hey!

well im a nissan person:)16 years old to be exact. i have a question...everyday i see thousands of civics in the street..like spreading bacteria! i see kids in my skool with CRX's trying to race integras, celicas, and all these <160hp cars. some even try to race american muscle! well anyway, dont get me wrong but.. whats so good about a civic??? i understand you can be a pround owner of a ITR or maybe even a civic Si. but a early 90's late 80's civic?? can someone tell me? please. thank you.

cheap, lighter, easy to do a motor swap and/or turbo.

4g civics and crx's were the lightest hatchback honda has produced. perfect candidates for for pretty much any kind of racing out there. besides, I used to have a 4g, love the shit out of it and I'm thinking about picking up another one just for the hell of it

Remember this, looks are not everything... it's what's under the hood, and the hours that have been put into tuning that matter. Plus driver ability accounts for a lot. I beat a lot of stuff at the track with my simple SOHC Vtec that I never should have. Likewise, I lost to a lot that I shouldn't have.

so how fast is a CRX with i/e?

A crx with I/h/e is not going to be very fast. but you better watch out for a crx with a swap and a turbo, he will blow the doors off of alot of stuff.

i see kids in my skool with CRX's trying to race integras, celicas, and all these <160hp cars. some even try to race american muscle!
those are the kids that I make fun of. There's a few different types of tuners, serious, hobby, and the wannabes. Like with my car I've got an integra gsr motor swapped into it with a lot of bolt ons, one of the fastest cars in my town. I have no problem trying to race people. But then you get the kids that will be an old civic or crx because they don't have much money but still want the "cool" car. And like I said, they're either broke or not very smart so mods aren't always there or the best. And then they have this old car with a loud muffler that sounds fast so then they think it's fast and then they want to race. :loser:

4g civics and crx's were the lightest hatchback honda has produced. perfect candidates for for pretty much any kind of racing out there. besides, I used to have a 4g, love the shit out of it and I'm thinking about picking up another one just for the hell of it

nope. gens before are even lighter but as far as "good" civics go yes 4th gens are lightest that are tuner cars.
I picked it for this very reason the EGs are portly compared to my 1900lb*now* hatchie.

But pretty much thats the reason cause if you know what your doing you can go real fast real cheap turn awesomely brake great and look nice doing it.

But the down side to its cheapness is the fact everyone can afford them and there are many who think they are fast and arn't but cause they got a 10k car and 10 intake think they can roll with the big boys.
As i love to say gotta pay to play.

Dumping 3G into a 4th gen civic will get you running with Z28s not many other cars can say that when you think about it

1987 Civic si hatchback - 1863
1988 Civic si hatchback - 1867
1983 Civic 1300 - 1835

such a huge difference :rolleyes:

1987 Civic si hatchback - 1863
1988 Civic si hatchback - 1867
1983 Civic 1300 - 1835

such a huge difference :rolleyes:
touchy touchy kiddo
i never said it was huge just didn't want you to give bad info thats all.

I saw a magazine article about a couple early 80's late 70's civics from Canada...it was quite intersting...they definatly did their research on those cars.

those are the kids that I make fun of. There's a few different types of tuners, serious, hobby, and the wannabes. Like with my car I've got an integra gsr motor swapped into it with a lot of bolt ons, one of the fastest cars in my town. I have no problem trying to race people. But then you get the kids that will be an old civic or crx because they don't have much money but still want the "cool" car. And like I said, they're either broke or not very smart so mods aren't always there or the best. And then they have this old car with a loud muffler that sounds fast so then they think it's fast and then they want to race. :loser:
kool. so your a kool honda guy:) you should have a talk with those kids who buy a wing and a fart can for their cars. i know someone with a wing and stickers on a "phat CRX" is reading this, but yall still can change. take kicker1_solo as yall's idol. anyway, props to you bro for having knowledge about your car! same to all you people who destroy and play with those camaros and mustangs:)

Yeah, I hate wings...they don't do any good on a FF car like a civic...heck, they don't do any good on a street car...

is the B18C5 the best B series engine? and whats the potential on these? what about a H22? whats so kool about it?

is the B18C5 the best B series engine? and whats the potential on these? what about a H22? whats so kool about it?
b18c5 is USDM *comes from US* Integra type R motor being able to sqeeze they power it does from a little motor pass an OBD2 sytem smog and get good gas its a great motor. Being allmotor head its my fav.

