Import Versus Domestic

This is a big poll so i dunno i pick NSX if you're wondering
:flash:

I said Supra:)

my weapon of choice. once a Nissan fan, always a Nissan fan.

I went with the less obvious, less flashy Sylvia.Not as fast as some of the others, But there's something about it I like. Plus, I always wanted a nice drifter.

1998 GTS-R
Engine: 8.0L DOHC V-10
Horsepower: 700 @ 6,850
Torque: 705 @ 5,970
Transmission: 6-speed sequential
0-60mph: 2.8
¼ Mile: 9,95 @ 145.2
Slalom: 95.1
Lateral Acceleration: 1.67
Top Speed: (est) 245

Originally posted by Polygon
1998 GTS-R
0-60mph: 2.8


Is that a mis-print??!!?! If it's not... Damn!!!!

i chose the skyline. if i'm gonna build a racer that suite my driving style. AWD is a must

My weapon of choice would be the supra or the skyline gtr

i choose supra.....just because it has a lot of potential.....(i.e. Top Secret Supra and JUN Supra).....anyways....depends on what kind of racing i guess.....top speed racing ...... 200 mph!!???!:flipa:

i really would have chosen the Porsche gt2 or 996 turbo but they werent listed

Originally posted by Swonder67


Is that a mis-print??!!?! If it's not... Damn!!!!

Nope, that is what the GTR-R can run without slicks. Jast imagine modding that.

*drool*

modified skylines with 1000hp are faster than 2.8 they can do they 1/4 under 9 seconds :flipa: thats the street cars

Sylvias are SWEET altho i'd make it 800hp and turn it into a drift car

i loooove fast cars

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
modified skylines with 1000hp are faster than 2.8 they can do they 1/4 under 9 seconds :flipa: thats the street cars

Sylvias are SWEET altho i'd make it 800hp and turn it into a drift car

Why is that I keep hearing about 1000HP Supra and Skylines all the time. Besides you are comparing and un-modded to a heavily modded car. You would have to do very little to the Viper and you can say bye bye. Show me another car from the factory with these specs.

No duh the Skyline will pull faster than 2.8, but that Viper has 705HP. And what is the 0-60 time for this Skyline??? I am sure I can think of a car that is faster with less than half the mods.

more

2001 Trans Am WS6 (for obvious reasons)

Plus, the LS1 is one of the most potent small blocks ever built.
Not to mention that after only 4 years of production, there are already 8-9 sec. LS1s! This car ROCKS!

well man a normal viper weight's a tonne so to get this Magical one you claim to fame is a bigger task than getting some skyline to go fast - bollocks it isn't tuned you bullshitting bastard because a normal one has 450hp and that one is a race one not a fucking street one and if you go on about henessey i have a video with a SC300TT raping a henessey Viper - and sucks cock i'd have a Trans Am over it - kiss my ass u anti import tosser - Skylines kick arse - o by the way I'm talking about the normal everyday cars our counterparts in Japan drive yes my friend you suck because you can't take the fact that A RICE BURNER is better than American Muscle. Kiss my ass i have leaft the building......I LOVE YOU HONDA NISSAN MITSY(NOT ASS MUCH AS THE OTHERS) SUBARU (a 22B is sweet) MAZDA ( ROTORARY CUM ) i think i don't care and stop showing that lebaron it may have turbos but i'm afraid to say whoever designed it modelled it on a brick wall :flipa:

WS6 arrrrg drool sorry but that and the Camaro SS are the only domestic cars i like apart from Saleen and Cobra

Thanks!

Umm, I don't really know what that last post was about "You're just mad because Import Rice Burners are faster then your American Muscle"....
Now, I assume you're talking about "street" cars, correct?
Well, if so, we can get technical and say that "Pro Street" cars are street legal. They are expected to break 6.50's this season.

I also know of a few Mustang owners with street legal Stangs running well into the 8's and a TON are solid 9 sec. cars...

I love all FAST cars. (as long as they aren't "rice")
Supras, Skylines....They're amazing cars.

suppose but the drag cars you mention have specially built transmission with close ratio right ? as for the others they aren't vipers which i detest big solid and gay. Saleens are cool.

