Heroes

The men in this picture are all heroes.They died for their country,for their flag,and doing their duty.

They died with honour in a foreign land,many of them in cruel and dreadful ways,many in prolonged agony, all of them the victims of lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction,and lies about removing Saddam and replacing him with a more humanitarian leadership.

I have the greatest of respect for each of these men.I have the greatest of respect for the democracy and freedom that their country believes in.

However, when their pictures are displayed in this manner,I see the real reason that they died.If Saddam is ever put on trial,this man should be in the dock beside him.

http://volcano.photobucket.com/albums/v11/taranaki/heroes.jpg

Shows whose hands their blood is on....

I'd like to see Iraqi militants kill those men and women when they were back home.

I have an even higher respect for someone who enlists in the army now.

Back home is EXACTLY where they should be.The mission as originally stated is over.Any further interference in the leadership process of Iraq is nothing less than the occupation of another country by force.

Disturbing is the only word I can think of to describe that piece of crap.

Why?would you rather not be confronted with information or images that challenge your view of the world?

Why?would you rather not be confronted with information or images that challenge your view of the world?

No, I love seeing new images and opinions that make me think outside of my own box. But with that particular picture I'm more angry with the moron who sat there, for a couple hours at least, and created it. Hopefully he got the consent of all the family members to use the images.

As for Bush, well, we only have a couple more months until we vote him out of office for another moron.

Disturbing? Scary, but Bush always looks scary.
As for those who died doing what ever it was we were supposedly doing... sad.
But with that particular picture I'm more angry with the moron who sat there, for a couple hours at least, and created it.
Whoever made it obviously felt dedicated enough to make it, and I'm not angry that people hold beliefs - or express them, whether it be through words or pictures.

Disturbing is the only word I can think of to describe that piece of crap.
Excellent!!!

The more Americans that find this disturbing the better.
Why??
Because I was disgusted at the blind patriotism that the Whitehouse used to get the people of America wrapped up in this Iraq debacle.
There was precious little opposition to this move in the US a year ago, when it was needed.
At the very least, stop confusing love of one's country with support of dubious political decisions.

Useless information: That pic probably took only a few minutes to create. THere's a program called PhotoMontage desigend to do that. I've got the demo version.

Anyways, back to the agruments.

I think it's wrong to use the faces and the deaths of those people to make a point...

On the other hand though, it's wrong that they died for Bush and his neocon ideology and oil.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but I hope that people see this is becoming a serious problem... Many more Americans will die before this is over, and maybe that will mean something to people when they vote.

The Arabs see it with photos as well but in a different light. Aljazeera has pics up of casualties in the Falluja seige. The Iraqis are saying something like 450 dead and 1000 injured so far.

Go here if you think you have the stomach for warmongering: http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage then click on "Aljazeera Exclusive in Pictures - Falluja Seige" under features in the right hand column.

And those were just teh children who have been killed in the conflict so far... Reminds me of the casualty rates for the Vietnamese...

seems to me more like a lets bash bush instead of honoring the men.

If i was on that i pic id come back to life to slap who made it. I really have great distaste for someone using a picture of a dead man to show another to me.
it looks like that photo blaming them too and i know you said your not but thats how it looks to me and i find that picture very rude.

And thats regardless of my views i feel that way i mean if someone made a picture of hilter with all the people he killed I'd find that horrid also.

What's sad is people quibbling over the big picture and missing how important all the small ones are.

What's sad is people quibbling over the big picture and missing how important all the small ones are.
Great point. That and the fact that some seriously deluded individual took the time to USE (innappropriately) those smaller images to make a political statement.

You waited two weeks to add that?

I have a life outside this forum. I don't always even read every word you post.

I don't always even read every word you post.

That has been all too obvious. . .

I don't always even read every word you post.

That has been all too obvious. . .
So few are actually WORTH reading.

So few are actually WORTH reading.

You should have realized how few of your words were worth writing by you, much less reading by others.

gladhatter = waste of binary code.

So few are actually WORTH reading.
Holy crap.....It can read?

Then why the hell is it so gullible?

The men in this picture are all heroes.They died for their country,for their flag,and doing their duty.

They died with honour in a foreign land,many of them in cruel and dreadful ways,many in prolonged agony, all of them the victims of lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction,and lies about removing Saddam and replacing him with a more humanitarian leadership.

I have the greatest of respect for each of these men.I have the greatest of respect for the democracy and freedom that their country believes in.

