BALLS OUT turbo setup...new tranny?

Hi I am planning a complete build up of my b18a in my 1990 integra to be able to take any amount of abuse I can throw at it and then I am going to slowly put together a full turbo setup with all the proper electronics so that I can run somewhere around 20-25 psi safely (without breaking anything). My question is......with all of this power coming from the motor...will I need to upgrade to a performance tranny? (Does any company offer a performance tranny for b-series motors?)I obviously know that I will need a performance clutch setup, but no one ever talks about performance transmissions. Honda makes great trannys but will it be able to handle that kind of power?


Please answer only if you have some idea of what your talking about.

Honda manual trannys can support up to 400whp daily driven, or about 700whp for about 10-20 runs on a track vehicle.

How about setting a horsepower goal rather than a boost goal.

Cause I dont have a horse power goal. Thats why. Just stick to the question....all the info is there.

400 hp daily driven eh.. well that gets me in the clear.. YAY HONDA!

Cause I dont have a horse power goal. Thats why. Just stick to the question....all the info is there.

No all the info isn't there. 25 psi on an LS motor with some 9:1 pistons, sleeves, rods, stock head and stock intake with a T3/T4 turbo is a whole shitload less power than 25 psi on your LS motor with some 84MM 9:1 pistons, sleeves, rods, ported and polished GSR head, an AIR intake manifold, and running a PT67. Boost is just a measure of restriction placed by your motor on the turbocharger, and is totally meaningless if you don't tell us anything else. Just telling us how much boost you want to run is worthless for estimating how much HP you want to make.

He's right. Can't tell sh*t from boost numbers alone. Intercooled? what kind? alcohol injection? co2 injection? nos? cam? rpm range? head? intake? exhaust manifold/headers? Ceramic coatings? turbo design?(VATN or standard? oil cooled or water cooled? sealed bearing or externally oiled? A/Rs? turbo efficiency?) Ignition? You could be running 25psi up to a 6k redline or a 9k redline... HUGE difference in power. hell if i revved my TT 351c to 9k with the same boost i'd probably be makin 400hp more than i do now at 5500. There is at least a couple hundred horsepower difference between the best 25psi motor and the worst. As an example, recently a professional engine builder(Dave Storlien) built a N/A 351c and make 650hp at 6500rpm. I'd be estatic if I could build an 351c that made 500hp at 6500rpm with an unlimited budget and access to a machine shop and dyno. He did it for $6000. It helps to be the best... And that is N/A! turbos just add to the complexity and therefore the 'spread'. If you gathered 10 guys, shadetree mechanics all the way to full on race engine builders, and told them to build you a turbo'd engine with a 7000rpm redline and 15psi boost max on a 3 liter engine, there would be quite a difference between the best and the worst. So in summary, tell us an optimistic guess of what HP you think you can get.

Boosted try to read what I wrote. My quesiton was about TRANSMISSIONS. I dont know why you are talking about all this other shit like GSR heads???? Did I say anything about an ls/vtec...no. I understand we need horsepower ratings here but like i wrote...im just building the internals...im not going into all of the other performance shit just yet. Thats why I asked the question that I did about tranny's. So lets just say im shooting for 220-250 hp (anywhere in there) will the stock tranny hold up to that with 90,000 miles on it??? yes or no

Boosted try to read what I wrote. My quesiton was about TRANSMISSIONS. I dont know why you are talking about all this other shit like GSR heads????

And the amount of time your transmission will last has a direct relationship to HOW MUCH HORSEPOWER YOU ARE MAKING, YOU BOOB.

Think about your question if you're only shooting for 250 horsepower. Stock ITR's making 200, do you really think they would put a tranny in a car so fragile that it won't take 50 more horsepower.

Hey jackass...my 1990 ls is just a litttttle bit different from a fucking ITR . your just a automotive genius let me tell you. Think about your responses before you respond.

Hey jackass...my 1990 ls is just a litttttle bit different from a fucking ITR . your just a automotive genius let me tell you. Think about your responses before you respond.

They use the same case, gears are interchangeable. Same idea on overengineering, you dumb twat. Honestly, why do people make retarded questions like this. First you say 20-25 pounds of boost, now you say 200-250 horsepower, and you're wondering if you're going to bust your tranny. THINK ABOUT IT, there are thousands of people with turbo kits running on stock LS motors, making more than 250 horsepower. Use your god damn head.