But for me i prefer imports because of the looks like a NSX has awesome looks

A Skyline has crazy abilities

A Supra has some wild child looks

RX7 are small light and sweet

VR4's SUCK ASS they can't turn for shit a complete disgrace altho it has a cousin called stealth and they suck too Sorry to say

I have a theory it goes like this i want my car to be able to take a corner fast than the rest of the competition which in corner taking NO ARGUEMENTS PLEASE Imports do best and there's no meaner corner taker than the Skyline i know the facts don't tell me some stupid shit about a race mustang being fast it probably isn't in all truth because the skyline has the fastest lap time around he nurburgring for a production car including the maclaren F1......

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
well man a normal viper weight's a tonne so to get this Magical one you claim to fame is a bigger task than getting some skyline to go fast - bollocks it isn't tuned you bullshitting bastard because a normal one has 450hp and that one is a race one not a fucking street one and if you go on about henessey i have a video with a SC300TT raping a henessey Viper - and sucks cock i'd have a Trans Am over it - kiss my ass u anti import tosser - Skylines kick arse - o by the way I'm talking about the normal everyday cars our counterparts in Japan drive yes my friend you suck because you can't take the fact that A RICE BURNER is better than American Muscle. Kiss my ass i have leaft the building......I LOVE YOU HONDA NISSAN MITSY(NOT ASS MUCH AS THE OTHERS) SUBARU (a 22B is sweet) MAZDA ( ROTORARY CUM ) i think i don't care and stop showing that lebaron it may have turbos but i'm afraid to say whoever designed it modelled it on a brick wall :flipa:

Lets get a few things straight you ignorant ass.

1. Where in my post did I say I was against imports? I didn't, I happen to like both.

2. The GTS-R is a un-modded Viper. That is how it comes from the factory. As for the Viper being 450HP, have you ever heard of restriction? The 8.0L V10 is capable of much more than 450HP.

3. I don't like Hennessey, the man was an asshole. And as for your friend beating one. I would pay money to see him beat a Venom 805 with the same mods.

4. I would love to see any street legal rice burner beat out say a 1971 Hemi Cuda with a 528 Hemi and the same mods as the ricer. Say bye bye fool.

5. Fuck off about my car, I like it and it looks good and it is damn fast for a stock four banger and cost me a lot less than any Honda. And oh by the way quite reliable, 150,000 miles on the original turbo and it is still pumping out a healthy 13psi. Oh ya’ I also get about 40mpg on the freeway so kiss my ass. Not only does it out perform any Honda or Acura for the price, but it is just as reliable, and gets just as good if not better gas mileage.

Don't be such an ass next time man. Shit.

You take to defence to quickly and you are ignorant. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Polygon


Show me another car from the factory with these specs.



Mclaren F1 and KITT of Knight Rider. lol.

I went with Polygon on this one. From a stock vs stock standpoint, with the power and handling the GTS-R comes with straight from the factory there are maybe one or two cars in the world that could keep up with it. And hey NSX, sorry to tell you buddy, but you disliking the Viper doesn't make it any slower in a straight line OR around a corner. And I don't think they have ever run a GTS-R around the Nurburgring track. So stock vs stock, the Skyline GT-R which is the fastest package available directly from Nissan, is no match against a GTS-R which is the fastest package available from Dodge. End of story.

are you telling me that a dodge viper is faster than a Maclaren F1 GT special edition NO it is not they removed the speed regulator on the Maclaren and got it up to 260mph

I am sorry to say again you may think an American car is fast around a car but it is not. Most muscle cars are built for straight line performance

You are right polygon in saying that if an American Muscle car had the same kind of specs and mods as a B16 VTEC with turbo 500hp it would produce more horse power - but they don't because that is not the American philosophy of power. Bigger engine = more power is the American Philosophy.

The new NSX will have a V8 Vtec and around 450hp when they apply the same kind of mods to this as a B16. You will see alot more power.

B16 produces 100hp per liter what does a viper produce?

Abflug Supra produces 350hp per liter what a Viper produce?

I know many a friend of mine that'll say Vipers suck and they drive Trans AM's Mustang's Camaro's just to let you know its not just a RICE burner like me who thinks the car sucks


Viper's can't keep up with a Skyline through corners - unless you have a Rally car like a Focus Cosworth, Evo 6, 22B you won't be able to beat them.

