Peice Of Junk Hondas

"au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D"

Soooo, under that logic, the best and fastest car in the world will have 0 cylinders right?? :rofl:

The poor guy said that almost 2 weeks ago on page 2, and he took it back very quicly thereafter on page 3...

...anyways, creative use of logic humor there....lol.

"au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D"

Soooo, under that logic, the best and fastest car in the world will have 0 cylinders right?? :rofl:

Well some people do believe that the best engines in the world are Rotary engines, and they have 0 cylinders. Oh and to the person who said "Never put an exhaust on a 4 banger"

Oh really? I have a 4 banger, i DARE you to race me. Or any other real 4-cyl engine powered car. Like the Lotus Elise, or Exige, or the Lancer Evo MR. Just because there are slow 4 bangers doesnt mean there arent fast ones....

Amen.

V8's are nice...when used right on an M5 or an S4... not on some car that can still compare with my 4 cyl civic.

:grinno:

"There is a replacement for displacement... I believe they call it a turbo."


well you can always turbo the v8 too....

well you can always turbo the v8 too....
Nothing better than a forced inducted v8 :)

honda What
Just bought a Honda Civic...SE with a few added touches..rear spoiler and hood edge protector....Traded in my Grand Am because of all the problems..hopefully the Honda works better for me. By the way the Honda done to the nines.. look great...real eye catchers...

No It wont.

A Honda Integra Type R
A Honda s2000
A Honda NSX
A Honda NSX Type S Zero
A Honda NSX Type R

WILL EASILY OUTHANDLE YOUR CAR.


See, you just compared three $80K+ and one $30K car to my car that I wasn't so stupid as to pay nearly that much for :-)

Jeremy

See, you just compared three $80K+ and one $30K car to my car that I wasn't so stupid as to pay nearly that much for :-)

Jeremy
That was a dumb comparision on MexSiR's part, but I think the only Honda a GM FWD platform couldn't outhandle would be the current Honda Legend...

Sorry to repeat whats been said already but im pretty tired of reading these retarded America Vs Japan threads. Its been done, nobodys going to change their minds based on what you've said.....Personal preference
:1:

Why is there always some agression between the Camaro/Mustang group and the Honda group? Pointless to me...

Why is there always some agression between the Camaro/Mustang group and the Honda group? Pointless to me...
Who knows, who cares?

au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D

Honda Guy 4 Life!


Gawd when will you people ever learn.......okay read the bold print carefully.

The more power you add to a car, the less MPG your going to make!

American V8 cars dont get quiet as good gas mileage as 4cyl because...well....its a V8 and its a 4cyl. If you put a V8 in a Honda (is it possible?) then watch the gas mileage drop. Not even that, if you build up the 4cyl in the Honda its still going to drop the mpg by a long shot.

i am sick of you cry babies that complain about the american japan rivalry. if it hurts your feelings then go cry about it, or better yet dont read it. i dont see anything wrong with any of this. its half the fun of owning a fast car, or putting money into a car. i might as well get some other things off my chest. i can not stick up for anyone that puts a exaust and a wing on a 4 cylinder, its simply ridiculis. i am pretty impresed with the full out race imports on speedvision and such. i belive in their cause (stupid ass nhra rules regulating everything). and just to be fair to both sides, new mustangs are pretty slow. the last decent american car with out a ridiculis price tag was the trans am, and theyv endid the production in what 01 or 02. anyway keep the rivalry going despite what these crybabies say.

