Part 2: Lets Find One

Ok everyone, part 1 of the project was a success. We have chosen the 6th generation Civic (1996-2000) as our candidate.

Keep in mind that we have $20,000 total to build this car. So when posting your candidates for a car, keep price in mind. Ideally, I'd like to take a stock car for the sake of the project.

please post a pic, description, price, and distance from atlanta.

our location is Atlanta, GA.. find the zip hit www.autotrader.com and lets get goin' on part 2 ! :D

591 miles from atlanta
$6444
Black 1997 Civic EX
99852 miles
http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=80156985&dealer_id=802388&max_price=&start_year=1996&end_year=1997&address=30084&search_type=used&make=HONDA&model=CIVIC&min_price=&distance=any&advcd_on=n&advanced=n&sort_type=price&=&car_year=1997&ac_afflt=ATLANTACLASSIFIEDS.COM

Umm....i don't know any ATL zips :(

Can I use my area code? :D

I'm only about 3 hours away (with my mom driving...snooore....)

j/k

but could someone post up an ATL zip code!?!?!!

area code... 30084

30344 and 30360 are Atlanta ZIPs

http://images.autotrader.com/823/470/82347027_004698_240x145.jpg

1997 EX coupe 5 speed
169,000 Miles
$4350
22 miles from 30084 (Atlanta)

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=82347027&dealer_id=&max_price=20000&start_year=1996&end_year=2000&address=30084&search_type=used&make=HONDA&model=CIVIC&min_price=0&distance=25&advcd_on=n&advanced=n&first_record=451&=&car_year=1997&ac_afflt=ATLANTACLASSIFIEDS.COM

THAT IS CHEAP AND CLOSE BY!!!!!

$4350 for a 1997 EX!!! Come on!! I can't find a stinkin' DX hatchback for that cheap!!!!!

I'm goin' for that one unless someone finds anythin' cheaper.

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1996 DX hatchback 5-speed
67,000 miles
$4995
17 miles from 30084

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=81093351&dealer_id=&max_price=20000&start_year=1996&end_year=2000&address=30084&search_type=used&make=HONDA&model=CIVIC&min_price=0&distance=25&advcd_on=n&advanced=n&first_record=426&=&car_year=1996&ac_afflt=ATLANTACLASSIFIEDS.COM

That one has my vote - that'll leave us plenty of money for the H22 :)

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
That one has my vote - that'll leave us plenty of money for the H22 :)

either the coupe or hatch would, and the coupe is the cheaper of the 2

Wait a second, are we keeping the engine in the car, or going with a swap? If we are swapping, we may go with a b16, in which case buying a 99-00 Si would be simpler and possibly cheaper? (Ok, probably not cheaper, unless labor charges factor in to the swap.) Im assuming we just want a "shell", bare bones car to work on.

Originally posted by piscorpio
Wait a second, are we keeping the engine in the car, or going with a swap? If we are swapping, we may go with a b16, in which case buying a 99-00 Si would be simpler and possibly cheaper? (Ok, probably not cheaper, unless labor charges factor in to the swap.) Im assuming we just want a "shell", bare bones car to work on.

the direction of the project depends on what everyone wants. I think that generally, we are going after a "shell" car, so that we can spend our money wisely for the best possible outcome.

well..you see piscorpio - we're building this car like an average Newbie would.

Most people start out with a bone stock car..with a motor..and then decide to mod it.

Plus we can hypothetically "sell" the motor for like...$200. :D

Originally posted by VTEC_boi
Plus we can hypothetically "sell" the motor for like...$200. :D

excellent to see that people are starting to get the idea.

Originally posted by VTEC_boi
THAT IS CHEAP AND CLOSE BY!!!!!

$4350 for a 1997 EX!!! Come on!! I can't find a stinkin' DX hatchback for that cheap!!!!!

I'm goin' for that one unless someone finds anythin' cheaper.

I think Im looking at the same one:

1997 HONDA CIVIC EX, black w/grey cloth int., 4 cyl., 5 spd., pw, pdl, cruise, tilt, sunroof, am/fm cass., CD, a/c, ps, pb, exc. cond., 169k mi., very clean & dependable car, $4350, 770-732-8656.

That seems to be the winner, if we just want cheap. I think perhaps we should consider a 99 Si, if we could get it for less than 16000, we'd have all disc brakes already, a nice new body with nifty spoilers, etc. Not to mention a B16, which we could use, or get this, we could sell the b16 in favor of something bigger. That alone would knock a couple grand off the price of the Si, what do you guys think?

Well..that would only leave us with about...6Gs (4 + 2 for the B16A)

Whereas w/ this one we buy it for 5Gs. Leaving us with 15Gs left. For a motor, rear disc conversion, rims, a front lip (like..$200 for a clean Civic R one), and etc.

Plus...we can do DIY mods like clear headlamps and such.

