The Next GT-R: From Concept to Production
VQuick
03-29-2004, 08:32 PM
I saw a thread over at the Freshalloy forums, and thought maybe Automotive Forums could benefit from its contents. Credit goes to GTRAccountant, who started the original thread at Freshalloy. The Freshalloy thread is over six months old, so don't be surprised if some links are dead. If enough people find it useful, maybe this thread could get stickied.
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Nissan will continue building the GT-R in the 21st Century, providing the ultimate driving pleasure to even more people worldwide. In its next generation Nissan is looking to introducing the GT-R in other markets worldwide.
In pursuit of ultimate driving pleasure
Successive generations of the GT-R have consistently pursued the ultimate in driving pleasure. Over the years, the GT-R has continued to be a supreme-performance road-going car that delivers superb driving pleasure by responding faithfully to the driver's demands. Just sitting in the driver's seat of the GT-R produces a feeling of excitement that envelops the entire body.
Achieving the ultimate in driving pleasure means that the car must perform exactly as the driver expects. Meeting this expectation requires a faithful response to the driving actions executed by the driver, and the car must convey accurate information to the driver. In other words, the driver has to be able to judge the vehicle's state accurately and instantaneously. Then, through the car's consistently response to the accelerator pedal, steering wheel and brake pedal, the driver enjoys the pleasure of controlling the car at will. There is feeling of solid trust and oneness that forms between the driver and the car in this process, confidently bringing out both the driver's skill and the car's maximum potential.
Consistently providing the best specifications available in every era
If drivers are to enjoy the ultimate in driving pleasure, the car's potential must be raised to the utmost limits. Successive generations of the GT-R have truly incorporated superior specifications even among vehicles in this segment. With its unrivaled power, the engine has delivered outstanding acceleration and top speed combined with a driving sensation. A superior braking system has provided powerful braking performance, and an outstanding suspension has enabled the GT-R to corner with remarkable quickness.
The GT-R has been the showcase for the highest levels of acceleration, cornering and stopping capabilities. The delicate balance between the powerful engine and responsive suspension has been pushed as each system surpassed last generation technology.
As a result of that never-ending process, the GT-R has continued to embody the most advanced technologies available in every era.
Expanding the tradition globally in the 21st-Century
Successive generations of the GT-R have already established an unshakable position in Japan as a result of incorporating the highest levels of technology available in pursuit of ultimate driving pleasure. That superior performance transcended the oceans to make the GT-R the focus of envious looks the world over. Nissan is developing a new generation of GT-R for the 21st Century with the aim of placing it in the spotlight of the global stage, beyond the borders of the Japanese market.
The GT-R displayed at the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show is a concept vehicle which delivers "Ultimate Driving Pleasure" with the best in world-class
Of course, here's a picture of the all-too familiar concept.
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Best Car & Holiday Auto) think that the engine used in the next GTR will be the VQ33DETT.
The new 3.3L alloy block V6 will use the stroke length from the VQ35 and the bore from the VQ30. It will use twin electronically assisted turbochargers, which is a first! Apparently two small electric motors will be attached to the turbine shaft spinning it at lower revs when no positive boost is being made thus eliminating turbo lag. Furthermore variable valve timing and variable valve lift will be used in order to achieve the 400ps that is predicted.
The M-spec will get a 6 speed CVT transmission while the V-spec a 6 speed MT. Active suspension will be used, along with 4 pot Brembos all round and huge 19" wheels.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=32040
It's set to be Japan's fastest and most advanced supercar - but look under the skin and it's Britain's brains which will power Nissan's new GT-R!
most advanced car in the world. But it's not only Nissan engineers who can claim the credit - our sources say British legend Cosworth has been called in to help tweak the engine, while Lotus is involved in fine-tuning the suspension.
The 'International Specification' GT-R, which will be sold throughout the world for the first time, is set to get a version of the 3.5-litre V6 engine used in the 350Z coupé, but will have electrically assisted twin turbochargers to boost power without sapping too much energy. Cosworth's expertise will be used to make sure the V6's block, head, pistons and crank are all strong enough.
Nissan knows it has to do something really special with the next GT-R, partly because the 350Z performs so well, but also as it's the first globally oriented version of the car, and expectations are high among the 'Playstation generation' of buyers who are familiar with the model from video games consoles.
The company has asked for around 400bhp and 490Nm of torque, but more realistic figures given emissions regulations are 350bhp and 450Nm. To reach production, the car must meet strict Euro4 exhaust regulations. The V6 will be mated to a six-speed Getrag gearbox, with a CVT due a year after launch in early 2005. The auto is undergoing final development, but apparent slippage trouble due to the excessive power has been plaguing prototypes. Insiders have confirmed the GT-R will incorporate an updated version of Nissan's Atessa 4WD system with an active limited slip differential. This new arrangement means torque is distributed between the front and rear wheels not only in response to traction loss, but also as a result of changes in the engine's output.
The FM platform used in the new range of Skyline and Infiniti G35 coupés in Japan and the US is basically good enough, but needs some fine-tuning to handle the extra power - and that's where Lotus comes in. A new hydraulic active suspension system, co-developed with Lotus, will feature. The Norfolk firm's expertise in this area will ensure the car handles like no other GT-R before, and can satisfy the soft-riding expectations of American buyers with the traction and high-speed handling required by the British and German markets.
Its brakes promise to be special, too, with larger Brembo discs controlled by a newly revised brake-by-wire unit which promises to give the sporty feel and feedback enthusiastic drivers demand.
But while the dynamics are groundbreaking, many fans will be disappointed by the looks. Although the car is clearly linked to the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show concept, some of the more aggressive touches have been watered down in favour of a more mainstream appearance. The final production version will debut at next October's Tokyo event
Infiniti has scrapped plans to reveal their latest project in the 2003 New York Auto Show, which procedes the Detroit Auto Show. Rumors are that this project is some variant ot the controversially styled Nissan GT-R concept that wowed the crowed at the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show.
This car is said to be carrying a Twin Turbo V-6 simillar to the type found in their latest sports car, the 350z. A respected British Magazine also reports that this super GT will be cotuned by Coswort and Lotus. With AWD this car should easily pose a threat to the popular Porsche 911 turbo. A toned down version with Z-car grill treatment and overall front and G35 coupe lines is due to debut at the 2003 Tokyo Motor Show.
Knowing the prowress of this car in the domestic Japanese market, GM and Ford are scrambling to counteract its potentially devastating effects. GM is rumored to reveal the faster more powerful 2005 Corvette in next years NAIAS and Ford has sped up plans to to release their GT super car. When asked in the 2002 Detroit Auto Show what he thought about this new Infiniti, GM CEO; Bob Lutz had this to say: "Its a heck of a hot rod, that we are just going to have to beat"
Rumors are that this car will be called the Infiniti X35 GT-R, but that seems to be pure speculation as of right now.
-Ed
In the Feburary issue of CAR Magazine, "Mr. GTR" Hiroshi Tamura revealed the following information when discussing the GTR project.
"Porsche 993 to 996 was a big step. Ferrari 355 to 360 was a big step. We must make an even bigger leap than that for the next-generation GT-R. What we are saying to customers is, be patient, trust us, we will make it for you".
'Godzilla' set to roar again
By Cameron McGavin
The Age
Thursday February 6 2003
Nissan's revival gathers more speed, reports Cameron McGavin.
NISSAN will go head to head in a power war with the world's top sports-car manufacturers when its new GT-R sports coupe makes its debut this year -- and it could be heading to Australia.
Speaking at the Australian launch of the 350Z sports car this week, Nissan chief product specialist John Yukawa said the upcoming GT-R would break through the unofficial 206kW power limit, which Japanese manufacturers have adhered to for decades to appease their government.
And it won't be by a nose, either. Yukawa's benchmark for the new GT-R is Porsche's 911 Turbo, which pumps out 309kW and is regarded by many as the best sports car in the world. Expect to see a power figure of about 300kW when the GT-R is revealed at the Tokyo motor show this year.
"The GT-R will exceed 206kW (the Japanese limit)," said Yukawa. "The Porsche 911 Turbo has about 400hp -- we're aiming for that. Porsche is my ambition."
Japanese car makers have long been suspected of exceeding the self-imposed power limit and then simply quoting 206kW (or 280hp) to keep officials happy. Now that the decision has been made to abandon the agreement, Japanese performance-car makers can get serious about challenging their European counterparts.
The new GT-R is expected to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V6 engine.
The rest of the GT-R package is a secret, though there have been clues. The styling is likely to show influences from the rakish GT-R concept car shown at the 2001 Tokyo motor show. Meanwhile, four-wheel-drive -- a signature of the model -- is a certainty.
Price is another unknown, although suggestions are that it will not be cheap, stretching beyond $150,000.
Previous GT-Rs have been built purely for the Japanese market, although 100 of the original -- and, some would say, the best -- R32 model were sold through Nissan dealerships between 1991 and 1993.
The new car, however, is designed with foreign markets in mind as Nissan continues its much-publicised revival under the guidance of leader Carlos Ghosn.
Leon Daphne, managing director and chief executive of Nissan Australia, said the new GT-R was on his wish list, though he stressed that any decision would come from Japan.
"When it's available in right-hand-drive, we'd like to take it," he said. "But it would be in very limited numbers."
The GT-R name has a glorious history in Australia, despite no presence in almost a decade.
The legendary R32 GT-R earned the nickname "Godzilla" for its performances in Australian touring car racing; it was ultimately ruled out of the competition through fear of upsetting car makers Ford and Holden.
Road-going models, many of which have been privately imported over the years, won similar favour for their explosive performance and excellent handling.
Sitting below the GT-R in Nissan's planned three-tiered sports-car line-up is the 350Z, which went on sale this week for less than $60,000.
Ironically, the arrival of Nissan's new Z-car comes just as its sweet-driving 200SX sports coupe sibling bows out of the Australian market because of problems meeting future emission regulations.
But fans of affordable sports cars need not fret, because a replacement is already under development.
Nissan's John Yukawa confirmed that a new 200SX was on the way and that it would stay true to the philosophy of its predecessor. Don't be surprised, then, if the 200SX replacement is another compact, rear-drive, turbocharged coupe.
"The 200SX is an entry car for the young guy, the Z-car is a car for the macho guy and the GT-R is a car for the enthusiast," said Yukawa. "Nissan is always seeking to provide fun-to-drive cars for the customers, especially for enthusiasts. This is the Nissan way."
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Infiniti will begin offering an all-wheel-drive version of its hot-selling G35 sedan, fitted with Nissan's ATTESA E-TS (electronic torque split) system, in early December. Now comes word that an upcoming G35 platform mate, the Skyline GT-R, will get not only ATTESA E-TS but also a twin-turbo V-6 tuned by Cosworth. Producing in the neighborhood of 480 horsepower, the new V-6 features twin-turbo motor assist, a technology employed during off-boost periods—say, when idling—that temporarily turns the GT-R into a naturally aspirated car. Here's how it works: When off boost, magnetic valves open to form a bypass that redirects exhaust gas around the turbos and directly into the precatalysts; when on boost, the valves close and channel exhaust gas into the turbos. The net effect is a car reportedly capable of meeting strict emissions regulations around the world. Don't expect to see the GT-R, likely labeled an Infiniti when it comes to America, till 2005 or 2006.
