camaro ss vs. mustang cobra

to hell with mustangs, ive had my share of races with mustangs and they looooooooooooose everytime, pony boys all think they can kick my ass, but my 96' z28 is not one to mess with. excursion, please, its like putting wheels on a house. what the hell was ford thinking. i will always be a chevy man.

what are you smoking buddy? how does an excursion fit into the SS vs cobra theme??? sounds like you just want to start some sort of stang vs maro war ( i believe theres 500 of those going on as we speak) so hey whats another one seeing how you've obviously picked the chevy side ill go with the ford one...
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man camaros suck!!! and whats up with that SS truck they got??? it blows compared to a Lightning i will always be a ford dude :rolleyes:

to hell with mustangs, ive had my share of races with mustangs and they looooooooooooose everytime, pony boys all think they can kick my ass, but my 96' z28 is not one to mess with. excursion, please, its like putting wheels on a house. what the hell was ford thinking. i will always be a chevy man.
I wouldn't count the mustang out. I like Camaros just as much as the next Chevy fan, but I see less cobras than I do Camaros. Both are good cars and it all depends on what you like, so don't even start saying that one is God and the other is crap because there are a lot of people who would disagree with you and I'm one of them. The mustang cobras do have speed, and that cannot be denied. Also, I agree with StupidBrodie, I'd take the Lightning over a Silverado SS any day of the week, a supercharged 5.4 or a 5.3 engine? hmm...

GM already made a truck faster than the new lightning a decade ago

are you going to elaborate on that? whats this super fast truck? and no Lingenfelter crap either... (which ran a 13.3 if i remember correctly)

are you going to elaborate on that? whats this super fast truck? and no Lingenfelter crap either... (which ran a 13.3 if i remember correctly)
probably the gmc syclone/typhoon.

[QUOTE=BP2K2Max]probably the gmc syclone/typhoon.[/QUOTE

aww yes the syclone... whats the 1/4mile on those again a mid to high 13 i believe... same as the current lightning though at its time it was pretty fast...

ford kept the lightning going at least and keeps making it faster
what ever happened to GM's fast truck? i dont know too much about trucks do you know of any plans to put another one on the market???

The Syclone's #'s were
0-60 4.5
1/4 mile 13.4

and there is a concept of turbo v6 trailblazer rated at 400hp, heard there was a good chance they will make it too

Unfortunately there is always a "good chance " GM will make something like their concepts. Unfortunately, anymore they seem to be totally
de-balled by the time they reach the showroom like the Silverado SS. The concept promised to "rip the lightning a new one". Hell, it can't even rip a standard Hemi Ram or Nissan Titan a new one since it reached production. And, those are just plain old every-day trucks!

And, there seemed to be a lot of "ringer" Syclones and Typhoons in the automotive tests as they virtually never run the same times at the strip the mags ran. And that is generally the opposite of how that equation works.

I have two buddies, one is actually a cousin, with Typhoons. (both the same white with grey/silver ground effects) Having ridden in a Lightning and both of those I have a very hard time believing those trucks are actually faster, or even close.

w3rd. I've heard of something like a Trailblazer SS, which will probably be just as gutless as the Silverado SS. They look great, I'll give them that, but other than that, I'd rather have an SRT-10 Ram, since they are about the same price.

w3rd. I've heard of something like a Trailblazer SS, which will probably be just as gutless as the Silverado SS. They look great, I'll give them that, but other than that, I'd rather have an SRT-10 Ram, since they are about the same price.

2004 silverado ss
since when is 0-60 in 6.3 and 1/4mile in 14.9 gutless?

2004 silverado ss
since when is 0-60 in 6.3 and 1/4mile in 14.9 gutless?

Sine both the Lightning and F-150 Harley Hauler began running in the thirteens for a lot less money than GM wants for their rebadged Denali pickup with Dubs and a SS ground effects package. Not to mention both Fords are far more comfortable than the Silverado SS. For that amount of money a pickup had better be a hell of a lot faster than the SS is, the "baddest" Silverado is a joke.

to hell with mustangs, ive had my share of races with mustangs and they looooooooooooose everytime, pony boys all think they can kick my ass, but my 96' z28 is not one to mess with. excursion, please, its like putting wheels on a house. what the hell was ford thinking. i will always be a chevy man.

