Legalize It

Here's something that'll get you poeple debating.:smokin:

Weed, Mary Jane, Pot, Devil's Lettuce.

Reasons for.... re-legalizing of it.

Reasons to.... keep it illegal.

:feedback: ...yyeaaahh, that'id be ggrrreaaat.

This 'oughta be good.

Haven't we done this enough in the 'philosophical' board?

Here's something that'll get you poeple debating.:smokin:

Weed, Mary Jane, Pot, Devil's Lettuce.

Reasons for.... re-legalizing of it.

Reasons to.... keep it illegal.

:feedback: ...yyeaaahh, that'id be ggrrreaaat.

This 'oughta be good.



agreed

Word. Legalize it.

yeah Legalize it!!
They where about to do it here in AZ but there was more votes against it ... so that sucks:banghead:

Legalize it! It's a good anti-depressent.

Another recycled topic in off-topic.Doubt very much if anything has changed since we last covered it.

...yyeaaahh, that'id be ggrrreaaat.



Best part of the whole thread :lol2:


I don't give a fuck either way, I don't smoke it. Just another thing for us to fuck ourselves up on...

I suppose it'd be alright.I still think certain professions should be tested for drugs.Surgeons,pilots,bus drivers,I've never heard anyone smoking pot say"Lets go out and rob a bank,mug someone,ect."Usually it's,"Let's order a pizza and play some PS2.

And that was one of the supposed reasons why it was illegalized, it caused crime. Harry D. Anslinger of the FBN claimed that it turned perfectly good kids into crazed murdering dope fiends and rapists. Funny how he was a good friend of the DuPont family as well. He pushed for illegalization as a process was invented to seperate the reeds of marijuana plants and could shut down the paper industry overnight. 1 acre of Marijuana yields as much paper as 4 acres of forest land. Much cheaper to go marijuana huh? Also, Marijuana is a made up name, Anslinger wanted something that sounded scary, that nobody would've ever heard of. I'll go dig up this book I have on the subject, but it has alot of things that really kind of tell you how messed up the whole thing was, of course there's a whole conspiracy around the subject. I find it all ironic considering in the 30's it was deemed the "safest therapeutic substance known to man."

Legalize it, tax it, create product to get people off of it. Sounds like a good plan to me.

No. Leave it illegal. Over here it gives too much support to OC.

Legalize it, tax it, create product to get people off of it. Sounds like a good plan to me.

What do you mean to get people off it? Not trying to sound rigid, I just mean are you saying it's addictive. And IIRC, it's not so much that it's illegal, it's that it's taxed heavily, something like 1000 bucks per ounce.

I'm just saying treat them like cigarettes.

There are more addictions then just physical ones.

Legalize it, tax it, create product to get people off of it. Sounds like a good plan to me.
My thoughts exactly.

I'm just saying treat them like cigarettes.

There are more addictions then just physical ones.

Oh yeah, I definitely agree, I do believe there's a mental addiction. I'd think they'd treat it more like alcohol if it were legalized though.

No. Leave it illegal. Over here it gives too much support to OC.


Your logic is flawed Rhys.

If it was legalised, people could buy it in shops like cigarettes, etc, or cafes, or whatever. The gangs would struggle trying to sell it, because it would be much safer (and probably cheaper) to get it over the counter. OC would suffer if it tried to make money from selling weed if it was legal.

Your logic is flawed Rhys.

If it was legalised, people could buy it in shops like cigarettes, etc, or cafes, or whatever. The gangs would struggle trying to sell it, because it would be much safer (and probably cheaper) to get it over the counter. OC would suffer if it tried to make money from selling weed if it was legal.
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I suppose it'd be alright.I still think certain professions should be tested for drugs.Surgeons,pilots,bus drivers,I've never heard anyone smoking pot say"Lets go out and rob a bank,mug someone,ect."Usually it's,"Let's order a pizza and play some PS2.

Really? So the fact that 90% of pot heads I know also participate in OTHER illegal activities, including theft, is irrelevant?

Really? So the fact that 90% of pot heads I know also participate in OTHER illegal activities, including theft, is irrelevant?
yeah, it is. so your friends are scummy enough to have a habit they can't maintain legitimately. that's just you guys. I never stole a thing in my life. and what's 90% of the potheads you know? 4 maybe 5 people? hardly a case study.


The main reason why marijuana is still illegal is because anheiser busch and adolf(i think) Coors are the number one contributors to the "Foundation for a drug free america" they donate as much money as they can to make sure that beer is not threatened as the number one american way to get fucked up. i say legalize it. it's too expensive as is unless you sell it or grow it yourself.