However, when their pictures are displayed in this manner,I see the real reason that they died.If Saddam is ever put on trial,this man should be in the dock beside him.

http://volcano.photobucket.com/albums/v11/taranaki/heroes.jpg

Boy you have alot of character. None of those soldiers/marines/sailors asked for your worthless pitty. And im sure that they dont want your support either. I sure as hell don't. You seem to know so much about this war, you must be over their right now investigating the situation. I didn't fight for you or any other person who supports a picture like that. If you don't like the USA then you can always leave. :mad:

Boy you have alot of character. None of those soldiers/marines/sailors asked for your worthless pitty. And im sure that they dont want your support either. I sure as hell don't. You seem to know so much about this war, you must be over their right now investigating the situation. I didn't fight for you or any other person who supports a picture like that. If you don't like the USA then you can always leave. :mad:

Yeah, you can always leave.....wait a second, he's not here in the USA so how does he leave?

I believe Naki was saying those are the people that deserve his respect, the one's that died without questioning doing the duty they were sworn to do.

If you don't like the USA then you can always leave. :mad:

You are showing your ignorance there. :rolleyes: Why do you assume that we're all Americans on this board,and that you are the only ex-serviceman who posts here?I get tired of people who assume thatbecause I am against war,I am against America,and I've never served my country.They're wrong on both counts.Iam against war BECAUSE of what I have seen while serving my country,and I am not against America,I am against the worthless lying piece of shit that cheated its way into the Oval Office.

God bless the heroes.Bush can rot in hell.

I'm not trying to get into the middle of the argument but any face can be made like that.

You are showing your ignorance there. :rolleyes: Why do you assume that we're all Americans on this board,and that you are the only ex-serviceman who posts here?I get tired of people who assume thatbecause I am against war,I am against America,and I've never served my country.They're wrong on both counts.Iam against war BECAUSE of what I have seen while serving my country,and I am not against America,I am against the worthless lying piece of shit that cheated its way into the Oval Office.

God bless the heroes.Bush can rot in hell.

Well I was ignorant about you being an American citizen. But when someone uses the faces of soldiers who died to make a political statement is just wrong.

Just curious Where do you live and who did you serve?

You should have realized how few of your words were worth writing by you, much less reading by others.

You just made my day!

:rofl:

...But when someone uses the faces of soldiers who died to make a political statement is just wrong...

EVERY soldier in war is a political statement.

Who do you think gives the orders to go to war in the first place?
Politicians possibly?

And in case you are wondering, I have never served in the military and I never will. If I ever kill someone, it will be for my own reasons - not someone else's.

EVERY soldier in war is a political statement.

Who do you think gives the orders to go to war in the first place?
Politicians possibly?

And in case you are wondering, I have never served in the military and I never will. If I ever kill someone, it will be for my own reasons - not someone else's.
So I guess freedom isn't in your future agenda. But don't worry the others like the men in that picture will pick up the slack for you!

So you are saying that making a picture from hundreds of dead soldiers to make President Bush look bad is ok.

Well, it's certainly justifiable, he was the man who sent them to thier deaths.

So I guess freedom isn't in your future agenda. But don't worry the others like the men in that picture will pick up the slack for you!

So you are saying that making a picture from hundreds of dead soldiers to make President Bush look bad is ok. How do you arrive at that conclusion? Because I won't distribute violence on someone else's orders?

The men in that picture may have done something, but it has nothing to do with taking up any slack for me. They chose to pull that cart and I am not a passenger on it.

President Bush doesn't need any help from those who made the picture, he can manage the way he looks all by himself. OTOH, they could have made the picture from dead Iraqis. It would have had much better resolution.

I find it interesting that everyone seems to have a similar interpretation of that picture....it's just a picture, what it means is whatever an individual chooses it to mean.

I find it interesting that everyone seems to have a similar interpretation of that picture....it's just a picture, what it means is whatever an individual chooses it to mean.
So would you tell that to those men's parents/wifes/children and friends?

I would show them that picture and tell them this is what some people think their death is good for (propaganda)

I'ts ok if you don't support the war or Bush, "you were given that right" But don't use a picture full of dead americans to better prove your point. This topic really shows me that America is becoming weak. Do me a favor and don't infect more people with your weak genetics. :disappoin http://www.september11news.com/WorldNewspapersSydney.jpg

Weak genetics?

Weak willpower?

Which would you rather have?

erricer, you should be embarassed at your assumptions, why do you assume that everyone posting here is American?
All I see you doing right now is becoming more insulting at each post, you're only hurting your own arguments.

Weak genetics?

Weak willpower?

Which would you rather have?

erricer, you should be embarassed at your assumptions, why do you assume that everyone posting here is American?
All I see you doing right now is becoming more insulting at each post, you're only hurting your own arguments.

Sorry if I claimed someone to be an American if they are not. Im also sorry if im becoming insulting aswell. I have alot of friends in Iraq right now. A few have already paid the ultimate sacrifice. Seeing a picture like that just really gets my blood going.