96 z28 LOL :rofl: A LS1 z28 would rape the shit out of that and a Cobra would rape the shit out of a LS1 z28. Even though it's a Mustang but it's a 32 valve twin cam supercarghed mustang that will eat and rape your LT1 Z anyday.

brodie ur fucking stupid. is that ur car, what is that a subaru yeah ur cool, i wish i cold be as cool as u, not, ur giving me shit about my car jackass, take a look around why dont u buy a real american car, i thought i was in america i gues i was wrong hu! and whats up with the car shit i was talking about cars not trucks or suv's

96 z28 LOL :rofl: A LS1 z28 would rape the shit out of that and a Cobra would rape the shit out of a LS1 z28. Even though it's a Mustang but it's a 32 valve twin cam supercarghed mustang that will eat and rape your LT1 Z anyday.


see i do agree with u a cobra will kick my ass anytime, but im talking about two simple cars both V8's no nos or superchargers, i think if a car comes stocked with one thats cool, but dont add all kinds of shit to it just because u cant afford a car with balls i just think it pussy shit. and thats my opinion, so u can agree or disagree.

03+ SVT Cobra is Supercharged stock and will take an LS1. Ownig an LS1, I have two comments on this... 1) Ford did finally make a badass car to beat the camaro after a decade of staring at their rears 2) it took them a supercharger to do it.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind having an 03 and I am in no way disrespecting it, I consider it a muscle car of equal standing deserving its place. Pretty damn cool to buy a normal priced car and get 390hp. Anyway...
The LT1 is faster than most of the SVT's, i think in 96 hp was raised to 305. So not sure which is faster in 96 or 97. Then comes 1998, LS1, and camaro's have never looked back (never have, stopped production in 02, supercharger came out in 03, too late) The highest rating for SVT was 320, highest for LS1, 350 in the Vette (though rated 325 in SS this is an underating) and I heard that they never lived up to 320. just my $.02

brodie ur fucking stupid. is that ur car, what is that a subaru yeah ur cool, i wish i cold be as cool as u, not, ur giving me shit about my car jackass, take a look around why dont u buy a real american car, i thought i was in america i gues i was wrong hu! and whats up with the car shit i was talking about cars not trucks or suv's

lol dude calm down 1st off if there was an american car that was a turbocharged boxster 4 with AWD and had arally car heritage, i'd prolly buy it but oh well there isnt.... second you're the one that was talking about SUV's in your FIRST post right??? :screwy:
third when did i give you shit about your car??? i gave you a little shit about the fact that this comparison has been beaten to the ground with no clear winner...
maybe you should drink another beer and re-read the posts... or maybe i should??? then i might be able to see things from your perspective :icon16:

96 z28 LOL :rofl: A LS1 z28 would rape the shit out of that and a Cobra would rape the shit out of a LS1 z28. Even though it's a Mustang but it's a 32 valve twin cam supercarghed mustang that will eat and rape your LT1 Z anyday.
Just cause a idiot owns one is no reason to disrespect a car first and second with some minor mods nothing like new heads ,a radical cam or any artificial power adder's a LT1 can be made to take a supercharged cobra and if you don't believe me give me your email and I will send you a copy of my 12.8 1/4 timeslip

What about the orignal question... have we established that the SS of any year can spank that year's corresponding Cobra or what?

The SVT supercharged Cobra with a driver that has the same driving skill as the LS1 driver should win by at least a couple car lengths but its really easy to make a LS1 a Cobra killer

and it will do it n/a, lol!

Yeah, this little comparo is kinda stupid when you think about it. I don't know why, but Ford has always had this little problem of making their production vehicles GUTLESS despite having a 'racing' heritage. Think about it. GM had all the SS Chevelles, Novas and Camaros. They had the Pontiac GTO, the Oldsmobile 442 and the Buick GS. That was just in the 60s! What did Ford have? The Mustang, the Torino, the Cougar, the Galaxy and the Fairlane. Wow, such mind-blowing power. The Mustang 2 was a re-shaped pinto, the Five-point-slow is an econo-box with a V8 and despite being 'up to date' a mod motor can get its ass handed to it by a well built pushrod Ford motor from the old days, much less a GM pushrod engine. Yeah... Ford KNOWS what it's doing about making things go fast doesn't it? They DO know what they're doing about the looks of a car, they're gorgeous. Too bad that GM killed the Firebird/Camaro, that was probably their biggest mistake since not buying Ford back in the early teens.

This from a Ford guy. I love both Ford and Chevy, but I know their weaknesses.

I didn't know GM had an opertunity to aquire Ford... what dumbasses. Did you know Coke had the chance to buy Pepsi... business people are stupid, and these guys get paid to make these great decisions.

Ford is cheating cause the 03 Cobra uses a S/C. Well hey maybe Chevy is cheating cause it's 346cu instead of 281cu and uses a CR of 10.56:1 vs the Mustang's 9.0:1? Tell you what I'll take a Ford 351W, put 10.5:1 CR pistons in it, slap on some aluminium heads like the LS1 and we will put a LS1 and that motor on a dyno and see what happens. Ford guys don't bitch about the cube difference but the Chevy guys sure bitch about that S/C!