There is someone who lives in Norfolk — identity unknown — who spends his days lurking in bushes near the Lotus HQ, taking photographs of cars. Not just any old cars, but pre-production models shrouded in secrecy and previously unseen by the outside world. Then he goes home, downloads the digital images, picks up the phone and calls the editor of one of the car magazines. A fee is agreed and a deal is done, and this is how he makes his living.
Known in the industry as “scoop photographers”, people such as this are the motoring world’s version of the paparazzi, constantly on the hunt for new car designs still in the development and testing phase. Depending on the quality of the shot and on the amount of interest in the car, they can get paid between £90 and £1,000 per photograph.
Two months ago the unknown Norfolk photographer caused something of a stir in the motoring world when he captured images of the new Nissan Skyline and sold them to Autocar magazine. Not only was this the first ever sighting of the new car, it also exposed the fact that much of Lotus’s work is for other, much larger manufacturers who’d rather the world didn’t know they need help.
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Read the rest of this article here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,588-840530,00.html
Note: The GT-R mule pictured has cooling vents for a turbocharged powerplant, as well as a large wing, possibly to simulate the GT-R's more advanced aerodynamics.
Power: 480ps (352kw!) @ 7200rpm
Torque: 58kg/m @ 4800rpm
The GT-R concept has been finalized. The new car will target the 911 Turbo as its primary competitor. The new GT-R will feature a VQ32DETT Twin-Turbo V6 engine. Estimated output will be over 480ps and over 420 lb/ft of torque .
In addition, it will also feature the improve active AWD system. The engine will be developed by a joint venture of Nissan and Cosworth. The new turbo system will feature a electronic Anti-Lag-system. Which means the turbine will be driven by an electic-powered motor when the thottle is lifted. The new chassis will be a brand new one (code: FR-L), which is composed of steel and Aluminum alloy. Suspension will be taken from the current Skyline (G35) with certain improvements made.
Estimated to be in the market in spring 2005, with a price tag of over $80K.
GT-R Engine: VQ32DETT V6 Twin-Turbo, featuring colaboration with Cosworth Technology for ;
. Direct in-cylinder petrol injection technology
. Variable valvetrain technology
. Displacement on demand technology
. Aluminium cast engine block
Garrett are said to have helped design the turbine anti-lag system using electronic assistance
. Turbine anti-lag system
Direct injection of fuel at high pressure into each cylinder gives the maximum control of engine performance with the elimination of bulky intake manifolds and their assorted fixtures. These systems require precise sensors and control by an electronic computer which in turn leads to large improvements in engine performance.
The new engine's expected to use Cosworth designs for high-pressure direct injection system, variable valvetrain technology and could even feature the revolutionary ‘displacement on demand’ to meet strict emissions regulations.
Aluminium castings for the engine will be produced at the Cosworth foundry (in Worcester), to be shipped out to the facility.
Customers use Cosworth Technology’s foundry service because it owns a process that promises a very high level of dimensional accuracy. The use of Zircon sand brings with it linear and low thermal expansion properties superior to those of conventional Silica. It also has the benefit of a similar bulk density to that of aluminium, limiting core buoyancy problems. "We can therefore eliminate the need for core supports, but it also means that we can use less glue in our sand packs, reducing the potential for gas-porosity," explains Struthers.
Cores aside, the real key to the quality of the castings is the delivery of the molten material. Oxide nucleaic porosity is endemic to gravity casting and not uncommon in other low pressure techniques. The Cosworth process, (which Cosworth Technology licenses to other manufacturers) employs a melting methodology (the primary component of which are enormous, constant volumes of molten metal undergoing long residency in the vat) that ensures aluminium is drawn from a very clean zone in the middle of the melt.
While not cheap, the process is considered the most cost-effective method to create the superior product required by some vehicle programmes. "A lot of the applications that we get involved with are on the edge of what the material can give, but using this process we can give the designers what they have designed," concludes Struthers.
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How the antilag system should theoretically work.
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Illustrates the differences between the rumored VQ32DETT's dry sump oiling system versus the VQ25DET's normal system.
No GTR for Tokyo
Despite intense speculation in Japanese automotive publications, Nissan says it has no plans to introduce the next-generation GTR coupe at this month’s Tokyo Motor Show. Nissan displayed a concept version of the GTR at the 2001 Tokyo show and the 2002 Geneva show, but isn’t ready to premier a production car to replace the R34 GTR. Nissan ceased production of the R34 GTR in August 2002 because the car’s engine was unable to meet increasingly strict emissions standards in Japan.
source: Auto week > Click here for the article. (http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=04034466)
Dow Jones Business News
Nissan Motor To Launch New GTR Sports Model Globally 2007
Wednesday October 22, 12:31 am ET
TOKYO -(Dow Jones)- Nissan Motor Co. will market from 2007 a new model of its flagship sports auto, the "GTR," as "a global car," president Carlos Ghosn said Wednesday at a round-table meeting with the media.
It will be the first time for Nissan to market the model globally. Ghosn said the company will launch the model in markets including the U.S., Europe and Japan.
The new GTR is expected to be the successor to the Skyline GTR model, which was launched in January 1998 and available only in Japan. Nissan stopped marketing that model in August 2002.
Ghosn declined to provide any sales targets for the new model.
-By Yoshio Takahashi, Dow Jones Newswires; 813-5255-2929; [email protected]
-Edited by Bennett Richardson and Kirsty Mackenzie
Carlos Ghosn
President and CEO
Another Nissan legend will be shown here in 2007 – the GT-R. Development of the new GT-R is on schedule, and it is being engineered to claim its place among the world’s elite sports cars. More details will come closer to its launch. Click here for the rest of the article. (http://press.nissan-global.com/TOKYO_MOTOR_SHOW_2003/EN/PRESS_BRIEFING/doc_tms.html)
Nissan Skyline GT-R coming to U.S., but not until ’07
By MARK VAUGHN
NISSAN CHIEF CARLOS Ghosn confirms the Skyline GT-R will debut at the Tokyo Motor Show in 2007, with customer sales starting soon after that. The car will make “around 400 hp” and offer “top-level driving performance.”
Video game fans on these shores who have long enjoyed the high-speed thrills of the GT-R will have a chance to drive it (so long as they can pony up the cash). Ghosn says the car will be sold here.
Sure, but why the long wait? Well, it’s not as bad as the first proposal, which was for a 2008 or 2009 GT-R launch. And, if you haven’t noticed, Nissan has been working on a lot of other products lately—and doing a pretty good job with them, too—so there weren’t spare engineers to toil away on a fairly low-volume supercar. At one point, the company was looking for a partner to help share development of the GT-R, but could not find one with whom it was happy.
Ghosn says the GT-R will offer “top performance worldwide, not just compared to our cars.
“If you look at a car and think it’s a tiger, you’re not going to be happy if you get in and drive it and it’s a cat,” Ghosn explains.
Ghosn says the price will be relatively reasonable: “You won’t have the feeling you’re being ripped off.”
That’s still kind of vague, but it sounds like the GT-R will not be another half-million-dollar Enzo/SLR/Carrera GT supercar, at least not in the finance department.
The exterior will probably not look like the concept car shown at Tokyo two years ago, either, though the decision on which of many design proposals submitted has not been made.
More Nissan news
In case anyone was counting, Nissan is trimming platforms. In 1999 it had 24 platforms, with five of them sitting under 62 percent of its vehicles. It is on its way to 15 platforms by 2005, with the top five beneath 91 percent of its products. Many of those 2005s will be shared with Renault.
Nissan predicts 1 million sales in U.S. with boost from new offerings
On the Infiniti side, John Capps, chairman of the Infiniti Dealer Advisory Board, said the wish list for Infiniti dealers is to get the third SUV and the GTR sports car.
"The GTR would be a good halo car for us, " said Capps, CEO of Plaza Motor Co. in St. Louis. "Many dealers are refurbishing their stores and expanding service and parts as we anticipate future growth."
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Ghosn discusses Z older brother and flagship updates in Edmunds.com interview
Ghosn dicussed the GTR on edmunds NAIAS 2004 interview. Click the Link (http://autoshow.edmunds.yahoo.com/news/autoshow/articles/100916/video.html?articleid=100916&pagenum=70&action=videos) to watch a 5:03 video. Flash 7 required.
911 specs, Nissan price
We’ve already told you Nissan chief Carlos Ghosn has promised the return of the Skyline GT-R at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show, followed by worldwide sales—United States included (AW, Nov. 3, 2003). Ghosn has said development time for a globally competitive car explains why the car won’t appear until then, but now he has narrowed the field of sports cars to a key benchmark for the next GT-R: Porsche’s 911. “It has really good performance” while having an affordable price tag, says Ghosn.
Product Planning Boss Patrick Pelata explains briefly GTR delay
Speaking w/Autoexpress, Product planning boss Patrick Pelata says it will now be unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show in October 2007, referring to the GTR. He told us: "A car such as the GT-R has to make technology breakthroughs. It takes time to find these solutions."
Click here for the link. (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=44955)
Nissan's boxy Cube, next-gen Skyline GT-R expected to come to U.S.
TOKYO -- Nissan Motor Co. is expected to sell the next generation of its tiny Cube and the high-performance Skyline GT-R sports car in the United States.
The Cube could become Nissan's youth-targeted Toyota Scion-fighter, and the Skyline GT-R would extend the Infiniti range.
"The next Cube and the next Skyline GT-R will be sold globally," says Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn.
He wouldn't say where the cars would be sold, but analysts expect them to be in U.S. showrooms. Both cars are being engineered for North America.
"There are no global markets without America," says Tatsuo Yoshida of Deutsche Securities Ltd. in Tokyo.
The boxy 1.4-liter Cube will be redesigned in 2006.
Nissan stopped production of the 280-hp, 2.6 liter Skyline GT-R in 2002, but a new version is planned in 2007.
The Cube, which costs the equivalent of $10,890 in Japan, could counter the Scion brand. Toyota sold 7,675 units of the similarly shaped Scion xB in the United States during the first quarter of this year. The xB starts at $13,680, including destination.
The new tC sports coupe will be added to the Scion lineup in June. Toyota forecasts Scion sales to total 100,000 in the United States next year. The Scion brand now consists of the boxy xB and wedge-shaped xA hatchback.
Next year's redesigned Nissan Sentra will be larger than the current model, says Kunihiko Shiohara, analyst at Goldman Sachs (Japan) Ltd. He says the Cube could be needed for positioning below the Sentra.
