5.0 Vs. 3000gt

stock 1991 5.0 Notch VS. V6 3000GT N/A with small mods (ie: exhaust)

street race

Mitsu...

yet another driver's race for the most part but my money is on the Mustang.

My friends' Integra, NA Talon, and a Escort ZX2 with Nitrous have all beat a newer NA 3000GT with a chip, so my vote goes to the Mustang. Less weight + More Power = Winner

yea the N/A 3kgt are not as fast as one thinks. I think a stang could get it.

I can't even believe this question is being asked. The N/A 3000GT is a 16 sec. car. The stock Notch SHOULD be a 14 sec car pretty easily.


Matt

the reason i ask is b/c this guy at school has one and everyone thinks its badass...and so does the driver he passes everyone he can, and according to him he can 'chirp the tires while passing someone" which i think is BS. and next school year im going to be putting in a 5.0 into my Notch. and was wondering which would be faster.

I can't even believe this question is being asked. The N/A 3000GT is a 16 sec. car. The stock Notch SHOULD be a 14 sec car pretty easily.


Matt

Only 16's? My brother wants to buy one of those. He wont fork out the little extra money for a vr-4 model. :loser:

VR4's are tanks, they weight close to 4000 lbs...

VR4's are tanks, they weight close to 4000 lbs...

Yeah but they are high 13 sec tanks.


Matt

All 3000GT's are tanks, I mean if they weigh more than mine they've gotta be. N/A's are incredibally slow, I mean honestly if a shitty N/A Talon-stock could beat it then damn.

All 3000GT's are tanks, I mean if they weigh more than mine they've gotta be. N/A's are incredibally slow, I mean honestly if a shitty N/A Talon-stock could beat it then damn.


i think the N/A's only weighed about 3300lbs whereas the VR4's weighed in at 3900-4000lbs. and hell i might be mistaking his car for a VR4, but his car doesnt sound like it has a turbo underneath the hood.

well it should say vr-4 on the back of the car or if you could get close to the car look under it. If it has AWD then it's a twin turbo vr-4 otherwise it's a n/a

either way, by this upcoming winter, i should be able to smoke him...i plan to get a 5.0, rebuild it w/ a 331 stroker kit, MAC x pipes long tube header, flows, unsure about h/i/c, completely new suspension/brakes, CAI, underdrive pullies, 3.73's in a 8.8 trac lock rear end, maybe even some juice but im still debating ...etc.

This is kind of random, but judging from your name, did you used to have a CRX?

This is kind of random, but judging from your name, did you used to have a CRX?


HELL NO



this is my brothers old name, if i find time ill make a new name.

Haha, just checking. Didn't mean to suggest such a blaphemous (although wiser) possibility. ;)

oh shit bro! my pony is 14 sec? i got a 91 5.0 lx with cobra body kit and ram air hood w/ram air kit and threw som bbk headers in it along with a bassani xpipe and all 2.5 cat back flowmaster exhaust system....im gonna finish it off with c&l mass air meter and tube and a bbk throttle body. wat do u think i run right now? and what do u think that the maf and throttle body will do in addition to my latest modifications? PLEASE if anyone has any other suggestions tell me i need to beat a 2000 GT soon!

I have a 94 GT conv. and I have raced a turbocharged talon and beat him so bad I was "jumpin" it down the track. If that 3000GT gets beat by an n/a talon... this is no contest AT ALL...

I had a 93 Mustang Limited Edition Convertible and I use to race 3000GT's all the time and had no problem smoking them Highway and dead stop

nevermind about my question, i just learned today the 3000GT got beat by a V6 4door maxima

high 16s????????? youre crazy a 3000gt base or SL runs mid to low 15s.

dude it dont matter the 3000 GT would get smoked by my uncles geo prism!

dude it dont matter the 3000 GT would get smoked by my uncles geo prism!

That was insightful :rolleyes:

Just for the guy who said they run low 15's, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL. I ran a best of 14.781, at around 6000Ft., and I would blow the doors off one.

Just for the guy who said they run low 15's, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL. I ran a best of 14.781, at around 6000Ft., and I would blow the doors off one.

I agree, I out ran one in an 86 Iroc with a 305 a few years ago, wasn't pretty.

the power roof gives the vr-4 away also

i think that's the meaning behind the slightly humorous "2.3 liter pumping out 105 stock horses!" message there. CRX, a truly crapfully awesome car.

The top-of-the-line USDM CRX engine is 1.6 that puts out 106. Still not very impressive, but better than a 2.3.

where did this just go?

I agree, I out ran one in an 86 Iroc with a 305 a few years ago, wasn't pretty.