Since this thread has come down to the lowest common denominator I will continue with the lack of civility or repsect. First of all you Camaro lovers if the Camaro was so great and so wonderful how come GM couldn't sell enough to make it worth while invest in the next generation? Every1 let's see how creative they can be with answers for this question, some of the answers are timeless!

I didn't know GM had an opertunity to aquire Ford... what dumbasses. Did you know Coke had the chance to buy Pepsi... business people are stupid, and these guys get paid to make these great decisions.

Did you know Nintendo tried to sell Atari the original Nintendo back in the 80's. Atari said no lol whoops.

GTstang... I'm sorry if I seemd like I was whinning like an ignorant bitch, I was just stating facts. And I still respect Ford it is american muscle. But for some odd reason Ford couldn't produce an n/a motor with the same power as the LS1.

GTstang... I'm sorry if I seemd like I was whinning like an ignorant bitch, I was just stating facts. And I still respect Ford it is american muscle. But for some odd reason Ford couldn't produce an n/a motor with the same power as the LS1.

Ford makes the mustang not only for performance but affordability. If you look in 2002 a brand new Mustang GT fully loaded is under 30,000 and brand New Camaro SS or Z28 fully loaded is over 35,000. Plus the camaro has it beat by 1.1 liter. And if u do that math they both come out with the same HP/Liter ratio. 56HP per liter. The mustang also weighs less to.

Ford is cheating cause the 03 Cobra uses a S/C. Well hey maybe Chevy is cheating cause it's 346cu instead of 281cu and uses a CR of 10.56:1 vs the Mustang's 9.0:1? Tell you what I'll take a Ford 351W, put 10.5:1 CR pistons in it, slap on some aluminium heads like the LS1 and we will put a LS1 and that motor on a dyno and see what happens. Ford guys don't bitch about the cube difference but the Chevy guys sure bitch about that S/C!

Since this thread has come down to the lowest common denominator I will continue with the lack of civility or repsect. First of all you Camaro lovers if the Camaro was so great and so wonderful how come GM couldn't sell enough to make it worth while invest in the next generation? Every1 let's see how creative they can be with answers for this question, some of the answers are timeless!


Actually....

I don't have a link for the comparo, but when HOT ROD magazine actually had the HOT ROD TV show on TNN a while back, the guys decided to build up a 350 and a 351 using the same performance parts from the same company and using the same specs. The two guys expected the whole time for the Ford to beat the Chevy and since one of the guys was a ford guy he would poke fun at the Chevy guy because of it. You should have seen the Ford guys face when the 351 turned out with 20 horsepower less than the 350! I know I about shit myself. Now, this is kind of a whole different ball game here because it's older motors that were compared, not the LS1 and the Modular. I've never been a fan of overhead cam engines so I probably won't ever like the mod motor over the LS series Chevies, even if I'll probably end up owning one before long.

I hope this is not aimed at me as I am the first to admit the Cobra is a Bad ass Car but I would also like to add that the comment and doing N/A is true the same way that a Cobra owner could say and doing it with 70 Less Cubes and was not a put down on the Cobra. Out of all the Mustangs to come out in the past 30 years I have the most respect for the Cobra followed by the Mach 1 which is another pretty bad ass Car
Ford is cheating cause the 03 Cobra uses a S/C. Well hey maybe Chevy is cheating cause it's 346cu instead of 281cu and uses a CR of 10.56:1 vs the Mustang's 9.0:1? Tell you what I'll take a Ford 351W, put 10.5:1 CR pistons in it, slap on some aluminium heads like the LS1 and we will put a LS1 and that motor on a dyno and see what happens. Ford guys don't bitch about the cube difference but the Chevy guys sure bitch about that S/C!

Since this thread has come down to the lowest common denominator I will continue with the lack of civility or repsect. First of all you Camaro lovers if the Camaro was so great and so wonderful how come GM couldn't sell enough to make it worth while invest in the next generation? Every1 let's see how creative they can be with answers for this question, some of the answers are timeless!

Ford is cheating cause the 03 Cobra uses a S/C. Well hey maybe Chevy is cheating cause it's 346cu instead of 281cu and uses a CR of 10.56:1 vs the Mustang's 9.0:1? Tell you what I'll take a Ford 351W, put 10.5:1 CR pistons in it, slap on some aluminium heads like the LS1 and we will put a LS1 and that motor on a dyno and see what happens. Ford guys don't bitch about the cube difference but the Chevy guys sure bitch about that S/C!

Since this thread has come down to the lowest common denominator I will continue with the lack of civility or repsect. First of all you Camaro lovers if the Camaro was so great and so wonderful how come GM couldn't sell enough to make it worth while invest in the next generation? Every1 let's see how creative they can be with answers for this question, some of the answers are timeless!

