Racing w/ automatic

I don't know what its called though I know a couple of people that do this. They rev their auto to about 5K RPM on nuetral than they shift it down to Gear 1. Then up shift to 2 then 3 then to D. Any knowledge on this, the pros and cons. Wouldn't that break the transmission?

neutral droping is rreeaalllyyy bad for auto tranny's ..

I would think so also.

I have an Automatic...When i race i go from D1 to D2 and it gives me 2000 hours power...Probly not the best idea but thats how i do it...

Doing the nuetral drop will kill your auto real fast and is not a good idea! Giung from D1 to D2 is called power shifting and is fine but still not doing your car any favors without a reinforced transmission. My advice leave the autos to the daily driver and get yourself a 5spd.

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get an auto-to-manual conversion. Probably cheaper than just screwin up your auto tranny

my cousin totally blew his transmission in his 98 accord doing a neutral drop....ONCE. don't do it, its dumb and all you'd benefit from it is spinning your wheels

I'm REALLY glad I read this thread. I've done a neutral drop from about 3,000 rpm once in my Camry, and the car made a really awful noise. I'm never doing that again :o

Glad to hear that there are people doing this which is bad. I put it this way mess up the auto then do the manual swap.

i got a question...it still probly messes up the tranny but when i'm at a stop light i'll put the car in neutral so i don't have to hold the brakes n then when the light turns green i'll put it in drive n b4 it catches i'll push the accelerator..i don't floor it or even push it that hard and i'll spin out a lil..it's bad right cause i do it on accident a lot and i don't really mean to.. lol

dont do that, just use your brakes..thats obviously grinding something in the transmission

i've never even tried using the different drive modes in my automatic. how do i know when to shift between them?

are you people deaf? THERE'S NO REASON TO SWITCH BETWEEN THESE DRIVES. IT'S AN AUTOMATIC AND STOP THINKING IT'S NOT! Jesus christ man, there is absolutely no benefit from doing this.

so you're saying that there is no difference between drive 1, 2, and 3? well then,why the hell are they there?

wow...

ok those lower drives are there so your car is restricted from going into a higher gear, for say, when you're IN THE SNOW...you can get into a higher RPM when you're in say 2, because you're engine wont go past 2nd gear. jesus man what are you 14? can you drive yet?

dude looking at your car and your specs i WILL NOT sit here and argue with you. by the way that's a really cool picture of you...really the kind of thing you'd want in your AUTOMOTIVE FORUMS profile. maybe i'll post some pics of myself too!

um, ok, just because i can't afford high performance shit doesnt mean i don't know my shit. and i mean come on, its common fucking sense my friend.

by the way that avatar is for pretty much everything i use online. the reason im using it is a) its the right file size b) right dimension
and why should i have to explain this? i'm not the only one here with their own picture, at least i got the balls to say who i am, and not to hide their fat ass from being criticized like im sure most people do.

edit: oh yeah and i forgot to mention, "you must know it all because of your invader kit and dc headers" haha you try and put me down and look at your "mods"

look i didn't mean you can't afford performance shit i was just giving you shit about ur carbon fiber altezzas. and by the way the invader front piece actually looks pretty good on my car, and i wasn't specific - the front piece is invader and the sides and back are wings west. but as i said earlier i'm not gonna sit here and do this so you can post as many responses as you want if you need to get the last word but this is no longer about cars so i WILL NOT be reading them.

lol, whatever man, i think they look good on my car, but anyways...

ok those lower drives are there so your car is restricted from going into a higher gear, for say, when you're IN THE SNOW...you can get into a higher RPM when you're in say 2, because you're engine wont go past 2nd gear. jesus man



lol he's right

thank you..

Well I say you guys made up. Back to the subject, many of the people I know have to start from 1 then shift to 2 then 3 then D. The reason to this is the car will not shift on its own when your racing it. Im saying that on a Ready SET "GOOOO" When you stomp on the gas the car will just rev hard and start bouncing on the rev limiter. So just from personal experience you need to start from 1 cause your car would not shift on the high RPM with an AUTO.

well then there must be something wrong with their transmission, in that case, all you probably have to do is let off on the gas for a second, just like as if you were shifting a manual transmission.

