civics suck

everyone it dont matter if the celica is better than any honda, its the fact civics and all that suck, civic was a big car cuz everyone could get the parts, so everyone got a civic, but when it came to races they lost like a bitch, and still do, civic and tha parts came out to fast and turned out shitty for lack of quality and "emotion". :loser:

Agreed.. They are like zits on a teenager, they're everywhere..

However they are Excellent Excellent economy cars by far, very tight engine for the city but not for racing..

haha if u read in any civic manual it says 2 door or 4 door COUP or something to that extent...does not say "fucking rice rocket"

haha i love it when people run around my town in civics... probably about 25% of cars in my town are civics....no joke.....

haha there alwys like DUDE CHECK OUT MY NEW HEADS...n im like yeah does it go along with your soy sauce conversion kit u faggot

hahaha
:rolf: whata :loser:

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u guys really are idoits arent u :lol2:

no its just fun when everyone talks bout civics and how awesome they are, they're, putting in quote, "grocery cars"

dont get me wrong.. i dont like "ricers" either... and yes civics are everywhere... but please... this is the "celica forum" ... and i dont see how a thread titled "civics suck" has to do anything w/ celicas... if u really dont like civics that much then oh well your bad... no one cares and keep it to your self... i myself have respect for honda... they were teh first to come out with a system like vtec and honda puts a lot of technology into their engines...

letme add somethin to this, honda makes acura's, am i correct, acura's are nice cars and i myself like them, but the civics are all based on a straight foward designs, its old i mean you take a look at teh car and you instantly know the model,geez come on. and ghetto i posted this up here because it seems that more than half the forums i read have someone saying some thin bout a civic or some other honda, so insteads of raggin on them everywhere else , keep it here.

and my point is that there is no point of "raggin" on them.. if there are so many of these comments at other forums then post it there... eveything acura over here is honda in japan... so every time u say that honda is the worst company then u are saying so is the rsx, tsx, tl, cl, nsx, integra, so on

yah thats why they got honda's and acura's drivin around, dude this thread was made to rag on honda's, if you dont like it then get the hell outa it:)

haha hes mad cuz his wasabi intake broke

haha very funny..... :screwy: .... i own a 94' mr2.... and it doesnt have any stickers... so wut do u consider rice? im sure your st goes real fast

no i just have no respect for civics... porbably 1/3 of the cars in my town (population of 75,000) are honda.... and most of them are civics and acords....so i dont like em...plain and simple

I somewhat agree with "civics suck" but i also have alot of respect for the real enthusiasts who actually put forth effort to make a not so fast stock vehicle into a 13 and below car, as long asthey dont have fuckin fake ass stickers and chinese writing all over them i think they are all right. Ive seen some really nice civics, didnt have the stickers or shoppin cart handle on them, and it looked real nice w/ the kit, rims hood, fenders, and it didnt have a blatty exaust, had a nice smooth throaty sound, coulda smoked the shit outa my gt-s too... they new SI's look and perform really well, i like them too.. so dont just make a generalization about all civics and their owners, gotta give credit where it is due...

actually i dont enven care about the Si's civics are too expensive for how fast they are...plain and simple...in my town a 94 civic goes for 5k-7k and thats just for a dx or ex....everyone wants one in my town so thyere expensive... with 5 K-7k i could buy my car and make it a 14 second car...plain and simple i have no respect for the hoopy ass people in my ton that put body kit...rims...fat spoiler...and exaust tip...not even cat back system just a muffler tip and think there fuckin cool shit

dont get me wrong theres an 11 second civic drivin around here but if i saw an 11 second civic that looks hella nice with rims n stuff...then i saw a 11 second pink convertable pinto that has a guy in assless chaps and black leather in it id the guy in the civic was gayer....

to prove my point threres almost no way anyone can trick out your civic withought actauilly individualizing yourself... unless you put your name in big red letters on the side of your car

Or paint your entire family tree on your car with your name highlighted..

haah that would work too... the day i find a civic that beats mine that spent less then 2x on his car then mine i will somewhat have respect for civics

straight up you have to have respect for honda...i mean they are everywhere but look what honda has done...mentioned earlier the first vtec type system and look at there engines...the b16a2 jdm has 170 hp on a 1.6 liter engine thats 105 hp per liter....how does toyota compete with that> or i beleive its the k20 in the new s2000. 240 hp on 2.0 liter. 120 hp per liter!!! what do stock 3sge come with on their 2.0 liter? or even the turbo charged??? still just 200-265 hp? aint got nothin on honda....just saying dont hate just becuz they are everywhere... be happy that you have somethin different.

straight up you have to have respect for honda...i mean they are everywhere but look what honda has done...mentioned earlier the first vtec type system and look at there engines...the b16a2 jdm has 170 hp on a 1.6 liter engine thats 105 hp per liter....how does toyota compete with that> or i beleive its the k20 in the new s2000. 240 hp on 2.0 liter. 120 hp per liter!!! what do stock 3sge come with on their 2.0 liter? or even the turbo charged??? still just 200-265 hp? aint got nothin on honda....just saying dont hate just becuz they are everywhere... be happy that you have somethin different.

