SLP Loudmouth
Squirrel Nuts
03-30-2004, 06:57 PM
I saw a clip of the SLP Loudmouth exhaust system on a v6 bird and also heard a clip of it and now i wanna get rid of my flowmaster and get the slp but cannot find anything to have it adapted to a v6...anyone kno how???
daveshapellSVT
03-31-2004, 10:06 PM
i say ditch the car lol get a V8!
z06transam
04-01-2004, 09:10 AM
dont get slp loud mouth i had it on my t/a and it sounded so raspy and annoying. i have flowmaster now and it sounds a hell of alot better
state69champ
04-01-2004, 01:15 PM
ok dont get flowmaster for your ls1.. get borla. but dont forget the long tubes.
also nuts dude. get a real car.. the 3.4 is one of the shittyest motors ever made.. get the best LS1 and get borla... and im sorry to hear some poser put loud mouth on a V SUX!
also nuts dude. get a real car.. the 3.4 is one of the shittyest motors ever made.. get the best LS1 and get borla... and im sorry to hear some poser put loud mouth on a V SUX!
Squirrel Nuts
04-01-2004, 03:34 PM
Hey state69champ whats ur prob with 3.4 liters they're decent cars...especially since im only a teen and it's my first car. I am an aspiring mechanic and know alot about cars because ive learned from the best. I know pretty much everything about f bodys and enough to kno that ur a complete dumbass. What do you mean SLP Loudmouth and a v engine sux they had it produced for lt1s also u dumbshit and it is the best exhaust you can have for an lt1 which is a V8. Before u wanna shit talk u might wanna learn what ur talkin bout.
state69champ
04-01-2004, 03:41 PM
what a homo... V SUX = V SIX ftupis fuck.. you would think sense your a "aspiring mechanic "... also.. im a teen also.. now if you want the best v six . you get a 3.8 the best v-8 its the LS1..
daveshapellSVT
04-01-2004, 05:02 PM
na kiddy's its the Dohc 4.6:) just playin, the ls1 is a great motor but in my perspective i live the 4.6 better.. For the extra RPM range witch deffinatly helps when your racing to 150 and for the power and one of a kinda mustang sound.. as for the V6 senario i would think the SC 3800 would be the king.. 240hp stock vs. 160 from the 3400.. a 3400 in a 3400lb car blows.. we are talking high 16's in the quarter here.. i know for a fact at least with the 3800 non supercharged the firebirds and camaro rs's were running low 15's in 5 speed trim.. thing too is that base f-body's have shitty rear ends.. no posi traction unless you get it in a sport package.. either way a V6 in a heavy car sucks unless you twin turbo charge it!
DVS LT1
04-01-2004, 05:55 PM
Don't let those "shoulda got a V8!" lines bother you dude. You're driving your car for a reason so do what you will to make her more original.
I agree that having the L36 would have given you a better engine to build on (could cam that sucker up nice) but as already mentioned the V6 F-Body's are so damn heavy its like why bother. I think you got the right idea though looking into a catback system - V6 or not, you're gonna sound a hell of a lot better that those econo-box cars with bee hive mufflers.
What I wanted to say is I saw (actually followed) an F-Body the other day just to ask the guy if he was running a MagnaFlow catback or not. Turns out this '98+ Camaro was a V6 (L36 though) and he had a Flowmaster catback system with flaired 3" tailpipes. I must say for a V6 I was impressed at the sound - it idled nice and after he rev'd it up made a nice crackle. I don't think you can go wrong with a Flowmaster. I know for my car they say the 80 series muffler is proven to make the most HP gains - and it sounds bloody awesome!
I also think the Borla's are too raspy (especially on the LS1's). The MagnaFlow catback for the LT1 is wicked because its cheap, sounds great, and the tubing is big. If I had the coin I would spring for a Corsa catback though. :2cents:
I agree that having the L36 would have given you a better engine to build on (could cam that sucker up nice) but as already mentioned the V6 F-Body's are so damn heavy its like why bother. I think you got the right idea though looking into a catback system - V6 or not, you're gonna sound a hell of a lot better that those econo-box cars with bee hive mufflers.