I see vehicles as overall potential.... and this is how I see it.
The Mustang's 390 HP is a nice number.. But what can you really do to it to add massive horsepower once you have it? You already have the supercharger on there, and you are only making 390?? Thats extremely weak if you ask me. But on the side.. I guess its cool that it comes with 390, right of the lot.

Now you take the 325 HP naturally aspirated engine.. and heres the thing.. Potentially you still have the room to throw on a blower, supercharger, turbo.. Whatever tickles your pickle. So, lets just stick to the one mod the Ford comes with..a supercharger. Sure its extra bucks, but when you want something as a car enthusiast, whats price? So I got 325 horsepower, and I like Procharger superchargers. They advertise at a 60-65% power gain... but lets be WAY conservative and say you only get about 50%.... do I need to spell out the difference in Horses? So potentially.. with both cars running just the supercharger..no other mods yet.. your looking at 162-192 HP Gain on the LS1.. How do you compare a measly supercharged 390 to 487-507 HP? No offense but you dont. As a side note I HAVE seen an LS1 with the Procharger in a WS6 30th Anniversary T/A... and if I remember correctly he was dyno'd near 450-460 to the rear wheels.... It just makes me wonder if either the supercharger on the Stang just simply sucks.. Or if the truth is... the motor is just plain weak and outpowered.

Two things... Factory superchargers are never like aftermarket superchargers, so dont expect 50% frmo the 03 Cobra's charger. Look at the Pontiac GTPs, it has no where near 50% gain... neither does the frontier, or any stock supercharger.
Second, 3000GTracer... the 2002 LS1 I just purchased for $15,000 came with the original sticker, reading $29K and change (I can fax it to you if you dont believe me), slighty under $30 grand!!! So what are you talking about? And for whatever the price difference I'd rather have almost 100 more horses, wouldn't you... it's the difference between losing to a 3000GT or keeping up with one.

Two things... Factory superchargers are never like aftermarket superchargers, so dont expect 50% frmo the 03 Cobra's charger. Look at the Pontiac GTPs, it has no where near 50% gain... neither does the frontier, or any stock supercharger.
Second, 3000GTracer... the 2002 LS1 I just purchased for $15,000 came with the original sticker, reading $29K and change (I can fax it to you if you dont believe me), slighty under $30 grand!!! So what are you talking about? And for whatever the price difference I'd rather have almost 100 more horses, wouldn't you... it's the difference between losing to a 3000GT or keeping up with one.

Well, no kidding they dont come with a huge gain. Which comes into the whole potential. If you already have that supercharger on the mustang, and its weak, then you are taking away a huge potential horsepower gain from a better supercharger. Its not like you can just throw on a second supercharger. Maybe you can change them out, or increase psi.. but its still not likely to boost it to 450+ horses.

Two things... Factory superchargers are never like aftermarket superchargers, so dont expect 50% frmo the 03 Cobra's charger. Look at the Pontiac GTPs, it has no where near 50% gain... neither does the frontier, or any stock supercharger.
Second, 3000GTracer... the 2002 LS1 I just purchased for $15,000 came with the original sticker, reading $29K and change (I can fax it to you if you dont believe me), slighty under $30 grand!!! So what are you talking about? And for whatever the price difference I'd rather have almost 100 more horses, wouldn't you... it's the difference between losing to a 3000GT or keeping up with one.

But did it have EVERY single option availible. T-Tops, Traction Control, ect. Look at it sometime. I do believe that you can get a good one for just under 30K. But my point is that the mustang is a very good sports car for less money.Iam not a mustang fan except for the Cobra and Saleen. I know a mustang is slow compared to the f-bodys and other sports car out their. Heck a Mustang GT can barely hit the high 13's and that's with slicks on.

Well, no kidding they dont come with a huge gain. Which comes into the whole potential. If you already have that supercharger on the mustang, and its weak, then you are taking away a huge potential horsepower gain from a better supercharger. Its not like you can just throw on a second supercharger. Maybe you can change them out, or increase psi.. but its still not likely to boost it to 450+ horses.

Were are u gonna find a supercharger that's gonna give you 450+HP. A stock LS1 has 325 so ur telling me that a after market supercharger will increase that engine to 125more HP. A turbo charger can barely do that and they run way more PSI than superchargers.

Were are u gonna find a supercharger that's gonna give you 450+HP. A stock LS1 has 325 so ur telling me that a after market supercharger will increase that engine to 125more HP. A turbo charger can barely do that and they run way more PSI than superchargers.

