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track day with 99 Cobra. open headers?


daveshapellSVT
04-23-2004, 06:04 PM
I went down to the track last weekend and i'm thirsty for more practice.. i'm gonna end up going next saturday cause i ordered some drag radials and they should be comming early this comming week.. Now i was wondering, would it be stupid to run open headers? I have stock headers, but i would think that would still give some power.. Stupid or is it worth a faster time? If i would get some gains how big?

Also, will doing this harm the car?

GTStang
04-23-2004, 06:26 PM
A lot of tracks don't allow open headers. Plus I don't think your gonna find much of any power gain with it.

SikNingStang
04-23-2004, 06:49 PM
yea, also I've been told when I was running open headers for a day before I had my exhaust done that I was risking burning up a valve b/c my exhaust wasn't long enough. If that's true then you'd be risking that too. Also you mainly working on launches and quicker 60' times aren't you? If so open headers will kill your acceleration.

daveshapellSVT
04-23-2004, 07:51 PM
this is hardly comparable, but my buddy was running 15.01 in his GSR, then ran a 14.56 running open header.. So i figured if a tiny 1.8 liter bumbble B18 can manage a half second faster time then imagine what a mustang Cobra could do..

BadA$$Snake
04-23-2004, 08:21 PM
Hmm, I don't really think that open headers would matter all that much. you might gain maybe a tenth of a second or so, maybe three at most. But my one question is this, what about back pressure, woudl you still make enough without teh full exhaust system? :uhoh:

daveshapellSVT
04-23-2004, 08:31 PM
Think about serious horsepower making cars like top fuelers or even cars at the local track.. they don't run exhaust systems.. it's all open headers.. i never understood that whole backpressure deal..

daveshapellSVT
04-23-2004, 08:33 PM
also think about how much power is gained by freeing up your exhaust with X pipes, headers and cat backs.. mach1's make 20WHP with a freer flowing X pipe.. i would think if you just eliminated the exhaust all together that would give the biggest results..

z28 boy
04-23-2004, 09:54 PM
TO much back pressure is bad not enough back pressure is equaly as bad.

daveshapellSVT
04-23-2004, 09:59 PM
why is it bad?

z28 boy
04-24-2004, 09:37 PM
This is the simplest way i can explain it some body jump in if they know another way. Ok put ur hand about 5in in front of ur face. Ok blow at ur hand with ur mouth almost completely closed, u can bearly feel the air right. Ok now open ur mouth all the way like at the dentist and blow. U run out of air to quik right and u bearly feel it. Now open ur mouth like u r going to whistle and blow at ur hand. U get a longer lasting and stronger stream of air right. Cars now in days work wonders with small air related mods. If u get a bad ass intake but no exhaust then ur intake is going to waste since it can only take in as much air as it can let out. If u have an exhaust u have the perffict blend of air coming in and out. But if u go open header then u are letting to much air out. I hope u see what i am saying.

ridge_runner
04-25-2004, 08:00 PM
small blocks depend on back pressure, big blocks dont really need it, thats y they run open headers

ridge_runner
04-25-2004, 08:04 PM
and the dragsters headers have like a 5 or so inch long pipe on it, like a mini straight pipe

lazysmurff
04-25-2004, 10:04 PM
to add to what z28 boy said...

those top fuel dragsters are not only running open headers, but look at the throttle bodies...those things will suck in lear jets flying over head. they are simply matching intake with exhaust.

and in experience, my buddies old ford truck ran open headers for a day, then hit the shop.

its been my experience that if your not sure what will happen when you perform a mod, dont. unless you have to money to fix any problems that come up.

daveshapellSVT
04-26-2004, 07:25 PM
ok thanks , yea i understand the hole deal now..

e3j1c1
04-26-2004, 10:29 PM
I ran my car a few days with open headers but I couldn't hear my radio and my interior stunk of exhaust. I didn't notice any change in performance, so besides sounding badass it didn't do a whole lot for my car.

daveshapellSVT
04-26-2004, 11:48 PM
hell of a nice car by the way! whats it have a 396?

e3j1c1
04-27-2004, 12:45 AM
Nope, but i wouldnt mind.
The 396 was only put in SS, which doesn't mean i couldn't have slipped one in it though ;)

daveshapellSVT
04-27-2004, 01:11 AM
i don't really know too much about chevelles.. so whats in it a 350? how much power you putting down? i love chevelles.. i remember when i was younger there was this guy at a light, i believe it was a tubbed out 454 SS and i asked him to smoke the tires lol he was like its too easy, but when the light turned green he smoked them.. it was sweet..

I love american muscle!

e3j1c1
04-27-2004, 01:22 AM
Yeah it has a 350 in it, closer to 355, .030 over. Stock was a somkey 307 (dog) and a 2 speed powerglide. In other words, it was a granny car. Compression is stock, not exactly sure what it is, probably around 8.5. I put a steel crank in it, 3 inch highrise GM intake, 750 holly, 2.02" heads, some tough springs and rockers and a crane cam, 300 duration .470 lift. Never had the HP tested, and traction is always a problem.

daveshapellSVT
04-27-2004, 01:29 AM
nice.. have you gone to the track this yr yet?you live near rochester ny?

e3j1c1
04-27-2004, 02:35 AM
Havent been to the track, i think it opened two weekends ago. Its 1/8 mile track, so i need lower gears before i go. I live in iowa, there is a race track called Mid America Motorplex, or something like that, about 7 miles from my house i go to.

daveshapellSVT
04-28-2004, 01:48 AM
coolness.. i'm thinking of going to the track this weekend see what i run with the drag radials..

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