Just to stir the pot a little. I've owned several Accords and several Civics - all 4 bangers. However, if you want a fair amount of muscle and decent gas mileage, there are a couple of domestic mid size cars that are all over Honda's rump. My all time mileage/power champ was a 1975 Olds Starfire with a 231 Buick V-6, Rochester Duece, and turbo 350 automatic. The thing consistently got 35 mpg running 75 mph on interstates and had excellent takeoff. Have had 2 Chrysler Cirrus cars with 2.5 V-6's, and, both got 30 MPG running interstate speeds. Had a 2000 Dodge Intrepid and now a 2001 Chrysler Sebring 4 door with the 200 HP 2.7 V-6. Both of these managed 30-31 Mpg consistently on trips. The Sebring is decently quick, 0-60 in 8 secs. and a 127 mph topend. Friends of mine who have midsize Buicks with the 3800 V-6 (the current version of the old 231) experience similar performance and gas mileage. The Hondas I've owned did better on mileage on in-town driving but never got mileage like this on trips even though 3 of the Hondas were manuals. A friend of mine has a new Honda Accord V6 and the best it'll do is 27 Mpg - performance being about equal to my Sebring. Funny thing - I had a 1995 Chrysler LHS with the big 3.5 L V6, and, while the car's quality was a bit flaky, it consistently delivered 28 MPG on trips and excellent punch for its size. Anyone out there driving one of the new Chrysler 300s with the 3.5 - be interested in what gas mileage you're getting. Honda may deliver a bit more quality now, but, the domestics are closing the gap, and, presently, Buick may be their equal.


Regards:
Oldengineer

no idea there, but i have an 87 buick gn and that keeps up in gas milage with mos honda toyota v6 and beats their 8 cyls. of course only 8's i know of are their biggist luxury suvs. i have 42.5 lbs injectors in it and an 8 setting e prom chip, so everything is adjustable. she runs low 11's on pump super with 22psi, and gets 25-27 mpg in econo mode. i really dont know what et shed run on this setting, but iv never lost to Any inport on this setting. iv heard of fast imports before, but where i live theyr all show no go. and by show i mean thousands of dollars on wings (on a front wheel drive no less) stickers, lights, shiny wheels, and rediculus sounding exaust pipe. do four bangers really make enough back pressure to benefit from a 4 inch exaust? i just dont understand. and to be fair, who ever said it your right. the mustangs that come frome the factory with non functional ram air hoods are just as silly as the stickers on the imports.someone please correct me if im wrong, i just dont get it. i really dont need to as i enjoy blowing the doors off these "show cars".

one more thing, car and driver rated the new buick most reliable mid sized sudan. sorry accord

one more thing, car and driver rated the new buick most reliable mid sized sudan. sorry accord
Sudan only comes in one size and it's more than mid-sized!!

If C&D rated it the most reliable sedan, ownership surveys are a good indication, as are owners personal experiences, but a magazine just coming out and saying that is NOT.

one more thing, car and driver rated the new buick most reliable mid sized sudan. sorry accord

buick never made C&D top 10
Only 1 American car did... the Vette

the focus did too but thats cuz of the German SVT engine they dropped in it

Also, Accord is title holder with 18/25 top 10 awards... eve higher than the precious bimmer 3. soo yeah dont hate hondas, they've earned their recogition with the american drivers at C&D

yup, and any pizza faced high school nerd can get a big block to run 10's

it take a lot more will, determination, skill, and ingenuity to get a 2 liter 4 banger to 10's

but what all the current honda hating seems like to me (this is like, one of 25 "i hate honda" threads in this forum) is a bunch of people who got stomped by some ricer at the local strip, and are still bitter about it. I've run as hard as i could, and still watched civics pull away from me. (i drive a 3rd gen prelude si) and so what if they were running turbos, thats all part of the game boys.

saying turbos and nitrous are "cheating" in the world of racing, is like saying the forward pass is cheating in football.

WOW I've never been stomped by a civic, I just hate them in ugly form. Look a civic isn't a bad looking car (except the hatch back) just give it a good paint job and nice rims then do all the engine mods you want. Just don't put on an obnoxious body kit and fart trumpet and 12 foot spoiler and cover it with gaudy stickers! You still need to spend a mint to get it to go fast, I hear the Honda guys brag about running 10's and 9's even 8's and 7's get real guys! There are 2 Hondas that run 8's and one has been converted to rear drive, as well neither is a real world car just a seat with tube chassis a fiberglass body and a $100,000.00 engine that can only run a race or two and is payed for by a sponsor.