Well for one thing the LS1 is pretty highly underrated from the factory. They say 310 for the Z28 and 325 for the SS but in reality that hood scoop on the SS doesn't even do anything it's pretty much just for looks. Most people who dyno their LS1's stock come up with over 300 hp at the wheels Z28 or SS. So they are probably putting out more like 330-340 at the flywheel. Add a 8-10 psi supercharger and you can easily get 450+

Two things... Factory superchargers are never like aftermarket superchargers, so dont expect 50% frmo the 03 Cobra's charger. Look at the Pontiac GTPs, it has no where near 50% gain... neither does the frontier, or any stock supercharger.


Tell me if I'm wrong but the Cobra comes with a 390hp rating versus the GT's 260. Half of 260 (50%) would be an extra 130hp which is what the Cobra has. Right there it is alright pulling an extra 50% increase with the supercharger. I know that the Cobras can push a lot more than 390 with the stock charger (pulley swap, exaust (if needed), and intake (also if needed), plus tune). A GTP can also push more hp out of the charger, but were talking a 4dr sedan that doesn't need hp to sell.

The 4th gen fbodys are underated just as the Cobra's are. I know a friend of mine has a LS1 T/A with ram air, and he dynoed 312 at the wheels stock. Which is probably around the range of a C5 vette. His was fortunate enough to come with the LS6 block and other extras. He's running low 13s in the quarter (benefits of the ram air), but I wouldn't think he could take a Cobra of equal driving skill. With cars like the SS and Cobra's, its all about how well you can hook up off the line.

Why not compare a Z06 to the Cobra. To my knowledge, they are matched up to each other, not an Fbody. Or perhaps matching it with a C5 vette.

I guess I'm kinda weird, but I would be proud to have either sitting in my drive way. I wasn't raised in a strictly Ford this or Chevy that enviornment, so don't have a biased view on the maro or stang. Right now it would be more realistic for me to opt for the ss (price). If I had 30 to 35,00 to fork over for a car at this time though, make no mistake, a Cobra would be my hands down choice over anything out there at this time. You can't go wrong with these two cars, there both awesome.

Were are u gonna find a supercharger that's gonna give you 450+HP. A stock LS1 has 325 so ur telling me that a after market supercharger will increase that engine to 125more HP. A turbo charger can barely do that and they run way more PSI than superchargers.

http://www.f-body.org/ls1vortech/

There yah go. 464 Hp with a bolt on Vortech supercharger.

Ford makes the mustang not only for performance but affordability. If you look in 2002 a brand new Mustang GT fully loaded is under 30,000 and brand New Camaro SS or Z28 fully loaded is over 35,000. Plus the camaro has it beat by 1.1 liter. And if u do that math they both come out with the same HP/Liter ratio. 56HP per liter. The mustang also weighs less to.

1. 90 % of LS1 F-bodys where under $ 30,000 , Yes SLP's Versions are more expensive but they hold there value better.

Well, no kidding they dont come with a huge gain. Which comes into the whole potential. If you already have that supercharger on the mustang, and its weak, then you are taking away a huge potential horsepower gain from a better supercharger. Its not like you can just throw on a second supercharger. Maybe you can change them out, or increase psi.. but its still not likely to boost it to 450+ horses.

2. I don't know what kind of super cars you have been driving but the word weak to describe 390 Horsepower is crazy

Were are u gonna find a supercharger that's gonna give you 450+HP. A stock LS1 has 325 so ur telling me that a after market supercharger will increase that engine to 125more HP. A turbo charger can barely do that and they run way more PSI than superchargers.

3. People don't talk sh*t unless you have the research to back it up, even a 4 1/2 PSI supercharger is capable of boosting 50 % horse's out of a stock LS1 and almost every charger out there is 6 + PSI

my friend has a 99 ss camaro with six speed and he did was put super charger on it and it beat a 04 cobra svt big time

Is S/C an LS-1 and getting 450RWHP impressive to me.... no not at all.

A Kenne Bell blown 4.6 2V(not 4v Cobra!!!) makes 420RWHP with once again 281cu. vs. 346cu. FI on LS1's is not a great idea with 10.5:1 CR stock it's a ticking time bomb also you can put more psi into the 9.0:1 CR 4.6.

Ford knows how much that block can handle and they could have made it had 500HP. But no1 is going to buy a $35,000 car and then pay or even gonna beable to afford Ferrari like insurance rates! So it's not that Ford couldn't make a S/C Cobra with S/C LS1 like hp numbers it just makes no sense!!!. Some of you people need to use some common sense. What you and I can do to our cars in our garages is a little different than what Ford, GM etc.., can do for a lot of reasons.

Tell me if I'm wrong but the Cobra comes with a 390hp rating versus the GT's 260. Half of 260 (50%) would be an extra 130hp which is what the Cobra has. Right there it is alright pulling an extra 50% increase with the supercharger. I know that the Cobras can push a lot more than 390 with the stock charger (pulley swap, exaust (if needed), and intake (also if needed), plus tune). A GTP can also push more hp out of the charger, but were talking a 4dr sedan that doesn't need hp to sell.

