Performance parts?
Georgieo101
03-18-2004, 07:06 PM
Hey, i am new to this forum and unsure how everything works, but any way i was wondering if any one new a good place to find performance parts to a 96 LE? any help would be great!
kman10587
03-18-2004, 09:25 PM
I've got a 96 LE V6 too. I doubt I'd waste my time souping up a Camry, but the idea of turbocharging the 3.5 is interesting.
yotatechie04
03-19-2004, 12:41 PM
They do make turbo kits for the Camry, both I4 and V6. Also, if you have a V6, I would go for the idea of supercharging that thing instead of turbocharging it. Right now I've got a '99 Camry LE - I4 - and I'm contemplating whether or not to go and get a turbo kit for the 5SFE or going for a V6 engine and supercharging it. But either way you look at it, it's not a bad prospect.
AJ236
03-19-2004, 07:43 PM
Hey bud. I found a bolt on supercharger at Rippmods.com. It is a straight bolt on and costs about 4 grand. It will bring the I4 to 191whp. They recommend getting new headers with it. The info is on the website.
Georgieo101
03-20-2004, 03:45 AM
191 whp? thats it for a supercharger? doesnt the I4 already come with around 125 whp? and another quesiton which is better a turbo or a supercharger?
AJ236
03-20-2004, 09:21 AM
Yeah, thats it for the supercharger. The Toyota I4 is around 139 bhp, so 125 sounds about right for the wheels. The Toyota 3.0L V6 is stock 200 horse.
My opinion, is that a supercharger is better than a turbo, and here is why...
Turbo uses the exhaust gases from the engine to drive the air induction fan that promotes air supply into the engine. After time the exhaust gases can erode the blades of the turbine in the exhaust portion of the turbocharger, and that will result in a decrease in the speed that it drives the air induction fan, and also the amount of air into the engine. Because turbine is in the exhaust stream of your engine it may also effect your emissions if it started to erode or degrade, and depending on what state you are in, that can be a problem.
Supercharging, utilizes an additional drive belt off of your engine to drive the air induction fan. That is a lot cleaner. Keep in mind the space under the hood. Some cars may be able to fit a supercharger, and some can only fit a turbocharger.
Again, its just my opinion, and you know the old cliche.
Like I said earlier, it may be cheaper to trade and upgrade to the same year Camry with a V6. I have a 97 I4, personally, I am going to look for a lower mileage, 97 or 98 V6 that the difference in price is cheaper than the supercharger. Additionally, if you supercharge the V6...
My opinion, is that a supercharger is better than a turbo, and here is why...
Turbo uses the exhaust gases from the engine to drive the air induction fan that promotes air supply into the engine. After time the exhaust gases can erode the blades of the turbine in the exhaust portion of the turbocharger, and that will result in a decrease in the speed that it drives the air induction fan, and also the amount of air into the engine. Because turbine is in the exhaust stream of your engine it may also effect your emissions if it started to erode or degrade, and depending on what state you are in, that can be a problem.
Supercharging, utilizes an additional drive belt off of your engine to drive the air induction fan. That is a lot cleaner. Keep in mind the space under the hood. Some cars may be able to fit a supercharger, and some can only fit a turbocharger.
Again, its just my opinion, and you know the old cliche.
Like I said earlier, it may be cheaper to trade and upgrade to the same year Camry with a V6. I have a 97 I4, personally, I am going to look for a lower mileage, 97 or 98 V6 that the difference in price is cheaper than the supercharger. Additionally, if you supercharge the V6...
Georgieo101
03-20-2004, 02:44 PM
good to know, thanks man
lalojamesliz
03-31-2004, 01:26 AM
do you guys think its a bad idea to put a turbo charger or super charger on my automatic 93,000 camry that i have taken very good care of (changed every possible thing right when i should of)
yotatechie04
03-31-2004, 01:46 AM
I don't know whether or not it would be a great idea to install a turbo or supercharger kit into a automatic, although it wouldn't be a bad idea to put one down into a stick shift. I'm almost sure that when you put one into an automatic there will most definitely need to be some transmission work. Maybe, if possible, make it somehow a limited-slip differential or something of that sort.
lalojamesliz
03-31-2004, 01:54 AM
do you have an idea how much for my tranny work
yotatechie04
03-31-2004, 04:44 PM
I'm not really sure as to how much it would cost to have it done. I know that some independent tranny shops will do it for a decent price, and yet some others will charge you something astronomical. I guess you'll just have to ask around at some of your local tranny repair places and see what they say.
red-in-la
04-01-2004, 08:56 PM
I'm sorry, but I have to giggle about this. Camry and performance seem to be contradictory terms.