OUCH!!!
:disappoin

BTW don't knock the mighty 2.3! (if it's the mighty Ford 2.3)

Oops. I thought redhorsev6 was talking about the CRX. Sorry about that. :twak:

on second look, maybe he was. I just see 2.3 and there's only one real engine that ever had that displacement.....

theres been 2 ford engines with 2.3, actually theres been a few of them. mine is from 91 and has the dual plug head. if you want to bash it then that is fine, i bash it everytime i drive my car. i literally cant even bark my tires if i launch as hard as i can. the only 2.3 that is noteworthy is the 2.3 turbo from old turbocoupes and svos.

I had a carbureted one in an '83 ranger 4x4 with a four-speed manual, and that motor took a serious beating! plus they love to use it in midget cars. I wanna say it got its start in a pinto....

where did this just go?

I don't know but Im glad Im not the only one lost?

dude it dont matter the 3000 GT would get smoked by my uncles geo prism!

I bet it would get smoked by your stock 5.0 with a dominator too, right? :rolleyes:

muscle over rice agian i love it

muscle over rice agian i love it

your comparing the top of the line mustang to the low range 3000GT

if it was a Stock VR4 spyder or 3000GT (same car just a different body) the 5.0 would lose by a good bit - mid 14's vs high 13's

Well a top of the line mustang with a 5.0 would be a Cobra. And I have yet seen a VR-4 stock run 13 anything. Mid to low 14's maybe but they ain't running 13's.

Just for the guy who said they run low 15's, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL. I ran a best of 14.781, at around 6000Ft., and I would blow the doors off one.

Aren't cobras supposed to be high 12 sec cars??

Anyway the vr4 weighs a little less than 3800 lbs while the baseline weighs less than 3300lbs.

03 cobras are 12 second cars, 99-01 were 13 second cars.

Well a top of the line mustang with a 5.0 would be a Cobra. And I have yet seen a VR-4 stock run 13 anything. Mid to low 14's maybe but they ain't running 13's.

A good driver can run high 13's in a vr-4 all day long with even a 13.5-6 pull or 3


so you basicly said that if you add 300lbs to a mach1 it wont see 13s?
Mach1 : VR-4
320HP@5800 : 320HP@6000
320TQ@4200 : 315TQ@2500 rpm
3469lbs : 3760lbs
13.2 1/4 : 13.5 1/4

so you basicly said that if you add 300lbs to a mach1 it wont see 13s?

A good driver can run high 13's in a vr-4 all day long with even a 13.5-6 pull or 3


so you basicly said that if you add 300lbs to a mach1 it wont see 13s?
Mach1 : VR-4
320HP@5800 : 320HP@6000
320TQ@4200 : 315TQ@2500 rpm
3469lbs : 3760lbs
13.2 1/4 : 13.5 1/4

so you basicly said that if you add 300lbs to a mach1 it wont see 13s?
First You started comparing the 5.0 to the VR-4, now your on the Mach 1. Make up your mind.

so you basicly said that if you add 300lbs to a mach1 it wont see 13s?

I have no idea where the hell that came from. I know you have better sense then to try to say that because their stats are similar their the same car. Well maybe you don't, let me enlighted you.

Your stats look pretty accurate, you just forgot one of the most important differences between these two.

Mach 1
baseprice $28,000

VR-4
baseprice $44,000

Now what idiot would go out and spend an extra $14,000 dollars for a heavier VR-4 when you can have a faster lighter Mach 1 for less money.
I mean besides you,:screwy: why would anyone do that. And just for the record you don't need a Mach 1 to beat a VR-4. You can take a stock 5.0 put heads on it and all of the other typical bolt ons and walk all over that VR-4 for a HELL of a lot less money if you wanna nit pick. So you can keep your overweight rice rocket. I'll take my stang any day.

"First You started comparing the 5.0 to the VR-4, now
your on the Mach 1. Make up your mind"
because you said a VR-4 cant run 13's so i comparied it to a Mustang with more similar specs then a 5.0

"Your stats look pretty accurate, you just forgot one of the most important differences between these two.

Mach 1
baseprice $28,000

VR-4
baseprice $44,000"

and in the price difference you also get AWD, power hard-top convertable, 6speed tranny, and 4-wheel stearing, tell me what mustang has all four of those options?

also that years the VR-4 ran the Cobra wasnt making as much power so the comparison wasnt really there till 1999

"Now what idiot would go out and spend an extra $14,000 dollars for a heavier VR-4 when you can have a faster lighter Mach 1 for less money"

the VR-4 was also ment to beable to have great road maners also not just 1/4 performance
mach1: .85g
vr-4: .90g


"take a stock 5.0 put heads on it and all of the other typical bolt ons and walk all over that VR-4 for a HELL of a lot less money if you wanna nit pick"

well now you comparing a car in NON stock form to a stock car, thats just stupid, with a boost controller and exaust you can have a VR-4 running high 12's, and would hand the stang its ass in the corners.

and if you wanna go the moded vs unmoded rout, i can get a used Escort ZX2, get it turbo'd and build and running steady low 12's for 13k total and both out handle and out run a 03 cobra for almost 1/3 the price, which makes buying the cobra look "stupid"


"overweight rice rocket. I'll take my stang any day."

a over prived rice rocket is a Civic Si, SVT Focus or a Sentra SE-R specV, Not to many people who know what they are talking about call the Supra, Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R, and 300zx,(all the other imports the VR-4 is comparable to)as 'rice'

This is your comparison not mine. Im into drag racing. I could care less about cornering. Why do all these rice guys keep comming here comparing there rice to american muscle. In case you havent noticed this is a mustang forum. If you wanna do this kind of comarison your in the wrong forum.