The 4th gen fbodys are underated just as the Cobra's are. I know a friend of mine has a LS1 T/A with ram air, and he dynoed 312 at the wheels stock. Which is probably around the range of a C5 vette. His was fortunate enough to come with the LS6 block and other extras. He's running low 13s in the quarter (benefits of the ram air), but I wouldn't think he could take a Cobra of equal driving skill. With cars like the SS and Cobra's, its all about how well you can hook up off the line.

Why not compare a Z06 to the Cobra. To my knowledge, they are matched up to each other, not an Fbody. Or perhaps matching it with a C5 vette.


You cant compare the GT mustang with the Cobra because the cobra has a whole diffrent engine. The GT is a single came engine 16 valve and the Cobra is a twin cam with 32 valve/cylinder. With out the SC the cobra makes 320.

And guess your right about the SC giving it 125 HP. Just never new SC could run that much PSI.

And guess your right about the SC giving it 125 HP. Just never new SC could run that much PSI.


Seriously learn more about superchargers and turbos, and car engineering in general before you start talking.

Its very clear from your posts that you have some ideeas but not enough to have a proper grasp on the matter.

You cant compare the GT mustang with the Cobra because the cobra has a whole diffrent engine. The GT is a single came engine 16 valve and the Cobra is a twin cam with 32 valve/cylinder. With out the SC the cobra makes 320.


Guess your right, sry bout that. I didn't realize the GT and Cobra used different cam setups, I'm sure the block is still the same 4.6 but let me know if its not. (I'm no mustang guru) I drive a firebird, so I know firebirds.

Guess your right, sry bout that. I didn't realize the GT and Cobra used different cam setups, I'm sure the block is still the same 4.6 but let me know if its not. (I'm no mustang guru) I drive a firebird, so I know firebirds.


the engine in the cobra is actually more similar to the one in the mach 1 which used to be in the 2001 NA Cobras. The main difference being that the Gt engine is SOHC and the Mach 1 and cobra are DOHC.

And of course the cobra engine it is modified for FI (quite extensivelly from what i hear) so it can take some serious airflow being pushed in.

Just wanted to add, my LS1 is DA SHIT... for under $30K it originally came w/ everything, T-tops, tract control, leather, everything... I think that makes it a WAY better value than whatever was mentioned before.
I agree that an LS1 shouldn't be S-charged w/o a rebuilt for it... and Ford's is nice and ready to be FIed... Whatver I feel like we are comparing apples, oranges, and whatever else... stock s/c to afteramrket s/c to n/a.
Oh, and easy math is Atmospheric pressure is 14.7psi, roughly 15, so boost at 15 is double the air, in a perfect world double the HP. You don't need mad boost for high HP in a nice powerful engine like you do in an import.

nice cougar dusch bag

2. I don't know what kind of super cars you have been driving but the word weak to describe 390 Horsepower is crazy

Haha.. Good point. 390 HP is impressive... its just not as impressive as 450+ to the rearwheels, regardless of what cars or trucks I have been driving.

what are you smoking buddy? how does an excursion fit into the SS vs cobra theme??? sounds like you just want to start some sort of stang vs maro war ( i believe theres 500 of those going on as we speak) so hey whats another one seeing how you've obviously picked the chevy side ill go with the ford one...
:lol2:

man camaros suck!!! and whats up with that SS truck they got??? it blows compared to a Lightning i will always be a ford dude :rolleyes:
As for the SS, as a Chevy guy... There is no excuse for that truck having SS badges if you ask me. Its a hell of a truck, but not an SS type truck.

As for your Lightnings.. I ran my truck with three Lightnings. I ran a 14.20.. the quickest Lightning, one of the 03's was a 14.8. Nuff said. Got slips in the states if ya need to see em. ;)

Vettribution obviously knows nothing at all about the Mustang Cobra...I say this in regards to his "how much potential can it have" comment. Huh? Seriously, learn something about the snake before preaching on this issue.

At 390hp Cobra's are seriously under-rated by Ford. Cobra's often turn 360hp+ at the WHEELS (some have turned 380rwhp bone stock...do the math on that one). 420hp at the crank would have been a much more accurate rating by Ford than 390hp is.

And, the addition of a chip, cat-back exhaust, filter kit (w/removered air silencer), blower pulley, and throttle body will get you over 500rwhp. Yeah spanky, read it again...OVER 500RWHP. Even if you bought nice, new, name brand stuff there aren't 2,000 in the mods listed above.