What I wanted to say is I saw (actually followed) an F-Body the other day just to ask the guy if he was running a MagnaFlow catback or not. Turns out this '98+ Camaro was a V6 (L36 though) and he had a Flowmaster catback system with flaired 3" tailpipes. I must say for a V6 I was impressed at the sound - it idled nice and after he rev'd it up made a nice crackle. I don't think you can go wrong with a Flowmaster. I know for my car they say the 80 series muffler is proven to make the most HP gains - and it sounds bloody awesome!
I also think the Borla's are too raspy (especially on the LS1's). The MagnaFlow catback for the LT1 is wicked because its cheap, sounds great, and the tubing is big. If I had the coin I would spring for a Corsa catback though. :2cents:
daveshapellSVT
04-01-2004, 06:37 PM
i know a kid who owned a v6 camaro, and he had flowmaster exhaust on it and yes it did sound nice.. He also had nitrous in it and the word on the streets around here was that it was kinda quick.. he was keeping up with his friend with a moded GTP so thats 14's easy.. he was sporting the 3400 also so.. If i were you, i'd get long tube headers, pullies, 3:73 gears with posi, throttle body, MAS, a chip, shift kit and run a 100 shot.. if thats not 12's i dunno what is.. i just hate the fags that act like there base camaro is super fast with just a muffler.. Don't be that guy lol... I also know of a kid around here who started off with a base firebird and converted it into a trans am.. LT1 engine swap and all the appearance changes as well.. Just weigh it out.. would it be cheaper to just swap the engine or build the one you have.. i kinda feel bad for guys that start off with less and build it up and its still not as good as if they would had just bought the good stuff in the beginging.. Like this SHO i raced last weekend.. SHO's aren't that fast stock.. He slapped a supercharger on it and ran 6 psi along with other stuff.. he had 325 whp when he had it dyno'd and he was barley keeping up with me in a highway race.. off the line i beat him by a car length and a half.. So he did all that and it barely keeps up with my near stock Cobra.. All a matter of opinion i supose.. it's always nice to see the under dog win. thats for sure..
violator6090
04-02-2004, 01:28 AM
Magnaflow is great exhuast for cheap...but people dont know about ravin's. I have a ravin z55 exhuast system on my 98 TA and it roars much louder than flowmasters and slp loudmouth. there is also a z33 series that guarantees 30% of flowmasters
violator6090
04-02-2004, 01:30 AM
check it out if u want a great soundin exhaust for a pretty good price
http://www.ravin.us/
http://www.ravin.us/
DarkblueTA
04-02-2004, 08:40 AM
I wouldn't mod the v6. If I were you, I'd find an LT1 or LS1 car and mod. I don't care for the SLP loudmouth. I personally think it sounds like ass. Flowmasters on the LS1 cars have show on the dyno to loose a few hp over the stock muffler. :confused:
I can tell you that Long Tubes, O/R ypipe and a bullet muffler from Dynomax sound great on my Ellis Juan(LS1). :iceslolan
Good luck in your decision though.
Hey Dave(Cobra guy)....I'll race you to 150 in my dinosaur engine that 'only' revs to 6Krpms. Just messin' with ya :)
I can tell you that Long Tubes, O/R ypipe and a bullet muffler from Dynomax sound great on my Ellis Juan(LS1). :iceslolan
Good luck in your decision though.
Hey Dave(Cobra guy)....I'll race you to 150 in my dinosaur engine that 'only' revs to 6Krpms. Just messin' with ya :)
daveshapellSVT
04-03-2004, 08:22 PM
less horsepower from the flowmaster makes no sence.. how could bigger tubing and a free flowing muffler restrict horsepower.. you just heard that from someone who doesn't like flowmaster thats all.. show some dyno slips...
z06transam
04-05-2004, 03:41 PM
first of all slp loudmouth does suck. and secondly i have flowmaster on my blown t/a and you are full of shit if you think that it is more restrictive than the stockmuffler. have you ever looked inside the stock muffler or torn it appart? there is so much bull shit in there its not funny. and i have torn appart a flowmaster and looked at it and they are not even close to compare. flowmaster does not lose more hp than stock thats just stupid to even say.
