3kgt deserves more respect

why is it that the 3000gt doesnt get as much respect as cars such as RX7'S or Supras. dont take me wrong i like those cars a lot but theyre somewhat overrated IMO. I think the 3kgt deserves more respect. if you go to any other forum besides this one, they will tell you that its a tank and that it cant kick ass. the 3000gt was the last one to be produced in the States and yet you dont see them in magazines or websites that much. you see tons of Supras, RX7S, AND Hondas, but no 3kgts. maybe its good in a way because i wouldnt want for the 3kgt to become a trendy car. i dont know what? What do you guys think? Am i exaggeratin g or is it the truth?

This is actually a common rant amoung us(3s owners). I've had people tell me their SL's were over 4200lbs, that their Jetta beat a 3000gt, blah blah blah...the problem is a lack of knowledge due to their limited availability and lack of pop-culture popularity. It's more of a cult following. This comes with the benefit of blowing the doors off alot of cars without them ever knowing what hit them, but also hurts us with the lack of aftermarket research and products. I am sure every 3s owner/enthusiast here would agree with you. It's nice and it sucks at the same time, personally I prefer it over having my vr4 be the next civic...but we do share your frustration.

myself and yogs have gained the vr4 much respect in the street racing forum, they know what it can do and have heard my racing stories. they will still speak on how heavy it is, cause it is, but it is still a monster, more than they really know.

thanks guys

myself and yogs have gained the vr4 much respect in the street racing forum, they know what it can do and have heard my racing stories. they will still speak on how heavy it is, cause it is, but it is still a monster, more than they really know.


Yes it does suck that our cars dont get much publicity. But as long as we know and a few other know what they can do iam happy. I mean they can bitch and complain about our weight anyday but can still run a 1/4 mile in 13.5 secs stock. Thats just as fast as supras, camaro's, rx7, hondas and they all weigh alot less. I added up all the weights and they average out to be 356.7 lbs leighter than our cars. And we can still compete.

haha...and the supra is the only one of those besides us that can run that stock...

These cars are heavy, especially a vr-4. But our engines are able to produce slightly more power faster than a 2jz when modified correctly and the supra is a heavy car as well but the drivetrain loss is our only weakness. And as proof the owner of GtPro as quoted in modified magazine owns 1 heavily modified supra, a modified skyline, and a 3000gt vr-4 with 150,000 mi on it and said that the 3000gt was the ultimate street car

how much does the VR4 weigh?

how much does the VR4 weigh?


A healthy 3800lbs.

91 vr4 = 3791
92 vr4 = 3802
93,94 = 3803
95,96 = 3781, spyder vr4 = 3803
97,98,99 = 3737

Yes it does suck that our cars dont get much publicity. But as long as we know and a few other know what they can do iam happy. I mean they can bitch and complain about our weight anyday but can still run a 1/4 mile in 13.5 secs stock. Thats just as fast as supras, camaro's, rx7, hondas and they all weigh alot less. I added up all the weights and they average out to be 356.7 lbs leighter than our cars. And we can still compete.

why was honda's put in this? only honda i know in our league is the nsx, thats it!! is that what you meant by honda?

igovert500 the camaro ss runs 13.5 and has actually run faster than that. from your comment the supra is the only car out of those that can run our times. not attacking you or anything, just a heads up :smile:






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#10 MITSUBISHI 3000GT

Putting the power to the pavement is the name of the acceleration game. The Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 has 320 hp, much less than the Jag and Lightning, and the same power rating as the Mustang Cobra. So what gives the Mitsubishi the advantage over them? Traction.

This is the only all-wheel-drive car in this test. That means no wheelspin. Launching the Mitsubishi is so simple, it's like flying into outer space - even a monkey can do it. Just tach up the DOHC twin-turbocharged V6 up near its 6000 rpm power peak and drop that clutch. Granted, this isn't the best thing for the car's durability, but it sure gets this 2+2 off the line like a slingshot. All four 18-in. tires dig in, the 3000GT squats like Mike Piazza, and you are gone.