Supras, Skylines, the 300z (maybe a VR-4, maybe)although very respectable rides are still rice. Expensive rice but rice non the less. Dont start talking to me about an escort ZX2, Please. I ve said it once I'll say it again ESCORTS SUCK. I don't care how fast it is or how much money you've got wrapped up in it. At the end of the day an escort is still an escort and it still sucks.

Everytime we get into this kind of a debate we get into O my car can out handle a mustang in the corners. O really? Guess what who cares. If I was interested in a car that could do that I would own one. For the money and god for bid I had to choose a ricer it sure as hell ain't gonna be an overpriced heavy VR-4, civic si, or a nissan sentra se-r. And I aint buying no damn Escorts. If it had to be rice its gonna be something that looks good and has respectable stats.

Do you event own a VR-4? Why are you trying to sell me on something you don't even have. You keep telling me about this damn escort.

I don't want to turn this into a pissing match because that is what it is turning into. If you wanna go get your VR-4 go ahead. If I ever get interested in something besides drag racing I'll let you know.

you sir are an ignorant fool, rice is a civic with rims, kit system and just an intake and muffler, not high performance twin turbo v6

I care about VR-4's because my uncle owns a VR-4 Spyder.

and as for you "its an escort"
at teh end of the day your "5.0 with headers an basic bolt ons" is still a 10 yr old car. and the Escorts have less TSB's(10 vs 16) then the Cobras so your just an escort coments are worthless seeing how a car that is 15k fully loaded has less peoblems then a 35k Cobra

face it all your coments were uneducated and you dont know much about cars unless it has a horse on it

You own an escort, your posting in a MUSTANG forum about your uncles VR-4 (a vehicle you yourself don't own). And Im the fool????

As far as my rice comment is concerned thats a term I and many others in this forum tend to use to describe japanese cars. You don't like it, LEAVE.

And as far as your comparison of a $15K escort and a $35K Cobra. If there was ever a worthless argument....THIS IS IT. Don't whine because you can't have it. Besides anyone who spends that kind of money on an escort should have there head examined.

OH and by the way, yes your right. A 5.0 with basic bolt ons is still a ten year old car.....................and it will still kick the shit out of your 15K dollar escort.

Thats right buddy!! The only cool cars from across the creek are German. Why does that VR-4 need 4 wheel steering? You going to go off-road with it? Why does it need a retractable hardtop? Why does it need AWD? It doesn't. Eillob was dead-on when he said that anyone spending 15k on an escort needs their head-examined. You came in here with a point you wanted to make about cheap jap cars. Well your not getting anywhere with us bud, so find someone else to bother. You even had the balls to ruin our thread. This wasn't a general rice vs. muscle, it was a specific 3000GT vs 5.0 Notch, so why say we aren't comparing properly? It isn't our fault that the lame Mitsubishi would get slammed by a 5.0. :evillol:

^lol^ :loser:

[QUOTE=eillob]And as far as your comparison of a $15K escort and a $35K Cobra. If there was ever a worthless argument....THIS IS IT[QUOTE]

so your comparison of a 26k 5.0 vs a 44k VR-4 was any better? NO so your argument was just as worthless, the VR-4 was made for handeling and for straight performance and the mustang was behind the VR-4 in both untill 99

. Why does that VR-4 need 4 wheel steering? You going to go off-road with it? Why does it need a retractable hardtop? Why does it need AWD? It doesn't. Eillob was dead-on when he said that anyone spending 15k on an escort needs their head-examined

4-wheel stearing, because the car was also designed to be up todate and unice in handleling and cornering, if you thing 4-wheel steering is only for off road the you are a hick

retractable hard top because it again was ment to be uptodate and have stuff that not every car has - IE make it worht the price tag

AWD again for good perfoamnce, a good launch for inline perfomance and so that in slippery contitions it will handle better then your stang that can just have the rear slip out

and name me any dealer that carried a brand new ZX2 fully loaded for less then 15k, hell show me any place with a fully loaded focus for less then 15k a 04 zx3 (the cheapest model) with out options is 13,500.
anyone that pays 18,700 for a v6 stang that is only as quick as a Escort and is higher on gas and insurance needs their head-examined. or the people that pay like 40k for a slow ass ugly thunderbird are even more stupid

Well if I remember correctly this form was 5.0 vs 3000GT. You threw the VR-4 into the picture. Wrong place for this type of post but I entertained you anyway.