It's all a mtter of what you like. I have nothing against Hondas (except that all my ex girlfriends drive them!) they are dammed good reliable cars, I just wouldn't buy one because I'm from Detroit I'm currently looking at buying a Focus maybe a Neon. As I said before though don't make them look like sh*t, there is beauty in simplicity. Don't tell me you run 8's with it either :nono: . Yes V-8s are easy to make fast, if you want it to rev higher without making it sound like crap at low RPM it can be done now with the amazing computer, instead of just shoving as much air and fuel through it as possible like the old days (this goes for 4cyl. and all engines as well) you achieve the most efficient and powerful mixture. With computer management engines have been brought into the 20th hell 21st century wether they are OHC or pushrod! No OHC is not new technology just ask OFFENHAUSER a company making powerful ohc engines (as well as power parts for flatheads) in the 20's and 30's. I don't understand why people can't admit a good car is a good car, and the import vs domestic thing erks me. First off not everyone here is American so if someone here is Japanese a Toyotas is usually the domestic to the import Ford get it. Not always as the Dodge Ram is made in Mexico, and the Tundra Indiana? It was brought up somewhere on this thread the Focus is the world's best selling car yes because it's sold in North America, South America, Australia, and Europe (not sure about Asia) though I think it is sold in South Africa. So do Hondas suck? If you think so nothing is going to change your mind, and if you think they're the greatest machines ever nothing is going to change that either. I honestly don't like FWD (unless used as basic transportation) that leave only 2 Hondas S2000, and NSX both of which I actually like, yet wouldn't buy. I drive a 99 F150 and it's proven plenty reliable and with V-6 not bad on gas. I also own a 65 Mustang fastback being retrofitted with modern engine and suspension, because let's face it 60's suspension doesn't cut it now a days. The facts are this - Don't think all Honda drivers are ricers, don't think all those who drive V-8s a mullet heads, there a damned good examples of 8, 6, and 4 cylinder engines out there from the USA, Japan, and Europe. Let's not start talking about the invinsability of our Camaros, Mustangs, Civics etc. leave that to the Skyline (nut riders) fans. Oh yeah for the guy who posted it (V8= small penis) my stang has a V-8 and I have a big penis thank you.

okay, heres my veiw 4 bangers are good for quick fun reliable power but not alot of power, anything over 400hp you have to go bigger motor and also rwd or 4wd of course that car will really be good for only 1 thing and thats going really fast in a straight line for 7 secends. (and belive me thats really a fun time and todally worth it) every car has ups and downs, if only they made a 5-banger with 4-wheel drive (hey if the metro could have 3, why not 5)ha, well anyways thats my two cents

There is such thing as an AWD 5 Cylinder car, Audi used to make them and Volvo still make Linear 5 AWD cars.

VW make V5 engines, but not AWD versions of the V5 cars, as far as I know.

ok.. this is coming from Motorbooks Workshop: Sport Compact Car Engine & Driveline. p.69
"A silly Civic Si owner who confidently revs on an LS-1 powered Camaro at a light, cocky in the fact that his engine makes more power per liter, is going to get swatted like a pesky little fly, VTEC or no VTEC."
AMEN...
So before u start talkin shit about "ancient v-8s" :eek7: , know that a turbo 4 banger might take an n/a v8, but never a turbo v8.

one more:

"As bad as the baddest Outlaws are, they are still no match for the equivalent class of domestics. If the big-bore V-8 guys were allowed to turbocharge their huge engines by the rules, the tiny imports would not stand a chance-- multi-vavles, variable cam timing, overhead cams or not."

This is coming from a guy that writes books about Honda/Acura/Mazda/Nissan performance. If he can admit it, why can't you?

There is such thing as an AWD 5 Cylinder car, Audi used to make them and Volvo still make Linear 5 AWD cars.

VW make V5 engines, but not AWD versions of the V5 cars, as far as I know.

the volvo s60r comes close to what you would expect no?

okay, heres my veiw 4 bangers are good for quick fun reliable power but not alot of power, anything over 400hp you have to go bigger motor and also rwd or 4wd of course that car will really be good for only 1 thing and thats going really fast in a straight line for 7 secends. (and belive me thats really a fun time and todally worth it) every car has ups and downs, if only they made a 5-banger with 4-wheel drive (hey if the metro could have 3, why not 5)ha, well anyways thats my two cents


Remember the early Audi Quattros? Turbo fives AWD.

ok.. this is coming from Motorbooks Workshop: Sport Compact Car Engine & Driveline. p.69
"A silly Civic Si owner who confidently revs on an LS-1 powered Camaro at a light, cocky in the fact that his engine makes more power per liter, is going to get swatted like a pesky little fly, VTEC or no VTEC."
AMEN...
So before u start talkin shit about "ancient v-8s" :eek7: , know that a turbo 4 banger might take an n/a v8, but never a turbo v8.

one more:

"As bad as the baddest Outlaws are, they are still no match for the equivalent class of domestics. If the big-bore V-8 guys were allowed to turbocharge their huge engines by the rules, the tiny imports would not stand a chance-- multi-vavles, variable cam timing, overhead cams or not."