Don't expect any rubber when you throw gears, either. Tire slip in this car is harder to come by than a date with Pamela Anderson. Shifter action and clutch takeup could be a bit smoother, so quick gear changes aren't easy. But the V6's surprising amount of low-end torque really gets the heavy Mitsubishi going. And the motor pulls right up to its 7000 rpm redline.

One thing missing from the Mitsubishi's stellar performance: the right sounds. Its hair dryer exhaust note just doesn't cut it.

Test Summary:
Mitsubishi 3000GT

Base price: $44,600, Price as tested: $45,140
Engine: 3.0L/181.0 CID DOHC 24v twin turbo V6
HP: 320 @ 6000 rpm, Torque: 315 ft.-lb. @ 2500 rpm
Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/awd
Final drive: 3.87:1 w/center viscous coupling
Curb weight: 3737 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 11.7
Horsepower/liter: 106.7, Tires: 245/40ZR18
Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.70 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.00 sec.
1/4 mile: 13.44 sec. @ 101.79 mph







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#9 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS

This one is a mystery.

This Camaro SS, powered by the same 320-hp LS1 V8 as our Pontiac Firebird Formula WS-6, ran a 13.42 at 106.15 mph - more than quick enough to beat archrival Mustang and assure its place on the quickest-Camaros-of-all-time list. However, it's not even close to the blistering time delivered by the Pontiac. Why?

The answer, again, is traction. The Camaro is very difficult to launch cleanly. Too many revs, like anything over 1500, and the tires go up in smoke for all of First gear. Too few and the car bogs. The Firebird, however, is very easy to launch. Tach up to 2500 rpm, ride the clutch just a bit and you're out of there. Why the difference between the two seemingly identical cars? That's like asking why two socks go in the laundry and only one comes out. It's one of the mysteries of the world, especially when you consider that both cars wear the same-size Goodyear Eagle F1 tires, have the same engine, same gearing, etc.

Despite being slower than its GM brother, the Camaro is still one of the most fun cars to blast down the track thanks to its awesome engine, its strong clutch, its short throw shifter and its musclecar soundtrack. This car rumbles up to the line. It launches with a roar from its two exhaust pipes and it sounds like Steve McQueen's Mustang running after that Dodge Charger on the gear changes.

Test Summary:
Chevrolet Camaro SS

Base price: $20,870, Price as tested: $27,466
Engine: 5.7-liter/346.0 cu.-in. OHV 16v V8
HP: 320 @ 5200 rpm, Torque: 345 ft.-lb. @ 4400 rpm
Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear drive
Rear axle: 3.42:1 limited-slip
Curb weight: 3439 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 10.8
Horsepower per liter: 56.1, Tires: 275/40ZR17
Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 2.27 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.27 sec.
1/4 mile: 13.42 sec. @ 106.15 mph

^ thanx for the correction and I do have to say I enjoyed this, "Tire slip in this car is harder to come by than a date with Pamela Anderson." especially because of the number of stupid highschool students who I have had to explain to why I can't spin my tires for them...granted I don't lose any sleep over their disappointment...but it's just irratating to be waiting at a red light and hear the same, "Hey, Hey! How much horsepower does that have?...Spin the tires!"

lol, i too have h ad to explain many times i can't spin my tires

Base price: $44,600, Price as tested: $45,140
Engine: 3.0L/181.0 CID DOHC 24v twin turbo V6
HP: 320 @ 6000 rpm, Torque: 315 ft.-lb. @ 2500 rpm
Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/awd
Final drive: 3.87:1 w/center viscous coupling
Curb weight: 3737 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 11.7
Horsepower/liter: 106.7, Tires: 245/40ZR18
Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.70 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.00 sec.
1/4 mile: 13.44 sec. @ 101.79 mph

ok, now im not really trying to knock on you guys and your 3k's but look at that price tag. i would rather spend about $10k on a good integra and another $5k on upgrades and turbo and BAM i have a much faster car than a VR4. honda and acura try to put these cars into the pocket books of every average joe. then the after market came along and noticed this. everyone might one a civic or integra, but not like mine. the reeason you can also see honda/acura in alot of these magazines is that how many companies out there can take a 4 cylinder and post times like they do. a 10 second civic for example. that is pretty amazing. and how many cylinders does the 3k have? that's why.