H22 is the top of line prelude motor being 2.2 liters it makes some TQ *well for a inline 4* so it really flys when put into a much lighter civic its a lot of work and does eat up your engine bay add weight to the front but its good for drag.

If you put an H22 in a civic you won't corner worht a damn. It adds to much weight to the front of the car and induces too much understeer. The car will do fine in a striaght line, but won't corner worth anything. The H22 in a civic is really only good for a drag motor in this sense..if you like the twisties or autocrossing, etc...the H22 is not a good choice...

The Type-R motor (USDM B18C5, JDM type-r is B18C) is considered the best naturally asperiated motor honda makes. It makes the most power out of any of the 1.6 or 1.8,s and it's power per liter ratio is pretty high. It is spendy, but is the best honda motor out of the box, and it a good naturally asperiated motor.

If forced induction (i.e turbocharger) is your thing, then I wouldn't recommend any of these motors. The B18B1 is a good motor to turbocharge. It has a low compression ratio, which helps reduce the risk of detination. If you know what you are doing and keep it tuned right, you can safly run it at 12psi on stock internals (I'd say go 12psi at the track, 10psi on the street).

The GSR and B16A can take boost too, but it's usually recommended not to go more than 8psi with these motors (it is always possible for somehow who really knows their stuff and there ecu and engine tunign to bend the numbers, but these numbers will generally hold true as a guidline.

kool. so your a kool honda guy:) you should have a talk with those kids who buy a wing and a fart can for their cars. i know someone with a wing and stickers on a "phat CRX" is reading this, but yall still can change. take kicker1_solo as yall's idol. anyway, props to you bro for having knowledge about your car! same to all you people who destroy and play with those camaros and mustangs:)

Well also realize every group of car owners have rice. I know lots of Nissan rice, Mazda rice, Ford rice.

But my 1988 CRX Si which was about 1900lbs? I forget ran the 1/4 mile just as fast as my 2700lbs 2000 Honda Civic Si. Even though the CRX had around 110hp and my Civic Si has 180hp. :)

Well also realize every group of car owners have rice. I know lots of Nissan rice, Mazda rice, Ford rice.

But my 1988 CRX Si which was about 1900lbs? I forget ran the 1/4 mile just as fast as my 2700lbs 2000 Honda Civic Si. Even though the CRX had around 110hp and my Civic Si has 180hp. :)

Yeah, rice isn't just a honda term, any car can be "rice" in the extent it is usually used. It's more of an attitude I would say, and the car usually ends up reflecting that attitude...

That's a good example, the CRX and Si, of why the power-to-weight ratio of a car matters, and why the little rex has a devoted following. At 1900 lbs, it doesn't take a ton of power to make that car go fast.

yeah, i didnt say just honda was rice. but anyway, i wanna learn more about engine codes. i know the b18c, c4, c5, b16a, b16b, and some D series i dont really care about. can someone please tell me of some i should know about? and what do they come in?

yeah, i didnt say just honda was rice. but anyway, i wanna learn more about engine codes. i know the b18c, c4, c5, b16a, b16b, and some D series i dont really care about. can someone please tell me of some i should know about? and what do they come in?


USDM Motors

B18B1...called the LS. 142HP 127 lbs ft of torque and 9.2:1 c/r. It achives peak torque at a lower rpm than any other b-series motor, 5200rpm for 127 ft-lbs vs the GSR 128ft-lbs @a around 6200rpm. It came in the LS, RS, and GS Integras from 94+, it is considered the best Honda Motor for Boost, and is non-vtec. It can handle uypwards of 12psi on stock internals, and has the lowest compression ratio of the b-series, which helps make it turbo friendly. An LS/Vtec is when you put a GSR, B16A or Type-R vtec head on an B18B1 block.

B18C1...The GSR motor, vtec. GSR Integras from 94+. 170hp, 128 ft-lbs of torque, 10.0:1 c/r

B17A...90-93 GSR motor, Vtec 160hp, about 113 ft-lbs of torque or so.