Shiohara and other analysts expect Nissan to build the Cube at its Aguascalientes, Mexico, plant.
Analysts say the Skyline GT-R would help boost Infiniti's image. The car "could be the top brand among Infiniti sports cars," says Shotaro Noguchi of Mitsubishi Securities.
The new Cube and Skyline GT-R are among 28 new and redesigned models Nissan says it will introduce in the next three years.
The plan calls for annual global sales of 4.2 million units in the fiscal year ending in March 2008. Nissan expects to sell 3.38 million vehicles in the fiscal year which began in April.
Of the extra 820,000 sales, the Japanese automaker expects 250,000 to come from North America, 150,000 from Japan, 70,000 from Europe and 350,000 from other markets.
Nissan has ample cash to develop the models. It posted a record operating profit of $7.29 billion on a consolidated basis in the fiscal year that ended March 31.
The 11.9 percent jump from the previous year was driven by a 10.4 percent increase in global unit sales to 3.05 million, the first time Nissan sales have topped 3 million in 13 years.
That pushed Nissan's operating margin up by 0.3 percentage points to 11.1 percent. Net income also rose 1.7 percent to $4.45 billion on revenues of $65.60 billion, up 8.8 percent over the previous year.
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Infiniti GT-R
Bit of news regarding the 2008 GT-R
Nissan has recently registered the "Infiniti GT-R" trademark in Australia.
Obviously this means the US is bound to get the car under the Infiniti name as well as probably Europe.
thanks goes to DCD for posting it on FA.com
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After a few photos, John asked how the R35 was going. The question was met with a stony silence as our two Japanese visitors just glanced at each other. Shin then leapt in with an explanation for the silence, saying that Mr. Tamura is not allowed to talk about it. To be quite honest it was a question on the tip of my tongue as well. Well you would want to ask him wouldn't you? The conversation then lead into Gran Turismo, and how it has helped Skyline as global brand without Nissan having to spend a penny. Mr. Sakai admitted it had raised awareness in the US and Europe considerably and hence why the next GT-R may be a global car...
Scott.
GTROC Club Secretary.
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The illustration below depicts the upcoming Nissan Skyline GT-R. The GT-R version of the Skyline has always been a special high-performance offering in Nissan's lineup, and this one will continue that tradition. The GT-R probably has the record for the number of car-mag stories about a vehicle that has never been available in the U.S., and it remains high on our wish list.
Built on a new platform that is not shared with the standard-model Skyline, or Infiniti G35 coupe, as it's known stateside, it will likely make the GT-R far more expensive than run-of-the-mill G35 coupes.
There are conflicting reports out of Japan regarding the powerplant. One camp believes the GT-R will be powered by a Cosworth-developed twin-turbo version of the current 3.5-liter V-6, offering at least 450 horsepower. Others believe a new twin-turbo 3.2-liter V-6 will get the call.
To make sure the GT-R has supercar handling, chassis engineers from Lotus were selected to develop its steering, suspension, and drivetrain. Could this special Skyline so long denied to U.S. enthusiasts finally come to the States? "G35 GT-R" has a certain ring to it, but it's up to Nissan or Infiniti's product planners to decide whether it will come to our shores.
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http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=29&article_id=8707
Update - 11/19/04: Skyline Australian again provides the November 2004 holiday auto mag update, engine has been finalized UNOFFICIALLY [3.2 V6 EA TWIN TURBO - based on FR-L platform] Go on read below and laugh at the newest photochop jobs
Edmunds
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What Edmunds.com Says: It may end up wearing an Infiniti badge, but this next generation Skyline should have all the attitude of its Nissan cousins.
What We Know: After years of rumors and intense lobbying by Nissan enthusiasts in the U.S., Nissan chief Carlos Ghosn announced that his company plans to release a fully redesigned version of the legendary Skyline GT-R by 2007. The new version will take its cues from the GT-R concept car that has made the rounds at various auto shows over the past several years, and unlike its predecessor the GT-R will make its way to the U.S. With the 350Z already occupying a steady spot in Nissan's lineup, look for the GT-R to come Stateside wearing an Infiniti badge. A prototype caught testing on Germany's grueling Nurburgring test track made the rounds wearing the shell of a current G35, but obvious signs of serious modifications indicate it was no ordinary Infiniti. The car is expected to debut at the Tokyo Motor Show in the fall of 2007 and go on sale later that year.
Best Car Magazine October 2004 Issue Analysis
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Yes, it's a lefthand drive "Infinity"... LHD in Germany remember!
A German photographer snapped these pics recently, remarking on how quickly the car was travelling around that part of the 'ring. A professional driver from Japan has been flown to Germany to carry out "overall" testing with emphasis on aerodynamics appraisal.
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The test at Nurburgring wasn't about parts testing, but overall performance and handling, suggesting that the GT-R has entered the middle phase of development where engineers concentrate on the entire package rather than just seperate parts. The front bumper seen in the pic above isn't the final design!!! It's a just a quick bumper thats been made so the car has some kind decent airflow characteristics without any attention to styling.
The rear wing on the other hand does give a big hint as to what the final one will look like. The reporter from Best Car was suprised that the rear wing is just your generic late model FD3S RX-7 type wing with beefed up end plates. The wide fenders will make the GT-R 100mm wider than the current V35 Skyline Coupe, making it the same width as the current Porsche turbo. Some effort has been put forward to make the fenders blend in as a component of the complete aerodynamics package, one that will become one of the strongest merits of the car.
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Best Car couldn't report on much about the engine this time around, but were quick to point out that a "number" of different engine capacities are being tested, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5 and possibly a 4.0 (a la the V36 VQ41DE) but still retaining the electric spool-up twin turbo configuration. Also note the two air opening under each headlight on the pics above, they aparently feed each turbo, with a highly efficient intercooler design making use of the third opening. Power is still being set at about 460ps.
Just a final note, the engine is the ultimate "saving grace" for this V-series GT-R, and as far as Best Car can see, Nissan WILL NOT dissapoint in this area... so guys, sit back, don't write off the next GT-R just yet (although I almost did!)
Thanks to Krnsx, SkylineGTR_guy, & Rezz @ SkylineAustralia.com
Taken from SkylineAustralia:
a) Nissan are well aware of the popularity of the GT-R outside of Japan, and are looking to make the next GT-R well and truly stand out more than previous incarnations. The "World Market GT-R" as it were... just by translating the article from Holiday Auto, you can feel that the next GT-R has truly broken away from the "old" R-series GT-Rs... (I can hear the crying and monitor bashing from here!)
b) Porsche 911 Turbo is going down... in fact, it seems Nissan are already claiming victory (???)... such is their confidence after the Nurburgring tests. Aparently, the first test failed because some driveline hardware was faulty, but the subsequent 2 tests were successful enough for Nissan to make final descisions on the driveline: 3.2L V6 Twin electric-assisted Turbo, FR-L platform (Primary Front engine/Rear wheel drive transaxle, motor-assisted front wheel drive or "e-4WD") with Getrag 7-speed sequential gearbox.
After much deliberation about 3.0, 3.5 and even 4.1L capacities for the VQ engine, they've decided on 3.2. The thing to bear in mind here is the Porsche 911 Turbo... it seems Nissan may want to defeat Porsche with less capacity...
Expected final power output: 480ps @ 7,200rpm, 58.0kg/m @ 5,200rpm.
c) Other specs of note are the "semi-wet sump" (as opposed to the dry sump originally quoted) and the aluminium spaceframe, steel cabin and bulk usage of carbon throughout.
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Thanks to Rezz @ Skyline Australia.
2005 GT-R Concept
After 3 solid years of speculation, CG concepts by Nissan design teams – not to mention the plethora of CG images produced by Nissan fans - we will get the final word from Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn regarding the Next GT-R. The 39th Tokyo Motor Show (Oct 19 – Nov 6, 2005) will be the venue where all the speculation and rumors stop when the 2005 GT-R Concept vehicle is uncovered.
Without a doubt the main feature at the 39th Tokyo Motor Show will be the Next GT-R. No other single vehicle has caused as much hype amongst the international Nissan fan base as this car. Nissan have been watching the international reaction to various rumors, spy photos, concept drawings and the like, and will take it upon themselves to officially state the Next GT-R’s design, new components and capabilities, aim of the car, and price. Nissan may even answer the question that’s confused a number of enthusiasts up until now: the chassis designation. Whether it’s UA-CPV35 GT-R, or due to the ’07 release date, UA-CPV36 GT-R, or another chassis code altogether, Nissan will need to explain why, if the GT-R is to drop it’s connection with the Skyline, would they need to incorporate the Skyline’s traditional four round tail lights.
Sources in Japan have already scooped the Next GT-R’s FR transaxle, twin motor-assisted turbos and ‘e-4WD’ – drive to the front wheels provided by electric motors powered by Lithium batteries. All these mechanisms are unique to the Next GT-R and will lead the way for other car manufacturers to make use of such technological advances in their own vehicle line-ups. One hotly contested feature of the Next GT-R is it’s rumored engine, the VQ32DETT. International speculation has sprouted all sorts of configurations: N/A and turbo V8’s, large capacity V6’s, even rebirth of the legendary RB26DETT. But no other engine configuration has been quoted more times in Japan than the 3.2 liter V6 twin turbo.
The rumored VQ32DETT engine has been developed in conjunction with Cosworth (UK) and the basic design of the V6 twin turbo – in 3.0 liter guise - has seen two full seasons already in the Japanese JGTC (Japan GT Championship) racing series, which VQ powered cars have won consecutively in the last two years. The rigors of JGTC racing and advances in turbo design should put to rest any doubts about a twin turbo V6 configuration not being able to withstand the treatment expected from a US market not familiar with a top level performance turbo offering from Nissan. The concern over how the US market would receive a medium capacity V6 turbo powered GT car from Nissan has brought forth all kinds of rumored engine configurations, none of which have had any mention within the Japanese media for at least two years. It seems practically all the rumors regarding engines other than the VQ32DETT have originated from the very market that is concerned about the reliability of a turbo V6 powered GT car from Nissan (or in the North American market, Infiniti) as opposed to the supposedly better reliability a larger capacity naturally aspirated engine of similar output could offer.
Much importance has been placed on the effective use of underbody aerodynamics, as well as keeping a clean, muscular shape devoid of any large spoilers which were such a signature of the superseded R34 Skyline GT-R. Twenty-inch alloy wheels and a mix of carbon fiber (bonnet, seat frames, drive shafts, rear diffusers) and aluminum (roof, door panels, rear tailgate) will also feature on a car that is every bit as exotic as it is technologically advanced. The disappointment felt by Japanese Nissan enthusiasts about the controversial tail lights of the V35 Skyline Sedan upon it’s release back in 2001 – no trademark circular lights or ‘hotplates’ – has seen Nissan make a complete about face… even releasing the V35 Skyline Sedan Series II with circular LED arrays to try and convince the Japanese domestic market that they haven’t forsaken the Skyline heritage. What this means is that despite the multitude of CG images gracing the internet and magazines all sporting slightly weak attempts at ‘hotplate’ tail light designs, the Next GT-R will definitely include the four round tail lights that have become the defining feature of the GT-R since the early 1970’s… even though Carlos Ghosn has hinted that the Next GT-R won’t be associated with the Skyline range anymore.
