Bore and Stroke (B18B1)
M@St3R_D
04-08-2004, 01:34 AM
Ok... I'm about to start a Turbo LS/Non-Vtec project... I'm looking for a 350-400HP streetable car. I'm gathering infos because I wanna build my engine from A to Z and I don't have no worries about money... So here are the first things I'd like you to help me with...
Stroke:
I know that the R/S of a B18B1 is 1.54 and that the ideal R/S is 1.75... To get close to this ideal number, I need to decrease the stroke (which is originaly to 89mm) right??? I think that 77mm of stroke would be close enough giving 1.74 R/S... Correct me if i'm wrong... Diminishing rod lenght (which is originaly 137mm) would help achieving this goal... If I missed anything from now on, just let me know... Is it possible to do so w/o diminishing reliability??? If yes, experienced suggestions would be appreciated... Regarding to my knowledge, this is a good modification for FI application on B18B1 because horizontal pressure on cylinder walls is diminished...
Bore:
Also, I'd like to increase the displacement of my 1.8L B18B1 (1834cc) by reaching 2.0L... To do so, I would need to resleeve the cylinders to 84mm right??? I heard good things about the AEBS T-sleeves... Would it be a good idea to do so??? Would it be reasonably reliable??? Again, if I missed anything, just let me know... I don't push the car to maximum all the time so... That can give you an average idea of the engine use...
I got most of my informations by searching this forums "R/S, Bore, Stroke...". Thanks a lot for your great support guys :)
Stroke:
I know that the R/S of a B18B1 is 1.54 and that the ideal R/S is 1.75... To get close to this ideal number, I need to decrease the stroke (which is originaly to 89mm) right??? I think that 77mm of stroke would be close enough giving 1.74 R/S... Correct me if i'm wrong... Diminishing rod lenght (which is originaly 137mm) would help achieving this goal... If I missed anything from now on, just let me know... Is it possible to do so w/o diminishing reliability??? If yes, experienced suggestions would be appreciated... Regarding to my knowledge, this is a good modification for FI application on B18B1 because horizontal pressure on cylinder walls is diminished...
Bore:
Also, I'd like to increase the displacement of my 1.8L B18B1 (1834cc) by reaching 2.0L... To do so, I would need to resleeve the cylinders to 84mm right??? I heard good things about the AEBS T-sleeves... Would it be a good idea to do so??? Would it be reasonably reliable??? Again, if I missed anything, just let me know... I don't push the car to maximum all the time so... That can give you an average idea of the engine use...
I got most of my informations by searching this forums "R/S, Bore, Stroke...". Thanks a lot for your great support guys :)
spooleffect
04-08-2004, 01:43 AM
... Diminishing rod lenght (which is originaly 137mm) would help achieving this goal...
That decreases your rod ratio.
That decreases your rod ratio.
M@St3R_D
04-08-2004, 01:54 AM
You mean that instead of reaching the 1.75, I would decrease the 1.54??? (ie. 1.51)
spooleffect
04-08-2004, 02:02 AM
Yeah, shortening the rod will decrease the rod ratio. The B16 has the higher rod ratio because it has a shorter stroke than a B18 and can therefore fit a longer rod which increases the rod ratio.
M@St3R_D
04-08-2004, 02:08 AM
But how do I increase the rod ratio then??? If it's possible of course...
spooleffect
04-08-2004, 02:12 AM
Fit a longer rod in by either shortening the stroke length or raising the deck(which is not gonna happen).
I'd rather keep the displacement and loose long term engine longevity than get a higher rod ratio. Your rings just might not last 100k with a 1.54 ratio, big deal. Rod ratio is not as big a deal as everyone says.
I'd rather keep the displacement and loose long term engine longevity than get a higher rod ratio. Your rings just might not last 100k with a 1.54 ratio, big deal. Rod ratio is not as big a deal as everyone says.
M@St3R_D
04-08-2004, 02:17 AM
There's something that comes to my mind... If I put in longer rods, the valves clearance will be affected right?
spooleffect
04-08-2004, 02:18 AM
Yep
M@St3R_D
04-08-2004, 02:24 AM
But doing so, I mean increasing R/S, isn't a bad thing as well??? There's just some trade-offs to do right???
spooleffect
04-08-2004, 02:34 AM
With the rod ratio specs you deal with in B series motors, you don't see a very big difference as far as benefits and downfalls of a higher or lower rod ratio. Like I said before, its not a big issue. You don't need to worry about it.
I'd be putting more thought into internals, fuel delivery, turbo sizing, intercooler setup, traction, and ignition timing, etc. if I were you. There are far mor important things to worry about than rod ratio in your case.
I'd be putting more thought into internals, fuel delivery, turbo sizing, intercooler setup, traction, and ignition timing, etc. if I were you. There are far mor important things to worry about than rod ratio in your case.
M@St3R_D
04-08-2004, 02:38 AM
Ok I got it... I know that there are things far more important to take care of but, the fact is that I'm an EXTREMELY meticulous person so, I want everything to be perfect but sometimes it kinda becomes too much :rolleyes: Thanks again for your input spooleffect :)
spooleffect
04-08-2004, 02:38 AM
No prob, Im glad I could help. I am also meticulous but not if I don't need to be.
redmanjd
04-08-2004, 05:57 AM
the rod to stroke ratio i basically only for longevity. it is th amount of force that is everted on the cylinder walls. you can run a stock b18b r/s with some iron sleeves and be perfectly fine.But if you want a b16 r/s my suggestion is to get a b16. Because your rod stroke also factors in your crank and rods.
spooleffect
04-08-2004, 10:56 AM
It also affects the powerbands rpm range.
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