With model, and year-end close-out rebates you can easily buy an 03 Cobra now for low 30's brand new. Lets see, 500rwhp on a brand new car for about 35 large and I didn't even have to pull a came cover. The LS1 f-bodies are nice but anyone who got 500rwhp (520rwhp is about what you can expect and that comes out to about 600hp at the crank measured conservatively) out of one using all new parts for 2 grand....let me know. Laughing gas would be the ONLY way you could do that and I still would doubt it.

Oh, btw..the Mustang can still take a shot of spray at the boost levels necessary to run those numbers so you can basically say nearly 600rwhp for three grand. You can say weak if you want to, but I would call it the deal of the friggin' century.

No lack of respect here for the LS1 or LT1 guys. But guys like Vettribution need to get a grip.

Let me put this in terms you may understand.

Yes.. the Cobra is a badass car. But you missed the whole point of what I was saying. With a supercharger on each engine.. you get how much horsepower? 390 at the crank for the Cobra, and talking to my friend with JUST the procharger he was hitting 463 HP at the rear wheels. Any additional part you can put on the Cobra, you can just as easily put on the Trans Am. Thats the difference in potential.

No you arent going to get all the horsepower out of 2 grand, but when is money an issue on a longterm project? Youll add the parts as you gain the money, if you are serious about upgrading. You arent just going to put in two grand and then quit. Or maybe YOU would.

By the way, I bought a 00' SS for 14.5. (Already sold it when I got stationed in Germany) Thats 325 HP off the lot, N/A. Couple grand and you have an easy 450+ HP with the supercharger. Thats if we are talking money issues right? Just a little cheaper than the 30K, and easily just as nice.

Ok... I have to comment. I own an LS1 but everybody knows you DO NOT want to supercharge a stock LS1... it is a powerful n/a engine and it was designed that way. Just like the type R 4-banger is, makes 195HP. How, both engines are HIGH compression, for FI you need LOW compression. To really do the LS1 right you'd need a rebuild first. 390HP is FINE for the 03 Cobra becuase it is a stock production car, I've already said, you CANNOT compare stock superchargers to aftermarket... it's like saying my friend's GTP is weak it came stock w/ 260HP while another guy put a aftermarket blower on his GT and is getting 300 to the wheels. It is comparing apples to oranges. The '03 Cobra has an advantage because it is already blower ready, so you CAN slap on a nice aftermarket one to get mega-horses. But comparing '03 Cobra to LS1... that is like comparing apples to oranges, so whatever. I have a LS1 cause I dont want to have any power adder. And BTW the LS1 Vette still smokes the Cobra. Just my $.02

You don't need to change the supercharger to yield better results from it, All you have to do is change the pulley to up the PSi and add alot more horse's

probably the gmc syclone/typhoon.

no they are quicker lightnings are faster.

Let me put this in terms you may understand.

Yes.. the Cobra is a badass car. But you missed the whole point of what I was saying. With a supercharger on each engine.. you get how much horsepower? 390 at the crank for the Cobra, and talking to my friend with JUST the procharger he was hitting 463 HP at the rear wheels. Any additional part you can put on the Cobra, you can just as easily put on the Trans Am. Thats the difference in potential.

No you arent going to get all the horsepower out of 2 grand, but when is money an issue on a longterm project? Youll add the parts as you gain the money, if you are serious about upgrading. You arent just going to put in two grand and then quit. Or maybe YOU would.

By the way, I bought a 00' SS for 14.5. (Already sold it when I got stationed in Germany) Thats 325 HP off the lot, N/A. Couple grand and you have an easy 450+ HP with the supercharger. Thats if we are talking money issues right? Just a little cheaper than the 30K, and easily just as nice.

And you have missed the point of my post and other people's now. A S/C LS-1 is not gonna make more hp than that without changing internals. As it is that LS-1 is running a limited life. A stock LS-1 is not good high boost engine. A 03 cobra long block vs. an LS-1 long block in who is gonna make more power and last using only a S/C is not even a contest. So stop trying to believe it is.

Whats lasting to you? As far as I know, his P-1SC is putting out excessively more horsepower and has lasted over a year and a half. Though he has altered his car immensly since he had the supercharger as his only mod, I would say thats saying something about lasting. When he dyno'd it with just the supercharger it had 463 to the rear wheels. So.. maybe hes an exception to lasting? Or maybe a year and a half isnt a long time. Or maybe 463 to the wheels isnt as much as 390 to the crank. I guess I am just confused as to what I am missing.

And you have missed the point of my post and other people's now. A S/C LS-1 is not gonna make more hp than that without changing internals. As it is that LS-1 is running a limited life. A stock LS-1 is not good high boost engine. A 03 cobra long block vs. an LS-1 long block in who is gonna make more power and last using only a S/C is not even a contest. So stop trying to believe it is.