The motto of the Next GT-R that has been thrown around more than a few times amongst the Japanese media is ‘More Super-Sports than you can imagine’. You can be sure that Nissan won’t disappoint this time around, as so many Nissan enthusiasts in Japan have expressed their disapproval of the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show Concept GT-R. Look for more details to come to light as October approaches straight from Japan… so it certainly will be an exciting year for GT-R enthusiasts the world over. Expect to see the Next GT-R released in December 2007.
In addition, I found this snippet about a possible mid-level Infiniti sports car. Could be a coupe version of the M45, which would be a nice way to undercut the BMW 6-Series and MB CL/SL.
Mega Nissan On Starting Line
The Skyline's the limit with Nissan's latest sports car. Boosted by the success of its 350Z coupé, plans are underway for another sensational car described by insiders as "for adrenaline junkies."
Destined to slot in between future versions of the Z and the powerhouse GT-R, the newcomer will aim to combine the best elements of both its siblings. That means the style and usability of the former, plus the superb grip and handling of the latter.
It will sit on an all-new platform shared between the three models, while the styling will take elements from the Skyline GT-R concept displayed at the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show, and the Infiniti G35 which is sold in the US and Japan.
Power may come from a naturally aspirated version of the large-capacity V8 shown in the Skyline prototype. Although not due until 2008, the car could be the first UK model to wear the Infiniti badge, distinguishing it from regular Nissan products.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=53770
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Nissan will continue building the GT-R in the 21st Century, providing the ultimate driving pleasure to even more people worldwide. In its next generation Nissan is looking to introducing the GT-R in other markets worldwide.
In pursuit of ultimate driving pleasure
Successive generations of the GT-R have consistently pursued the ultimate in driving pleasure. Over the years, the GT-R has continued to be a supreme-performance road-going car that delivers superb driving pleasure by responding faithfully to the driver's demands. Just sitting in the driver's seat of the GT-R produces a feeling of excitement that envelops the entire body.
Achieving the ultimate in driving pleasure means that the car must perform exactly as the driver expects. Meeting this expectation requires a faithful response to the driving actions executed by the driver, and the car must convey accurate information to the driver. In other words, the driver has to be able to judge the vehicle's state accurately and instantaneously. Then, through the car's consistently response to the accelerator pedal, steering wheel and brake pedal, the driver enjoys the pleasure of controlling the car at will. There is feeling of solid trust and oneness that forms between the driver and the car in this process, confidently bringing out both the driver's skill and the car's maximum potential.
Consistently providing the best specifications available in every era
If drivers are to enjoy the ultimate in driving pleasure, the car's potential must be raised to the utmost limits. Successive generations of the GT-R have truly incorporated superior specifications even among vehicles in this segment. With its unrivaled power, the engine has delivered outstanding acceleration and top speed combined with a driving sensation. A superior braking system has provided powerful braking performance, and an outstanding suspension has enabled the GT-R to corner with remarkable quickness.
The GT-R has been the showcase for the highest levels of acceleration, cornering and stopping capabilities. The delicate balance between the powerful engine and responsive suspension has been pushed as each system surpassed last generation technology.
As a result of that never-ending process, the GT-R has continued to embody the most advanced technologies available in every era.
Expanding the tradition globally in the 21st-Century
Successive generations of the GT-R have already established an unshakable position in Japan as a result of incorporating the highest levels of technology available in pursuit of ultimate driving pleasure. That superior performance transcended the oceans to make the GT-R the focus of envious looks the world over. Nissan is developing a new generation of GT-R for the 21st Century with the aim of placing it in the spotlight of the global stage, beyond the borders of the Japanese market.
The GT-R displayed at the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show is a concept vehicle which delivers "Ultimate Driving Pleasure" with the best in world-class
Of course, here's a picture of the all-too familiar concept.
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Best Car & Holiday Auto) think that the engine used in the next GTR will be the VQ33DETT.
The new 3.3L alloy block V6 will use the stroke length from the VQ35 and the bore from the VQ30. It will use twin electronically assisted turbochargers, which is a first! Apparently two small electric motors will be attached to the turbine shaft spinning it at lower revs when no positive boost is being made thus eliminating turbo lag. Furthermore variable valve timing and variable valve lift will be used in order to achieve the 400ps that is predicted.
The M-spec will get a 6 speed CVT transmission while the V-spec a 6 speed MT. Active suspension will be used, along with 4 pot Brembos all round and huge 19" wheels.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=32040
It's set to be Japan's fastest and most advanced supercar - but look under the skin and it's Britain's brains which will power Nissan's new GT-R!
most advanced car in the world. But it's not only Nissan engineers who can claim the credit - our sources say British legend Cosworth has been called in to help tweak the engine, while Lotus is involved in fine-tuning the suspension.
The 'International Specification' GT-R, which will be sold throughout the world for the first time, is set to get a version of the 3.5-litre V6 engine used in the 350Z coupé, but will have electrically assisted twin turbochargers to boost power without sapping too much energy. Cosworth's expertise will be used to make sure the V6's block, head, pistons and crank are all strong enough.
Nissan knows it has to do something really special with the next GT-R, partly because the 350Z performs so well, but also as it's the first globally oriented version of the car, and expectations are high among the 'Playstation generation' of buyers who are familiar with the model from video games consoles.
The company has asked for around 400bhp and 490Nm of torque, but more realistic figures given emissions regulations are 350bhp and 450Nm. To reach production, the car must meet strict Euro4 exhaust regulations. The V6 will be mated to a six-speed Getrag gearbox, with a CVT due a year after launch in early 2005. The auto is undergoing final development, but apparent slippage trouble due to the excessive power has been plaguing prototypes. Insiders have confirmed the GT-R will incorporate an updated version of Nissan's Atessa 4WD system with an active limited slip differential. This new arrangement means torque is distributed between the front and rear wheels not only in response to traction loss, but also as a result of changes in the engine's output.
The FM platform used in the new range of Skyline and Infiniti G35 coupés in Japan and the US is basically good enough, but needs some fine-tuning to handle the extra power - and that's where Lotus comes in. A new hydraulic active suspension system, co-developed with Lotus, will feature. The Norfolk firm's expertise in this area will ensure the car handles like no other GT-R before, and can satisfy the soft-riding expectations of American buyers with the traction and high-speed handling required by the British and German markets.
Its brakes promise to be special, too, with larger Brembo discs controlled by a newly revised brake-by-wire unit which promises to give the sporty feel and feedback enthusiastic drivers demand.
But while the dynamics are groundbreaking, many fans will be disappointed by the looks. Although the car is clearly linked to the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show concept, some of the more aggressive touches have been watered down in favour of a more mainstream appearance. The final production version will debut at next October's Tokyo event
Infiniti has scrapped plans to reveal their latest project in the 2003 New York Auto Show, which procedes the Detroit Auto Show. Rumors are that this project is some variant ot the controversially styled Nissan GT-R concept that wowed the crowed at the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show.
This car is said to be carrying a Twin Turbo V-6 simillar to the type found in their latest sports car, the 350z. A respected British Magazine also reports that this super GT will be cotuned by Coswort and Lotus. With AWD this car should easily pose a threat to the popular Porsche 911 turbo. A toned down version with Z-car grill treatment and overall front and G35 coupe lines is due to debut at the 2003 Tokyo Motor Show.
Knowing the prowress of this car in the domestic Japanese market, GM and Ford are scrambling to counteract its potentially devastating effects. GM is rumored to reveal the faster more powerful 2005 Corvette in next years NAIAS and Ford has sped up plans to to release their GT super car. When asked in the 2002 Detroit Auto Show what he thought about this new Infiniti, GM CEO; Bob Lutz had this to say: "Its a heck of a hot rod, that we are just going to have to beat"
Rumors are that this car will be called the Infiniti X35 GT-R, but that seems to be pure speculation as of right now.
-Ed
In the Feburary issue of CAR Magazine, "Mr. GTR" Hiroshi Tamura revealed the following information when discussing the GTR project.
"Porsche 993 to 996 was a big step. Ferrari 355 to 360 was a big step. We must make an even bigger leap than that for the next-generation GT-R. What we are saying to customers is, be patient, trust us, we will make it for you".
'Godzilla' set to roar again
By Cameron McGavin
The Age
Thursday February 6 2003
Nissan's revival gathers more speed, reports Cameron McGavin.
NISSAN will go head to head in a power war with the world's top sports-car manufacturers when its new GT-R sports coupe makes its debut this year -- and it could be heading to Australia.
Speaking at the Australian launch of the 350Z sports car this week, Nissan chief product specialist John Yukawa said the upcoming GT-R would break through the unofficial 206kW power limit, which Japanese manufacturers have adhered to for decades to appease their government.
And it won't be by a nose, either. Yukawa's benchmark for the new GT-R is Porsche's 911 Turbo, which pumps out 309kW and is regarded by many as the best sports car in the world. Expect to see a power figure of about 300kW when the GT-R is revealed at the Tokyo motor show this year.
"The GT-R will exceed 206kW (the Japanese limit)," said Yukawa. "The Porsche 911 Turbo has about 400hp -- we're aiming for that. Porsche is my ambition."
Japanese car makers have long been suspected of exceeding the self-imposed power limit and then simply quoting 206kW (or 280hp) to keep officials happy. Now that the decision has been made to abandon the agreement, Japanese performance-car makers can get serious about challenging their European counterparts.
The new GT-R is expected to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V6 engine.
The rest of the GT-R package is a secret, though there have been clues. The styling is likely to show influences from the rakish GT-R concept car shown at the 2001 Tokyo motor show. Meanwhile, four-wheel-drive -- a signature of the model -- is a certainty.
Price is another unknown, although suggestions are that it will not be cheap, stretching beyond $150,000.
Previous GT-Rs have been built purely for the Japanese market, although 100 of the original -- and, some would say, the best -- R32 model were sold through Nissan dealerships between 1991 and 1993.
The new car, however, is designed with foreign markets in mind as Nissan continues its much-publicised revival under the guidance of leader Carlos Ghosn.
Leon Daphne, managing director and chief executive of Nissan Australia, said the new GT-R was on his wish list, though he stressed that any decision would come from Japan.
"When it's available in right-hand-drive, we'd like to take it," he said. "But it would be in very limited numbers."
The GT-R name has a glorious history in Australia, despite no presence in almost a decade.
The legendary R32 GT-R earned the nickname "Godzilla" for its performances in Australian touring car racing; it was ultimately ruled out of the competition through fear of upsetting car makers Ford and Holden.