After buying a new one in '93 to haul the Mrs and kids around in I have a real hard time changing gears, as it were.
How about just pushing the button on the automatic gear shift lever that's labled performance?
By the way, the Ripp place's 191hp is with a Manual Transmission. ALSO >>>>
"In some cases cars were running optional RIPP equipment, including but not limited to RIPP Intercooler, Over Drive Crank pulleys, RIPP piston program or more aggressive programming. Horse power has been tested out side RIPP to be within 10% of our figures. RIPP cannot control out side conditions such as, ambient temperatures, sea level, or vehicle condition, such as transmissions weakness, clutch status, tune up condition, or over all engine condition."
$4K is JUST the BEGINNING of expenses. That intercooler is probably and extra $400 to $500.
Don't forget to upgrade the brakes and rotors too!!! you still have to stop, eventually :))
Good Luck
After buying a new one in '93 to haul the Mrs and kids around in I have a real hard time changing gears, as it were.
How about just pushing the button on the automatic gear shift lever that's labled performance?
By the way, the Ripp place's 191hp is with a Manual Transmission. ALSO >>>>
"In some cases cars were running optional RIPP equipment, including but not limited to RIPP Intercooler, Over Drive Crank pulleys, RIPP piston program or more aggressive programming. Horse power has been tested out side RIPP to be within 10% of our figures. RIPP cannot control out side conditions such as, ambient temperatures, sea level, or vehicle condition, such as transmissions weakness, clutch status, tune up condition, or over all engine condition."
$4K is JUST the BEGINNING of expenses. That intercooler is probably and extra $400 to $500.
Don't forget to upgrade the brakes and rotors too!!! you still have to stop, eventually :))
Good Luck
lalojamesliz
04-03-2004, 06:16 PM
the turbo is $2,500 and add the cost of new exaust ,better head gasket forged pistons,intercooler and your done $???? and you will have twice as much power
red-in-la
04-04-2004, 03:10 AM
the turbo is $2,500 and add the cost of new exaust ,better head gasket forged pistons,intercooler and your done $???? NO and you will have twice as much power AND NO
Your headache is just beginning. Based on your posts it seems you have limited mechanical knowledge. Get a car that already comes from the factory with "performance". I am not trying to be smart, just trying to be helpful before you spend a LOT of money that you will never get out of the car.
$2500 turbo (smog legal ???)
$400 header (special for turbo, included ???)
$450 2 1/2" or 3" cat back exhaust system
$250 spark retard system (Bipes or similar)
$250? head gasket with labor
$600? forged pistons ???
$450 intercooler ???
$150? bigger fuel injectors ???
$1000 ?? to install the basic stuff
$500 ?? for more install and problems
$50 turbo blowoff valve
$50 turbo cool down gadget to let the turbo cool down before engine shuts off
$unkown for heat shrouds
$$$$ nothing but Premium gas from here on out
probably more, but I'm getting tired
The turbo puts out so much heat your rubber and plastic parts age more rapidly and it goes on from there.
Plus you can't pass smog, depending on where you live. And you darn sure can't pass the visual inspection. Go here for discussion on smog by RIPP >>> http://rippmods.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=177
To double your HP your going to also need to run, best guess, 15" of boost. The Camry, momma loves her, won't last long like that. Especially when you stand on the brakes and gas peddle to get those screaching starts.
Look up some turbo sites. Read the forums like the one for Greddy.
By the way, a good Supercharger kit is over $3500. The debate about supercharging versus turbo rages on.
Turbos need engine RPM to make exhaust to make power. That equals heat and some inherent lag in response.
Superchargers are there with the power, immediately. Not as hot running but use engine power to make power.
Whatever floats your boat.
Best of Luck and hope you have a large piggy bank if you get into this stuff.
Your headache is just beginning. Based on your posts it seems you have limited mechanical knowledge. Get a car that already comes from the factory with "performance". I am not trying to be smart, just trying to be helpful before you spend a LOT of money that you will never get out of the car.
$2500 turbo (smog legal ???)
$400 header (special for turbo, included ???)