I tend to agree with eericers reasoning on this one. I never looked it from that point of view before. Someone is making a political against someone they don't like or don't want to see in office again. The statement is being made from the deaths of people who may or may not have approve of that statement. I wouldn't have wanted my picture to have appeared in there if I was one of them. Did the artist ask permission from the families of the fallen soldier?

I bet John Kerry made that picture.

If you want to honor the fallen soliders than honor them no need to push politics using pictures of dead people. I for one am honored by any servicemen or women who serve their country no matter what country it is. I also believe that everyone has a right to their opinions, I may not agree with them but they also don't agree with mine.

Now to the non Americans who are against Bush you have the right to come to America become a citizen and vote against Bush. You can sit here and complain, blame everything under the sun on one man but America doesn't answer to one man, Bush may be the president but congress has say so on matters to. So blame congress, the president and the people.

I bet John Kerry made that picture.
lol... or tanaki

lol... or tanaki
taranaki


I will now withdraw my statement about you being able to read. You're still gullible though.

So would you tell that to those men's parents/wifes/children and friends?

I would show them that picture and tell them this is what some people think their death is good for (propaganda)

Are you so sure that the families of those serving in Iraq are all of one mind? I'm sure that some of them think, as I do, that the death of their loved ones, along with tens of thousands of Iraqi children, was unnecessary and avoidable.

I can think of no worse fate than to have our children die before we do so I do feel for their families. I can also sympathise with the families of those Iraqis that died. It's not hard to imagine that when a person has everything they ever loved taken from them, they become the most dangerous opponent that exists.

I'ts ok if you don't support the war or Bush, "you were given that right"I claim that right - it was not given to me or anyone else. It is something a person chooses, not something that can be given.

I don't support the war and that is one of reasons for not supporting Bush. Other reasons include the withdrawals from international trade and environmental agreements. It has nothing to do with who he is or what party he belongs to or even the words he speaks. It has only to do with his actions.

But don't use a picture full of dead americans to better prove your point. This topic really shows me that America is becoming weak. Do me a favor and don't infect more people with your weak genetics. :disappoin http://www.september11news.com/WorldNewspapersSydney.jpg
The WTC picture you posted has no bearing on Iraq. It is deceptive propaganda in that it implies that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Do you still believe that to be the case?

Furthermore, the picture conjures up an experience so profound for some people that if the next word they hear when they see it is "Iraq", the two become falsely associated on a subliminal level.

It is perception management at it's most lethal in that it takes advantage of an individuals tragic experience to promote a falsehood. I don't oppose the use of the picture in that way because I am mindful of what is being done and how. Unfortunately, for various reasons many people do not see through it.

I respect your choice of vocation and the sacrifices made for what you believe in. I also believe that anybody in the armed forces is placed in an environment more conducive to indoctrination than almost any other.

As for the genetic comment, what makes you so superior?
Think you can kick my ass just because you're a marine?
Get over yourself!.

Just because a person chooses not resort to physical violence before using their most powerful weapon/tool (their mind), doesn't mean they couldn't rip your windpipe from your neck in the time it takes you to blink.

BTW, ever heard of General Smedley Darlington Butler, USMC (http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm) ???
Read the link and find out what a soldier who finally managed to think for himself discovered. Then you might have an appreciation of who is really reaping the benefits of the ultimate sacrifices made by the people. They did not die for nothing, but they did not die for what they thought they were fighting for. Then you might realise who is really going to "get some".

taranaki


I will now withdraw my statement about you being able to read. You're still gullible though.

And also very gone.

Apparently,he got pissed because I called him an idiot.So he decided to start 'haunting' my posts,and obsessing about me.Which kind of proves my point. :cwm27:

Are you so sure that the families of those serving in Iraq are all of one mind? I'm sure that some of them think, as I do, that the death of their loved ones, along with tens of thousands of Iraqi children, was unnecessary and avoidable.

I can think of no worse fate than to have our children die before we do so I do feel for their families. I can also sympathise with the families of those Iraqis that died. It's not hard to imagine that when a person has everything they ever loved taken from them, they become the most dangerous opponent that exists.

The WTC picture you posted has no bearing on Iraq. It is deceptive propaganda in that it implies that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Do you still believe that to be the case?

Furthermore, the picture conjures up an experience so profound for some people that if the next word they hear when they see it is "Iraq", the two become falsely associated on a subliminal level.



I agree with these statements also. I don't believe all Iraq's citizens are bad, not all muslims are bad, nor are all Americans bad.

The WTC picture really has no bearing on Iraq but it is used that way. It should be used agaisnt Osama and not other countries.