Ignorance is not adhearing to the truth so when did i do that? Japan can do it better!

and sorry polygon taking a cheap shot at your car was low I was slightly pissed off

I will say one thing about american muscle... they got TORQUE. But all around, Japan cars are better made. More thought goes in to get more horses. American cars just keep putting bigger and bigger displacement motors in their cars to get more muscle. but if you look at companys like Mazda, they started using the rotary engine in their cars. The RX-7 twin turbo rotary engine is only 1.3 liters, yet puts out 220 horsepower stock.

Swonder, actually it wasn't Mazda that began using the Rotary engine. Nissan was in fact the first company to use it, later on they sold its rights to Mazda (too big a pain in the ass)

Oh yeah, and as of right now, I believe the worlds fastest lap time around the Nuremburg course belongs to the RUF Porsche 911 Turbo.
It beat the McLaren F1's time by a lot as well.

I have seen the video of it being driven around the course taken by my auto's teacher who had a chance to drive it around the course.
The best handling vehicle out right now I'd have to say is the Porsche.
It's just simple physics. Engine mounted in the back will be able to turn better. But at high speeds, you better know how to handle it...

i dont really see why people always talk about hp per liter. i mean sure if u can get a lot of hp per liter thats great technology but where does that help u if the other guy still has more hp? so what if the b16 has 100 hp per liter, it still only has 160 hp while the gtsr still has 705 hp. and yes, the fastest time around the nurburgring is a skyline, it beat the ruf porsche.

DAMN!! I'm getting into this one late! My choice is the Camaro SS. I love imports, and I love domestics. A 1,000 hp Skyline is nice, but nothing super extroardinary. There are plety...tons in fact of 1,000 hp domestics. In fact, NOS has just started making a system for DOMESTICS ONLY...May have heard of it...Can anyone say 1000 shot? And that's real. So expect to see a ton MORE 1000+ hp domestics around! Few people I know who go to the same speed shop as me run twin turbo Camaro's and Firebirds. Boosting 17 psi...sub-8s in those things, easily in fact. Working off of THEORY ONLY, take an V6/I6 Supra or Skyline, make the engine bullet-proof, then throw on a huge turbo capable of boosting 20 psi...Then take a 496ish Chevy and do the exact same...and the Chevy will blow the fuckin doors off of the import. Bigger engine = more potential. Oh, want to talk drag racing now? What kind of engine do sub-6 second cars run? I4? Hell no. I6? Hell no. V6? Hell no. V10? Hell no. V8 all day, every day. Because there's more potential. However...That isn't too say that all domestics do is go big and let 'er rip. Here's one for you. Might have heard/seen it before. 5 second PRO-STOCK car. QUAD-TURBO Chevy v8. First 5 second Pro Stock in the world. The only too.
http://popularhotrodding.com/images/content/08_01/phr0801a02_turbo01th.gif
http://popularhotrodding.com/images/content/08_01/phr0801a02_turbo19th.gif
So yea, my choice is the Camaro SS. Too much potential for too little money.

I like the S15 Silvia. IMO its one of the slickest looking cars around with power to boot.

Originally posted by hrdcorezc
I went with Polygon on this one. From a stock vs stock standpoint, with the power and handling the GTS-R comes with straight from the factory there are maybe one or two cars in the world that could keep up with it. And hey NSX, sorry to tell you buddy, but you disliking the Viper doesn't make it any slower in a straight line OR around a corner. And I don't think they have ever run a GTS-R around the Nurburgring track. So stock vs stock, the Skyline GT-R which is the fastest package available directly from Nissan, is no match against a GTS-R which is the fastest package available from Dodge. End of story.

Hey thanks, for the support. :D

But lets also compare price point.

McClaren F1: $1,000,000

Dodge Viper GTS-R: $360,000

Tune the GTS-R up a little and you can keep up with the F1. You are right though, Dodge could work on the handling some. Though the GTS-R dominated the 98 LeMans season. :D

Originally posted by D16 V-TEC
I like the S15 Silvia. IMO its one of the slickest looking cars around with power to boot.

I picked the sylvia too. Not too big and clunky, not too small and fragile

Originally posted by Self

In fact, NOS has just started making a system for DOMESTICS ONLY...May have heard of it...Can anyone say 1000 shot?