Can a cobra block withstand more hp than an ls1? I haven't seen any numbers going either way. What can a Cobra take purly stock? How much hp can a cobra block withstand stock, and how long can it run at this level (the important part).

The only argument that I can see being feasible at the moment is the intial cost the ls1 needs get to where the cobra already begins with. When things start to get real excessive (lots of hp) things will probably be pretty much even by then. Their both good motors IMO.

There is an ALUMINUM 98 Cobra block currently pulling duty in a 1600hp tube framed, twin turbo Cougar race car. It is worth noting that the only changes made to the short block were connecting rods and fasteners. Connecting rods were the "weak link" in the n/a Cobra bottm end btw.

The 03/04 Cobra has vastly better connecting rods (I belive they are the same as the "race" Cougar is running) which means you could essentially shove a bone stock 03-04 Cobra bottom end under there and it would live. I would, however, advise replacing the fasteners. I can believe that a LS1 block could endure this, and they have, but no way is the entire bottom end taking this kind of abuse.

Secondly, Vettribution sounds like the typical "the Cobra isn't really faster" whiner. How much boost is your buddy in the T/A pulling? Makes a big difference and a hundred-dollar pulley can solve that. You say "your buddy" can do anything else a Cobra owner can do...but he can't. He can't run as much boost as the Cobra without mnaking major changes as his compression wont allow it. And, Cobra's with more boost run 500rwhp plus while stock Cobra's dyno at 360-370rwhp btw.

Hey, since were talking about equals how about I shove a 6.0L heat-treated aluminum modular block and stroker crank under the Cobra's top end and see what happens. I mean, it's unfair that the Cobra has a blower right. Hell, lets give the Cobra LS1-like cubes and REALLY make it interesting. I mean, THATS the potential isn't it?

Truly pathetic.

Can a cobra block withstand more hp than an ls1? I haven't seen any numbers going either way. What can a Cobra take purly stock? How much hp can a cobra block withstand stock, and how long can it run at this level (the important part).

The only argument that I can see being feasible at the moment is the intial cost the ls1 needs get to where the cobra already begins with. When things start to get real excessive (lots of hp) things will probably be pretty much even by then. Their both good motors IMO.


How many bones stock long block LS-1 are pushing 700+ RWHP? There is more than 5 03 Cobras doing it.

No-one knows what the absolute limits of an 03 Cobra long block are yet. There still trying to get there and how long it will last at that.

As far as how long the 700+RWHP 03 Cobras one has made over 50 1/4 mile passes without grenading.


Now find me and LS1 making 700+ RWHP that has the stock long block. Then find one that has made at least 20 1/4 mile passes. That is why this argument is more than feasible.

The fucking 03 Cobra motor was desgined to be a boosted to shit motor from the beginning what don't you guys get about that?!?!? Trying to to compare an LS1 to a 03 Cobra motor in a boost battle is like me trying to compare a 302 to a Supra TT motor in a boost contest my ass is gonna get whooped just like the LS1 does. It is a great N/A motor but what makes it a great N/A motor makes it a bad FI motor stock. If you idiots can't see that I can't help you cause it's basic engine design 101.

How many bones stock long block LS-1 are pushing 700+ RWHP? There is more than 5 03 Cobras doing it.

No-one knows what the absolute limits of an 03 Cobra long block are yet. There still trying to get there and how long it will last at that.

As far as how long the 700+RWHP 03 Cobras one has made over 50 1/4 mile passes without grenading.


Now find me and LS1 making 700+ RWHP that has the stock long block. Then find one that has made at least 20 1/4 mile passes. That is why this argument is more than feasible.

The fucking 03 Cobra motor was desgined to be a boosted to shit motor from the beginning what don't you guys get about that?!?!? Trying to to compare an LS1 to a 03 Cobra motor in a boost battle is like me trying to compare a 302 to a Supra TT motor in a boost contest my ass is gonna get whooped just like the LS1 does. It is a great N/A motor but what makes it a great N/A motor makes it a bad FI motor stock. If you idiots can't see that I can't help you cause it's basic engine design 101.
I agree with most of your posts and I do admit that some people are biased and fail to see what a truly awesome car the Cobra is but now your name calling and bashing which isn't cool. I also think that anyone will agree that in your need for more horsepower you get to a point where your going to be looking to FI, may it be NOS, Turbo or supercharger whatever. The great thing that you mentioned about the Cobra is its already set up to be force injected but don't tell me that mods aren't in order when you get to the 700 + range because I'm farting smoke, and while I could make the point that once you make mods to the LS1 to lower the compression because of the extra cubes you will be able to produce more power I won't. Because rather than put your car down because you fail to see what a great car the LS1 is I would prefer to tell you what its accomplishments are rather than just call you a idiot or things like that