B18A1...the LS trim motor from 90-93 Integra. 130hp and 121 ft-lbs of torque in 90-91, 140hp in 92-93.

B16A...came in the Del Sol Vtec and the 99-00 Si, vtec. 158hp, 111 ft-lbs of torque and 10.2:1 c/r

B18C5...came in the Integra-Type-R, vtec...195hp 127 ft lbs of torque, 10.6:1 c/r

JDM

B16A...the 1st gen JDM B16A had 158hp and 111ft-lbs of torque, like the USDM ones...the 2nd gen JDM B16A's had 168hp and a little more torque...the JDM B16A has a slightly hihger c/r than the USDM ones. This motor came in 90-93 SiR tegs and in 88+ Civics. 88-91 is 1st gen, 92+ is 2nd gen for the B16A. 10.4:1 c/r in 2nd gen, 10.2:1 1st gen c/r.

B16B...The Civic Type-R motor...184HP, 10.6:1 c/r.

B18C (SiR)...Came in the Integra SiR (comparable to our GSR motor and trim line)...178hp...has a higher c/r than the USDM comparable motor (10.6:1)

B18C (Type-R)...came in the JDM type-R, 198-200hp and 133 ft-lbs of torque...10.6:1

i think you forgot the h series and f series and k series lol jp/ing with you man

oh yeah, what about those K engines?

oh yeah, what about those K engines?

You only asked about the B-series...so that's what I covered...here's a very brief run down on the K and H series.

The F-series is the 2.2 liter version of the d-series for the most part, you won't be swaping that into a car any time soon. For the most part, it's the weakest of honda's 2.2 liter motors...94-97 Accord EX, for example, came with an F22B1, it is 140hp and 149 ft-lbs of torque from 2.2 liters. The F22B2 (non-ex Accord motor) was 130hp and 139 ft-lbs of torque...there is a Euro-Accord f-series motor which is pretty good, but it's not too commen. I believe off the top of my head...it's around 190-200hp, though don't quote me. I can't remember the engine code off the topof my head.

The K20A2 is the RSX motor, and the H22 is the prelude motor...the H23 is the non-vtec prelude motor....sticking a K20 head on a K24 block (new CRX) is the new version of LS/Vtec.

The Prelude H22's vary between 195 and 220hp, depending on generation, jdm, usdm, etc...like I said, stick this is a civic and you won't corner well. It is 2.2 liters.

The K20A2 (RSX-Type-S) is a 2.0 liter motor, 200hp 160 lb-ft of torque motor it is the only honda k-series motor (other than the JDM Type-R K series) that use Vtec like it's normally use din the b-series, the other k-series for the most part use vtec for emissions more, and only operate some of the valves during pre-vtec...for emissions purposes, basically tuned for emissions and not power. The RSX-type-s K-series motor basically operates it in the convertonial manner we have come to know and love.

kool. but why does that S2000 engine suck so bad??? well i know its fast, but not even Mugen can get HP out of it??

nothing can
it's a shitbox

i 2nd that

i third your secomendation

if it says made in japan its low grade

if it's made out of recycled beer cans it's made in japan.
i think the pistons still say budweiser on the sides

damn where are the mods tonight? noones banned these wanklings

BTW the S2k motor is very high strung it can get HP squeezed outta it but ts not easy

lol...these fools drive a freaking ford fairmont and chevy celebrity puahahahaha

if its made in japan its quality!

Not always...some japanesse cars are really sucky. But compared to american economy cars, yes their quality.

The s2000 2.0 239 h.p engine is the best mass produced engine honda has done, period. It doesent matter if you cant squeeze that much hp out of it. Out of the box, it murders any inline four NA on this planet.

You Are Probably Just Jelious Because You Got Beat By One Of Those Civics

What about the SRT-4 ?

What about the SRT-4 ?
dont even start with that POS.

