16g support mod questions...

I've done some searching and have a few additional questions for my soon to be evo 16g setup. (hopefully) I know I don't have to upgrade the injectors, but I ill probably do it anyway. I'm also going with the walbro 190 to save myself on the FPR and an afc. or do you still think I'll need one? I already have greddy piping for the stock intercooler and a type s. Plus an intake. I haven't gotten around to getting an exhaust yet. and sadly NONE of this stuff is installed yet. the car is still bone stock. and I'm going to have him putting the 16g on as soon as the dealership gets back to him. My major question is this. I've been told and read that the smic will get heat soaked very easily and quickly when running a higher boost level on the 16g. I planned on getting the front mount anyway but now I'm not sure on which one to get. I've heard that the greddy front mounts are shit. and they're expensive as balls. So I was looking into a good spearco. probably the 28x10x3. Does anyone know where I can purchase intercooler piping to work with this intercooler? I've asked around and I can't find anywhere that can mandrel bend me intercooler pipes. does anyone know a shop that I can order it from and have it shipped to my house? also what would you suggest getting on top of the things I have listed?

Also do you think it will hurt anything if I run the car for a little while on the 16g without the fmic and maybe some other things. I would keep it at a very low boost level. probably 8 or 9 psi. all input is appreciated. along with suggested setups and parts. thanks for your help guys. God I"m such a newb with this turbo shit

In eclipseRST's writeup about turboing the rs/gs...
he used PVC pipes, not sure if you can do that also, but would be a cheap alternetive.

mmm yea. haha. I don't think I'll be doing that. I've got the money. I wanna do it right. Also, I'm looking around for prices and whatnot for the turbo. SBR has the Evo3 16g for 569, and the install kit from RRE is 325. thats 895 dollars for a brand new evo setup. I was wondering, do I need an evo manifold or will the stock one work? I'm trying to help out the dealership as much as I can and benefit myself as well. the rebuilt t25 is gonna cost 1200 dollars, so they're already saving a couple hundred bucks. it's 200 for the evo manifold on RRE. Do I need it, and would I be a horrible person for getting it anyway? since it's still gonna bve less that the t25? I'm trying to hook myself up while still being fair to the dealership. let me know what you think.

Bausher racing has the evo 16 for 535(just bought one, i have the greddy 24 rail, and it keeps my intake charge ice cold, i love it. you definetally want to get a down pipe and exhaust and a k&Nfilter charger if not a whole intake. Youll need an AFC if you decide to upgrade the injectors so you can tone them down a bit. THats about it, good luck bro.

I was going to get it from SBR cause I only live about an hour and a half from them. and my mechanic wants to be able to talk to them and ask questions. so we'll see. thanks for the info though. the 24 rail greddy runs like $850 though.. do you anyone who has it for cheaper? also, if I get the 550cc injectors to go with the 190 walbro, do you think the afc will be enough or should I get a fpr too? I'll list out everything I have, and someone tell me what else I need/don't need. Thanks.

evoIII big 16g, RRE full install kit, Greddy 24 rail FMIC or equivelant, greddy uicp with type s bov, K&N FIPK, 550 injectors, and the apex s-afcII. I'm using the greddy profec B and greddy turbo timer. I have atuometer C2 boost, air/fuel and egt guages. I'm going to be getting the rre dp and apex N1 exhaust.

this is going to put a dent in my account like no other and probably take me a month to get and install everything. but will that be everything I need? and does anyone have any suggestions on other things to get? Plus are there any little things I need to watch out or any pointers you can give me on the installs for those parts? Thanks again for all the help guys you're the best!

also, Will I need to upgrade my clutch? I'm thinkin this is going to be a pretty impressive power gain. Is my stock clutch going to slip really bad or will I be ok with it. If it's not bad I'll just use it till it starts to die, then replace it. Thanks

Jon

yet another question... sorry. I was looking at RRE's DP's and highflow cats. if running a DP is illegal, then why bother trying to be legal with the cat? I think I'm going to run apex all the way. I was on DSMparts.com and they have the apex DP for 217. which is about 50 less than the short DP from RRE. It replaces the cat and I"m assuming it will bolt right up with the N1. (seeing how it's apex also) Then for inspections (once a year) I'll throw on the stock exhaust and be able to pass smog no problem. what do you guys think? should I stop being a stingy bastard and spend the extra couple hundred buck and get the stuff from RRE or is the full apex deal better? Thanks for your input.