1000 shot? That seems a little much, doesn't it? I think a thousand shot would probably shoot the pistions right through the hood.

Originally posted by Swonder67


1000 shot? That seems a little much, doesn't it? I think a thousand shot would probably shoot the pistions right through the hood.

I have seen that done before and it aint' pretty. 1000 shot seems pretty extreme, got a link?

Originally posted by Swonder67


1000 shot? That seems a little much, doesn't it? I think a thousand shot would probably shoot the pistions right through the hood.

Of course it's excessive!!:D Anyone with 1000 hp in their car and is not racing for a living has taken it too far. But that's besides the point. It was just an example of how companies are taking advantage of the HUGE potential offered by a v8 engine. I haven't seen a car with that setup yet, but the system is out there. I have however seen numerous and driven one v8 with a 500 hp nitrous setup.

Originally posted by Polygon


I have seen that done before and it aint' pretty. 1000 shot seems pretty extreme, got a link?

Nope, can't find it right now, I will later though. Anyways, you might have heard of it before. NOS is calling it their new NOSzle direct-port(aka Fogger) system. It's supposedly revolutionizing the way nitrous is injected and can inject nearly double the amount of controlled nitrous mix safely. I'll look around for it more and then post the link.

Originally posted by Self


Nope, can't find it right now, I will later though. Anyways, you might have heard of it before. NOS is calling it their new NOSzle direct-port(aka Fogger) system. It's supposedly revolutionizing the way nitrous is injected and can inject nearly double the amount of controlled nitrous mix safely. I'll look around for it more and then post the link.

Cool, I'll be lookin' for it. :D

this isn't a choice and no it's not as fast as the others...but i still love it soo much and i always have.....Accord Type R baby!!!!! also i am sick of all those idiots who say it doesn't exist...talk about a lack of knowledge..

Originally posted by bbc_flux

also i am sick of all those idiots who say it doesn't exist...talk about a lack of knowledge..


Hey, the Accord type R doesn't exist. hehe, j/k. I thought there was only an accord SiR, not a type R though.

Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! please god noooo!!!!!!! oh wait you were joking..ok ...damn.......whew.....ok...i'm cool....no seriously i am making a "conversion" out of my 00 accord....i already have the headlights and taillights done...but i want that grill....the rear end i almost exactly like the newer mitsubishi galant....it is weird...hopefully i'll be able to find a hell of alot of money for the engine....probably not though....we will see next thing i want is the rims....

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


VR4's SUCK ASS they can't turn for shit a complete disgrace altho it has a cousin called stealth and they suck too Sorry to say

:rolleyes: I recommend u do some homework.

This poll makes no sence. Domestic to WHAT COUNTRY? :p All you have is American and Japanese cars with only one British car.... ;) :rolleyes: :D :cool: :) :) :)

They all kick ass and I want all of them

oh yeah, and a TVR Speed 12 800+ HP stock... They stopped making them after a year or something.

http://gerbilo.opentechsupport.net/TVRSpeed12.jpg

this poll should be more regulated, such as cars under 40,000, or new or used.

Wheres the 01' cobra or the covett z06?
These two cars offer probably the biggest bang for the buck as far as both handling and power go.

What about a buik grand national?

Originally posted by Ktulu
this poll should be more regulated, such as cars under 40,000, or new or used.

Wheres the 01' cobra or the covett z06?
These two cars offer probably the biggest bang for the buck as far as both handling and power go.

What about a buik grand national?

Damn those things were quick and cheap. Nothing like a big fat turbo to get you going. :)

yea the poll sucked abit i didn't quite get what U meant (polygon) by comparing the prices of the maclaren and the Viper i'm not sure what that was about.

as for the Cobra and Z06 corvette --- O YEA thats what i forgot

As for anything else i don't think enough people vote through this

How the hell can you forget about the new 405bhp Z06? :confused:

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
yea the poll sucked abit i didn't quite get what U meant (polygon) by comparing the prices of the maclaren and the Viper i'm not sure what that was about.