not to start an argument, just an opinion

thats 44 grand brand new, my car cost me 8 grand, rather have a real sports car than turn my gas saving economicaly slow car into a sports car. now i love teg type r thats a nice car but don't come over here speaking when your not sure whats going on, we run 13.5 stock, why you run 16's our top speed is 160 why yours is 110 and i can get to 110 3 sec before you can even hit the 1/4 mile. now granted we can sit here all day and say i can buy a 86 stang soup it up and it will be faster than a ferrari, but i'd still rather have a ferrari than a 86 stang, the inside of our cars are way more advanced and looks waaaaay better than a teg. now you can take your comment and say the same thing to the skylines and supras and corvettes, but we all would rather have our 3kgt's skylines, supra's and corvettes.

thank you!

Here here. I love my GT...all day, every day, in every way!!! :)

stupid guy what does he think he's saying. nothing compares to the 3000gt. im tired of all those really poppy cars.

actually before you say how can i compare, i found that the gt runs a 15.8 stock, my ls runs 16 flat. hmm, not bad for a 4cyl. i'm just saying pay your money for that gas guzling boat while im saving money. everyone looks at the 3k and thinks its wide, looks goofey, has a bottle nose, and makes this funny sound. and it does not handle like that smaller cars. that is why it is not popular.

and the VR4 runs a 13.6, not bad. but can be easily reachable for my car.

and the VR4 runs a 13.6, not bad. but can be easily reachable for my car.

I don't doubt it, but once people enter the mod this, mod that arguement, it all goes downhill (and threads get locked).

As to the price tag comment you made a bit earlier - there is always a different combination of money that will get you a different car and better performance. What is important is that you get the car with the styling and performance that matches your budget. When I bought my 94, the 45K was the right price for what I wanted. At the time it was as faster then most and more stylish then all. When I bought the Spyder, it was slower but it is more unique and sytlish which made it exactly what I wanted for the money I have.

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And back to the topic of the thread -

Speed is rock solid in these cars and for some reason some people just don't want to believe it. Most of the people who bring up the weight of these cars really don't know what they are talking about. Weight is a factor, but so is the gearing, the power bands, traction and a host of others (not even counting the largest one - the driver).

I stand up for the 3000 and our sister car the Stealth. I let people know what they can do and how well they perform. Many unsuspecting upstarts get a surprise as to how distant my taillights look. They all buy into the same rumors and false facts about the cars (or raced a 164hp base model at one time).

As to gaining respect. I think that can be won over by the owners of our fine cars acting graciously when we win and honorably when we lose.













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"everyone looks at the 3k and thinks its wide, looks goofey, has a bottle nose, and makes this funny sound. and it does not handle like that smaller cars. that is why it is not popular."
-I've never heard anyone but you say that...I get plenty of looks and comments about my car...none of them have been in that respect.
Justin Timberlake is popular too...personally I don't care if you think my car isn't...

-I've never heard anyone but you say that...I get plenty of looks and comments about my car...none of them have been in that respect.

people say the damndest things behind your back. i tell a good friend of mine that owns a kia that she has a nice car. but for me, its a piece of sh*%. we all try to respect one anothers taste in their car, i would not walk up to you and say your car looks like crap, unless its your beater.


As to gaining respect. I think that can be won over by the owners of our fine cars acting graciously when we win and honorably when we lose.

goes for everyone:iagree:

I'm saying I used to drive a Honda and i never had anyone ask me at a redlight how much hp it had, or say sweet ride, or is that twin turbo? stuff like that...they didn't care. I get that in my vr4 all the time, and I don't think it's from people who think it's ugly.