Also..hypothetically..the newer cars have higher insurance (especially the Si). So it's cheaper, i'm guessing, to go with the 97 EX.


--Hey I have no car, I plan for mine ALL THE TIME!! Jon your game thing is what I do :D


I have no life :(

:wave: Hi any other losers out there.....

Youre right, after I did the math I realized the same thing. I guess we should go with the original choice.

Originally posted by piscorpio
Youre right

Of course I am :D


What do u think I am? Some stupid little 14 year old? :rolleyes: ;)



:D hahahahahaha

your articles will come in handy my man!

Originally posted by piscorpio

That seems to be the winner, if we just want cheap. I think perhaps we should consider a 99 Si, it would be about 16000, but we'd have all disc brakes already, a nice new body with nifty spoilers, etc. Not to mention a B16, which we could use, or get this, we could sell the b16 in favor of something bigger. That alone would knock a couple grand off the price of the Si, what do you guys think?

well we're looking at a $4300 EX coupe vs. a $16,000 Si coupe

B18C1 in it (170 hp) and we are only at maybe $8,500 vs. a $16,000 Si coupe (160hp)

strap on an AEM EX rear disc conversion and we now have a $9,500 EX vs. a $16,000 Si coupe

low compression pistons and a revhard stage 3 turbo kit (+ ~225hp and 395lbft) and we are at about $16,500 w/ nearly 400hp and 550lbft vs. a $16,000 Si coupe

get the picture

:D

go with the ex and build it up form there

i'm really feeling that EX coupe as well, it seems to be the best idea

that turbo kit says it needs an engine management system.. $$$$?

Originally posted by j.fuggi
that turbo kit says it needs an engine management system.. $$$$?

I know, i was just showing that buying a near new Si was kinda a bad idea

oh.. yea :) but that is a very nice turbo system. think i might get a stage 2 when i go for turbo

Originally posted by VTEC_boi



I have no life :(

:wave: Hi any other losers out there.....



:wave: Hi!

30144 is an area code to :D

thats a helluva deal there on that EX civic. Mine was a 95 EX and it cost 6000! 114000 miles vs. 169000 miles though. Plus I got a warrenty.

But who cares about me! Snag that 97 EX now before someone else gets it!! (heck I would really get it if I lived close enough)

The coupe and the hatch seem to be good deals. We could probably get the coupe for like $4000 and the hatch for like $4600 or so. I'm more of a hatch man myself...what about you guys?

HATCH!!
HATCH!!
HATCH!!

Originally posted by CivSiGuy


well we're looking at a $4300 EX coupe vs. a $16,000 Si coupe

B18C1 in it (170 hp) and we are only at maybe $8,500 vs. a $16,000 Si coupe (160hp)

strap on an AEM EX rear disc conversion and we now have a $9,500 EX vs. a $16,000 Si coupe

low compression pistons and a revhard stage 3 turbo kit (+ ~225hp and 395lbft) and we are at about $16,500 w/ nearly 400hp and 550lbft vs. a $16,000 Si coupe

get the picture

:D

OK, Jeez, I took it back! :D

Besides, I think the Si's are way overpriced anyway, they should not go for more than 14000! (I wouldnt buy one for more than that, just my opinion)

Oh, and my vote goes for the coupe!

Hey another thought occurred to me just now, if we want to do this right, we must budget some of our spending money for one important thing.....dyno time. You have to figure without a dyno, its hard to tune the car to make it the ass kicking ride we want it to be. So how much does dyno time cost, and about how much should we figure our ride will need?

Originally posted by piscorpio
Oh, and my vote goes for the coupe!

Hey another thought occurred to me just now, if we want to do this right, we must budget some of our spending money for one important thing.....dyno time. You have to figure without a dyno, its hard to tune the car to make it the ass kicking ride we want it to be. So how much does dyno time cost, and about how much should we figure our ride will need?

that will be assessed when we get into the modification process



I vote for the coupe too.... I'm gonna make a poll

The 3 cars are these cars....

Black 1997 Civic EX
99852 miles
$6444
591 miles from atlanta
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=200194

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1997 EX coupe 5 speed
169,000 Miles
$4350
22 miles from Atlanta
http://images.autotrader.com/823/470/82347027_004698_240x145.jpg

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1996 DX hatchback 5-speed
67,000 miles
$4995
17 miles from Atlanta
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Come on....Where are all the hatch ppl???

I vote hatch :). Its close, cheap and has an incredible aftermarket, plus we can do a nice swap and turbo with the money left over :D.

Well...the EX is cheaper and 22 miles is pretty close.

Plus..we're guaranteed certain "creature comforts" with the EX (as well as VTEC wiring..making the swap easier).

As well as the fact that the EX has just as large of an aftermarket.


And cheaper leaving more money for a turbo and other mods.

:wave: hey Pete - losers own :-d

Originally posted by VTEC_boi
Well...the EX is cheaper and 22 miles is pretty close.