$450 2 1/2" or 3" cat back exhaust system
$250 spark retard system (Bipes or similar)
$250? head gasket with labor
$600? forged pistons ???
$450 intercooler ???
$150? bigger fuel injectors ???
$1000 ?? to install the basic stuff
$500 ?? for more install and problems
$50 turbo blowoff valve
$50 turbo cool down gadget to let the turbo cool down before engine shuts off
$unkown for heat shrouds
$$$$ nothing but Premium gas from here on out
probably more, but I'm getting tired
The turbo puts out so much heat your rubber and plastic parts age more rapidly and it goes on from there.
Plus you can't pass smog, depending on where you live. And you darn sure can't pass the visual inspection. Go here for discussion on smog by RIPP >>> http://rippmods.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=177
To double your HP your going to also need to run, best guess, 15" of boost. The Camry, momma loves her, won't last long like that. Especially when you stand on the brakes and gas peddle to get those screaching starts.
Look up some turbo sites. Read the forums like the one for Greddy.
By the way, a good Supercharger kit is over $3500. The debate about supercharging versus turbo rages on.
Turbos need engine RPM to make exhaust to make power. That equals heat and some inherent lag in response.
Superchargers are there with the power, immediately. Not as hot running but use engine power to make power.
Whatever floats your boat.
Best of Luck and hope you have a large piggy bank if you get into this stuff.
lalojamesliz
04-04-2004, 04:00 PM
the turbo is $2,500 and add the cost of new exaust ,better head gasket forged pistons,intercooler and your done $???? and you will have twice as much power
first of all i never said i was a pro you waste of sperm!! second everything i mentioned is was not included in the kit!!!! and third of all its just for fun, im not triying to win battle of the imports.....terd
first of all i never said i was a pro you waste of sperm!! second everything i mentioned is was not included in the kit!!!! and third of all its just for fun, im not triying to win battle of the imports.....terd
red-in-la
04-05-2004, 01:58 AM
My goodness.
Best of luck guy.
Best of luck guy.
Georgieo101
04-07-2004, 01:45 AM
I just think it would be cool to see somthing that has been suped up besides your average run of the mill Integra or Civic or whatever, . it would be a challenge to do, which would make it fun, and original unlike a lot of the cars out there right now
Brian R.
04-07-2004, 02:49 AM
I am with red. Not a smart move unless you have a large bank account you want to donate to mechanics and parts suppliers. Also, it is much better start with a fresh engine, not one that has 100k miles on it and is loose as a goose. Think again. Engine won't last long. Then a rebuild will get you, real soon. Engine, tranny, or both one right after the other. Nothing in a 4 cylinder Camry is made to take that abuse.
"first of all i never said i was a pro you waste of sperm!! second everything i mentioned is was not included in the kit!!!! and third of all its just for fun, im not triying to win battle of the imports.....terd"
You better chill out.
"first of all i never said i was a pro you waste of sperm!! second everything i mentioned is was not included in the kit!!!! and third of all its just for fun, im not triying to win battle of the imports.....terd"
You better chill out.
yotatechie04
04-07-2004, 03:21 AM
I agree with Brian and Red here on this one...I admit it would be nice to do something that's not so mainstream, but individuality is not exactly cheap or easy.
Toyrolla
04-09-2004, 12:05 AM
Ok....
Turbocharging a Camry can be done because it has been done...
There's a turbocharged Gen3 V6 Camry in Melborne, Florida that was done by 2 brothers. Although it's still under R&D, the brothers got it working on the street running 5psi on the stock engine (stock internals) with an automatic tranny.
I saw the setup myself while on vacation last summer. Very nice, clean, and functional.
Here's the site:
http://www.geocities.com/tvswitch2003/3vz_turbo.html?1049479943526
In the Toyotanation forum site (www.toyotanation.com), there is a member there named Tony The Tiger, who has a 1MZ-FE turbocharged Camry V6 with an automatic tranny.
I am currently working on a turbo setup in my Gen2 Camry V6 5-speed. Right now, other priorities have put my project on hold. Once resumed, I will provide updates.
Also, here is a turbocharged Gen2 with a 3S-GTE...
http://www.camryclub.org/pictures10.htm
I have a few other fellow Camry owners who turbocharged a 3S-FE in a Gen2 Camry.