violator6090
04-05-2004, 04:04 PM
Ravin's exhuast made my 98 TA sound like it has 500 horsepower...they are sick i love it and no 1 knows about them
daveshapellSVT
04-05-2004, 04:56 PM
from my experience with catbacks.. Flowmaster gives the deep aggressive sound that honestly no other cat back gives.. resinator mufflers systems are very raspy and sound like trumpets.. i know cause my cousin has the slp loud mouth on his 02 firehawk.. yes his is louder cause he also has a y pipe and headers, but its sounds retarded.. it sounds like a v6 running open heads or a harley.. sounds very different from a nasty V8.. Personally i hate magnaflow cause theres systems were created by a 10yr old and never fit right.. Bassani is my first choice, but i rather be able to make my car payments so they don't repo it.. its way too much money for just a little more quality.. its like going with a spoon header on a civic opposed to like DC sports.. the spoon gives like 1hp over the dc and it cost 1,200k.. i'm happy with the sound of my flowmaster cat back.. and along with the underdrive pullies i got along with it it really feels stronger.. for future purposes please back up statements with facts such as dyno charts..
Squirrel Nuts
04-05-2004, 07:24 PM
I have a couple things to say, first of all im glad to start so many arguements haha:smokin: second of all Flowmaster adds hp and torque, which is why ive decided to go with it, especially since i found out going with a large open 3inch pipe on a v6 would cut the torque away. On top of all that I found out when the 3.4liter orginally died in 99 it was replaced with a 3.8 :grinno: and RAVIN EXHAUST...sweetie please:nono: never again do i wanna hear that mentioned u piece of shit.
violator6090
04-05-2004, 08:00 PM
ravin is better than flowmasters...sorry ive heard both on same car its louder deeper and sounds better
daveshapellSVT
04-05-2004, 08:41 PM
link me to some sound clips... i've never heard of raven exhaust.. flowmaster is the king of cat backs.. i rub my balls with raven exhaust..
DVS LT1
04-05-2004, 10:32 PM
Which flowmaster did you hear on what car? If this Ravin exhaust is all its hyped up to be we'll all see them around and giving Flowmaster a run for their money. Yes, please do give us a sound clip...
- and dyno results.
Like I said before, the Flowmaster 80 series muffler is basically a swap with the stock muffler and is designed to give the most increase in HP for a 2.5" inlet, dual 2.5" outlet exhuast. (they also make one with a 3" inlet too, dual 2.5" outlets).
I've got the 2.5" in and dual 2.5" out with pipes that actually constrict believe it or not to 2 1/4" to fit the stock rectangular tips (I've got Edelbrock shorties up front). I know I'm losing some horse with the stock tips but the sound is out of this world! The whole bloody muffler & pipes shake like crazy at idle. Although one day I'd like to replace the entire exhaust with ideally a set of Finish Line Performance LT's and a Corsa catback, I think I'd hate myself for giving up the awesome sound she makes now.
I know what you mean Violator when you say it sounds like you're pushing 500+ HP! (I'd like to think I'm not far behind that! :grinno: I hope to be close to that at the flywheel this summer!! :iceslolan )
- and dyno results.
Like I said before, the Flowmaster 80 series muffler is basically a swap with the stock muffler and is designed to give the most increase in HP for a 2.5" inlet, dual 2.5" outlet exhuast. (they also make one with a 3" inlet too, dual 2.5" outlets).
I've got the 2.5" in and dual 2.5" out with pipes that actually constrict believe it or not to 2 1/4" to fit the stock rectangular tips (I've got Edelbrock shorties up front). I know I'm losing some horse with the stock tips but the sound is out of this world! The whole bloody muffler & pipes shake like crazy at idle. Although one day I'd like to replace the entire exhaust with ideally a set of Finish Line Performance LT's and a Corsa catback, I think I'd hate myself for giving up the awesome sound she makes now.