The 2g install kit is $199 from SBR, which is much better than 325. I think it includes part or all of the LICP, so you should definately call SBR and ask if they can include the LICP for a FMIC instead of the stock SMIC. They might be able to give you a package deal as well, with all IC pipes for any FMIC they carry. I would go with the 2g SBR IC kit for $899, and like I said, talk to them to see how you should arrange buying kit and IC kit, as they include some of the same pipes. You are aware that your greddy UICP won't be needed, right?

You'll want a way to tune for sure, so if the AFC is the way you're going, at one point that will be necessary to getting the car to run well. You'll need a datalogger as well. Thought about DSMlink for $850 (600dsmlink + 250 eprom used) instead of $500 (330 S-AFC2 + 175 pocketlogger)? Only if you'll be upgrading farther, of course.

I wouldn't bother with a new manifold or o2 housing at this point, maybe porting, though.

I don't know if your clutch will slip just under WOT, but for an AWD, the stock clutch slips on hard launches, so it's really not that strong. You might lose traction on a GST before the clutch spins though... you'll be able to drive plenty and decide on that later.

EDIT>> Oh yeah, and some people are running out of fuel with 550's on a 190lph and 16g. The 660's should do better. An untuned evo16g and SBR 650's put down 280whp on a sidemount.

Thanks for the info joe. I'm gonna call SBR on monday and tell them what the deal is. then see if they can ship me the parts, and I'll pay for everything that isn't getting charged to the dealership.

I'll have them throw their install kit in with the turbo when they send it to me. that is goin along with the dealerships costs, since it'll still be cheaper than a rebuilt t25.

I think I'm just gonna stick with the afc. I doubt I'll go further than the evo turbo anyway. I'll probably go with the 660 injectors. I didn't know about the 550's starving. thanks for that heads up. also my friend is gonna port my stock manifold for me. so that saves me 200 bucks right there.

As far as the clutch goes, I'll just stick with the stock one till it gives me problems. I'm not gonna be runnin too many track days anyway. I don't wanna beat the car up too bad. just wanna see what she can do. then I'll replace it when it needs it.

I keep seein people saw "WOT" I've been pretty good at figuring out the acronyms but this one illudes me? what is it exactly?

Lastly, with the fmic, I'm lookin into buying my buddies brand new apex GT front mount. it's brand new, and has all the piping. but when I looked at it, it only looked like it went to the lower piping, and I would need an upper intercooler piping set. cause there was nowhere to mount a BOV. 900 bucks seems like a lot for an intercooler, but I guess it wouldnt be bad if it came with all the necessary piping. I'll look into it and ask the guys at SBR.

also, my buddy was sayin I might still need a FPR with the 190. Or do you think the afc will be enough to keep it under control? thanks again for all the input guys!

WOT- Wide Open Throttle

WOOHOO! I guessed right haha. Thanks ash

No FPR needed with the 190. The SBR 2g core is like $599, and $899 with piping. Subtract the money you'll make by selling your Greddy UICP from that if you sell it also.

Your buddies FMIC is for a DSM right? Make sure its for a 2g so everything fits. Once again, don't know if SBR can make you a UICP for a FMIC they don't carry, so you'll have to ask.

AFC will do well, just remember that pocketlogger. :)

sounds good. I'm gonna call them on monday and see what all they can do for me. I think I'm gonna go with the greddy 24 rail. I checked out the sbr intercooler and somethin about it just doesn't sit right with me. I dunno. I'll see what they have to say. this little project is gonna take about 2 weeks to unfold probably... so I'm gonna make sure I have everything I need waiting for me when my mechanic is donw with the car.. so I can pull it into the garage and get it started. thanks for the help..

