Best engine

If you think about it, it is kinda a comparison. Which engine has the highest BHP/Liter ratio? Not only that but, it has to have class. So you could have a toyota and BMw at about the same BHP/L but the BMW has more class and a rep. I pretty much trying to say "What is the best luxury/super car engine?" BTw, it does have to be a production model and Super and Turbo charged cars are allowed.

My vote currently goes to the 2001 Subaru Impreza WRX STi with 140 BHP/L and a total of 275 BHP! It's the better version of the WRX. It ain't luxury but it sure is Super! :flamer:

Well, Porsche Turbo's are great, Ferrari V8's are wonderful (NA...impressive...not to mention the 8 in the F40) and so is the V12 they use in F50. The Leblanc Caroline is great too...but that's not really a production car.

Man, there are just so many super-efficient engines, there really is no way to say what's the best.

13B ROTARY.
RB26DETT.
RBXGT or whatever (400R engine).
BMW M V12
BMW M V8
Small Block Chevy (or atleast the Callaway LS1 in the Holden HSV GTS, 400 horses baby!!)

But the "coolest" engines aren't found in cars anyway. They are in jets. :cool: :p :D ;)

EDIT: Sorry but I think the engine of the HSV GTS is called the Callaway C4B. :)

The Subaru Impresa WRX.
350 Chev Small Block.
Nissan's R34 Power Plant :D

How about the Integra Type R engine?

How did I forget the RB26DETT and the 13B? Oh, I feel so stupid!:rolleyes:

High hp/l doesn't make a better engine.

IMO and being objective I'd say the small block chevy is by far the best engine ever made, followed closely by the small block Ford.

For current luxury cars I'd choose the Cadillac Northstar V8.

Also the LS6 from the Z06.

I didn't say the highest HP/L makes the best engine, that's why I tacked on the 275 at the end. It's a small displacement High HP engine, therefore it is good.

i don't know much about engines.

for now i must say civic's engine because i know it's reliable and i know it's not bad performance for price

How about the AMG 3.2 litre V6 found in the C32 AMG? Produces 354 horses and 111 horses per litre!

The small block Chev is world known and very reliable and you can get some serious hp out of them, and you never have parts problems with them.

The little thundering V8 of a Ferrari 355 that makes the greatest sound ever. :)

I haerd one before and you're right! They sound like friken turbines! Another really good engine is the S2000's, it's not the best car but it is ctaching up with the "M" Roadster, Boxster "S" and the SLK 320. Another is the Mclaren's the LM model however. 680Hp 6.0 Liter V12 by BMW. It dosen't get any better than that.

you cannot compare hp/l with NA and FI engines. more than not the forced induction engine will win. but the McLaren's engine is by far the best. 627 or 680 horses....cant beat it.

Some people don't seem to understand that these high hp/l engines are near the limits of their possible output. (at least without forced induction)

An American V8, while seeming unimpressive with relatively low hp/l, is nowhere near its limit.

Also remember high hp/l is much more difficult with larger engines. That is why the Honda S2000 engine has low hp/l when compared to a titchy Honda motorbike engine.

True, a lot of V-12's don't have as high of HP/L as small four bangers. With a Turbocharged or Supercharged engine it's fairly easy to break 100 HP/L. The one thing 'm not understanding is why BMw decided to make such a powerful engine for the Mclaren (I know it is a race derived Engine) and why you don't see higher number in BMw's other engines like there V-12 for the 750iL and their infamous 5.0L V-8 found in the M5 and Z8. I'd like to see that thing up to about 450HP.

Originally posted by Lizard King

Also remember high hp/l is much more difficult with larger engines. That is why the Honda S2000 engine has low hp/l when compared to a titchy Honda motorbike engine.

the s2000 engine has made a world record of the most hp/L out of any naturally aspirated prodcution engine
120hp/L and i think it got beat now by one of the new honda bikes which has 130hp/L, so the s2000 by no means has low hp/L

it lacks torque but not hp

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....Read what I said again. I never said it low hp/l, I said it had low hp/l when compared to certain bikes engines. My point was to show that smaller displacement engines are easier to get high hp/l from.

Uh, not to get technical or anything but, that's not entirely accurate.... Lawnmower engines have a top Horsepower of about 8 and that's pushing it, They must have the displacement of a small dirtbike engine at least, maybe 25cc. So I guess that puts the ratio at?