120 Hp per liter yeah butthe 3sgte ona a gt4 has 255 hp....127 Hp per liter... beats out honda...im not sayin i hate honda...there portraied as hella good fast cars, dont get me wrong i think hondas are good ECONEMY cars... im just hatn on civics because civics are hella gay and are way ovverated...

if you dont agree with me then i invite you to come to my town for 1 day and see how many civics you see and see how many just have visuals and no performace then they get up to u at a stoplight and rev there shit thininkin there tight and there all stock so there runnin like 18's and they think there hella cool

i see way to many honda's all trciked out, everyone says look at that gay ricer, then i see one stock celica drivin by and instantly everyone is sayin damn check that shit out. man honda's ya was once a good street racer, but soon enough they got left in the dust, the s2000 is a nice car, but its way to much $$$. and the 00' celica gt-s comes stock 180.

look, its obviously not civics you hate, but "ricers". ive seen more than my fair share of celica's decked out with stupid rims and huge wings and needless body kits and fart can exhaust. they were no more or less stupid in their deeds than any civic ricer out there.

and yea, civics are grocery getter's, for the most part, but an SI (well the old b16 SI's) are pure sports car, and no more expensive than the same year model celica's

and no, honda wasnt the first to come up with variable valve timing, that was nissan.

to re-iterate: its not the cars you hate, its the additudes of those in them.

and i know more than one civic that cost less than 5000, mods and all, naturally aspirated that would be more than happy to show you their tail lights, just drop me a line when your in dallas sometime.

haha someomone with a 94' civic that dropped less than 5K with cost of car to make it a low 15 high 14... nope wouldnt believe it till i saw dyno and parts list

[QUOTE=91 Celica St]120 Hp per liter yeah butthe 3sgte ona a gt4 has 255 hp....127 Hp per liter... beats out honda...]

right but that is on a turbo charged engine....the k20 is NA...so when you add the turbo to the car it gets 7 more hp a liter....doesnt sound like to great of a deal does it?

91celica st?? you think your car can do 15 with an st engine? if that is what you mean by your last post then i would like to see it. hope you got some nice mods on your 105 hp engine.

91celica st?? you think your car can do 15 with an st engine? if that is what you mean by your last post then i would like to see it. hope you got some nice mods on your 105 hp engine.

no im saying ive seen gts's with less then 3500 with cost of car that run low 15's and some even high 14's
n btw ill post up some dyno sheet of when i goto the track and can prove to retards who think my 4afe in my st can can hit mid 15's with just cai and a few other things....i paid 2100 plus taxes for my car and
spent about 300 on it and i run mid 15's id like to see someone that buys a civic and parts for under $2500 that runs faster than 16's

you wont ever see one unless some rich kids grandma buys one and he buys i off her for 1 cent...

look at the year difference between the 2 engines... the K20 was made 15 years after the 3sgte, in my and probably may other peoples opinions it is a far superior engine with many possibilities of improvement, that engine is truly a marvel of its time....still competing with engines 15 years after stock for stock

oh n btw know what your talking about before you say it
Celica Kid []
AF Newbie
...my car comes with 102 hp stock :)

Hope You guys don't hate me for this but I have a CRX SI that I dirt track I turn it at 7200 rpm all day long and it has 187,000 miles on it and it Kicks butt every time it goes out. I also have a 91 GTS for the street and it does well out there too. So I'm Kinda undecided here, I say to each his own and just have fun driving whatever you drive!!!! P.S. I only have a total of $500 in the crx and thats including buying it.

haha someomone with a 94' civic that dropped less than 5K with cost of car to make it a low 15 high 14... nope wouldnt believe it till i saw dyno and parts list

its actually a '91 civic hatch:

parts list goes like this (now, i barely know the guy, so i dont know EVERYTHING, but this is what i can tell/have asked)
rolling chasis:$500

LS V-tech swap:free, donated engine from another friends wreck but we'll go ahead and say $2000 (did the install himself)

basic exhaust work: $400 total 2.5 inch, headers, test pipe, no muffler, straight exhaust

basic intake: $50

bored throttle body: $75

junkyard integra rims: $400 (well, im not sure on price, but one rim cost my friend $90, so this is a generous guess)

halfway stripped interior: i say half way cuz he has his dash, both front seats and carpet...other than that, nothin'

he claimed to run a 15.4 in the quarter, but i only saw him run a 9.2 in the eigth so im unsure as to his 1/4 time.