Not to mention...why are you, an integra lover coming into this forum anyway...if you don't like the 3000, aren't you in the wrong place? You said you don't like Kias...do you go in there and let them know your opinions of their cars too?

umm not to bash on you but look at the prices now and imo the 3k looks so much better and is so rare so there

just today i seen this chick look at my car and give me a thumbs up, i get it all the time "is that a ferrari" lol youngteg you know nothing and if your teg cost 10 grand and mine cost 8 then who won the deal here? i spent 2 grand less than you and run a 13.9 stock. now if you spend 4 grand to run mid 14's i'l spend 4 grand to run low 12's if you spend 5-6 grand to run low 13's i'll be runnig mid 11's, and look good while i'm doing it :smokin:

get back at me :evillol:

Heres my 2 cents:

1. The 3000GT isnt a sports car, its a touring car. It'd a beast on the streets and on the highway, but its weight effects braking and cornering so it never was that huge on the curcuit among the Jap Import promoters (BMI, Best Motoring) and the British (Top Gear.) Thats why it isnt that popular among the import crowd. That and the fact that they're damn expensive so the target demographic arent the ones who can afford and modify them, and talk about them online.

2. The Integra is inferior to the 3000GT in every performance aspect. But what you said about the interior i'd have to disagree with, the Integras is roomier and looks nice, not so plasticky. My roomate has a 3KGT and I dont like the interior 1 bit, seems a lil cheap to me but thats just my opinion.

3. Whats wrong with being underestimated and mysterious? NOBODY knows about the MR2 Turbo outside of the automotive enthusiast world. I'd rather be underestimated than anything else... never let em see you coming, keep em guessin.

Either way, the 3S is a hell of a car, its gorgeous and very fast, and on the highway "Fahgettaboutit"

one thing that the vr4 is not known is is high speed handling now i'm not talking about hitting corner at 40mph, i'm talking about doing 90mph and hitting a corner that says 40mph. i outhandled my pops vette in the idaho pass and have tested my car also through washingtons snoqualmie pass. known to be pretty dangerous. our skidpad is better than that of an bmw m3. we just have some probs(because of weight) with sharp corners at semi high speeds. now yes a teg is roomier but it is also roomier than a mr-2 and a rx-7 that doesn't change the fact that it is very nice on the inside ioo(in our opinions)inside of an integra loks like every other normal car to me nothing impressive.

but look at that price tag.and remember that is the relail price from 1999.

You can get an 99 3k in exelent shape for 20k or less.

Add $1000 in mods and you have a car that will eat your integra for lunch, leek better, ride better and be a joy to drive.

And best of all your not one of thousands you'll have the joy or driving a car that is unique on the road.


oh yea and I still get 27+mpg daily driven on my sl or my TT. :D

and remember that is the relail price from 1999.



And best of all your not one of thousands you'll have the joy or driving a car that is unique on the road.


oh yea and I still get 27+mpg daily driven on my sl or my TT. :D



One of thousands... LoL very true

i got this of another forum, looks like lots of people like our cars :loser:

Poll Question:
which one do you like best




Results:
Stealth tt [9%] 6 votes
Civic [3%] 2 votes
S2000 [13%] 8 votes
Accord [2%] 1 votes
NSX [13%] 8 votes
Supra [27%] 17 votes
WRX [5%] 3 votes
EVO8 [6%] 4 votes
Delsol [3%] 2 votes
RX7 [3%] 2 votes
1 st gen Talon TSI [3%] 2 votes
Gallant VR4 [0%] 0 votes
Mitsubishi GTO [14%] 9 votes
FTO [0%] 0 votes
ALCLOYNE SVX (SUBARU CAR TUNED BY ALCLONE) [0%] 0 votes

3000gt vs an integra ls? i had an 94 ls and it was a great car, but then i wrecked it and bought a 3000gt SL in comparison, the 3000GT SL takes it all... the integra was great with proformance but it was never able to hit more then 120s... the 3kGT was able to hit 138 in 4th gear... the looks of an integra isn't bad, but it is in no comparison to the looks of a 3k, everyone looks when there's a 3k around, with the integra, it's a everyday car... the interior of the integra is nice, and the 3k is supreme.. i never had a car with so many damn buttons in it before, there's a button for everything... as far as the popularity of our cars, i dont' have a clue.. my whole school loves my car and everyone around me, so why isn't the rest of the world, idk.. as for money wise, our cars are expensive, but the supra is so much more as well as the rx7..