Legalize it. So I don't have to drive for 15 mins to buy it any more. That is all.

Wow it'd be cool. I could just imagine, the day after it was legalized there'd be hobos and teenagers laying in the streets, and my marijauna farm/resort stocks would have gone through the roof. Invest now!
25% of the population would not show up to work, 15% of the population would be dead for trying to drive/mow the lawn/change a lightbulb on a high ceiling, while smoking.
Anyway the most important point I'm trying to make is that you should invest in my imaginary company now, 'cause once it's legal we'll all be millionaires.

I'll take 100 shares. When do we float?

As soon as we have enough share holders, to form a lobby to influence government - with bribes from their stock money.

:bananasmi

yeah, it is. so your friends are scummy enough to have a habit they can't maintain legitimately. that's just you guys. I never stole a thing in my life. and what's 90% of the potheads you know? 4 maybe 5 people? hardly a case study.


The main reason why marijuana is still illegal is because anheiser busch and adolf(i think) Coors are the number one contributors to the "Foundation for a drug free america" they donate as much money as they can to make sure that beer is not threatened as the number one american way to get fucked up. i say legalize it. it's too expensive as is unless you sell it or grow it yourself.

Yeah, lets not worry about all those long term stoners who are nicely fucked up.

And too scummy? These people are hardly ever short of cash, but you run off with your brilliant assumptions and further add to the keep it illegal movement by providing perhaps a reason to why it is known to have negative neurological effects.

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That postwhoring by the exact definition.

Dave, I'll respond to your post soonish.

if 90% of the potheads you know are also crooks, you're hangin out with the wrong people, man.

You better soon, Rhys, you always say that then never deliver :p

The Man knows that pot isn't all that bad. They would legalize it for taxation, but no one has the BALLS to do it because they know that it would ruin their political career. It is still not a widley accepted thing amongst the genereal public, so anyone that was important would be ruined if they spoke in favor of it.

The other thing is that the people who were caught with 600 pounds of pot in their truck crossing the border, along with some kid with a gram on him would have to be freed from jail. And when the government goes back on it's word, it has to pay the people they did wrong to...see slavery.

I predict that when it becomes more widley accepted (which it is), prosecution will go down and someone will speak up. Until then, we travel to Amsterdam.

I'll take 100 shares. When do we float?

We don't float,we fly.









Briefly.







Then we feel like shit until payday.


Some lifestyle. :rolleyes:

Feel like shit? When was the last time you smoked mate? Pot has no come down/hangover type effects. :)

I have never felt like shit from smoking pot, I do however get a headache or a hangover anytime I go out drinking, the worst I do after getting smoked out is take a nap for an hour or two. Slave, there are no links to major crime with marijuana, and their are no proven long term effects on memory, if you know people abusing a variety of drugs who are out of it, it's not the pot. Much like how I wouldn't blame a heroin addict for dying on the prescription drugs he was taking at the time. The two are unrelated, cocaine and other narcotics were illegalized because of ties to major crime. Marijuana was illegalized as processes were invented in the harvest of marijuana that would shut paper industries down overnight. The government has huge ties in major corporations that make massive donations, they're not going to stand by while they let a mildly intoxicating plant shut down their biggest supporters. And 2stroke, when the hell has anybody stoned even gone to change a lightbulb? :rofl: I say fuck it and do it later.

Really? So the fact that 90% of pot heads I know also participate in OTHER illegal activities, including theft, is irrelevant?
What kind of Jerk-offs do you know??? I don't mess with any of that stuff anymore.It does'nt do anything for me.But,all the people that I know that dabble in those sort of things are pretty hard working people.They pay their taxes,work for a living,blah,blah.

I've seen people do crazier shit on tequila than on pot.When is the last time you saw a guy try to choke another man to death after smoking pot??If you have,that person needs thorazine,or some other more powerful drug to keep him in check.

And 2stroke, when the hell has anybody stoned even gone to change a lightbulb? :rofl: I say fuck it and do it later.

Once it's legal, people who would have never somked it before will. People who change light bulbs will. Presently, the majority of continuing pot users are mostly made up of lazy people who need a quick substitute for real happiness and have no life.
But in the future when it's legalized, you won't even have to be a slacker or a loser to reap the benefits of this drug, you can even be somebody who changes lightbulbs. :iceslolan

That postwhoring by the exact definition.