I have never driven an auto Honda powered vehicle, but I had a Z24 (I know...I know) and a Mazda 323 that were autos. When I used the lower gears then shifted, it was like having a shift kit. Instant shifts. The Z24 would chirp in 2. Was actually kinda cool. The Mazda didn't shift as quickly, but was a lot quicker than in D. So the only benefits I can see by manual shifting in an auto, is to get the car into gear quicker.

I have never driven an auto Honda powered vehicle, but I had a Z24 (I know...I know) and a Mazda 323 that were autos. When I used the lower gears then shifted, it was like having a shift kit. Instant shifts. The Z24 would chirp in 2. Was actually kinda cool. The Mazda didn't shift as quickly, but was a lot quicker than in D. So the only benefits I can see by manual shifting in an auto, is to get the car into gear quicker.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, my Integra is an automatic, and if I just slam it in D4 off the line with a brake torque launch, it shifts at about 500 below the redline. If I start on 1, I can "powershift" to 2 and it chirps if I do it right, you have to let off the gas right when you are moving the "shifter" into to and then floor it again, and it is almost an instantaneous shift and a lot harder shift than the D4 shifting, for some reason..I bet its a lot harder on the tranny though, but I only use that when I'm racing someone. And it sounds just like a manual when you let off the gas right before you shift, it may seem ricey, but its necessary to get the chirp! Yes, I was called a ricer for doing that :)

idk about you guys..but it seems a lot faster when i stay in drive in my teg...and smell idk maybe it's cause i adjusted it a lil or maybe it's not but mine shifts at 100-150 below redline if not redline when i gun it...also it was like this b4 i adjusted it but mine chirped from 1st to 2nd already w/ out the racing shift..i'm not sayin my car is bad ass cause you got an intake plus a newer car while i have jus a filter and no muffler (haha very ricey but i'm workin on a muffler) i'm jus sayin i think it's quicker w/out all that shifting jus leave it for what it was made for and gun it in D..and in case you want to adjust your shift points too all i did was remove the slack from the throttle cable and gave it better response and i guess it changed the shift points too... i got it from this http://vamp.darkravers.net/DIYImprovingThrottleResponse.cfm

Well when i race i go from D4 to D3 and it kickes up to 3000 RPM, thats just how i do it...i won a couple of races...lol...

maybe it's cause you guys got newer tegs, but when i tried doin all this the other day i had a hard time...first my car doesn't have a D1, the lowest is D2. then it has this weird shit i never saw before where it's like the S drive. has both 3rd and 4th gear, it's like S3 and S4 when you shift up it goes into 3rd and then you have to push a button to go in 4th and then you shift up another one to D.. idk that probly wouldn't matter i probly jus suck at shifting w/ an auto lol but i have to wait longer to shift from 2nd to 3rd so i jus stick w/ D

ok the first off the second gen has only 4 gears ok. the change in speed you may feel from s4 to D is the tourque converter changing stall speed. second off there is nothing wrong with an auto tranny. i know someone in a second gen GS with I/E and put down a 15.2. you just gotta know how to drive it. second if your racing a 1/4 you shouldnt go into 4th unless you got serious power. keep it in 3rd the whole way. for you 3rd gens i would put it in 3 and power brake it to 3k and let off the brake and go. now for you 2nd gens i would recomend doing the same but put in s3 and again dont switch to s4. just floor it and dont let off the throttle. now i dont know about you but when i power brake i cant get up to 3k. maybe 2500. now thats what i recomend take it for what its worth. oh and yes an manual is faster blahblahblahblahblah ive heard it all. only 15% powertrain loss compared to 20% on an auto. whatever all im saying is dont knock an auto cause someday one of em is gonna bite you on the ass.

thats my .02

i still think you won't benefit from this "power shifting" I just can't see how it would make any difference.

