ls integra vs 98 civic si

my g/f just bought a 98 si civic , and a friend of mine has been talking shit to her about how his teg would beat it cause he thinks civics are inferior to tegs ... ive already spanked him pretty bad in my gsr , and her car feels like it has some balls when i get on it ( she wont let me really get on it) ... she wont race it or let me race it so this will prolly never happen ... i just wanted to know what you guys think would happen ....both are bone stock

ummm what kind of teg does he have?? GSR LS what?? and just FYI si's arnt all that bad ass...if he has a gsr im pretty sure it wouldnt be that hard beat her

Are you in the US or Canada, because in the US, Si's weren't produced in '98. If you're in Canada, the Si would be the same thing as the USDM Ex, 127hp SOHC-VTEC. If your case is the latter, the teg will definitely take it, stock for stock that is. If it's got a b16a, it should be close, driver's race.

ummm what kind of teg does he have?? GSR LS what?? and just FYI si's arnt all that bad ass...if he has a gsr im pretty sure it wouldnt be that hard beat her

ummmmm read the thread .....

Are you in the US or Canada, because in the US, Si's weren't produced in '98. If you're in Canada, the Si would be the same thing as the USDM Ex, 127hp SOHC-VTEC. If your case is the latter, the teg will definitely take it, stock for stock that is. If it's got a b16a, it should be close, driver's race.


good call , i just checked the manual and its actually a 99 civic si with the b16 ...

A GSR will kill it and a lightly modded LS will take it as well. Stock for stock it is in the Si's favor but not by much.

A GSR will kill it and a lightly modded LS will take it as well. Stock for stock it is in the Si's favor but not by much.

LS Curb Weight: 2639
LS Power-to-Weight: 0.0531

Si Curb Weight: 2606
Si Power-to-Weight: 0.0614

The SI has more horsepower, the SI is lighter, and the SI has much better gear ratios for quick acceleration. How do you figure a LS will take it.

Also, the LS 0-60 is rated at 8.8 seconds, vs. the Si's 7.4. I don't know about you, but I don't think a CAI and a catback is going to make you 1.4 seconds quicker to 60.

LS Curb Weight: 2639
LS Power-to-Weight: 0.0531

Si Curb Weight: 2606
Si Power-to-Weight: 0.0614

The SI has more horsepower, the SI is lighter, and the SI has much better gear ratios for quick acceleration. How do you figure a LS will take it.

The power to weight ratio is in the Si's favor but at a really high rpm. The Si, unlike the GSR, does not have much of any tq. The tq that the LS makes at a much lower rpm will put it far enough ahead that the Si will not catch up. At the local track here the best time I have ever seem from a N/A Si is 15.8 and he had I/H/C/E and V-AFC. And the common time for an LS with I/H/E is 15.5 -15.2. They really have no potential IMHO, unless you go boost or all out N/A, :2cents:

Also, the LS 0-60 is rated at 8.8 seconds, vs. the Si's 7.4. I don't know about you, but I don't think a CAI and a catback is going to make you 1.4 seconds quicker to 60.

Where the hell did you find that info? The LS 0-60 is no where near that time, try taking off a second. I have an auto with just an intake and its 0-60 is 7.9, even call it 8.

Also, the LS 0-60 is rated at 8.8 seconds, vs. the Si's 7.4. I don't know about you, but I don't think a CAI and a catback is going to make you 1.4 seconds quicker to 60.
That is for the 86 integra LS.


The LS is a 7.6 0-60 car. The GSR is a 7.1 0-60 car and the 93 GSR is a 6.4 0-60 car.

how is the 93 gsr so much quicker than the other gsr's ??

how is the 93 gsr so much quicker than the other gsr's ??

Lighter chasis.

What?! An 86' integra LS will do 15.5-15.2? Is that what your sayin?

Well I have a friend with a 2001 Si, with intake, and I have a friend with a 97 ls, that has intake as well. They are both = driver, and my buddy with the ls beat the si by a little over a car legnth. It is true that the si has more horse power, but they have crap for torque. Plus the ls is has a strong bottom end (as far as civics and integras go). Ls's have been known to pull on gsr's in 1st and 2nd gear, but the gsr easily overtakes the ls once he hits 3rd. As for the si, most of the time by 3rd gear they start to gain, but by the end they usually end up about even. So really it would be a drivers race. I am willing to bet that stock for stock, ls's probably come out on top more times than not.

seems to me like people think that just because it has more hp that its going to automatically win :disappoin , maybe next time they should also add in torque to the equation. :2cents:

i personally have driven my friend's si and honestly, i wasn't impressed. no torque in the lower rpms and once it finally hit vtec i hardly notice the pull until 3rd gear during vtec.