Plus..we're guaranteed certain "creature comforts" with the EX (as well as VTEC wiring..making the swap easier).

As well as the fact that the EX has just as large of an aftermarket.


And cheaper leaving more money for a turbo and other mods.

:wave: hey Pete - losers own :-d

Ok, you win:rolleyes: . If I could, I would probably change my vote to the EX.

hehehe....

Actually..if I was choosing the car for myself - I'd pick the hatch.

But..this is a game and I want to win :D

Sean, shut up! hatch wins and you know it!:D

Originally posted by VTEC_boi
hehehe....

Actually..if I was choosing the car for myself - I'd pick the hatch.

But..this is a game and I want to win :D

I feel the same way now. I would rather have the hatch for my own car, but you showed me the light... we must win!! :rolleyes:

Since you guys are going to go with the 6th Gen I guess Im going to have to say go with the Cheapest coupe... If you want a lip you can get the one like I have for 80$ shipped..

http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v4/1/67/22/24316722oWtEdVwNFg_ph.jpg

Heres the link for it if you want it.. All you have to do is click and buy.http://www.hparts.com/part_lookup.php3?partno=08F01-S04-100

Its a OEM part that bolts right on no drilling required..:D

Originally posted by VTEC_boi
Plus..we're guaranteed certain "creature comforts" with the EX (as well as VTEC wiring..making the swap easier).

As well as the fact that the EX has just as large of an aftermarket.


And cheaper leaving more money for a turbo and other mods.


right there.. thats why I picked it. It saves us money and time in the long run.

*cough*hatch*cough*

What are we saving like $400 by going with the coupe? BFD

Originally posted by delsolguy
What are we saving like $400 by going with the coupe? BFD

My sentiments

Originally posted by delsolguy
*cough*hatch*cough*

What are we saving like $400 by going with the coupe? BFD


that 400 could get a nice exhaust or header, among various other very useful things, like a double stacked roof high aluminum wing :D j/k please don't hurt me...:(

Originally posted by GScivic7
like a double stacked roof high aluminum wing

Get the noose! ;)

I know what you're saying, but if we carefully plan this out, I don't think $400 (more like $600) is going to make it or break it.

$400 = an exhuast
or $400 = money for suspension
$400=money spent on some nice chrome Niche Bellas (;) :flipa: j/k Rene)

Or $400 could be spent on getting a nice, clean hatch instead of an everyone-has-one coupe (don't kill me coupe owners...I was only making a point!). I like the 6th gen coupes just as much as the next guy, but I happen to like hatches more.

But I understand what you're saying, VTEC_Boi. Let's just pick one! I'm ready to move on. *tapping foot impatiently*

Originally posted by VTEC_boi
$400=money spent on some nice chrome Niche Bellas (;) :flipa: j/k Rene)

Actually they cost me $300 each soo...that wouldn't get you much would it? :finger:

Originally posted by piscorpio
Oh, and my vote goes for the coupe!

Hey another thought occurred to me just now, if we want to do this right, we must budget some of our spending money for one important thing.....dyno time. You have to figure without a dyno, its hard to tune the car to make it the ass kicking ride we want it to be. So how much does dyno time cost, and about how much should we figure our ride will need?

$165 an hour.

$165 an hour? Sheesh. Seems a tad expensive. I was quoted $100 at three different dynos around here (that's a liberal term...within an hour's driving time from here).

So is this settled? Are we moving on yet?

I think the coupe got the votes because while they may be more common, I personally think the coupe looks a lot classier than the hatch. A hatch is great if you're just looking to build the fastest, lightest drag car you can make, but no matter how many mods I see on a Civic hatch, it always looks like a cheap little toy car to me. I respect people who choose to tune their hatch, and there are certainly plenty of them around that could easily smoke my coupe, but as far as just looking clean and cool, I think the 6G coupe is by far the winner. I love that Honda made the SI a coupe for 99-00, I'm trying to sell my EX and buy one right now

:D C

Originally posted by piscorpio
So is this settled? Are we moving on yet?

read the sticky.... new phases begin every sunday

Originally posted by CivSiGuy


read the sticky.... new phases begin every sunday

Ah, gotcha...so tommorrow! :D

Originally posted by delsolguy
$165 an hour? Sheesh. Seems a tad expensive. I was quoted $100 at three different dynos around here (that's a liberal term...within an hour's driving time from here).

bastard. you have dynos! not one.. but 3 !~@# i think we have 1 and i dunno if there really even is one in CT

Originally posted by j.fuggi


. you have dynos! not one.. but 3 !~@# i think we have 1 and i dunno if there really even is one in CT

their is a big differnece between dynoing and dyno tuning :D, 3 dyno runs cost $65. If u need to tune a part to get it running right, u are gonna pay $165. quotes of http://www.engineered.net

coupe wins.. phase 3