Well, it doesn't always work out that way. I never said smaller engines ALWAY have higher hp/l. I said that it is easier to make high hp/l from a smaller engine. Larger engines will always have more potential though.

Nissans "VQ" is the best engine ever made:D

Originally posted by joeB
Nissans "VQ" is the best engine ever made:D

Please that has to be one of the worst engines Nissan made. The cranks are shockingly weak. At one of our local tuning houses, I happen to see none other than (4) 300ZX twin turbos with broken cranks, all were the number 3 journal.

The RB series is the flagship. Even though Nissan only proclaims 275 bhp in the R34 Vspec ll GTR they have been dynoed at over 350bhp off the show room floor. If you remove the restictor plug in the boost control line to the control valve they will boost to 1 bar factory pushing the hp over the 380 bhp mark. That is with no modification to anything else including removing the cat.

I hate to burst peoples bubbles about the WRX and EVO's with their proclaimed 275 bhp, but when actually put on a chassis dyno they throw less than 155 kw at the wheels, that is 202 bhp to the wheels, while two R34 GTR's with their proclaimed 275 bhp threw 225kw (310bhp) and 227kw (304bhp) respectively. This is on the same dyno at the same day.

As much as I love the GTR it is hard to argue against the 13B rotary of the twin turbo charged FD RX7 Bat.

Well I am not sure if it has the most power per liter, but the 511 and 528 Hemis will put out over 700 HP and Torque right out of the crate.

Originally posted by Polygon
Well I am not sure if it has the most power per liter, but the 511 and 528 Hemis will put out over 700 HP and Torque right out of the crate.

Care to elaborate a bit more on these two motors. I have never heard of them and what car did they come in.

Chrysler created the Hemi, otherwise known as the elephant motor. The popular size is the famous 426 Hemi which produces over 500 HP and Torque. It could be found in the Dodge Charger, Dodge Challenger, Plymouth Road Runner, Plymouth GTX, Plymouth Cuda, and the Plymouth Superbird. Later on they made the two "crate motors." This meaning that they were never put in any factory car. Chrysler made them for people who felt that the 426 just wasn't enough for them, so they made the 511ci and 528ci Hemi engines. To be more exact the 511 Hemi produces around mid 600 HP and Torque and the 528 is over 700HP and Torque right out of the crate.

Chrysler has plans to remake the Hemi in a 360ci size for the Ram's, Jeep's, and hopefully the new Charger R/T.

Oh ok cool. Cheers

I dont know what land your on but here the Maxima is the flagship
and the VQ is one of the best engines ever made. There is nothing weak
about them, dont talk about engines that you know nothing about.
Besides this forum says best engine, thats whY I said the VQ...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by joeB
I dont know what land your on but here the Maxima is the flagship
and the VQ is one of the best engines ever made. There is nothing weak
about them, dont talk about engines that you know nothing about.
Besides this forum says best engine, thats whY I said the VQ...:rolleyes:

I am from Chicago orginally but now reside in New Zealand. The engine is was refering to is probably not part of your vocabulary so here it is in a nut shell.

Until recently the US never got to enjoy the Nissan Skyline. The engine is the RB series. The engine you are reffering to is weak and plain and simply a family sedan motor. The Maxima is not a flagship by any stretch of the imagination and I hightly suggest you do some research. Nissan put the VQ V6 motors in the the 300 ZX twin turbo. That car is not even on the same page as the Skyline in performance. Nissan's flagship is the GTR full stop. Designed and produced to compete in the JGTC (Japanese Grand Touring Car) series. The Maxima is a bloody family car mate.

Now before you go and make yourself look even more foolish check in to it. The R32, R33, & R34 GTR's come out as a proclaimed 275 bhp as per the agreement of the Japanese auto manufactures and Governments friendly agreement. R34's dyno tested off the show room flow have produced more than 320 BHP. My R32 GTR which is a 1992 will throw more power at the wheels then the Maxima will have at the fly wheel. So your little Maxima would not even come close to that. The RB26DETT that is 2.6 liter straight six with twin turbos would absolutely shit all over that VQ 3 liter powered Maxima.

Just because you live in the States does not mean you see the best of the best. Actually up until the last year Evo's, WRX's, and GTR's were very little known. You would have only seen them on TV or on the net. You will start seeing more of them filtering in.