keep in mind several of the prices are rough estimates, based on what i paid for the same bit on my prelude, but at $3125 (counting a $2000 engine/tranny he didnt actually pay for), id say he's doing pretty well. :biggrin:

yeah but you forgot the price of the car...probably another 2k added on to that

91 celica st you need to take a chill pill dude...seems like you are taking this way to personally...i do know what i am talking about when it comes to the 5sfe engine...i didnt look much into the 4afe and just becuz i am new to this forum doesnt mean i am new to toyotas you might want to check other forums i have more then double your posts in other forums kid. so chill yourself. i was just giving my guess on where abouts the st engine put out...and what mods do you have done to your car for what did you say 300 dollars? oh and you said a 3sgte on a gt4. what generation is that? its not the 1990 usdm one those put out 200... so its obviously not 15 years older and you are still comparing NA to blown.

personally...no im just proving my point that toyota is superior than honda... double my posts?
Celica Kid [] Posts: 34
91 Celica St [] Posts: 113
who gives a shit about how many posts any of us have neway...im not trying to be a dick just trying to show that celicas are better than civics...ur the one that needs to chill becuase ur gettn worked up over nuthin, you are entilted to your opinon as i am entiteled to mine...
Intake -$50
Pacesetter headers-$125
NGk plugs, plug wires, distributer-$125
in about a week ill have
pacesetter Cat-Back Exhaust System $300

well i think if you are trying to prove for some reason that toyota is better then honda you need to have more back then just so many ppl have hondas. what is better about toyotas? they are faster or what? hondas are more economical... but all cars can be fast..just depends on your style. and in regards to the posts i mentioned OTHER forums...cuz this is not the only one on the net bout toyotas. but in anycase i just think that an opinion on which car make is better is kind of a loosing battle on both sides.

yeah but you forgot the price of the car...probably another 2k added on to that

see the bit that says "rolling chasis"...thats a car, with no engine or tranny.

wait...you run mid 15's in an st with just an intake and some pacesetter headers?

hrmmm, lets see, according to edmunds.com you have 103hp and 102 torque stock.

i'll be REALLY generous and say you got 10 hp out of each of those mods. that +30 hp and torque (i can keep a straight face) which means your looking at 133 hp and 132 torque. at the flywheel.

according to sean hyland motorsports quartermile formula, youd need about 182 hp at the flywheel to run a 15.5 (assume you weigh all of 150 lbs).

even with my WAY OVER GENEROUS assesment of your HP gains, your running (let me check) a 17.3 (approximatly). almost two second slower than you claim.

sounds like a civic driver to me :D

lol... better watch out, the administrators will start threatining yall if you get any more violent... but what i said was pretty unnecessary...

honda's are more economical, but by how much, and for the lack of economy toyota makes up in speed, now personally i like toyota's makes, even the truck is better than the ford, and ford is better than chevy and dodge is about equal with ford, not to be hatin but chevy is all down, except for the ss models. but earlier mentioned, someone said that this was a stupid post, its god some responses, and everyone expresses how they put the toyotas with hondas

lol... the ss models arent all that impressive... we were lookin at all the trucks before we bought our f250 superduty fx4... and the ss had nothing on it... and i dont understand the comment on how toyota trucks are better than ford... maybe so... i guess thats just not my opinion...

the body design is nice, but the ss comes in from the older muscle cars, camero, chevelle, ect.

dont forget to vote on the poll everyone that commented in this post.and no the toyota dont make a truck to stand up to anything above f-150 in fords, but the ford brochure for the 04 f-150 had a comparison and alot of things toyota had better.

this site might show the comparison http://www.fordvehicles.com/Trucks/f150/compare/details/?vehicles=14114|13502|13254|14378

I know what ss (super sport) is... wasnt born yesterday,;) ill check out that comparison...

i tried helpin a friend restore an ss, man he had some stock shit mixed with ss parts so it took us forever to figure out what was up

i fail to see how honda is the "more economical" and toyota is the "more speedy"

lets keep in mind, both have electronic hybrids, but honda doesnt have an all gas "pure economy car" like the echo (at least i dont think so)

and for every gt-s celica, there is a 2000s.

and lets not forget honda has the family car market cornered (honestly, can we say the camry has ANYTHING on the accord?)

so really, instead of over generalizing, lets stick to the facts.

hey lazysmurf (awesome name by the way) do you really need that much hp at the flywheel just to run in the 15's> i thought it might be like 150 but 180! that seems kinda crazy...but i have no idea never been to a track but that just seems like a lot...so like an alltrac or somethin barely will run in the low 15's stock?? thats nuts! puts a whole new meaning to having a 10 second car.