Road-going models, many of which have been privately imported over the years, won similar favour for their explosive performance and excellent handling.
Sitting below the GT-R in Nissan's planned three-tiered sports-car line-up is the 350Z, which went on sale this week for less than $60,000.
Ironically, the arrival of Nissan's new Z-car comes just as its sweet-driving 200SX sports coupe sibling bows out of the Australian market because of problems meeting future emission regulations.
But fans of affordable sports cars need not fret, because a replacement is already under development.
Nissan's John Yukawa confirmed that a new 200SX was on the way and that it would stay true to the philosophy of its predecessor. Don't be surprised, then, if the 200SX replacement is another compact, rear-drive, turbocharged coupe.
"The 200SX is an entry car for the young guy, the Z-car is a car for the macho guy and the GT-R is a car for the enthusiast," said Yukawa. "Nissan is always seeking to provide fun-to-drive cars for the customers, especially for enthusiasts. This is the Nissan way."
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=29&article_id=7176
Infiniti will begin offering an all-wheel-drive version of its hot-selling G35 sedan, fitted with Nissan's ATTESA E-TS (electronic torque split) system, in early December. Now comes word that an upcoming G35 platform mate, the Skyline GT-R, will get not only ATTESA E-TS but also a twin-turbo V-6 tuned by Cosworth. Producing in the neighborhood of 480 horsepower, the new V-6 features twin-turbo motor assist, a technology employed during off-boost periods—say, when idling—that temporarily turns the GT-R into a naturally aspirated car. Here's how it works: When off boost, magnetic valves open to form a bypass that redirects exhaust gas around the turbos and directly into the precatalysts; when on boost, the valves close and channel exhaust gas into the turbos. The net effect is a car reportedly capable of meeting strict emissions regulations around the world. Don't expect to see the GT-R, likely labeled an Infiniti when it comes to America, till 2005 or 2006.
There is someone who lives in Norfolk — identity unknown — who spends his days lurking in bushes near the Lotus HQ, taking photographs of cars. Not just any old cars, but pre-production models shrouded in secrecy and previously unseen by the outside world. Then he goes home, downloads the digital images, picks up the phone and calls the editor of one of the car magazines. A fee is agreed and a deal is done, and this is how he makes his living.
Known in the industry as “scoop photographers”, people such as this are the motoring world’s version of the paparazzi, constantly on the hunt for new car designs still in the development and testing phase. Depending on the quality of the shot and on the amount of interest in the car, they can get paid between £90 and £1,000 per photograph.
Two months ago the unknown Norfolk photographer caused something of a stir in the motoring world when he captured images of the new Nissan Skyline and sold them to Autocar magazine. Not only was this the first ever sighting of the new car, it also exposed the fact that much of Lotus’s work is for other, much larger manufacturers who’d rather the world didn’t know they need help.
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Read the rest of this article here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,588-840530,00.html
Note: The GT-R mule pictured has cooling vents for a turbocharged powerplant, as well as a large wing, possibly to simulate the GT-R's more advanced aerodynamics.
Power: 480ps (352kw!) @ 7200rpm
Torque: 58kg/m @ 4800rpm
The GT-R concept has been finalized. The new car will target the 911 Turbo as its primary competitor. The new GT-R will feature a VQ32DETT Twin-Turbo V6 engine. Estimated output will be over 480ps and over 420 lb/ft of torque .
In addition, it will also feature the improve active AWD system. The engine will be developed by a joint venture of Nissan and Cosworth. The new turbo system will feature a electronic Anti-Lag-system. Which means the turbine will be driven by an electic-powered motor when the thottle is lifted. The new chassis will be a brand new one (code: FR-L), which is composed of steel and Aluminum alloy. Suspension will be taken from the current Skyline (G35) with certain improvements made.
Estimated to be in the market in spring 2005, with a price tag of over $80K.
GT-R Engine: VQ32DETT V6 Twin-Turbo, featuring colaboration with Cosworth Technology for ;
. Direct in-cylinder petrol injection technology
. Variable valvetrain technology
. Displacement on demand technology
. Aluminium cast engine block
Garrett are said to have helped design the turbine anti-lag system using electronic assistance
. Turbine anti-lag system
Direct injection of fuel at high pressure into each cylinder gives the maximum control of engine performance with the elimination of bulky intake manifolds and their assorted fixtures. These systems require precise sensors and control by an electronic computer which in turn leads to large improvements in engine performance.
The new engine's expected to use Cosworth designs for high-pressure direct injection system, variable valvetrain technology and could even feature the revolutionary ‘displacement on demand’ to meet strict emissions regulations.
Aluminium castings for the engine will be produced at the Cosworth foundry (in Worcester), to be shipped out to the facility.
Customers use Cosworth Technology’s foundry service because it owns a process that promises a very high level of dimensional accuracy. The use of Zircon sand brings with it linear and low thermal expansion properties superior to those of conventional Silica. It also has the benefit of a similar bulk density to that of aluminium, limiting core buoyancy problems. "We can therefore eliminate the need for core supports, but it also means that we can use less glue in our sand packs, reducing the potential for gas-porosity," explains Struthers.
Cores aside, the real key to the quality of the castings is the delivery of the molten material. Oxide nucleaic porosity is endemic to gravity casting and not uncommon in other low pressure techniques. The Cosworth process, (which Cosworth Technology licenses to other manufacturers) employs a melting methodology (the primary component of which are enormous, constant volumes of molten metal undergoing long residency in the vat) that ensures aluminium is drawn from a very clean zone in the middle of the melt.
While not cheap, the process is considered the most cost-effective method to create the superior product required by some vehicle programmes. "A lot of the applications that we get involved with are on the edge of what the material can give, but using this process we can give the designers what they have designed," concludes Struthers.
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How the antilag system should theoretically work.
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Illustrates the differences between the rumored VQ32DETT's dry sump oiling system versus the VQ25DET's normal system.
No GTR for Tokyo
Despite intense speculation in Japanese automotive publications, Nissan says it has no plans to introduce the next-generation GTR coupe at this month’s Tokyo Motor Show. Nissan displayed a concept version of the GTR at the 2001 Tokyo show and the 2002 Geneva show, but isn’t ready to premier a production car to replace the R34 GTR. Nissan ceased production of the R34 GTR in August 2002 because the car’s engine was unable to meet increasingly strict emissions standards in Japan.
source: Auto week > Click here for the article. (http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=04034466)
Dow Jones Business News
Nissan Motor To Launch New GTR Sports Model Globally 2007
Wednesday October 22, 12:31 am ET
TOKYO -(Dow Jones)- Nissan Motor Co. will market from 2007 a new model of its flagship sports auto, the "GTR," as "a global car," president Carlos Ghosn said Wednesday at a round-table meeting with the media.
It will be the first time for Nissan to market the model globally. Ghosn said the company will launch the model in markets including the U.S., Europe and Japan.
The new GTR is expected to be the successor to the Skyline GTR model, which was launched in January 1998 and available only in Japan. Nissan stopped marketing that model in August 2002.
Ghosn declined to provide any sales targets for the new model.
-By Yoshio Takahashi, Dow Jones Newswires; 813-5255-2929; [email protected]
-Edited by Bennett Richardson and Kirsty Mackenzie
Carlos Ghosn
President and CEO
Another Nissan legend will be shown here in 2007 – the GT-R. Development of the new GT-R is on schedule, and it is being engineered to claim its place among the world’s elite sports cars. More details will come closer to its launch. Click here for the rest of the article. (http://press.nissan-global.com/TOKYO_MOTOR_SHOW_2003/EN/PRESS_BRIEFING/doc_tms.html)
Nissan Skyline GT-R coming to U.S., but not until ’07
By MARK VAUGHN
NISSAN CHIEF CARLOS Ghosn confirms the Skyline GT-R will debut at the Tokyo Motor Show in 2007, with customer sales starting soon after that. The car will make “around 400 hp” and offer “top-level driving performance.”
Video game fans on these shores who have long enjoyed the high-speed thrills of the GT-R will have a chance to drive it (so long as they can pony up the cash). Ghosn says the car will be sold here.
Sure, but why the long wait? Well, it’s not as bad as the first proposal, which was for a 2008 or 2009 GT-R launch. And, if you haven’t noticed, Nissan has been working on a lot of other products lately—and doing a pretty good job with them, too—so there weren’t spare engineers to toil away on a fairly low-volume supercar. At one point, the company was looking for a partner to help share development of the GT-R, but could not find one with whom it was happy.
Ghosn says the GT-R will offer “top performance worldwide, not just compared to our cars.
“If you look at a car and think it’s a tiger, you’re not going to be happy if you get in and drive it and it’s a cat,” Ghosn explains.
Ghosn says the price will be relatively reasonable: “You won’t have the feeling you’re being ripped off.”
That’s still kind of vague, but it sounds like the GT-R will not be another half-million-dollar Enzo/SLR/Carrera GT supercar, at least not in the finance department.
The exterior will probably not look like the concept car shown at Tokyo two years ago, either, though the decision on which of many design proposals submitted has not been made.
More Nissan news
In case anyone was counting, Nissan is trimming platforms. In 1999 it had 24 platforms, with five of them sitting under 62 percent of its vehicles. It is on its way to 15 platforms by 2005, with the top five beneath 91 percent of its products. Many of those 2005s will be shared with Renault.
Nissan predicts 1 million sales in U.S. with boost from new offerings
On the Infiniti side, John Capps, chairman of the Infiniti Dealer Advisory Board, said the wish list for Infiniti dealers is to get the third SUV and the GTR sports car.
"The GTR would be a good halo car for us, " said Capps, CEO of Plaza Motor Co. in St. Louis. "Many dealers are refurbishing their stores and expanding service and parts as we anticipate future growth."
Read the rest of this article here. (http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=07437085)
Ghosn discusses Z older brother and flagship updates in Edmunds.com interview
Ghosn dicussed the GTR on edmunds NAIAS 2004 interview. Click the Link (http://autoshow.edmunds.yahoo.com/news/autoshow/articles/100916/video.html?articleid=100916&pagenum=70&action=videos) to watch a 5:03 video. Flash 7 required.
911 specs, Nissan price
We’ve already told you Nissan chief Carlos Ghosn has promised the return of the Skyline GT-R at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show, followed by worldwide sales—United States included (AW, Nov. 3, 2003). Ghosn has said development time for a globally competitive car explains why the car won’t appear until then, but now he has narrowed the field of sports cars to a key benchmark for the next GT-R: Porsche’s 911. “It has really good performance” while having an affordable price tag, says Ghosn.
Product Planning Boss Patrick Pelata explains briefly GTR delay
Speaking w/Autoexpress, Product planning boss Patrick Pelata says it will now be unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show in October 2007, referring to the GTR. He told us: "A car such as the GT-R has to make technology breakthroughs. It takes time to find these solutions."
Click here for the link. (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=44955)
Nissan's boxy Cube, next-gen Skyline GT-R expected to come to U.S.