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Sorry, couldn't help myself.:icon16:

I'll take 10000 shares. :naughty:

This is great keep it up people.
There are more deaths annually from caffine than pot.
The AnheiserBusch (Bush, get it) and there donations keep this country from really advancing because all of someones money stops coming in. Even though they're already filthy rich. Why would it even be hard on the timber industry when they can plant hemp in the places that had been previously clear-cutted.
It's much safer than alcohol (mentally at least). I mow the lawn, drive my car, skateboard, and do pretty much everything else while baked and never have problems.

You haven't had problems because you're too high to notice you were having problems. You know that speedbump that suddenly appeared in front of your house that one day? And was gone the next day? That was mr. muffins the cat that belonged to the four year old girl across the street. :grinno:
Honestly, driving while stoned, is really one of the stupidest things you can do, and very inconsiderate. Nobody likes to take the responsiblity of thinking what their actions could do to somebody else. :disappoin
I'm going to rant now since I already started on the "think about the consequences" idea...
The biggest and best reason to make marijauna legal is to make it safer. The stoners obviously don't give a damn about how they get their stuff so long as they have it. If they cared about other people, they wouldn't smoke it - period.
The same argument goes for most other illegal drugs, the people who use them are complete and total inconsiderate assholes, for a few minutes of pleasure, they sentence others to entire lifes of miserable violence. "It's fun, who cares about the people that live like shit so I can keep this habbit"
If you want to learn a little about the type of violence I'm talking about, just look up what's been happening in Colombia for the past several decades. True they have switched from mostly marijauna to cocaine, but look how such a silly habbit can destroy not only the users but literally thousands, if not millions of lives of completely innocent people.
America's war on drugs is an ineffective sham, and a useless waste of money, but they couldn't justify it if it weren't for all the useless dicks who don't care about anybody else.
The problem is not production, it's consumption.
The only way to solve the problem is either to make it legal, and put the illegit producers out of business, or for the current habitual users to stop being such assholes and just kick the habbit. :2cents:
Sorry for the strong language, but it's something that really gets to me.

Feel like shit? When was the last time you smoked mate? Pot has no come down/hangover type effects. :)

Observation only of the half dozen or so brain-dead tossers at work who are known to be habitual users.Low productivity,low self esteem,and poor attendance record are common themes for all of them.Sure there are some who can mange their daily life and enjoy the odd joint,but the saddos who need an altered reality on a regular basis need to adress the issues as to why they feel the need to fuck with their own emotions.

Feel like shit? When was the last time you smoked mate? Pot has no come down/hangover type effects. :)

I dunno man. Just yesterday i drank 1/3 of a cup of weed oil straight up (equal to aobut 1/2-2/3's of a batch of special brownies) just to see what would happen.

Hehe. Woah. :smokin:

I'm stil feeling kinda slow today. But not like shit.

Naki: I'm actaully pretty happy with life and where i'm going with it. But i do not disagree with the point that it can be used as an escape from the bad parts of life. Just like alcohol.

The key is in moderation. I personally see pot as no better or worse than alcohol.

Well, my thoughts on the matter are rather mixed. On one hand I think that legalizing it would be a good thing because of all the benefits of mary jane compared to other crops, and the ending of a very large part of the drug war. It would be a huge boost to agriculture here in the U.S., just import a few kick ass strains from overseas, (which we don't have because of the ban), start crossbreeding our own strains and voila, guarantee you it wouldn't be long before this place'd be growing the most in the world, which equals big bucks.

However, I also think it would be bad because of the same attitude that a few here have mentioned, "why do it now, fuck it, I'll do it later". This seems to be how pot affects productivity levels anywhere it's used. Also, I don't care what anyone thinks, if a person shows up at work high, FIRED, just like coming in drunk. If a person is caught driving, DUI, just like driving drunk. This stuff isn't a mild drug like nicotine that'll just relax you a bit, it'll fuck up your reaction time enough to be dangerous behind the wheel and useless, (not to mention stupid looking), at work. Also, do you really think that's going to happen with all those dumbassed no-smoke nazis out there drilling their message into everyones head? It'd also prompt idiotic, "I dun smoked me a blunt and kilt someone!" lawsuits all over the place.

So it has its good points, but would need to be heavily regulated too, since it has much more affect on a person than a normal cigarette would.

the only reason i can think of to legalize it would be for the day that i finaly have children. i know they will make their own decision on that and if they choose to smoke it i would rather see them going to a gas station than to some seedy part of the city and deal with some of the unsavory people that i once used to deal with.
the real issue is why is hemp illegal? its just riddiculous.

Slave, there are no links to major crime with marijuana, and their are no proven long term effects on memory, if you know people abusing a variety of drugs who are out of it, it's not the pot.