I know what you mean Violator when you say it sounds like you're pushing 500+ HP! (I'd like to think I'm not far behind that! :grinno: I hope to be close to that at the flywheel this summer!! :iceslolan )
daveshapellSVT
04-05-2004, 11:11 PM
still rubbing:)
violator6090
04-05-2004, 11:11 PM
thats awesome man im young i need to save up the money to be in those ranges some day...check out the website they dont have that great of sound clips. they do have some kind of charts comparin to flowmasters. But ive heard the both because i have Ravin on my 98 TA and my friend has flowmasters on his 2000 TA and mine is noticably louder when i rev it up in idle they are close to the same if not a bit louder in flowmaster but when i kick it man it roars much louder.
http://www.goravin.com/
http://www.goravin.com/
daveshapellSVT
04-05-2004, 11:13 PM
eh, that 5.0 sounds like shit.. it's not as deep as a flowmaster system and all it does is crackle when you back off.. sounds cheap.. now i'm wiping my ass with raven exhaust:)
violator6090
04-06-2004, 12:21 AM
first off its Ravin dumbass...and you haven't heard it on a TA nor in real life and not a .wav file
DarkblueTA
04-06-2004, 04:22 PM
less horsepower from the flowmaster makes no sence.. how could bigger tubing and a free flowing muffler restrict horsepower.. you just heard that from someone who doesn't like flowmaster thats all.. show some dyno slips...
I know. I have seen it on 3 different cars from their previous dynos. Only difference was the flowmaster cat back added on. All the cars were dyno'd and the correction factor was used so its not the dynos.
I know. I have seen it on 3 different cars from their previous dynos. Only difference was the flowmaster cat back added on. All the cars were dyno'd and the correction factor was used so its not the dynos.
DarkblueTA
04-06-2004, 04:24 PM
first of all slp loudmouth does suck. and secondly i have flowmaster on my blown t/a and you are full of shit if you think that it is more restrictive than the stockmuffler. have you ever looked inside the stock muffler or torn it appart? there is so much bull shit in there its not funny. and i have torn appart a flowmaster and looked at it and they are not even close to compare. flowmaster does not lose more hp than stock thats just stupid to even say.
Really? what mods do you have on your car? who did your programming and using what program? what injectors are you using? whats the injector pulse rate? What blower do you have? pulley sizes/how fast are you spinning the blower? etc.
Really? what mods do you have on your car? who did your programming and using what program? what injectors are you using? whats the injector pulse rate? What blower do you have? pulley sizes/how fast are you spinning the blower? etc.
z06transam
04-07-2004, 07:30 AM
I Have G2 Off Road Y Pipe, Flowmaster Cat Back, Vortech Aftercooled Supercharger Running 7 Lbs Boost, I Think They Are 48 Lb Injectors, Livernois Motorsports In Detroit Tunned It And I Think They Made The Injectors Read More And Put More Fuel Through, Thats Why Im Not Sure What Kind Theay Are Now, Ported M.a.f.s.,n.o.s.,and Waiting On My Long Tube Headers. And As For Other Mods I Dont Have Enough Time To List Them Right Now.
BlkCamaroSS
04-07-2004, 11:15 AM
Pics???
Oh, and the 3.4 was replaced in mid 95 in the F-body. It did not manage to get all the way to 99 on the F-body platform...
Oh, and the 3.4 was replaced in mid 95 in the F-body. It did not manage to get all the way to 99 on the F-body platform...