Found something else you might be interested in... Just don't tell me you already bought it.:biggrin:

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=16346&cat=0&page=

Also check the prices individualy... They seem cheap also.

SBR sells Evo III 16g's on Ebay. the last one they sold went for $520.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=33742&item=2470059657&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT
(i watch ebay...ALOT)
2g Install kit $179
http://linux.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=FP2GK16G&Category_Code=UNIV-GSFL

let me know if you want anyother Price Bargens.

That would be outstanding if I could get it for cheap off ebay. but, my mechanic refuses to do that. he has a nice big sign in his front window that says "will not install ebay aftermaket parts or anything you bring me with no name brand" He kept installing shitty parts for clueless kids and he was gettin screwed cause it would cause problems and he'd get the rap for it instead of the shitty part. Soooo, he said if he even goes for the 16g idea, he's gonna want to talk to whoever he gets it from. thus being the reason I chose SBR. It's not comming from my pocket so I'm not gonna nickle and dime it. I'm just trying to save them a couple bucks on the rebuilt t25 (1200) and help myself out at the same time. buuuuuutt, if you could find me a sweet ass deal on a greddy 24 rail intercooler and piping.. I'd be greatly appreciative!

OMG... ashah.. if you were here I'd kiss you.. well ok maybe not. But thats def the best price I could have found on that stuff. and no I haven't bought any of it yet haha. Thank you so much bro! let me know if you ever need any body kit installs or fiberglassing haha. I'll hook you up! WOOHOO ASH IS THE MAN!

LOL...
Check Extremepsi for a 16g, I think I saw one there.
ehh, here it is..
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=16296&cat=426&page=1

The install kit is $199 for that.

Greddy-- (ok this one seems expensive :))
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=16432&cat=458&page=1

Call them up and see if they will give you a discount if you buy enough from them, or maybe match the e-bay price. Someplaces match e-bay prices... thats how I ordered my exhaust.

ashah commin through again. I'm liking this extreme psi place. I'll have to search my way around. that doesn't seem too bad actually. the cheapest I found that intercooler for was 835 and that still needed the upper intercooler piping. plus by getting it all at the same place I'm gonna be saving on shipping. so that kinda kicks ass now doesn't it? thanks bro. I'll have to call and see how much it is without the BOV, since I already have one. or if they can't do it without the BOV, I'll have a type s bov and adapter for anyone who would want one. Thanks again ash!

ewww shitty. I just realized they're in pa... that means I'm gonna have to pay 6% tax on all that stuff too. damn. oh well.. I'll see what I can work out.

I was just thinking, I know your mechanic said no ebay or whatever... but what if you buy the greddy FMIC off ebay. Its brand name. Would he care about that?

O and for the sales tax, If you know anyone just outside PA, send it to them and go pick it up... Thats what I do when the company is in MI, I will ship it to my aunt's in OH and go pick it up.

EDIT >> I think there is free shipping on all of that.

Got another idea, if you have to get the turbo from a dealer, and you want to get it cheap, there are a couple of dealers that will give you like 20% (i think) off for mentioning that you a club dsm member or a 2gnt member. Let me know if you need more details on this.

Do you think SBR might be one of those people? I was cruisin around ebay out of boredome and just found that they are selling a greddy 24r fmic for 750. with shipping and tax it's gonna cost me 833 bucks. which is cheaper than I've found it from anyone else. and since I already have the greddy uicp and a type s. it would probably be easier to get it from them. I'll probably order that on monday. Let me know about that 20% thing though man. that would kick ass! Thanks!

OK here it goes...

The first place is Tallahassee Mitsubishi (888) 825-5648, I believe they give you 20% discount. Mention to them that you a Club DSM member.