Now getting back to your comment. "The Mustang was behind the VR-4 until 99".

Ok................Now what. I won't argue that. For the additional $18K dollars you would have to spend to get the VR-4 it better. Your still preaching to the choir. Assuming I had to choose between a 99 GT or a 99 VR-4. I still wouldn't buy it because I think its a rip off. I can take a $28K mustang slap a supercharger on it redue the exhaust and destroy your VR-4 and still walk away with 13K in my pocket.

All of this is pointless when it comes to you because you have neither. Now do this, go look out in your driveway. You see that piece of crap parked out there? Its standing in the way of you getting laid. Quit making excuses for it and burn it, sell it, push it off of a cliff. Do whatever you gotta do to get rid it because this not getting laid thing is warping your thinking. Now stop sucking your uncles d*ck and buy a real car.

arguments like this give car guys a bad name. aren't we all in the same boat? so what if one car's better than the other. if you like it that's all that you should be concerned with. and just because you make fun of somebody else's car doesn't mean you disrespect their tastes and the choices they've made. even if it's rice, if a car's fast enough to be a street competitor, i'll respect it and its owner.

anyway, what are we doing resurrecting 4 month old threads? close this crap already....

and as for you "its an escort"
at teh end of the day your "5.0 with headers an basic bolt ons" is still a 10 yr old car.

Let me ask you a simple question what gets more looks and drool coming from people.... A sweet 5.0 Mustang with an exhuast rumbling by or a brand new escort? You know the answer so don't bother...


As for the rest of this thread you and the people you argueing with are both in the wrong here but you ZX2RDOTnet come in here and tend to start a lot of shit so either stop or stay out of the Mustang forum.


HiFlow close this when you get a chance.

no i came here to say that a stock VR-4 is faster then a stock 5.0 but for some reason people refuse to believe a import can be faster then a 5.0, read the past posts i didnt start this, the people that flamed the idea of a 5.0 losing to a TTv6 started it.

and hmmm 5.0 that ever other person has or a car they only made 2000 of? i'll take the rare car every time. performance straightline isnt everything, besides i can out handle any stock mustang (besides a cobra-R) in my stock Escort if i choose to.

I like to be different, you can see 20 or more mustangs in a day, but you can go months between seeing one S/R and another on the road.

Before this gets closed I'd like to put in my 2 cents. I have a 3000gt SL and it is just what I want in a car right now, a cheap used car that is a sports car (not to be mistaken with muscle) that is rare and looks better than a thousand mustangs or supras. The whole 5.0 vs 3000GT is a drivers race because they are very close no matter what anyone says, if both drivers are of equal skill the stang would take it, but not by enough to say "I smoked that 3000 lbs of rice" or some other snide remark. One big thing that hurts the base/SL 3000GT is the fact that it is a FWD car, which is just plain stupid if you ask me but other than that I love my car. Close this thread.

This is getting funnier every hour LOL

no i came here to say that a stock VR-4 is faster then a stock 5.0 but for some reason people refuse to believe a import can be faster then a 5.0, read the past posts i didnt start this, the people that flamed the idea of a 5.0 losing to a TTv6 started it.

and hmmm 5.0 that ever other person has or a car they only made 2000 of? i'll take the rare car every time. performance straightline isnt everything, besides i can out handle any stock mustang (besides a cobra-R) in my stock Escort if i choose to.

I like to be different, you can see 20 or more mustangs in a day, but you can go months between seeing one S/R and another on the road.

See you need to stop now.... I did not go back and really pick your posts apart. I told you to stop and relax and I even said the people argue with you were to blame also. But your gonna keep goign I have a feeling you'll be banned.

Only made 2,000 what.... escorts...... 2,000 VR4's...... LoL

Tell you what I'll take a stock 87 5.0 5-speed Mustang and you can take your Escort and we will goto LimeRock Race track and we'll see how well you out handle the Stang. You ricers.... and yes you talk like a ricer think if the car can take a turn better but is gutless on the straightaways you'll win. It takes more to win a roadrace than skipad and slalom numbers. But you wouldn't understand that cause you nor 90% of the ricers who say but my car can turn have ever been on a real roadtrack with your car!

If all you care about is being different go drive a yugo that will get the ladies panties wet.

I was laughing now I say close it. This is just getting out of hand.

Did you bring the (the people that pay like 40k for a slow ass ugly thunderbird are even more stupid)up for me. Because if you were My car didn't cost any where near 40k even brand new. The new ones aren't really a sports car anyway.

Quit trying to start wars! Go some where you are wanted. If there is such a place.