I think he means that the cars in the poll range ALOT in price. Of course you're gonna get what you pay for. If you want a fast car, and you had 400,000 to spend, are you gonna get the $360,000 Viper GTS-R, or are you gonna get a $30,000 Camaro. If you pay a million dollars for a car (McLaren F1) you're obviously gonna something better. The comparisons just seem sorta off.

there was no maclaren in the poll

the most expensive car is either the viper or the NSX i can't remember how much the viper is

the NSX is not the fastest altho the Type S has a 12 second quater mile on the Stock engine

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
yea the poll sucked abit i didn't quite get what U meant (polygon) by comparing the prices of the maclaren and the Viper i'm not sure what that was about.

as for the Cobra and Z06 corvette --- O YEA thats what i forgot

As for anything else i don't think enough people vote through this

That post was about you comparing the fine F1 to the GTS-R. Yes the F1 was faster but I was just saying that for $360 you can get a comparative car, well same with a Diablo or a Ferrari 550. Sort of a pointless post I guess.

not really since i said that the GTR Skyline is faster than the Maclaren F1 around the Nurburgring if thats what you mean other than that i have no clue as to what you just said

Maybe you shoulda calrified when you said "which would you modify and race", straight line, or on a track.

you got a point there well all round then cuz a modified skyline would go around and striaght and whoop everything well mostly everything

Oh yea, all wheel drive, and power. makes me cry cuz they won't bring it to the U.S.

well they're thinking of bringing the R35 over but the R34 couldn't because of the way the intercooler or something

Thats what the guy at subaru said when i was talking to him about the WRX since the WRX's intercoolers are above the engine it cn pass but the older ones couldn't cuz they were positioned at the front... i'm not sure if he's right but he might be it was something to do with how close to the front they were blah blah its explains why the EVO's and Skyline and the Sti's haven't come here earlier

altho it does suck fucking governent safety "lets make the cars safer" BLAH
they failed to relise that its not that hard to get a driving license mabye they should concentrate on drivers tests and education ... i spent 40 hours in a car before i took my driving test which has a 40% sucess rate- this is in England ... but in the US i spent 10 (SEARS driving school - got a certificate to get cheaper car insurance) and still got a driving license.... I think they need to change it and you should learn in a manual = much more fun to drive !!!!

I think i'll make a poll

Originally posted by Polygon
1998 GTS-R
Engine: 8.0L DOHC V-10
Horsepower: 700 @ 6,850
Torque: 705 @ 5,970
Transmission: 6-speed sequential
0-60mph: 2.8
¼ Mile: 9,95 @ 145.2
Slalom: 95.1
Lateral Acceleration: 1.67
Top Speed: (est) 245

Sorry Polygon, I respect your opinions and everything--dont get me wrong im not making fun of you--but your numbers on the 1998 Viper GTS-R are incorrect. I wish i would have noticed this thread sooner, because many of the replies are based on or have something to do with the incorrect stats.

A 1998 dodge viper GTS-R was tested by road and track magazine in september of 1998. their results and the factory statistics are as follows...(this car is stock from the factory)

1998 Dodge Viper GTS-R
horsepower: 460
0-60 mph: 4.2 seconds
0-100 mph: 9.6 seconds
1/4 mile: [email protected]
price: $91,784 (as tested)

perhaps you were thinking about the GTS-R lemans version or one of the other endurace race versions. the picture you posted of the viper is in fact a race version and not a stock car. Those cars indeed were in the range of 700+ horsepower--and ther are also NOT unmodded. if you went and purchased a stock 1998 viper GTS-R, you would find it has the same exact numbers as those posted above. 460 hp instead of 700+ and 0-60 in 4.2 instead of 2.8. sorry to burst your bubble, or anyone elses.:(

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
...and if you go on about henessey i have a video with a SC300TT raping a henessey Viper...

this video where it's 2 Supras & Hennessey... http://www.mydigitalvideo.net/demos/dothers.htm

or the 1 where a Viper Venom 500 raced 2 RX-7s & SC300TT caught up to it? i hav that video, too. he wasn't racing but last minute decided to join in. he makes 765 RWHP, had dyno vid but lost it.

www.turboimports.com
www.turbolexus.com

God DAYUM there is a fair bit of flaming in this thread! Not as bad as what I've seen in the Honda/Acura forum recently. This place is getting terrible - everyone bitching at everyone. Can't says I like it. Being a New Zealander I'm not really part of the "domestic vs. Import" arguement, but to me it's all up to taste. I don't care if a stock B16A doesn't have as much power as other stock engines, it's a hell of a good four banger, with enough power to upset some fair cars.