heres another another story, another one of my friend has a 1990 ls with home made intake :disappoin, he raced against the same stock si and and the si won by like a 1/2-1 car length. but to defend the ls' lost, that thing had 310,000 miles on it, probabaly a slipping clutch, and only has 130 hp due to the year that it was made in.

my conclusion, it's basically a drivers race, but most of the time i would put my money on the ls.

daaaamn, si's suck huh

about the gsr vs ls --> this saturday im racing a 93 teg ls with cams, intake, exhaust, and clutch in the 1320 :evillol:

and this torque argument is silly, ive taken vw's with 50 more torque than me, not to mention a spec v, and an 80 somethign firebird with the crappy v8 (not the 350)

I think as far as HP and TQ ar concerned, sure it is good to have more that the other guy, But i think weight and gearing and especially the driver have a lot more to doo with it than a lot of people realize. But thats just me.

and this torque argument is silly, ive taken vw's with 50 more torque than me, not to mention a spec v, and an 80 somethign firebird with the crappy v8 (not the 350)

did u raced the vw with 50 lbs more torque from a stand still? that thing should definately have u at the begining and middle of the race unless the diver can't drive.

I think as far as HP and TQ ar concerned, sure it is good to have more that the other guy, But i think weight and gearing and especially the driver have a lot more to doo with it than a lot of people realize. But thats just me.

everything has to be considered such as hp, tq, weight, gearing, driver abilities, even insignificant things added up such as tire pressure, gas octane, how old the motor is since it can decrease compression can also effect the outcome.

95 jetta glx vr6 (my roomates) we both had a little wheelspin, stayed together in first and then i started to gain in second, the car length i gained in my short second gear, i maintained to 90 which is my redline in third and then i shut down.

my torque : 128 at waaay high
his torque : 173 at down low
spev v torque : 180 @ 4400 (didnt help him either)

95 jetta glx vr6 (my roomates) we both had a little wheelspin, stayed together in first and then i started to gain in second, the car length i gained in my short second gear, i maintained to 90 which is my redline in third and then i shut down.

my torque : 128 at waaay high
his torque : 173 at down low
spev v torque : 180 @ 4400 (didnt help him either)


i beat a spec v pretty damn bad from a drop , but i know it wouldve been closer from a stop ... he was pullin on me for about 1 second untill i riped right by ... i have a friend with a newer jetta vr6 that says he can beat me , i think he would have a hell of a chance if i was stock , but he dont know im not stock any more, well exept for my visible tail pipe .... CAI/H/E ,IM, jdm itr cams , to list a few :evillol:

95 jetta glx vr6 (my roomates) we both had a little wheelspin, stayed together in first and then i started to gain in second, the car length i gained in my short second gear, i maintained to 90 which is my redline in third and then i shut down.

my torque : 128 at waaay high
his torque : 173 at down low
spev v torque : 180 @ 4400 (didnt help him either)

maybe your buddy can't drive too well or your a dam good driver, an old buddy of mine gots a spec-v with intake and header while his brother gots a gsr with intake. usually its a close race but the gsr always has to play catch up. i driven his spec-v and i got say it was pretty quick although im not into its exterior styling.

crippy, you should definetly take your car to the track and get some slips, my gf was in the car when i raced the spec v.. so thats like another 110 lbs in my car, heres the story when i wrote about it a while back...

i own a 96 gsr with aem cai and greddy sp, i think it was stock but one day this spec v was tailing me up until the lane opened up into two and he pulled up on the side of me at which point we were lined up at a red light. the light turned green, we both floor it about 80-90 he was a good car length behind....

and in no way did i play catch up, i remember watching his wheel spin and feeling mine spin and they both caught at the same time and we stayed side by side, i just kind of walked slowly away

now that i think about it, i have never played catch up with another car, i always stay right on the side of them through my whole first gear, and then begin to pull when i shift into second, the weird part is, it is always the same thing, it happened to the vr6, the spec v, like a 99 altima auto, and the firebird

im not going to doubt your story since you seem like an honest person and i have driven both gsr and spec-v so i know how they both accelerate, but like i said it could be the drivers.

we're kinda going off topic but since u brought up these story i too just want to say i've beaten a 90's 300zx nonturbo, supposedly that thing should have smoke me (well that waht i thought), but anyways i was pulling on him by like 1/3 of a car length from a short distance until i had to enter the freeway on ramp. yes, he was racing since i heard his tires squeeling before i step on the gas, so afterwards i was pretty happy and really surprised. later on i figured maybe i didn't beat the car but the driver. if i see the 300zx again, i will definately want to race again.

yeah i know, there are way to many variables in racing to say that i would beat that spec-v again---> but once more, im going to the track on sat so we will see how i fare im excited

good luck, hopefully u get some low times man

ive been wanting to go to the track , but i have to drive to gainsville just to get to one .... also my lisence is suspended , so i have been laying low on the roads lately ... hopefully i can get off work in time to take care of that today ....