Now unless you can provide some proof of that VQ Maxima being the flagship of Nissan, which I know you won't maybe a retraction would be nice.

Originally posted by Porsche

I didn't say the highest HP/L makes the best engine, that's why I tacked on the 275 at the end. It's a small displacement High HP engine, therefore it is good.

So its not good because of HP/L, but it is good because its small displacement and high HP?

Winston's onto something. Judging engines(In terms of "best") based on peak HP per liter is like judging the attractiveness of women based on bust size per pound.

Please ddont tell me Im foolish when you are the one that is stupid here.
I dont care what Nissan you think is the flagship
but your wrong, maybe you think your smarter than the people at Nissan
but I highly think not. Why is it you want to say that The VQ is a weak
family car motor? If its making 255 this year I really dont think that is
considered weak. Dont make yourself look stupid by saying yourself
that some other Nissan product is the flagship. Since the Skyline isnt
here in the US, why are you bringing it up so much?, when people put
best engine here , I was assuming in the USA,. By the way, the VQ that
is in the Maxima and 02 Altima is far from being weak.... If you havent
got a clue on the engines In talking about maybe YOU need to do some
research yourself before you make yourself look stupid....:rolleyes:

Joe:
MotoRex imports the Skyline into the Sates.

The Maxima is not the flagship, it is a family saloon.

The VQ is not the best engine available in the States.

Get your facts right. I have them right. I have done the research. Go to Nissan japan and see for yourself. Check out the JGTC website. You will not find the Maxima even listed in the GT300 class (lowest available).

The Skyline is not the best car in the world. What it does it does better than those in its class.

Until you can prove me wrong then I will not shut up. So provide me and the rest of those watching this thread with the documentation, website, PROOF. Simple!

255 bhp is nothing. The GTR produces more than in factory trim out of 2.6 liter double over head cam, twin turbo charged engine. If the Japanese though the VQ was the best motor or base motor to work with they would be using it in all the top Nissan cars in Japan. They use the RB26DETT or the SR20DET depending on the class they working to. For all out performance and block strength the RB26 is it. There is nothing else until you get into the V8 Nissan motor, and even at that the Japanese are just starting to explore it. Your Top tuning houses such as HKS, Vailside, Jun, Top Secrete, Trust, Blitz, Tommy Kaira, Apexi, the list goes on use the RB motor.

If you still do not believe me go to the HKS or Apexi websites in Amercia. See what engine they use in their drag cars. See what engine the top two tuners in the States use. Don't take my word for it, go and see for yourself.

The problem as I see it you are just blinded by narrow mindedness and are now backed into a corner with no were to run. The problem is you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into that hole.

here are a few links for you, incase you are too lazy or can find them.

http://www.veilside.co.jp

http://www.blitz-uk.co.uk

http://www.tommykaira.com/

http://www.apexi.com/

I am not smarter than everyone else.

You're just dummer than you think. :finger:

i WAS TALKING ABOUT CARS HERE IN THE US NOT IN NEW ZEALAND.
MAYBE YOU MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT CARS THERE CAUSE YOU
LIVE THERE, IM NOT INTERESTED IN A CAR THAT ISNT HERE, IWAS TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THE US. HERE IN THE US THE MAXIMA IS
NISSANSFLAGSHIP. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT A MAXIMA OR
NOTHING ABOUT NISSAN HERE. WHEN I PUT THAT THE VQ WAS THE
BEST ENGINES I MEANT THAT IS WAS ONE OF THEM IN THE WORLD
AND IT IS. THE MAXIMA IS A 4 DOOR SPORTS SEDAN, IF YOU WERENT
ON ANOTHER PLANET YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT. MIND TELLING ME SIR
WHAT ALOT OF HORSEPOWER IS? IM NOT A BIT INTERESTED IN YOUR
SKYLINE EITHER CAUSE ITS UGLY . I DONT THINK IM MISSING OUT
ON MUCH ON CARS WHERE YOU ARE EITHER, BUT YOU SEEM TO BE.
YEA SOME CAR COMPANIES RATE THEIR CARS WITH MORE HORSEPOWER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE , BUT NOT ALL OF THEM DO IT.
AND AGAIN WHEN I PUT THAT IT WAS THE BEST ENGINE I MEAN IN
BEST OVERALL IN RELIABLITY I WASNT TALKING ABOUT FASTEST AND
HORSEPOWER. YOU MAY THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT CARS MORE THAN
I, BUT REST ASSURED SIR I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU DO OR KNOW MUCH ABOUT NISSANS IN THE US. ALSO GMS LT1 AND LS1 ENGINES RATED
HERE WHERE ONE OF THE BEST ENGINES IN THE UNITED STATES TOO.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FAST, BRING YOUR SKYLINE OVER AND
LET DODGE WITH ITS VIPER OR CHEVY WITH ITS Z06 CORVETTE
KICK ITS ASS.........OUCH!