Second, is Fenton Dodge (810) 714-3300. Not sure the percentage. Call and talk to Bob Kise and tell him your a 2gnt member. Even though you have a gst :evillol: (I dont think they will have the 16g, but its worth asking). Actually, I really dont think they will have one.

haha... ok man. I'll see what I can do. the only problem with the turbo is that my mechanic doesn't want to put a shite turbo on. he's seriously nervous about doin the whole upgraded turbo thing. he keeps askin me "how is a brand new, better turbo cheaper than a rebuilt stock one?... I don't see how that can be possible. are you sure it's legit?" and I continue to tell him it is. He wants to talk to whoever I get it from though cause he doesn't want to be responsible for "ruining" my car. I'm about ready to tell him to piss of and order the turbo I tell him. and just charge the dealership whatever labor is and for whatever else he has to do to it. and I'll pay for everything else. I figure wtf, I'm already payin thousands for all the support mods, I'm doin this swap. I was just hoping to save on the 800 it was gonna cost for the turbo and install kit. but we'll see. it's gonna be a while before this goes down anyway I have a feeling. I'll keep you updated. thanks for the help ash

http://www.greddyturbo.net/product.asp?pid=31061

Not sure if that is the full kit, with the upper pipe or not.

Dude, because the dealership overcharges for EVERYTHING. Why would it be cheap for them to rebuild a turbo they don't even use anymore? They haven't seen any new T25's for 5 years at the dealership.

So of course getting a turbo from a vendor is cheaper than Mitsu, that's like getting prices on spark plugs from both places.

If you want to do your car right, don't go with a shitty Greddy FMIC. Get a spearco, SBR/kinetic, or Victory Performance. The Kinetic you can get at SBR is a nice 24x12x3.5 and is like 850 with all piping.

I was looking into the spearco. SBR said that the greddy was good. where can I get piping for the spearco? and how much will it cost? I'll have to look into the kinetic. I've never heard of them. And about the mechanic... he's an oldhead. and he's really stubborn about modifying cars. I'm gonna look around for a better one. I'll convince him tomorrow. I'm the jedi!

soo are you going to get the Evo III 16g from SBR for $520?

I heard that the Greddy was a fin type, which isn't as good. If the Greddy that SBR sells is bar and plate, and they say it's good- it can't be bad. Kinetic is the kind that Kevin uses, which you can purchase through SBR. If you can find a vendor that sells a Spearco, they will be able to make IC pipes for it. If there is nobody, then you'll have to make custom ones like EclipseRST did.

The greddy IC is not shitty by any means, but there are advantages and disadvantages to both tube & fin and bar and plate. T&F is goint to be lighter and a little less expensive, where B&P will be more expensive and heavier. Also if your planning on running a 16g the greddy will perform just as well as any other IC outthere, its when you start to go really big is when you need to wory about your IC.

It's just that the Greddy isn't any less expensive than a quality SBR FMIC :) Oh and I'm sure the Greddy would do perfect on a small (relatively) turbo like a 16g.

FMIC is one mod that you should only make once. Greddy jsut isnt worth the cost, like Joewagon said, a quality kit that you'll never outgrow goes for the same money.

I talked to my mechanic today about the turbo. he seemed to be cool with the 16g. So I will probably be gettin that. the only thing is he's dragging ass like no other. and it's pissing me off. Oh well. So yea I'll be getting the evoIII 16g from sbr.

About the intercoolers. I'm going to be calling the guys at SBR once I get the car rolling and know for sure that I'm going to have the evo on it. The reason I was looking into getting the greddy is because it comes with piping and it looks clean. although I have lost a TON of my desire for show cars and fallen in love with the turbo. I still have a shitload of aftermarket parts and things that I want to do and the car will be shown. So the kit has to look good while performing well. also, I can't have PVC pipes haha. I'm gonna talk to the guys at sbr and see what they recommend as far as the fmic. I doubt I'll be going any larger than the evo turbo. But who knows. I haven't really had a chance to get addicted. So at the rate I'm going I probably will end up going bigger. So I'll look into the other kits like the kinetic and the SBR one. Thanks for the help guys!