daveshapellSVT
04-07-2004, 05:49 PM
post those dyno results for the flowmasters.. oh, and i can tell the difference from a wave file.. go to mustangexhaust.com and compare for yourself dog.. ravin=cheap poopie
violator6090
04-07-2004, 06:29 PM
they dont have z33 series wavs on the website and they got charts on their website besdies they arent cheap its like 550$ for the 33 series
daveshapellSVT
04-07-2004, 10:35 PM
nothing worse than over priced cheap shit lol
Squirrel Nuts
04-08-2004, 07:25 AM
they dont have z33 series wavs on the website and they got charts on their website besdies they arent cheap its like 550$ for the 33 series
http://www.exhaustsoundclips.com/sound/chevy_camaro_1982_350v8_ravincrossflowmuffler_3ini ndual25out1.html
http://www.exhaustsoundclips.com/sound/2002_chevy_camaro_3.8_v6_stock_cat_ravin_z55_muffe r_2.25in.html
Hey dipshit I hear it, I hate it. These ravin systems have been proven to outperform flowmaster 40series not 80 series, which is what most are using. Plus why pay 550 when you can pay 85 for the flowmaster 80 series muffler and replace your cat with high flow one for another 100. so pay 550 for shitty sounding and perfoming exhaust or 180 for awesome sounding and performing, hmmmm.......jackasss:lol2:
http://www.exhaustsoundclips.com/sound/chevy_camaro_1982_350v8_ravincrossflowmuffler_3ini ndual25out1.html
http://www.exhaustsoundclips.com/sound/2002_chevy_camaro_3.8_v6_stock_cat_ravin_z55_muffe r_2.25in.html
Hey dipshit I hear it, I hate it. These ravin systems have been proven to outperform flowmaster 40series not 80 series, which is what most are using. Plus why pay 550 when you can pay 85 for the flowmaster 80 series muffler and replace your cat with high flow one for another 100. so pay 550 for shitty sounding and perfoming exhaust or 180 for awesome sounding and performing, hmmmm.......jackasss:lol2:
violator6090
04-08-2004, 12:50 PM
i agree those sound like shit...if you heard mine you'd think otherwise
violator6090
04-08-2004, 01:00 PM
and i just listened to flowmasters 80 series, they sound nice, but weak
DarkblueTA
04-08-2004, 03:51 PM
I Have G2 Off Road Y Pipe, Flowmaster Cat Back, Vortech Aftercooled Supercharger Running 7 Lbs Boost, I Think They Are 48 Lb Injectors, Livernois Motorsports In Detroit Tunned It And I Think They Made The Injectors Read More And Put More Fuel Through, Thats Why Im Not Sure What Kind Theay Are Now, Ported M.a.f.s.,n.o.s.,and Waiting On My Long Tube Headers. And As For Other Mods I Dont Have Enough Time To List Them Right Now.
damn, 48# injectors for that? do you have heads and a cam also? Otherwise, 36-38# injectors would have been plenty. I see why people use injectors that are to big for their application. Nothing wrong with that if they're going to add on. I just don't see the point of it since the programmer has to scale back the bottom of the fuel curve even more on a to big injector vs resonable sized injector.
The MAF sensor reads how much air is coming in and the computer adjusts the time that the injectors stay open for the correct amount of fuel. Of course the programmer can change that :biggrin: If they programmed your car, they used either LS1 Edit or HP Tuners version of LS1&Autotap(which I think I might pick up soon).
Setup sounds good. What kind of power did you put down? What kind of LTs are you getting? Why are you adding Nitrous to your car? how much Nitrous are you thinking about? Obviously a wet shot from the sound of it.
Good Luck on the car.
damn, 48# injectors for that? do you have heads and a cam also? Otherwise, 36-38# injectors would have been plenty. I see why people use injectors that are to big for their application. Nothing wrong with that if they're going to add on. I just don't see the point of it since the programmer has to scale back the bottom of the fuel curve even more on a to big injector vs resonable sized injector.
The MAF sensor reads how much air is coming in and the computer adjusts the time that the injectors stay open for the correct amount of fuel. Of course the programmer can change that :biggrin: If they programmed your car, they used either LS1 Edit or HP Tuners version of LS1&Autotap(which I think I might pick up soon).
Setup sounds good. What kind of power did you put down? What kind of LTs are you getting? Why are you adding Nitrous to your car? how much Nitrous are you thinking about? Obviously a wet shot from the sound of it.
Good Luck on the car.
DarkblueTA
04-08-2004, 03:58 PM
post those dyno results for the flowmasters..
Like I have their dyno sheets with me. (Heck, I don't even carry mine around with me....that's just lame) :grinno:
2 live in San Antonio and one lives in Delaware. 2 of the cars at the time had catback and lids. 1 had that plus UDP. They lost 3-5rwhp on the dyno that they used on their previous pull.
The flowmasters that lost power were the 1 in 2 out. Jason, my friend with a 94z with 1 in/1 out, flow gained some power....still. Everyone knows that on an Fbody, Flowmaster is one of the worst flowing systems out there.
Like I have their dyno sheets with me. (Heck, I don't even carry mine around with me....that's just lame) :grinno:
2 live in San Antonio and one lives in Delaware. 2 of the cars at the time had catback and lids. 1 had that plus UDP. They lost 3-5rwhp on the dyno that they used on their previous pull.