You Are Probably Just Jelious Because You Got Beat By One Of Those Civics
are you talkin to me? ...no i dont even race yet. but im sure i can beat somthing similar to my sentra with a honda badge. lets say a 91 4-door honda civic!? whats the hp on those? torque? numbers? my car has 110hp stock, and 108lbs-ft torque. now i have a K&N filter and a high-flow cat, then 2" mendrell bent pipe, all leading to a Magnaflow muffler. i dont think you should even hook those cars up. not even me, i just want my car to breathe better:) but i think i should be able to spank a civic similar to mine with the mods i have.

my 94 civic has 125hp 106ft lb of torque all i have now is header and 2 inch exhaust to a momo course muffler

dont even start with that POS.


its got potentiallllll

Did an of the Inbreeds from the previous page realize the reason it is so hard to extract power out of the S2000 motor is because it was well designed and very well tuned in the first place. Honda desgined it to be a high-reving N/A motor, and the pushed a lot of out it for the size. The reason it's hard to extract power it because they designed it well. But do thery realize this? No, of course not, their to busy f....ok...it's stop with that one there, lol. But seriously. It's hard to extract power frpoom Becuase Honda A) Designed it well and B)Tuned it well, versus D-tuning it. Did they ever stop to think the reason it's easy to extract power out of a lot of weaker motors...it's because many a motor comes DETUNED from the Factory, and that's not even taking into acount how well they were designed. If you want to though, you can get some power out of the 2000 motor. It was either Comptech or Vortec who had a Supercharger for the S2000 which had more pre-vtec torque than the stock N/A S2000's peak torque, which is post vtec of course. That supercharger really bumped the power numbers all things considered. Anyone who knows me on here knows a I hate Superchargers and generally prefer turbos as a route when applicable. For me to compliment a Supercharger, it must have done a pretty good job.

yeah but still, it sucks cause its toped out! the most powerful in the world is like 500hp? a SR20DET tops out at 700hp. and this is 13 year old technology! so dont come up with this "the s2000 is a badass engine"

yeah but still, it sucks cause its toped out! the most powerful in the world is like 500hp? a SR20DET tops out at 700hp. and this is 13 year old technology! so dont come up with this "the s2000 is a badass engine"
yea 500 hp that really sucks. Its a badass motor for n/a. SR20 is a beast turbo motor and they can make more then 700 Tomei made a 800HP one that ran race gas.
sk2 is a great motor for what it is desgined to work just how it does can't ask more out a company.

yeah but still, it sucks cause its toped out! the most powerful in the world is like 500hp? a SR20DET tops out at 700hp. and this is 13 year old technology! so dont come up with this "the s2000 is a badass engine"

And 500HP is a bad motor? The S2000 can handle on a track like it's on rails. 500HP is a lot for a motor, whether you think it is or not...How many 500HP motors have you seen? Also, as Ace$nyper said, the S2000 Motor is one hell of an N/A motor. Turbo motors will almost always have a higher end potential for power due to the fact that it's Forced Induction...it can shove more air into it, it's the very nature of HOW the motor makes power. A stock N/A 240HP 4-banger is impressive, like it or not. Topping that out around 500HP is even more impressive. BTW, the 13 year difference doesn't mean anything to me. 13 year old technolgy? They are both Internal Combustion Pistion Engines, so the basic technolgy of HOW the motor works didn't change. It's just engine design and tuning, etc. The S2000 motor is a great Motor for what Honda Designed it to do. It was never designed to be a Drag car, it was designed to be a track car. It handles like it's on rails, and with the proper suspension mods it will only get better. 500HP is a heck of a top end for a car designed for the twisties and the track. Not all cars and motors are designed for straight line speed, remember that before you go bashing them. Just because YOU don't repesct cars designed for these other purposes doesn't mean others feel the same way.

It was never designed to be a Drag car, it was designed to be a track car.

that's all that needs to be said. Engine was built for one purpose and that is it. How many track cars do you see with a 4500 rpm redline. Different cars are built for different applications.

BTW: I missed you at HIN, gave you a call, twice i think, but it was hella loud in there, I'll shoot you a PM.

that's all that needs to be said. Engine was built for one purpose and that is it. How many track cars do you see with a 4500 rpm redline. Different cars are built for different applications.

BTW: I missed you at HIN, gave you a call, twice i think, but it was hella loud in there, I'll shoot you a PM.

Yeah, my phone kept dying on me. I forgot to bring my charger up to seattle with me. I had a car charger, but that didn't do any good in that situation of course.

BTW:I wish everyone realized what you said....different cars are build for different applications.