I also don't give a flying fuck if the same mods done to a domestic will produce more horsepower than mods done to a Japanese car. Seriously, who gives a shit?!? I personally have a love affair with Hondas, and yeah, I love Civics, I don't care if they aren't fast in comparison with some others!! I'd love to do one up and spank some other guys in different cars... who have just had the shit scared out of them because a Civic just thrashed them. I don't really give a toss if similar mods done to the other car could beat the Civic, that's their choice.

In my humble opinion, the Civic is a nice looking and modestly performing car, that responds nicely to modification and can surprise some higher specced cars - even turbos and V8's. I personally chose the Honda NSX, but would have preferred a Honda S2000 or Integra Type R.

The whole point to this post is - don't hurt someone because of what they choose to drive, or choose to make faster. That's their choice, their individuality and tastes coming into play. Good on them! If we all got together and decided that a certain car had the best bang for buck stock, and responded the best to modifications with an acceptable cost, then many people would own this car, in varying states of modification.
Where's the fun in that? I love the challenge of Honda vs. a turbo'd car, or Nissan vs. Subaru. It's all up to your taste in car. If you love Nissans and do yours up to xxx horsepower, good on ya. Numbers are impressive, but you gotta love what you buy, and do it up for the love of the car, not because you're getting numbers that will make people say "Viper GTS-R will respond better to mods".

Seriously... I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't give a rat's ass if there are cars that'll whip my Honda - good on ya, do ya feel big now?!? I don't have a modded Honda, sure, so many people will kick my sorry arse. Whoopty shit! When I get my choice Honda and have a tinker with it, I'll be surprising a fair amount of people - even if I still get beat occasionally. I'll still be happy with my car, and proud of it.

No offense meant to any specific poster in this thread. Sorry about the length of my post. Enjoy :)

Peace

Originally posted by JasonAccord98LX


Sorry Polygon, I respect your opinions and everything--dont get me wrong im not making fun of you--but your numbers on the 1998 Viper GTS-R are incorrect. I wish i would have noticed this thread sooner, because many of the replies are based on or have something to do with the incorrect stats.

A 1998 dodge viper GTS-R was tested by road and track magazine in september of 1998. their results and the factory statistics are as follows...(this car is stock from the factory)

1998 Dodge Viper GTS-R
horsepower: 460
0-60 mph: 4.2 seconds
0-100 mph: 9.6 seconds
1/4 mile: [email protected]
price: $91,784 (as tested)

perhaps you were thinking about the GTS-R lemans version or one of the other endurace race versions. the picture you posted of the viper is in fact a race version and not a stock car. Those cars indeed were in the range of 700+ horsepower--and ther are also NOT unmodded. if you went and purchased a stock 1998 viper GTS-R, you would find it has the same exact numbers as those posted above. 460 hp instead of 700+ and 0-60 in 4.2 instead of 2.8. sorry to burst your bubble, or anyone elses.:(

The stats I posted were for the Lemans GTS-R thus why I posted the picture of one as well. :D

The stats you posted are for the Viper GT2. There is only one GTS-R, the GT2 may say GTS-R on the car but it is reallt called the GT2.

The only difference between the regual Viper V10 and the GTS-R V10 is the fact that it is DOHC not OHV. To me that is not really a mod. You can'r tell me that you think the V10 is only capable of around 500HP?

Polygon is right! The GTS-R is a race (only) built car. The GTS-R you see on the street is a production model of the race car. The suspension, badge on the dash, exhaust, and very litte engine mods (the radio and A/C are also deleted) are the only thing that makes it dif from the stock GTS.


I have noticed that everyone talks about the imports, ie:supra, being better, faster etc. than domestics,ie: viper. The only way, it seems, to validate this argument is to sup up the supra to get the kind of HP it take to beat a stock viper. If you were to put the same amount of mods on the viper it couldn't be touched. Just an observation.

Well, If I had $125,000 to spend on cars, Corvette Z06, Toyota Tundra with V8 and offroad package, and Acura CL-S