The flowmasters that lost power were the 1 in 2 out. Jason, my friend with a 94z with 1 in/1 out, flow gained some power....still. Everyone knows that on an Fbody, Flowmaster is one of the worst flowing systems out there.
violator6090
04-08-2004, 04:09 PM
thank you darkblue....
DarkblueTA
04-08-2004, 11:38 PM
[QUOTE=Squirrel Nuts]http://www.exhaustsoundclips.com/sound/chevy_camaro_1982_350v8_ravincrossflowmuffler_3ini ndual25out1.html
http://www.exhaustsoundclips.com/sound/2002_chevy_camaro_3.8_v6_stock_cat_ravin_z55_muffe r_2.25in.html
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The v6 sounds like well...its very bad(I still have to come across an exhaust for a v6(non turbo'd) car that I like. The 82 350(did they make any power back then :confused: ) didn't sound to bad. I wonder what they sound like on LTee Juan or Ellis Juan.
I like how my dynomax sounds...but a lot of guys go with Corsa, hooker, brola, flowmaster and dynomax. People say my exhaust sounds good...even if it is a little loud :biggrin:
http://www.exhaustsoundclips.com/sound/2002_chevy_camaro_3.8_v6_stock_cat_ravin_z55_muffe r_2.25in.html
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The v6 sounds like well...its very bad(I still have to come across an exhaust for a v6(non turbo'd) car that I like. The 82 350(did they make any power back then :confused: ) didn't sound to bad. I wonder what they sound like on LTee Juan or Ellis Juan.
I like how my dynomax sounds...but a lot of guys go with Corsa, hooker, brola, flowmaster and dynomax. People say my exhaust sounds good...even if it is a little loud :biggrin:
fat tom
04-10-2004, 11:51 PM
My bro has a 95 3.8L, he recently (past 2days) bought a catco cat, borla rear section, rk sport headers, and moroso air induction...that will be his airflow for now..should add about 54hp and shave 1.4 off his et's so for 1200bucks id say its noooottt baaaadd.
DarkblueTA
04-11-2004, 05:26 PM
My bro has a 95 3.8L, he recently (past 2days) bought a catco cat, borla rear section, rk sport headers, and moroso air induction...that will be his airflow for now..should add about 54hp and shave 1.4 off his et's so for 1200bucks id say its noooottt baaaadd.
No one is going to get 54hp out of headers/exhaust. I have a blower on the car making 430rwhp(on the old pullies(4.2" crank/3.2"blower) and I only gained 30rwhp with LT headers/ORY and a very free flowing catback.
Your brother might gain 15hp out of the deal, which will be a nice kick in the pants, but not 54hp. :rofl: newbies :lol2:
:grinno:
No one is going to get 54hp out of headers/exhaust. I have a blower on the car making 430rwhp(on the old pullies(4.2" crank/3.2"blower) and I only gained 30rwhp with LT headers/ORY and a very free flowing catback.
Your brother might gain 15hp out of the deal, which will be a nice kick in the pants, but not 54hp. :rofl: newbies :lol2:
:grinno:
violator6090
04-11-2004, 05:40 PM
Agreed, everyone tends to over rate how much power they will get from headers/cats/exhaust. Sure they help alot are great to have and make your car sound(most noticably) alot better. But as for performance there isnt too much gain i would say a lil more than 15 but nothing more than 30 hp gain
fat tom
04-12-2004, 06:58 AM
i agreee 54 was too hefty of a number i meant to type 45 which according to you is still tooo hefty, but i mean 10hp for the cat, 10 for the headers, 10 for the rear exhaust, 15 for the intake. i'm talking hp at the crank.
DarkblueTA
04-12-2004, 05:30 PM
i agreee 54 was too hefty of a number i meant to type 45 which according to you is still tooo hefty, but i mean 10hp for the cat, 10 for the headers, 10 for the rear exhaust, 15 for the intake. i'm talking hp at the crank.
You might get those numbers if you're about 200ft below sea level and its 20 degrees outside. :lol2:
You might get those numbers if you're about 200ft below sea level and its 20 degrees outside. :lol2:
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