This is coming from a guy that writes books about Honda/Acura/Mazda/Nissan performance. If he can admit it, why can't you?



I've got no problem admitting that, I agree. There's a guy who works for one of the import magazine staffs, he's got the fastest car on the staff. Catch this it's a 70's Ford Maverick with a 347 stroker.

i like hatchbacks.... :disappoin

For what it's worth...here's my 2 cents...I could care less what it is...import, domestic, 4-banger, v8....if it's well built and fast with 4 wheels, then I'll drive it. Who cares what it is...if it's a fast built car, it's a fast built car..I could care less what "click" it falls into.

I'm not even going to touch the issue of speed. That's never going to be resolved here.
The reason I drive a Honda is that they last for-fucking-ever.
My father-in-law is a mechanic, an over-the-road trucker, and a diehard Chevy man. Pickup trucks all the way.
But the few times he's helped me out, he has been amazed at how well my car has held up. Nothing is rusted, no bolts break when you unscrew things, everything is amazingly easy to replace. (His only complaint is that sometimes it seems like Honda thinks everyone has tiny little Asian hands to reach into those tight spots.)
He's still not going to run out and buy a Honda, but if you compare my '97 Civic with 125k miles to his '98 S-10 with 94k miles, the difference in wear is astounding.
I'm always up for a little race around town, and you win some, you lose some. My car is never going to come close to a Shelby Cobra or a Stingray off the line. But when it comes to working door handles, and wheels that stay on, the Japs win. And that's pretty important, in my book.

WOW I've never been stomped by a civic, I just hate them in ugly form. Look a civic isn't a bad looking car (except the hatch back) just give it a good paint job and nice rims then do all the engine mods you want. Just don't put on an obnoxious body kit and fart trumpet and 12 foot spoiler and cover it with gaudy stickers! You still need to spend a mint to get it to go fast, I hear the Honda guys brag about running 10's and 9's even 8's and 7's get real guys! There are 2 Hondas that run 8's and one has been converted to rear drive, as well neither is a real world car just a seat with tube chassis a fiberglass body and a $100,000.00 engine that can only run a race or two and is payed for by a sponsor.

im with you all the way man. i wasnt defending ricers, i was just trying to put things in perspective. it was more an attack on someone saying "turbos and nitrous are cheating"

i drive a honda, im proud of it. its quick, could be quicker, but i know running 12's is a pipe dream. ill be happy to limp down the track in low 15's.

but im just as impressed with a 10 second import as i am with ten second domestic.

. My car is never going to come close to a Shelby Cobra or a Stingray off the line. But when it comes to working door handles, and wheels that stay on, the Japs win. And that's pretty important, in my book.

What's important to me is the fun to drive factor. Frankly, stock Hondas are not fun to drive. I'm not saying quality is not important, but I won't even take a second look at a car if it's not fun to drive.

Jeremy

There is such thing as an AWD 5 Cylinder car, Audi used to make them and Volvo still make Linear 5 AWD cars.

VW make V5 engines, but not AWD versions of the V5 cars, as far as I know.

It's either inline or flat 5 not V.

Also, Porsche and Subaru are starting to make em too.

What's important to me is the fun to drive factor. Frankly, stock Hondas are not fun to drive. I'm not saying quality is not important, but I won't even take a second look at a car if it's not fun to drive.

Jeremy

define "fun to drive" even when i was driving a stick shift civic/accord i felt it was pretty fun.. but then again i drive an auto.. everytime i test drive a stick it seems fun as hell

and please understand honda isnt limited to just civic and accords, i invite you to drive a prelude or an s2000 and tell me that they arent fun to drive.

how did "honda what" make all this arguing and bullshit talk of 10 sec civics and beefy v-8's and shit? can we really not reallize that everone has differant needs and wants? that you can make a slow muscle car and a fast import? god people lets open our eyes and see beyond our preconsived notins and appriciate what others like.