Hahahaha


that's all I have to add

Yea douche bag overengineering for a car thats at least 10 years older then it. Good thinking your fucking idiot. Just shut your fucking retarded mouth....i hate fucks like you always trying to sound so smart and shit when you really have all your work done at your local mechanic. and evil monke wutup your gay name is.....you didnt add anything you fucking moron SHUT YOUR GAY ASS UP.

Moderator, please lock this thread. His question has been answered even though it makes no sense(250hp on 25psi...??? weak.) Its just spiraling down into a bitch fest.

damn.......Jszy has some male pms problems

too bad the mood swings are not controllable

good one kid

Alright heres the deal, Jszy why are u trying to take on the whole thread? Seriously, they are right...u dont need a new transmission for a car w/ 250 hp. Also, if u did know anything about cars youd know that the b series engine is probably the most popular when it comes to hondas and almost every company makes shit for it. You will find a crap load of performance clutchs like clutchmasters or ACT for example. Geez even if u have seen F&F or played NFS underground ud know that. Stop running your mouth cuz someone is pointing out your mistakes. They just wanted to know how much horsepower your car was gonna make with 20-25 psi, cuz psi doesn't effect how long your tranny will last, torque and horsepower determines it. Quick note also, you will need to do a lotta work to make your car run safely with 20-25 psi so stop saying that this one guy has his mechanic do all his work

you stupid bastard...in my first fucking post i wrote about clutches, my question had nothing to do with clutches you moron....and way to point out that hondas use b series motors...your incredibly smart. Dont jump on the band wagon like every other gay KID on here and think that you cool and part of "the gang" you fag. And believe me I thiiiink i know wut it takes for a motor to run 20-25 psi. But then again i dont know anything about cars just like you said...fag

hey man, take it easy... people don't come here to argue, they come to learn about stuff, not how to be a wanker.. if you've got nothing positive to say, then don't say it.. nobody wants to get their head ripped off for trying to correct your mistakes. so please, if you can't take it easy, go rant on some other forum, it's not appreciated here.

Ya dude calm the fuck the down. Seriously, what is up your ass. If your just gonna bitch about things, dont start threads. See what it really comes down to is, ur asking a retarded question that you should know the answer to if you know so much. Cuz you better have knowledge to back up your shit. Also I was pointing that out, retard, i was just saying that companies make shit for the B series engine. Did i ever say, Honda's use b series engines, NO! I just said companies make a ton of shit for the b series, like Crower. They make little for the H and i think none for the D but a ton of shit for the B. So untwist that stick that is up ur ass and pull it out cuz no1 wants to fight here.

I completely agree with you, but people like to talk down to other people on these forums and I am sick of it. So that is why I have to defend myself against these people. These guys arent trying to correct mistakes, they are trying to take cheap shots cause they think they know shit, but most of them dont. Thats all.

gwinquisitor14: If you dont want to fight then dont talk shit pussy. Simple as that.

I just reread the forum, u told em boost amounts but they didn't know what horsepower amounts ur plannin on making. At 20-25 more psi, you'll make more than 250 hp. They just wanted info on what your plannin on doin. Id say a lot of know what they are talking about too considering they have way more posts, i only have 3 more than you but i tend to read more tha i post.

wow dude u got some issues. ppl like you really piss me off Im just gonna stop posting in this forum, everyone should too and probably has cuz uve annoyed the hell outta them by being a jackass. If a moderator reads this, i hope he blocks you

can't we all just.. get along?

seriously. I'm used to my v8 forum, believe it or not everyone gets along and are all good friends. This is a war zone compared to that. I make a polite correction and people come at me with all guns blazing. I just sit here with my Maximum Boost book and scan in pages to prove my points... and I'm sure no one will argue that Corky Bell knows more about turbocharging than all of us combined, no competition.

P.S... there are way too many pictures of shiny "chrome" ceramic coated exhaust manifolds in this book alone for me to scan in.... hehe.

any idea where i can pick me up a copy of this book? or pirate it off the net (G'ARRRR)? sounds like it's a good read

errrr uhh.. not that i pirate things off the net... *looks around suspiciously*

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0837601606/qid=1079756256/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-2524176-9144729?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

I doubt its on the 'net anywhere, 250 pages... I've read it cover to cover more times than I like to admit, and I believe it is by far the single best resource for anyone building a turbo system, amateur or professional.

dang.. that'd be like... $100 up here in canada... $^$#!^ stupid canadian dollar... maybe once i start working 6 days a week... ick

Do you think that other book is worth getting too?