And as for these shift points, if I floor it, my gears shift at almost redline, if I'm normally driving, it shifts at 3500 or so, and if I have it between the two it shifts at about 5000

ok the first off the second gen has only 4 gears ok. the change in speed you may feel from s4 to D is the tourque converter changing stall speed. second off there is nothing wrong with an auto tranny. i know someone in a second gen GS with I/E and put down a 15.2. you just gotta know how to drive it. second if your racing a 1/4 you shouldnt go into 4th unless you got serious power. keep it in 3rd the whole way. for you 3rd gens i would put it in 3 and power brake it to 3k and let off the brake and go. now for you 2nd gens i would recomend doing the same but put in s3 and again dont switch to s4. just floor it and dont let off the throttle. now i dont know about you but when i power brake i cant get up to 3k. maybe 2500. now thats what i recomend take it for what its worth. oh and yes an manual is faster blahblahblahblahblah ive heard it all. only 15% powertrain loss compared to 20% on an auto. whatever all im saying is dont knock an auto cause someday one of em is gonna bite you on the ass.

thats my .02


i don't get this power braking thing...so you push the brakes til it gets to maybe 3k and gun it again...why would you hit the brakes while racing? would that not slow you down?

what i think he means is when you're at a stop, but thats just gunna wear your brake pads down probably 50% faster than normal. doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

no. while sitting before the light hold brak down and rev. when light turns or right before let off brake and floor it. it doesnt harm your pads your not moving. it put strain on the system but not terrible. everyone ive ever talked to that doesnt have a powerhouse auto (which do exist) uses this method and it seems to work. if you have a bomb proof tranny nuetrol pops work. but still wouldnt recomend it.

Well as for me it must be the brakes cause I can't keep my car down doing that brake thing. My car I guess has too much power for this. Though this past week end it looks as if when I start off on "2" then shift to "3" then to "D" I feel the most power. Starting from "1" doesn't do a good job. Just to let you know.

ok i cant get past 1500 while holding the brake down.

My 97 was a auto and i did power shift when i raced. It really helped out alot chirping 2nd, sh!t i even got i to chirp 3rd once. I would always shift right before redline. But over time when i stoped power shifting i noticed a change in racing it. Thats when i floored it, it would actually go right up to redline and change. Everyone that rode with me thought it was crazy, i just thought it was me wearing away my tranny. But it doesn't matter anymore cause the car is gone.

No the 90 5 speed will take its place.

first off, to be more specific, neutral drop kills the clutch (and if you say an auto doesn't have a clutch find a website that explains how an auto tranny works and then reply). Second, besides the powertrain loss difference, a stick car can be launched at a higher rpm than an auto (unless you have a stall converter).

defmusik--stop arguing with them...ignorance is bliss....

haha. thank you same for clearing this up, yet they will still complain with you now.

Oh well keep racing the automatic. Until you swap it out

Is their a loss of love to race with an automatic???

Well I finally did some major racing with this automatic and boy did I kick some a$$. Many other racers thought I had a standard trans for some reason. My car is a show car so I was still racing with my complete ground kit sounds and my chrome wheels. I didn't do any neutral drops cause I am taking the advice of you experienced neutral droppers. I did however used the brake method when you hold in your brakes and rev to about 3200. TKS for the replys, and always remember

FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS DRIVE STOCK

good for you.

auto tranny's suk so i wouldn't screw with one just get the 5 speed conversion, but it is going to be pricy thoses trannys arent cheap

theres nothing wrong with auto it just is less likely for an auto to modified to be fast. but if your in the 500hp+ range auto is the way to go.

auto tranny's suk so i wouldn't screw with one just get the 5 speed conversion, but it is going to be pricy thoses trannys arent cheap

you my friend are a moron, if you think an manual transmission is more expensive than an automatic. Yeah, a swap from an auto is gunna cost some serious money, mainly because you have so much work to do, inside the engine bay and inside the car, but if you were looking at just transmissions, you'll never find an auto tranny cheaper than a standard.

Thats correct auto tranny is more money.

How much would it cost for parts and labor to do a 5 spd tranny swap (from an autotragic) on a 94 4 door ls integra?

Just ballpark people.

LOL....

I did this with my first car (Accord) and after about a month the tranny blew... :cwm27: :lol:

ahah I do that stuff all the time!

shit neutral drop is just a baaaad idea theres a reason they put those steptronic autos in sport-lux cars. you're reeeeallly not supposed to treat the auto gears like manual ones, you can compare a neutral drop to flooring a stick car in neutral, then sliding your foot to the side off the clutch pedal so the clutch fuckin slams into the flywheel. terrible for the whole system

I have done 5 drops at one point in time from some stupid fiends advice though luckily I have an integra cars still great.

mine is a 95 ls auto integra, i did a couple race with my auto using those lower gear, I always put on 1 at red light then put my feet off the gas, shift to higher gear at redline. smoked a couple cars doing that.