TOKYO -- Nissan Motor Co. is expected to sell the next generation of its tiny Cube and the high-performance Skyline GT-R sports car in the United States.
The Cube could become Nissan's youth-targeted Toyota Scion-fighter, and the Skyline GT-R would extend the Infiniti range.
"The next Cube and the next Skyline GT-R will be sold globally," says Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn.
He wouldn't say where the cars would be sold, but analysts expect them to be in U.S. showrooms. Both cars are being engineered for North America.
"There are no global markets without America," says Tatsuo Yoshida of Deutsche Securities Ltd. in Tokyo.
The boxy 1.4-liter Cube will be redesigned in 2006.
Nissan stopped production of the 280-hp, 2.6 liter Skyline GT-R in 2002, but a new version is planned in 2007.
The Cube, which costs the equivalent of $10,890 in Japan, could counter the Scion brand. Toyota sold 7,675 units of the similarly shaped Scion xB in the United States during the first quarter of this year. The xB starts at $13,680, including destination.
The new tC sports coupe will be added to the Scion lineup in June. Toyota forecasts Scion sales to total 100,000 in the United States next year. The Scion brand now consists of the boxy xB and wedge-shaped xA hatchback.
Next year's redesigned Nissan Sentra will be larger than the current model, says Kunihiko Shiohara, analyst at Goldman Sachs (Japan) Ltd. He says the Cube could be needed for positioning below the Sentra.
Shiohara and other analysts expect Nissan to build the Cube at its Aguascalientes, Mexico, plant.
Analysts say the Skyline GT-R would help boost Infiniti's image. The car "could be the top brand among Infiniti sports cars," says Shotaro Noguchi of Mitsubishi Securities.
The new Cube and Skyline GT-R are among 28 new and redesigned models Nissan says it will introduce in the next three years.
The plan calls for annual global sales of 4.2 million units in the fiscal year ending in March 2008. Nissan expects to sell 3.38 million vehicles in the fiscal year which began in April.
Of the extra 820,000 sales, the Japanese automaker expects 250,000 to come from North America, 150,000 from Japan, 70,000 from Europe and 350,000 from other markets.
Nissan has ample cash to develop the models. It posted a record operating profit of $7.29 billion on a consolidated basis in the fiscal year that ended March 31.
The 11.9 percent jump from the previous year was driven by a 10.4 percent increase in global unit sales to 3.05 million, the first time Nissan sales have topped 3 million in 13 years.
That pushed Nissan's operating margin up by 0.3 percentage points to 11.1 percent. Net income also rose 1.7 percent to $4.45 billion on revenues of $65.60 billion, up 8.8 percent over the previous year.
Click here for the link. (http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=07580154)
Infiniti GT-R
Bit of news regarding the 2008 GT-R
Nissan has recently registered the "Infiniti GT-R" trademark in Australia.
Obviously this means the US is bound to get the car under the Infiniti name as well as probably Europe.
thanks goes to DCD for posting it on FA.com
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After a few photos, John asked how the R35 was going. The question was met with a stony silence as our two Japanese visitors just glanced at each other. Shin then leapt in with an explanation for the silence, saying that Mr. Tamura is not allowed to talk about it. To be quite honest it was a question on the tip of my tongue as well. Well you would want to ask him wouldn't you? The conversation then lead into Gran Turismo, and how it has helped Skyline as global brand without Nissan having to spend a penny. Mr. Sakai admitted it had raised awareness in the US and Europe considerably and hence why the next GT-R may be a global car...
Scott.
GTROC Club Secretary.
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The illustration below depicts the upcoming Nissan Skyline GT-R. The GT-R version of the Skyline has always been a special high-performance offering in Nissan's lineup, and this one will continue that tradition. The GT-R probably has the record for the number of car-mag stories about a vehicle that has never been available in the U.S., and it remains high on our wish list.
Built on a new platform that is not shared with the standard-model Skyline, or Infiniti G35 coupe, as it's known stateside, it will likely make the GT-R far more expensive than run-of-the-mill G35 coupes.
There are conflicting reports out of Japan regarding the powerplant. One camp believes the GT-R will be powered by a Cosworth-developed twin-turbo version of the current 3.5-liter V-6, offering at least 450 horsepower. Others believe a new twin-turbo 3.2-liter V-6 will get the call.
To make sure the GT-R has supercar handling, chassis engineers from Lotus were selected to develop its steering, suspension, and drivetrain. Could this special Skyline so long denied to U.S. enthusiasts finally come to the States? "G35 GT-R" has a certain ring to it, but it's up to Nissan or Infiniti's product planners to decide whether it will come to our shores.
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/1042004113655.jpg
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=29&article_id=8707
Update - 11/19/04: Skyline Australian again provides the November 2004 holiday auto mag update, engine has been finalized UNOFFICIALLY [3.2 V6 EA TWIN TURBO - based on FR-L platform] Go on read below and laugh at the newest photochop jobs
Edmunds
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What Edmunds.com Says: It may end up wearing an Infiniti badge, but this next generation Skyline should have all the attitude of its Nissan cousins.
What We Know: After years of rumors and intense lobbying by Nissan enthusiasts in the U.S., Nissan chief Carlos Ghosn announced that his company plans to release a fully redesigned version of the legendary Skyline GT-R by 2007. The new version will take its cues from the GT-R concept car that has made the rounds at various auto shows over the past several years, and unlike its predecessor the GT-R will make its way to the U.S. With the 350Z already occupying a steady spot in Nissan's lineup, look for the GT-R to come Stateside wearing an Infiniti badge. A prototype caught testing on Germany's grueling Nurburgring test track made the rounds wearing the shell of a current G35, but obvious signs of serious modifications indicate it was no ordinary Infiniti. The car is expected to debut at the Tokyo Motor Show in the fall of 2007 and go on sale later that year.
Best Car Magazine October 2004 Issue Analysis
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Yes, it's a lefthand drive "Infinity"... LHD in Germany remember!
A German photographer snapped these pics recently, remarking on how quickly the car was travelling around that part of the 'ring. A professional driver from Japan has been flown to Germany to carry out "overall" testing with emphasis on aerodynamics appraisal.
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The test at Nurburgring wasn't about parts testing, but overall performance and handling, suggesting that the GT-R has entered the middle phase of development where engineers concentrate on the entire package rather than just seperate parts. The front bumper seen in the pic above isn't the final design!!! It's a just a quick bumper thats been made so the car has some kind decent airflow characteristics without any attention to styling.
The rear wing on the other hand does give a big hint as to what the final one will look like. The reporter from Best Car was suprised that the rear wing is just your generic late model FD3S RX-7 type wing with beefed up end plates. The wide fenders will make the GT-R 100mm wider than the current V35 Skyline Coupe, making it the same width as the current Porsche turbo. Some effort has been put forward to make the fenders blend in as a component of the complete aerodynamics package, one that will become one of the strongest merits of the car.
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Best Car couldn't report on much about the engine this time around, but were quick to point out that a "number" of different engine capacities are being tested, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5 and possibly a 4.0 (a la the V36 VQ41DE) but still retaining the electric spool-up twin turbo configuration. Also note the two air opening under each headlight on the pics above, they aparently feed each turbo, with a highly efficient intercooler design making use of the third opening. Power is still being set at about 460ps.
Just a final note, the engine is the ultimate "saving grace" for this V-series GT-R, and as far as Best Car can see, Nissan WILL NOT dissapoint in this area... so guys, sit back, don't write off the next GT-R just yet (although I almost did!)
Thanks to Krnsx, SkylineGTR_guy, & Rezz @ SkylineAustralia.com
Taken from SkylineAustralia:
a) Nissan are well aware of the popularity of the GT-R outside of Japan, and are looking to make the next GT-R well and truly stand out more than previous incarnations. The "World Market GT-R" as it were... just by translating the article from Holiday Auto, you can feel that the next GT-R has truly broken away from the "old" R-series GT-Rs... (I can hear the crying and monitor bashing from here!)
b) Porsche 911 Turbo is going down... in fact, it seems Nissan are already claiming victory (???)... such is their confidence after the Nurburgring tests. Aparently, the first test failed because some driveline hardware was faulty, but the subsequent 2 tests were successful enough for Nissan to make final descisions on the driveline: 3.2L V6 Twin electric-assisted Turbo, FR-L platform (Primary Front engine/Rear wheel drive transaxle, motor-assisted front wheel drive or "e-4WD") with Getrag 7-speed sequential gearbox.
After much deliberation about 3.0, 3.5 and even 4.1L capacities for the VQ engine, they've decided on 3.2. The thing to bear in mind here is the Porsche 911 Turbo... it seems Nissan may want to defeat Porsche with less capacity...
Expected final power output: 480ps @ 7,200rpm, 58.0kg/m @ 5,200rpm.
c) Other specs of note are the "semi-wet sump" (as opposed to the dry sump originally quoted) and the aluminium spaceframe, steel cabin and bulk usage of carbon throughout.
http://img61.exs.cx/img61/1875/3gtrpic1.jpg
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Thanks to Rezz @ Skyline Australia.
2005 GT-R Concept
After 3 solid years of speculation, CG concepts by Nissan design teams – not to mention the plethora of CG images produced by Nissan fans - we will get the final word from Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn regarding the Next GT-R. The 39th Tokyo Motor Show (Oct 19 – Nov 6, 2005) will be the venue where all the speculation and rumors stop when the 2005 GT-R Concept vehicle is uncovered.
Without a doubt the main feature at the 39th Tokyo Motor Show will be the Next GT-R. No other single vehicle has caused as much hype amongst the international Nissan fan base as this car. Nissan have been watching the international reaction to various rumors, spy photos, concept drawings and the like, and will take it upon themselves to officially state the Next GT-R’s design, new components and capabilities, aim of the car, and price. Nissan may even answer the question that’s confused a number of enthusiasts up until now: the chassis designation. Whether it’s UA-CPV35 GT-R, or due to the ’07 release date, UA-CPV36 GT-R, or another chassis code altogether, Nissan will need to explain why, if the GT-R is to drop it’s connection with the Skyline, would they need to incorporate the Skyline’s traditional four round tail lights.
Sources in Japan have already scooped the Next GT-R’s FR transaxle, twin motor-assisted turbos and ‘e-4WD’ – drive to the front wheels provided by electric motors powered by Lithium batteries. All these mechanisms are unique to the Next GT-R and will lead the way for other car manufacturers to make use of such technological advances in their own vehicle line-ups. One hotly contested feature of the Next GT-R is it’s rumored engine, the VQ32DETT. International speculation has sprouted all sorts of configurations: N/A and turbo V8’s, large capacity V6’s, even rebirth of the legendary RB26DETT. But no other engine configuration has been quoted more times in Japan than the 3.2 liter V6 twin turbo.