Prove the crime one for us??? None? Ok, prove there has never been a stoner committing ANY major crimes.

And no, they didn't use OTHER drugs, but once again conclusions were jumped to.

Change your name, the light may be better changed to shit.

OK, in a very brief nutshell that I can expand on if needed.

Legalisation mean more illgeal sales because of no tax. No tax means more profit= more money and power to the MMs, BPs, H61s, et el.

Nutshell.

And to think, there's people out there who want to raise the drinking age to 25...

it should be legal and treated like alcohol, people should have to be a certain age, and they should not drive under the influence. It should be sold in moderation as well and public "highness" should be punished. imo alcohol is worse and can make you violent, whereas marijuana doesn't do that. Its all in how you use it, if you abuse it you will end up with negative effects just like alcohol. its all about moderation

OK, in a very brief nutshell that I can expand on if needed.

Legalisation mean more illgeal sales because of no tax. No tax means more profit= more money and power to the MMs, BPs, H61s, et el.

Nutshell.


Once again your logic is flawed. How can they make more profit from no taxes? If someone wants to buy a tinny for say $20 from a shop including tax, or $20 bucks from a dealer tax free, what's the difference? The same price, people would still be more motivated to buy from shops. I know I would, rather than knocking on some shady tinny house owned by an angry large tattooed man.

That's so wierd.
I've never been in an accident ever. I've only gotten around 4-5 tickets ever.
I've never been arrested, never hurt anyone due to the fact the I'm toasted. Never hit any animals, (unless i wanted to:eek:) generally never had any problems due to the fact that I like to smoke or two every now and then.
And what's all this talk about getting nugs from a guy at the gas station, or large tattoed angry men come from? A fair number of my good friends smoke, a few of them sell to help get by paying their bills. Most people who don't smoke even don't really care because they know it's not them doing it. If someone wants to chill out and roast one that's their bag (no pun intended).
I guess another big part of this has to do with the location and the community within it. Around here it seems very lax compared to what you others are talking about. Ever hear of a place called Evergreen State College, (Matt Groening went there) huge hippee school. This kind of environment is spread through most of the county.






-Genesis 1:12- "I have given you all the seed bearing plants and herbs to use."

Boss San, the over the counter bit is just a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate one way to get it if it's legal. The large angry tattooed men comment comes from the general gang or gang affiliated population here who most people buy their weed from (if they don't grow it themselves or have friends that do).

Prove the crime one for us??? None? Ok, prove there has never been a stoner committing ANY major crimes.

And no, they didn't use OTHER drugs, but once again conclusions were jumped to.

Change your name, the light may be better changed to shit.

I can't prove there has been no stoner ever commiting crime, I'm sure one has, what I'm saying is you don't see gang wars over pot like you do crack cocaine, how about you calm down? You seem to be the one here most in need of a fat hooter. Lay off my name, I never told you to put gay sex in front of yours, once again, lay off, I'm not personally attacking you, and this is just the internet, you don't need to over react.
I don't recall hearing about stoners gaining strength from pot, or becoming violent, I'll tell you that much. I have however heard of people on coke being shot with almost no effect, and people on PCP have been known to break restraints and become violent. Every drug I can think of you can easily become overly aggressive, including alchohol in some cases, but I can't ever remember having a stoner threaten to beat my ass. Or even get off the fucking couch for that matter. Please, pull yourself together before you post.

Lay off my name, I never told you to put gay sex in front of yours,

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gaysexslave...:lol2:

Igor?


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Guys, there's a good discussion going on here, let's try to keep it civil eh. Ease off on the personal attacks.

Guys, there's a good discussion going on here, let's try to keep it civil eh. Ease off on the personal attacks.

Thank you. That's what I'm wanting.

Thank you. That's what I'm wanting.






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Once again your logic is flawed. How can they make more profit from no taxes? If someone wants to buy a tinny for say $20 from a shop including tax, or $20 bucks from a dealer tax free, what's the difference? The same price, people would still be more motivated to buy from shops. I know I would, rather than knocking on some shady tinny house owned by an angry large tattooed man.


Would you buy a car from the dealer that adds on tax and charges an extra $3k or the same car from a private sale where you pay no tax? Strictly financially speaking, of course.

Its all rather academic anyway; Cannabis is most difficult to procure these days thanks to meth.

I would much rather have people smoke dope than smoke meth, if it came down it it.

Now you're changing the subject :p

If I was going to pay $20 bucks for weed either way, taxed or not, I'd still go for the safer option.

But you're right, P is a far bigger problem.

Legalize weed and protitution, tax the shit out of it, kill the national defecit.

w3rd