wait...you run mid 15's in an st with just an intake and some pacesetter headers?

hrmmm, lets see, according to edmunds.com you have 103hp and 102 torque stock.

i'll be REALLY generous and say you got 10 hp out of each of those mods. that +30 hp and torque (i can keep a straight face) which means your looking at 133 hp and 132 torque. at the flywheel.

according to sean hyland motorsports quartermile formula, youd need about 182 hp at the flywheel to run a 15.5 (assume you weigh all of 150 lbs).

even with my WAY OVER GENEROUS assesment of your HP gains, your running (let me check) a 17.3 (approximatly). almost two second slower than you claim.

sounds like a civic driver to me :D
haha ur funny try taking into the fact that i have a jdm not usdm 4afe and that with no ac no power options and no seats im looking at about 2100 pounds of car....
and thats a bunch of bs cuz the guy that inspired me to buy a celica ran a high 15 with basically the same mods as me b w exhaust on a usdm...dyno at sears point and everything so how about you dont refer to a web site cuz i can go make a web site right now that says my car runs a 13.1 1/4 and yeah i weigh 155 pounds

ford broncos truly awsome...the old 70's are sick, imagin a nowadays jeep wrnagler with a 350 5.0 v8 in it...massve tourque

hey lazysmurf (awesome name by the way) do you really need that much hp at the flywheel just to run in the 15's> i thought it might be like 150 but 180! that seems kinda crazy...but i have no idea never been to a track but that just seems like a lot...so like an alltrac or somethin barely will run in the low 15's stock?? thats nuts! puts a whole new meaning to having a 10 second car.

ive never even seen an all track but FROM A WEBSITE I KNOW... they can run mid 14's...ive seen mr2 turbos run mid 14's at infinion raceway so i assum a celica should run the same or better because the all wheel drive and the lighter weight

well i think if you are trying to prove for some reason that toyota is better then honda you need to have more back then just so many ppl have hondas. what is better about toyotas? they are faster or what? hondas are more economical... but all cars can be fast..just depends on your style. and in regards to the posts i mentioned OTHER forums...cuz this is not the only one on the net bout toyotas. but in anycase i just think that an opinion on which car make is better is kind of a loosing battle on both sides.
i could give a shit about honda...im not trying to influence you or anything just sayn i wont ever buy one...i know there are better qualities with honda than toyota and vice versa, no car is perfect and no car is in actuallity the best...there will always be something bigger and better than your car or your company

well ok then...this thread has just become kinda pointless now if you say that neither car is better.... but i am glad we resolved it.

i do wanan say one thing to prove my point to papa smurf of what his name is...im gunna get the slips from infinion raceway in my st along with pictures and show that i can run a mid 15.... ill create a new post for it when i get them....should b next next wednesday becuase im putting in an oem clutch kit in

and yeah this thread was kinda stupuid just got people pissed at eachother

ok, ill be waiting eagerly, not tht i dont believe you, but math doesnt tend to lie...better make sure you match car numbers...some dude i had this argument with tried to pass off a z28 slip as his.

oh, and ill detect photoshoping real easyily, so dont even waste your time.

again, not that i dont believe you, but i used the same site to input my cars ET and it gave me my HP, so ill take it as true.

u wanna send me the site so i can check it out? n btw my car is a Jdm celica not USDM, so i dont actualyl know how much horses, ill run the 1/4 and take a pitcure of it and put it on here, im not a fag so im not gunna mess with it, and you have to take in the fact that a normal st wiehgs 2500 pounds but ive removed all poer options...no moonroof....no AC. i can easily remove the pass seat (even though i only do it when i race) so u gotta figure that its not as heavy...oh and theres an electric fan in it not the belt fan

heres the site with the HP formula that i used...you'll have to use it backwards...ie input your estimated 1/4 time to get Hp figures

http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/techical_measurement_calculations.shtml

thats a pretty tight site dude...i like it much good find playa

Yes, interesting...

yea this thread got alot of feedback that had alot of arguing, i didnt expect it to get like it did, i just wanted to start it so people could put everything they hadda say bout honda's in here because everyones talking bout honda's in other threads, and this is a celica forum

ok,....

thanks smurf... yeah this forum did get a little crappy...id advise locking it...ill create another forum when i get my 1/4 time :)

Cant wait to see it

yup..shyould b goin pretty soon here...need to replace clutch and put my exhaust on

what are you expecting to run? did you say 15's? just curious...and if you put on an act clutch and light weight flywheel that will add a bunch of hp to all ranges of the rpm!!