The rumored VQ32DETT engine has been developed in conjunction with Cosworth (UK) and the basic design of the V6 twin turbo – in 3.0 liter guise - has seen two full seasons already in the Japanese JGTC (Japan GT Championship) racing series, which VQ powered cars have won consecutively in the last two years. The rigors of JGTC racing and advances in turbo design should put to rest any doubts about a twin turbo V6 configuration not being able to withstand the treatment expected from a US market not familiar with a top level performance turbo offering from Nissan. The concern over how the US market would receive a medium capacity V6 turbo powered GT car from Nissan has brought forth all kinds of rumored engine configurations, none of which have had any mention within the Japanese media for at least two years. It seems practically all the rumors regarding engines other than the VQ32DETT have originated from the very market that is concerned about the reliability of a turbo V6 powered GT car from Nissan (or in the North American market, Infiniti) as opposed to the supposedly better reliability a larger capacity naturally aspirated engine of similar output could offer.
Much importance has been placed on the effective use of underbody aerodynamics, as well as keeping a clean, muscular shape devoid of any large spoilers which were such a signature of the superseded R34 Skyline GT-R. Twenty-inch alloy wheels and a mix of carbon fiber (bonnet, seat frames, drive shafts, rear diffusers) and aluminum (roof, door panels, rear tailgate) will also feature on a car that is every bit as exotic as it is technologically advanced. The disappointment felt by Japanese Nissan enthusiasts about the controversial tail lights of the V35 Skyline Sedan upon it’s release back in 2001 – no trademark circular lights or ‘hotplates’ – has seen Nissan make a complete about face… even releasing the V35 Skyline Sedan Series II with circular LED arrays to try and convince the Japanese domestic market that they haven’t forsaken the Skyline heritage. What this means is that despite the multitude of CG images gracing the internet and magazines all sporting slightly weak attempts at ‘hotplate’ tail light designs, the Next GT-R will definitely include the four round tail lights that have become the defining feature of the GT-R since the early 1970’s… even though Carlos Ghosn has hinted that the Next GT-R won’t be associated with the Skyline range anymore.
The motto of the Next GT-R that has been thrown around more than a few times amongst the Japanese media is ‘More Super-Sports than you can imagine’. You can be sure that Nissan won’t disappoint this time around, as so many Nissan enthusiasts in Japan have expressed their disapproval of the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show Concept GT-R. Look for more details to come to light as October approaches straight from Japan… so it certainly will be an exciting year for GT-R enthusiasts the world over. Expect to see the Next GT-R released in December 2007.
In addition, I found this snippet about a possible mid-level Infiniti sports car. Could be a coupe version of the M45, which would be a nice way to undercut the BMW 6-Series and MB CL/SL.
Mega Nissan On Starting Line
The Skyline's the limit with Nissan's latest sports car. Boosted by the success of its 350Z coupé, plans are underway for another sensational car described by insiders as "for adrenaline junkies."
Destined to slot in between future versions of the Z and the powerhouse GT-R, the newcomer will aim to combine the best elements of both its siblings. That means the style and usability of the former, plus the superb grip and handling of the latter.
It will sit on an all-new platform shared between the three models, while the styling will take elements from the Skyline GT-R concept displayed at the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show, and the Infiniti G35 which is sold in the US and Japan.
Power may come from a naturally aspirated version of the large-capacity V8 shown in the Skyline prototype. Although not due until 2008, the car could be the first UK model to wear the Infiniti badge, distinguishing it from regular Nissan products.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=53770
Various Photoshops
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gtr_lover
03-31-2004, 08:08 PM
yes well, this has been discussed fairly well in many forums.
http://gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20142
That should give a few some answers on brakes, steering, transmission suspicion and body work among other things to be in the "next gtr.":)
http://gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20142
That should give a few some answers on brakes, steering, transmission suspicion and body work among other things to be in the "next gtr.":)
Rage of Xenin
04-14-2004, 07:13 AM
unless Japan changes its law, its not gonna produce more than 280hp.
Doughnutdemon
04-14-2004, 02:31 PM
It's not a law, it's an "agreement" among manufacturers.
Rage of Xenin
04-14-2004, 04:09 PM
well, whatever it is, i doubt the next GTR will pass 280hp, unless Nissan "hides" it again.
VQuick
04-14-2004, 09:04 PM
unless Japan changes its law, its not gonna produce more than 280hp.
The number is 280ps, or metric horsepower, rather than brake horsepower. The agreement was about horsepower ratings, rather than actual power output.
The GT-Rs have been rated at 276hp. However, successive generations have gone on to be more powerful. The R34 GT25-T already produced '276hp.' Do you really think the GT-R made just as much power? Some speculate that its true output is as much as 340hp.
Nissan's VQ25DET engine already produces '276hp,' possibly more. It would only be reasonable to assume that the VQ30DET produces even more power.
The Acura NSX in the US already produces 290hp. It would be logical to assume that Honda's faster versions in Japan such as the Type-S and Type-R produce even more power.
The US-spec JZA80 Toyota Supra produces 320hp stock, and it is doubful that the Japanese model produces any less.
The same situation and numbers apply to Mitsubishi's 3000GT and GTO.
Rumors abound that manufacturers will begin to bypass the agreement that limited horsepower ratings to 280ps.
The number is 280ps, or metric horsepower, rather than brake horsepower. The agreement was about horsepower ratings, rather than actual power output.
The GT-Rs have been rated at 276hp. However, successive generations have gone on to be more powerful. The R34 GT25-T already produced '276hp.' Do you really think the GT-R made just as much power? Some speculate that its true output is as much as 340hp.
Nissan's VQ25DET engine already produces '276hp,' possibly more. It would only be reasonable to assume that the VQ30DET produces even more power.
The Acura NSX in the US already produces 290hp. It would be logical to assume that Honda's faster versions in Japan such as the Type-S and Type-R produce even more power.
The US-spec JZA80 Toyota Supra produces 320hp stock, and it is doubful that the Japanese model produces any less.
The same situation and numbers apply to Mitsubishi's 3000GT and GTO.
Rumors abound that manufacturers will begin to bypass the agreement that limited horsepower ratings to 280ps.
gtr_lover
04-16-2004, 09:27 PM
VQuick, straightforward and blunt with the real facts is what car forums ARE really about, you just summed it perfectly. :smokin: :)
VQuick
05-08-2004, 10:57 PM
Bump for update! More info from Autoweek.
VQuick
05-15-2004, 07:00 PM
This isn't really GT-R info, per se, but it's about the VQ motor, so I figured I'd make a separate post for it.
Looks like the motor is stronger than a lot of us thought. Here's some excerpts from a post about AEBS's VQ stroker kit made at My350Z.com...
Paulus said the VQ block is are stronger then the supra turbo blocks although they are full floating cylinders...
For instance, the Honda NSX has only 0.140 inches of material between the first two connecting rod bearing journals, and at high horsepower above 1000 it breaks at this junction. Two of current high profile drag racers in the import scene have been battling this problem. The v-6 Toyotas and GM's have this problem too. The Nissan VQ35 does not have this problem at this junction because it is 0.710 inches thick between the first two connection rod journals...
The Nissan VQ35 block is constructed from a high pressure die casting procedure and it consists from high density Aluminum using 4 bolt mains with a longitudinal girdle to support the main caps. With the AEBS sleeves, you can push over 1500 horsepower easily. These sleeve designs are exclusive to AEBS since they own the U.S. Patten rights. Imagine this, AEBS has pushed 1200 horsepower on 4 cylinder 2.2 liter prelude motors with similar designed blocks and sleeves. On top on that, the Honda Prelude block do not even have 4 bolt mains.
The funny thing is, this is just the normal production VQ. Apparently, it isn't strong enough for Nissan, because they supposedly commissioned Cosworth to build an even stronger version for the GT-R. It looks like the VQ will not only match the RB in tunability, but could possibly exceed it. :eek2:
Looks like the motor is stronger than a lot of us thought. Here's some excerpts from a post about AEBS's VQ stroker kit made at My350Z.com...
Paulus said the VQ block is are stronger then the supra turbo blocks although they are full floating cylinders...
For instance, the Honda NSX has only 0.140 inches of material between the first two connecting rod bearing journals, and at high horsepower above 1000 it breaks at this junction. Two of current high profile drag racers in the import scene have been battling this problem. The v-6 Toyotas and GM's have this problem too. The Nissan VQ35 does not have this problem at this junction because it is 0.710 inches thick between the first two connection rod journals...
The Nissan VQ35 block is constructed from a high pressure die casting procedure and it consists from high density Aluminum using 4 bolt mains with a longitudinal girdle to support the main caps. With the AEBS sleeves, you can push over 1500 horsepower easily. These sleeve designs are exclusive to AEBS since they own the U.S. Patten rights. Imagine this, AEBS has pushed 1200 horsepower on 4 cylinder 2.2 liter prelude motors with similar designed blocks and sleeves. On top on that, the Honda Prelude block do not even have 4 bolt mains.
The funny thing is, this is just the normal production VQ. Apparently, it isn't strong enough for Nissan, because they supposedly commissioned Cosworth to build an even stronger version for the GT-R. It looks like the VQ will not only match the RB in tunability, but could possibly exceed it. :eek2:
VQuick
06-01-2004, 11:06 AM
Bump for update! More pics!
ZedEx
06-06-2004, 11:32 PM
Most of those pics are computer generated 3D MDL's. I've designed what I think the new R35 Skyline should look like. I like mine better :D
Anyone can make these models, just spend about 12grand on some programs like Maya, or FormZ RadioZity.
Luckily my brother is an architect, and he got me some free copies from his office...
Anyways, I dont care what the R35 look's like... Because Im still getting one. Haha
-Wes
Anyone can make these models, just spend about 12grand on some programs like Maya, or FormZ RadioZity.
Luckily my brother is an architect, and he got me some free copies from his office...
Anyways, I dont care what the R35 look's like... Because Im still getting one. Haha
-Wes
Braille-Head
06-13-2004, 09:46 PM
THing is..IF the start making Lines in the U.S ( cept The G35)..ITs gonna suck ass...cause then having a R32 and 33 is gonna be nothing special anymore..part of the reason we get these cars is cause handfull of people have them.
I will add..alot of the new "35"'s models look like a GTO :(
I will add..alot of the new "35"'s models look like a GTO :(
VQuick
06-13-2004, 10:08 PM
THing is..IF the start making Lines in the U.S ( cept The G35)..ITs gonna suck ass...cause then having a R32 and 33 is gonna be nothing special anymore..part of the reason we get these cars is cause handfull of people have them.
I will add..alot of the new "35"'s models look like a GTO :(
People in the US have wanted Skylines, more specifically the GT-R, for years. We finally get some of the lesser models, along with the promise of the best performing GT-R ever and now you're complaining?
Make up your mind.
I will add..alot of the new "35"'s models look like a GTO :(
People in the US have wanted Skylines, more specifically the GT-R, for years. We finally get some of the lesser models, along with the promise of the best performing GT-R ever and now you're complaining?
