

damn... that sucks, maybe im glad it didnt fit right, my 383 would eat that thing up, the other one i have, the one thats been welded up is also for a 28 spline, im gonna see what i can do with this 12 bolt i got, i might put in there if its not much more expesive to do then the 10

i wish i had a 12 bolt just sitting around. i need one.

haha yea, this guy in my old neighborhood (i just moved) came up to me and myfriend and asked us if we wanted a 10 and 12 bolt and i was like hell yea, so we went and put them in the back of his s10, we took the 10 bolt apart in the bed of his truck, and ended up ditching it in someones driveway, lol

LOL. your lucky. hell, you would think someone could find better deals out here in califonia cuz of how many cars there are, (or were in the case of the 12 bolt), but for someone to just give you a 12 bolt, damn. hey if you want you can send that out this way too. im still running the original rearend that came in my chevelle, its a 8.2 open 10 bolt with 3.08's. im kinda surprised its still together but im not complaning about that. i desperatly need a posi though. if i jump on the gas in first gear anywhere lower than like 30MPH i lose traction, and from a stop i can go all the way through first and second and then into third without much traction, i still move some cuz of the other tire.

lmao hahahaha, oh man thats great :)

haha yea, it was fun, i also use to lose traction bad when i got into it, when i ran it at the track thats all it did was spin, one time my dad rode with me and he was like shit, it would catch 3rd

yeah, its good for show, but hell i would rather be going somewhere when my speedo reaches 90+.

yea, i woulda have liked to get a good time down, and it was my first time runnin it at the track

iv never actualy put my car down a track. it would be a waste because of the traction problems. im kinda thinking that if i was able to launch under full power i would run some pretty damn good times. i would be launching with around 350-357 ft.lbs at around 2200RPM's. thats why i have no traction. when i finaly get everything set up so i can have atleast some traction then im planning on running it down a track.

yea, sounds like a good plan, less stress on the motor

this was b4 i touched the rear buddy

god this dude jus keeps coming back

was that the same ass that was sayin shit before. anyhow, if he comes back again, he should lear how to read cuz he's obveousely doesnt know we were talking about many different things.

this mornin it really got out of hand, he jus keep goin on and on and of coarse i was gonna retallyate, but thankfully it all got takin out of the thread

ohhh. when i checked it there was only one post from him, kinda sounded like his first one in this thread the rest had already been removed i guess. but it sounds like the same guy that was saying crap a couple day ago and got banned.

yea it was all the same guy, cause he kept raggin on me bout using the sledge, lol o well, ill use it again if i have too

lol. yeah you could always do an experament and compare how much force two different objects of ruffly the same size can take withought being crushed, like your carrier and say something oh i dont know like a head or something. i wonder what one can withstand more force.

yea i didnt do any damage, the only thing i did was bend the axle case a little bit where the diff cover bolts up, well i just wedged a breaker bar in there and beat on the breaker bar, the pry bar wasnt working and it was just digging into the axle housing

yeah, how did you end up getting it stuck? was it the shims or was it where the ring gear was sitting because of the carrier being the incorect one?

im pretty sure it was the shims, but it was alot easier to put it in, it went in no prob, jus 2 taps with a rubber mallet and it was in

correct me if I am wrong, but don't you have to have a dial indacator to properly set the shims and put the proper preload on the bearing?

it must have jammed agenst the pinion or something. when i first started rebuilding rearents i had to find a way to remove the pinion nut. those are fun to mess with. i had to go buy a new socket cuz i didnt have one big enough. then went and bought a 4 foot piece electrical conduet, the stuff that is in the shape of a "U" kinda. and then drilled it to hold two bolts to go through the yoke and hold it in place so i could get the damn nut off. it takes like 200 pounds to get those things off cuz thats how much it takes to crush the sleeve the right amount when you put it on, not the edzact amount just ruff estamit. now i like doing rearends though cuz they are easy now. the funny thing is i have dont tow for my dad and a couple for frinds and i still havnt goten around to do my own. damn i need more money.

no, i used the original gears, and one of the original shims, this is the first time ive attempted to do a rear, im planning on puttin 4.10s in soon, so this was basically a learning experience, i am going to purchanse a dial ind. this week, and get a 26 spline posi and set it up right, but one question about the posi, whats the difference between the gov lock and the clutch style, i got the concept of the clutch style but not sure on the gov lock, thanks

your saposed to but you can do it without. when your just putting a posi in then its not so much of a nasesity, you can usualy reuse pretty much everything if its still in good conditon and get away with it. to a sertain extent. well if you dont go and break a shim. how did you mange that anyway?

actually i have no idea how i broke it or how it got broken i jus found it on the floor of my garage cracked in half i was quite pissed, yea thats was i was plannin on doin jus switchin everything over, but i did get all new bearings, the only thing i did was make sure i put the gear on right, spun it around put something under it and watched it as it spun around to make sure the distance from the socket to the gear didnt change lol

when i first started rebuilding rearents i had to find a way to remove the pinion nut. those are fun to mess with. i had to go buy a new socket cuz i didnt have one big enough. then went and bought a 4 foot piece electrical conduet, the stuff that is in the shape of a "U" kinda. and then drilled it to hold two bolts to go through the yoke and hold it in place so i could get the damn nut off

i use my 24in crescent wrench to hold the u-joint carrier while i break the nut lose with a breaker bar :iceslolan

damn, i didnt even know then made them that big.