BY THE WAY, YOU SEEM TO BE TALKING ABOUT CARS THAT NEED
SLOT OF MODS DONE TO THEM, I WASNT. YOU SAY YOUR NOT GONNA
SHUT UP ABOUT THIS UNTIL WHAT? iM NOT GONNA ARUGUE WITH A
CYCO LIKE YOU. IT REALLY MUST HAVE HIT YOU HARD WHEN I PUT
NISSANS VQ ENGINE WAS BEST. YOU TELLING ME IM DUMB?, MAYBE
YOUR THE DUMB ONE, SAYING YOUR NOT GONNA STOP. STAY HERE
AND ARGUE WITH PEOPLE ABOUT WHATS BEST , YOULL BE DOING IT
FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND NEVER GET ANYWHERE. iM NOT GONNA ARGUE THIS ANYMORE WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAUSE YOU
THINK YOUR A KNOW IT ALL AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT ARE JUST WELL
CYCO.......CHECK SOME US MAGS AND SEE WHAT THE BEST ENGINES
ARE RATED IN THE WORLD.....:silly2:

Well Mr. Indiana since I was born and raised in the states for over 30 years I think I know a bit about cars in the States, not all but a fair amount.
T H E S K Y L I N E is now part of your market as well.

There are RB motors still running around with over 200,000 miles not kms, in cars over 15 years here. Now I would call the reliability wouldn't you?

I don't care if you think it is ugly. I personally think the Maxima is a waste of a engineering and waste of time, except it is a family car.

The Viper is the only car the States has ever produced that competed against the Skyline in Japan with any sort of sucess, if you want to call it that. Technology is a wonderful thing. I am not taking anything away from the Vette or the Viper. They are both great cars in their own right.

The topic was best engine. In my opinion in the Nissan came it is the RB not the VQ. It does not matter what car it came in or what size it is. I look at more than just how long an engine will last. Any motor will last a very long time if taken care of properly. If you want the best overall you have to take into consideration all aspect of the motor, and what can be not only acheived as far as tuning but reliable tuning. Christ there are VW's with over 500,000 miles on them. A Merc did over 1,000,000 miles where does it end?

You stated that the maxima is Nissan's flagship. That may be a while ago in the States only because the US government did not allow them in until MotoRex went through the testing procedures. So once again the Skyline and the RB motor are now part of the US market. The next generation of Skyline will also be heading to the States for brand new sales soon.

Check mate.

you idiots, your arguing over a car company that is 44% owned by Reneult... YOUR ARGUING OVER FRENCH CARS!!! anyway the best engines should be judged by reliability, overall strength, and life span.
you should check out the 1966 volvo P1800 with over 2,000,000 MILES... now thats quallity!!! a automotive engine should be strong at 40 degrees C. or -40 degrees C. if you can show me a engine that survives winters in saskatoon, saskatchewan and will show 500,000 KM or miles then i will be impressed.

just wondering... what are your speed limits like? we are 50 kmh city and 80-110 highway 80 is only on dirt roads

you idiots, your arguing over a car company that is 44% owned by Reneult... YOUR ARGUING OVER FRENCH CARS!!! anyway the best engines should be judged by reliability, overall strength, and life span.
you should check out the 1966 volvo P1800 with over 2,000,000 MILES... now thats quallity!!! a automotive engine should be strong at 40 degrees C. or -40 degrees C. if you can show me a engine that survives winters in saskatoon, saskatchewan and will show 500,000 KM or miles then i will be impressed.

just wondering... what are your speed limits like? we are 50 kmh city and 80-110 highway 80 is only on dirt roads


Insulting everyone and resurecting a 3 year old thread is not the way to make your first post.