This thread needs to be closed, its full of nothing but arrogance and ignorance.

This thread needs to be closed, its full of nothing but arrogance and ignorance.

i think you should check where this thread is.. its in the love/hate forum in the cars in general.. its supposed to be full of hate bias arrogance and ignorance

hondas are more contreversal than fucking feriheit 9/11......christ.

itz funny...when everyone talks about hondas...they use that name in general...why not say the car ur referring to...and as everyone knows....the Honda Civic

With enough time and effort, Civic's can go just as fast (if not faster) than a domestic V8, V10 or whatever. A buddy of mine has a Civic coupe than runs low 12s in the 1/4 mile and that is his daily driver.

With enough time and effort, Civic's can go just as fast (if not faster) than a domestic V8, V10 or whatever. A buddy of mine has a Civic coupe than runs low 12s in the 1/4 mile and that is his daily driver.

You can make anything fast with enough $$

With enough time and effort, Civic's can go just as fast (if not faster) than a domestic V8, V10 or whatever. A buddy of mine has a Civic coupe than runs low 12s in the 1/4 mile and that is his daily driver.So.. Your saying a Civic can do a 6 second 1/4 mile like a fully modded Hemi can!?

No I don't think so.

So.. Your saying a Civic can do a 6 second 1/4 mile like a fully modded Hemi can!?

No I don't think so.

You can make anything fast with enough $$

....

Have you ever seen a 6 second civic?

Have you ever seen a 6 second civic?

I wouldn't want to...

Cars that fast aren't what I like...where's all the handling? Gone...it's created to drive straight and will be most effective going straight...while a 10 second street car blows it away in normal driving because it's a lot less of a comprimise.

I'm sorry, but any car can be too quick for street use...and isn't that where most of us "race" our cars 95% of the time?

People say it's expensive to make an import quick...what about the sentra se-r which definitely isn't the best bang for your buck in terms of import power, but is faster than a mustang gt/ camaro z28?


I know the spec v isn't a super car, but I wish people would stop acting like it takes 10k to make an import quicker than a domestic...some of them come stock that way.

And I don't want to hear "but it's still way slower than the SS or cobra or viper" those cars are definitely not what most people here drive or have even test driven. I'm talking about real cars...like econo boxes and v6 mustang "sports cars"...cars a lot of people on here actually own and enjoy.

Have you ever seen a 6 second civic?

never seen a million dollars...doesn't mean it doesn't exist or will never cross my path

True

um, why not let people just enjoy there cars?

God, drag racing causes alot of arguments!

Not all cars are built for the same purposes, so stop comparing them.

and anyone setting out to build a six second civic started with the wrong car, but to each his own

peace y'all

PLEASE CLOSE THIS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASEEE!!! IT's a MOFO headache

Any car can be made to go fast. Just like the need to have 200 channels on the TV, it's all about personal taste, and it's all good.

when ppl say "honda's suck", do they also mean acura? because NSX's and Type R's are faster, better, and more appealing than pretty much any mitsu, mazda, and any damn pinto.

when ppl say "honda's suck", do they also mean acura? because NSX's and Type R's are faster, better, and more appealing than pretty much any mitsu, mazda, and any damn pinto.

can you please name all the type r's that come from acura?

can you please name all the type r's that come from acura?Integra Type R?

Integra Type R?

hm.. i seem to have missed the obvious.. i forgot we had that here lol

nsx r....well is a type of r :D

nsx r....well is a type of r :D

i kept thinking integra was badged honda.. dam.. anyways yea.. the type r's aren't bad.. they are made to be track cars.. companies like spoon/jun make them even better

i kept thinking integra was badged honda..Well it is in Japan..

Well it is in Japan..

well i mean in the US.. because that guy was asking about nsx/type r.. the integra completely slipped my mind.. i just dont think its "luxurious" enough to be called an acura

and the nsx r is only available in japan...so i guess that doesn't count