TRD-Northwest (Burien Toyota) has a turbo kit for a 5S-FE 4cyl, running at 7psi:
http://trdnw.com/cat_turbo.html
Another fellow turbo Camry owner that I've become good friends with is The Wraith. Wraith ran the fastest recorded ET's for a street legal Camry. Somewhere on the net, there was a ET posting for fastest Camrys.
Turbocharging a Camry should not seem so far fetched. It's already been done in different ways and now the concept is already evolving into better shape.
Some may not look at a Camry for performance, but you must keep in mind -> That's the whole idea!
If you're really serious about it, do your research and plan accordingly....
Good luck...
Turbocharging a Camry can be done because it has been done...
There's a turbocharged Gen3 V6 Camry in Melborne, Florida that was done by 2 brothers. Although it's still under R&D, the brothers got it working on the street running 5psi on the stock engine (stock internals) with an automatic tranny.
I saw the setup myself while on vacation last summer. Very nice, clean, and functional.
Here's the site:
http://www.geocities.com/tvswitch2003/3vz_turbo.html?1049479943526
In the Toyotanation forum site (www.toyotanation.com), there is a member there named Tony The Tiger, who has a 1MZ-FE turbocharged Camry V6 with an automatic tranny.
I am currently working on a turbo setup in my Gen2 Camry V6 5-speed. Right now, other priorities have put my project on hold. Once resumed, I will provide updates.
Also, here is a turbocharged Gen2 with a 3S-GTE...
http://www.camryclub.org/pictures10.htm
I have a few other fellow Camry owners who turbocharged a 3S-FE in a Gen2 Camry.
TRD-Northwest (Burien Toyota) has a turbo kit for a 5S-FE 4cyl, running at 7psi:
http://trdnw.com/cat_turbo.html
Another fellow turbo Camry owner that I've become good friends with is The Wraith. Wraith ran the fastest recorded ET's for a street legal Camry. Somewhere on the net, there was a ET posting for fastest Camrys.
Turbocharging a Camry should not seem so far fetched. It's already been done in different ways and now the concept is already evolving into better shape.
Some may not look at a Camry for performance, but you must keep in mind -> That's the whole idea!
If you're really serious about it, do your research and plan accordingly....
Good luck...
Brian R.
04-09-2004, 11:09 AM
If you get serious hp out of a Camry, you have to upgrade the drivetrain, suspension and brakes accordingly. They were not built to manage serious wheel torque and cornering speed. There are options, I'm sure, but don't expect the stock vehicle to be optimized.
Toyrolla
04-10-2004, 12:58 PM
If you get serious hp out of a Camry, you have to upgrade the drivetrain, suspension and brakes accordingly. They were not built to manage serious wheel torque and cornering speed. There are options, I'm sure, but don't expect the stock vehicle to be optimized.
I agree with you Brian.
Compared to most other makes, Toyota makes a strong platform to begin with. When turbocharging a Camry, it's better to use drivetrain components from the 6cyl versions; for they are stronger than the 4cyl versions. Most of the examples that were provided in my last post were done on a 6cyl drivetrain platform (tranny, axles, etc...)
Bottom line: If you have the budget to shoot for this HP range, then it's obvious that you should have the budget to build a stronger bottom end. How much you spend depends on how well you plan. This way, you minimize unnecessary expense.
My Camry V6 currently has upgrades on suspension and braking. My drivetrain will be upgraded to LSD during the summer. I rebuilt my bottom end last year and it is already "broken-in" and running well.
Also, we have to understand what HP gains we are shooting for. My HP objective is within the 300 range, which is more than enough for me on the street.
:smokin:
I agree with you Brian.
Compared to most other makes, Toyota makes a strong platform to begin with. When turbocharging a Camry, it's better to use drivetrain components from the 6cyl versions; for they are stronger than the 4cyl versions. Most of the examples that were provided in my last post were done on a 6cyl drivetrain platform (tranny, axles, etc...)
Bottom line: If you have the budget to shoot for this HP range, then it's obvious that you should have the budget to build a stronger bottom end. How much you spend depends on how well you plan. This way, you minimize unnecessary expense.
My Camry V6 currently has upgrades on suspension and braking. My drivetrain will be upgraded to LSD during the summer. I rebuilt my bottom end last year and it is already "broken-in" and running well.
Also, we have to understand what HP gains we are shooting for. My HP objective is within the 300 range, which is more than enough for me on the street.
:smokin:
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