Make up your mind.
want a supra
06-15-2004, 02:09 AM
well i've seen the new skyline,it like the infiniti g35 coupe.
ahttp://www.nissan.co.jp/EN/lineup.htmlt
ahttp://www.nissan.co.jp/EN/lineup.htmlt
VQuick
06-15-2004, 11:16 AM
That isn't the GT-R.
ZedEx
06-15-2004, 06:36 PM
Look it doesnt matter anyways, in 2013 R32 GTR's can start being imported legally, without any modification... (who think the R35 will be out by then?) I personally if not satisfied with the R35, will just import an R32 GTR. In my opinion.
-Wes
-Wes
smokeurass
06-17-2004, 03:29 PM
by that time gasoline will be depleted (prolly)....we will have the hydro engines by then...
ZedEx
06-17-2004, 04:49 PM
... I say we all move to Francium Water reactive engines!
FR + H2O --> FH2 RO
Or in other words... Very expandable reaction.
Francium is the most reactive alkalide metals, with water. The reaction is greater than fire with gasoline.
Im sure someone else has thought of this, that is why I am not pursuing the idea... :D
-Wes
FR + H2O --> FH2 RO
Or in other words... Very expandable reaction.
Francium is the most reactive alkalide metals, with water. The reaction is greater than fire with gasoline.
Im sure someone else has thought of this, that is why I am not pursuing the idea... :D
-Wes
smokeurass
06-17-2004, 04:58 PM
mazda already has a hydro...i cant remember what they said, something like the turbo will spool at a real low rpm, and will be working like a regular turbo when reaching rpm limit.
VQuick
06-23-2004, 10:34 AM
Bump for update!
New badging info, that makes quite a bit of sense. :iceslolan
New badging info, that makes quite a bit of sense. :iceslolan
firefighter0143
06-27-2004, 06:18 PM
geez......nismo,vielside,do-luck----is gonna have a hard time tryna make a body kit for this car..
i hope they have some rb conversions thats possible for it
i hope they have some rb conversions thats possible for it
VQuick
06-27-2004, 07:02 PM
geez......nismo,vielside,do-luck----is gonna have a hard time tryna make a body kit for this car..
Of course they will. No one knows what it even looks like yet. Chill out.
i hope they have some rb conversions thats possible for it
I hope you're prepared to deal with less torque, more weight, worse weight distribution...and possibly even less tunability as a result.
Of course they will. No one knows what it even looks like yet. Chill out.
i hope they have some rb conversions thats possible for it
I hope you're prepared to deal with less torque, more weight, worse weight distribution...and possibly even less tunability as a result.
VQuick
07-15-2004, 03:28 PM
Bump for update! Three new chops, and an article from Webwombat.
feenix z
07-15-2004, 08:54 PM
I dont know if someone already said this, but the horse power "agreement" has been lifted in japan s alll limits are off. Also, latest Road and Track says they spotted a new skyline ripping around hethel, england, so we can guess lotus is tuning the suspension (someone may have adressed that too). Well, i guess thats all I've got to say.
VQuick
07-16-2004, 02:19 PM
Another update. August '04 Road and Track scan featuring the Opel Signum concept chop and some info about Lotus and Cosworth's collaboration on the GT-R.
SubaruImprezaYM
07-17-2004, 04:02 PM
pitiful this car looks so ugly :screwy: :mad: :banghead: :nono: :2cents: :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :disappoin
tazdev
07-17-2004, 06:03 PM
how can you say something is ugly when it doesn't actually exist at the moment?
all pics etc. are still only concept pics and will no doubt differ from the final version of the GTR whe it comes out.
all pics etc. are still only concept pics and will no doubt differ from the final version of the GTR whe it comes out.
feenix z
07-17-2004, 06:39 PM
The concepts and computer renderings have thus far been pretty weak. Maybe if they had stuck close to the design of the last three skylines we'd have something everyone could agree on. Oh well, 450 bhp will make the styling a moot point.
skylineGTR_Guy
07-20-2004, 02:36 PM
I remember there being a rumor going around about them using an anti lag system developed by Garrett. Garrett is owned by Honeywell, and I found this on Honeywells website, It could just be a coincidence but you never know....
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/untitled.JPG
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/untitled.JPG
skylineGTR_Guy
07-22-2004, 05:04 AM
Thanks to Rezz at skylinesaustralia for this!
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/35.jpg
Here it talks of the next GT-Rs driveline... rear wheels driven by the VQ32DETT through a driveshaft, and the front wheels driven by an electric motor. Hi-tech...
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/36.jpg
e-4WD... thats the replacement for ATESSA. Basically, the e-4WD system comes in the moment traction is lost in the rear wheels, with torque bias always to the rear. The timing, torque allowance etc is all finely tuned to assist cornering and turn-in. This really is the next phase of performance 4WD engineering. The front motor is supplied power by a Lithium battery which is recharged by a generator feeding off the VQ32DETT. My Japanese ability isn't that good, but I believe the motor-assisted turbos are fed from the Lithium battery aswell. Thats the pic of the Lithium battery above (the grey flat panel thing).
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/37.jpg
Sorry, the pics a little blurry, but here is a list of Carbon and Aluminium parts to be used in the next GT-R:
Carbon - Bonnet, Driveshaft, Rear diffuser and Seat frames
Aluminium - Roof, Suspension arms, Rear tailgate and Door panels.
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/38.jpg
Basically a pic of the GT500 engine, the next GT-R will have a slightly less peaky/powerful and more driveable version of this very engine.
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/39.jpg
Nissan/Nismo in colaboration with Cosworth tuned 3.2L V6 Twin Turbo with an estimated 470+ hp.
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/40.jpg
The VQ32DETT compared to the (current) top of the line VQ35DE. The main VQ32DETT differences comprise of: 3.2L capacity, dry sump, twin throttle bodies, Twin motor-assisted (spool up) turbos, NDIS Direct Ignition and separate intake manifold for each cylinder bank.
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/41.jpg
another CG pic They're calling it "Hybrid Supersports" and a "V35 bodied GT-R Prototype" has been spotted testing at a closed session at Nurburgring in Germany.
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/35.jpg
Here it talks of the next GT-Rs driveline... rear wheels driven by the VQ32DETT through a driveshaft, and the front wheels driven by an electric motor. Hi-tech...
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/36.jpg
e-4WD... thats the replacement for ATESSA. Basically, the e-4WD system comes in the moment traction is lost in the rear wheels, with torque bias always to the rear. The timing, torque allowance etc is all finely tuned to assist cornering and turn-in. This really is the next phase of performance 4WD engineering. The front motor is supplied power by a Lithium battery which is recharged by a generator feeding off the VQ32DETT. My Japanese ability isn't that good, but I believe the motor-assisted turbos are fed from the Lithium battery aswell. Thats the pic of the Lithium battery above (the grey flat panel thing).
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/37.jpg
Sorry, the pics a little blurry, but here is a list of Carbon and Aluminium parts to be used in the next GT-R:
Carbon - Bonnet, Driveshaft, Rear diffuser and Seat frames
Aluminium - Roof, Suspension arms, Rear tailgate and Door panels.
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/38.jpg
Basically a pic of the GT500 engine, the next GT-R will have a slightly less peaky/powerful and more driveable version of this very engine.
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/39.jpg
Nissan/Nismo in colaboration with Cosworth tuned 3.2L V6 Twin Turbo with an estimated 470+ hp.
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/40.jpg
The VQ32DETT compared to the (current) top of the line VQ35DE. The main VQ32DETT differences comprise of: 3.2L capacity, dry sump, twin throttle bodies, Twin motor-assisted (spool up) turbos, NDIS Direct Ignition and separate intake manifold for each cylinder bank.
http://skyline.lymz.us/upload/41.jpg
another CG pic They're calling it "Hybrid Supersports" and a "V35 bodied GT-R Prototype" has been spotted testing at a closed session at Nurburgring in Germany.
VQuick
07-22-2004, 10:40 AM
Thanks for posting this! I caught your post at Freshalloy, and was about to update the thread.
skylineGTR_Guy
07-22-2004, 01:28 PM
No problem, I'm always on the lookout for more info :)
bakergtr
07-23-2004, 09:32 AM
one thing i have noticed about the pics is that they all follow the same "hatchback" style body, isnt a skyline a jap 4 seat super coupe/saloon and not some european hatch with a big engine? those guys should have thought harder before producing them pics!:nono::2cents:
VQuick
07-23-2004, 11:52 AM
one thing i have noticed about the pics is that they all follow the same "hatchback" style body, isnt a skyline a jap 4 seat super coupe/saloon and not some european hatch with a big engine? those guys should have thought harder before producing them pics!:nono::2cents:
The current Skyline sedan is a four door.
The current Skyline coupe is a 2+2 coupe with a trunk, or 'boot,' since you're in the UK ;)...not a hatch. The 350/Fairlady Z is a hatch.
The GT-R's have been two door 2+2 coupes, based off of the Skyline coupe. The same will probably hold true for the next GT-R.
The current Skyline sedan is a four door.
The current Skyline coupe is a 2+2 coupe with a trunk, or 'boot,' since you're in the UK ;)...not a hatch. The 350/Fairlady Z is a hatch.
The GT-R's have been two door 2+2 coupes, based off of the Skyline coupe. The same will probably hold true for the next GT-R.
bakergtr
07-23-2004, 12:00 PM
yeah, i should have said that the photoshopped r35 pics looked like hatches, my mistake!
VQuick
09-09-2004, 06:29 PM
Another update, albeit a small one. A new photo of the original GT-R concept.
VQuick
09-15-2004, 08:07 PM
Another update! An article from Skylines Australia, and a brief article from the GTROC, with a photo of "Mr. GT-R" himself, Hiroshi Tamura.
VQuick
09-24-2004, 04:05 PM
Another update. Two new chops at the bottom.
VQuick
12-01-2004, 09:22 PM
Bump for a long overdue update!
Skyline Australia provided the November 2004 Holiday Auto mag update. The engine has been finalized unofficially: A 3.2L V6, electronically assisted twin turbo. The car will be based on the FR-L platform, a newer FM variant.
Skyline Australia provided the November 2004 Holiday Auto mag update. The engine has been finalized unofficially: A 3.2L V6, electronically assisted twin turbo. The car will be based on the FR-L platform, a newer FM variant.
Amril
12-02-2004, 05:01 AM
and the jap car industry has decided to scrap it's 280hp gentlemens agreement
VQuick
12-03-2004, 08:48 PM
That makes sense. They weren't really following it anyway(in terms of outputs, not ratings).
VQuick
02-25-2005, 08:19 PM
Bump for an update, and boy, is it a good one!
ZedEx
02-25-2005, 09:58 PM
... Ok, we're waiting... :D
-Wes
-Wes
VQuick
02-25-2005, 10:50 PM
For the article? Umm, I posted it. It's the last one.
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