Prelude vs Talon

I'm thinking of buying 1 of those 2 cars, but I was wondering which one would win between a 97 TSI AWD Talon or a 96 VTEC prelude. Which one do you think would be the best to buy between those 2 cars if you take into account the durability, acceleration, engine power and options that come with the car?

I owned a 96 Eagle Talon TSI AWD. It had a little over 100k miles.

As for as stock vs. stock, the Talon is faster than a Prelude VTEC. It also has the nifty little all wheel drive. Plus it's already turbocharged, the engine itself is a very durable block. There's also a very large aftermarket for it.

The Prelude is superior when it comes to design, comforts, handling, and reliability. At 190hp, it's not that far behind, and its got a decently large aftermarket for parts. Downsides, though... its expensive to make it fast, turbo or otherwise.

The 4g63 isnt the most reliable thing there is, and the interior of the Eclipse is suprisingly crowded, as much as the Prelude. My TSI's tranny was going out, as was the clutch at 107k.

If you want a good ride, pick the Prelude. Looking for a powerful car, get the Talon.

If u live in the u.s. than the talon would be faster, if u live in canada, the prelude is def faster.

I'm really getting a kick out of this. You still think it's 205hp? Listen, I did some research on Google, and found NO evidence at all that a Canadian spec SR-V was 205hp, let alone over 200 horses. All the specifications I read listed it at 190hp, just like USDM models.

And no, even a JDM Prelude VTEC stock can't take an AWD Talon. Superior launch resulting from the drivetrain in combination with greater torque will walk on the Prelude.

Because u newbie, i got the motor from japan, its comes with 205hp, the standard srv bought in canada comes with 190hp, grow up kid and learn !

I dont research i know whats in my car because its been dyno tested before the motor was dropped in my car!

I don't like to argue. Okay then. But then there must have been something done to that engine to net you five extra horses. JDM models put out 200hp (I have one in my Prelude).

i dont know, but i know dyno tests dont lie, because i dont like to argue myself

Then why don't you post your dyno slips?

and may i ask why?

b/c you're a xxxxxxx lier, you annoying son of a xxxxx

I don't want to get in the mix of all this. But i never heard anything about a 205hp prelude. OF course with up grade am sure. But stock i don't think so the new H22a4 the engine that comes in the 5th gen luds have 200.

b/c you're a xxxxxxx lier, you annoying son of a xxxxx Please stop the flaming because there is no real reason to do so....
Thank you!

O.K. I heard enough a Talon walking over r beloved Prelude VTEC 4gen....ace's get a vtec then say something...a talon would not walk over a prelude...stock for stock i agree the talon would beat the Lude...but the Lude...has a much better block head everything...sure the talon is turbo but the lude would take him it with headers and intake...trust me talon's r fast but Lude's r even faster ace's get a VTEC LUDE AND THEN put ur own car down till that day comes please stop putting r beloved lude vtec down cause it would so kill a talon stock for stock if u hit ur double cluthing good but no drivers i'm sure the talon would win but not by a whole lot trust me...y u ask...cause the prelude is just as fast as that stupid turbo talon...awd which weights more then r lude...nuff said...talon would win but lose race double cluth good lude wins 2 car win atleast...

Hey, what up.

a talon would not walk over a prelude...stock for stock i agree the talon would beat the Lude...but the Lude...has a much better block head everything...

The Prelude has a much better head? Says who? Based on what? VTEC?

sure the talon is turbo but the lude would take him it with headers and intake...

Here's a craaaazy idea.... What if.... *gasp*, the Talon's got some intake and exhaust mods too?

it would so kill a talon stock for stock if u hit ur double cluthing good but no drivers i'm sure the talon would win but not by a whole lot trust me

Do you even know what double clutching is? And here's another crazy idea: what stops the Talon driver from doing that, too?

awd which weights more then r lude

You're absolutely right, the Eclipse GSX and Talon TSI AWD indeed weigh more. But at what price? With power coming through all four wheels at once and a greater amount of torque, it's guaranteed a better launch with better traction.

get a VTEC LUDE AND THEN put ur own car down till that day comes please stop putting r beloved lude vtec down

You're right again, I don't have a Prelude VTEC. But I thought a Prelude Si with a JDM h22a was close enough to say that. I'm sorry, dude.

I try to be realistic, so that Prelude owners here don't become cocky ricers who think their precious VTEC are end-all solutions to racing.

the talon is heavy as shit think awd? 500lb transfer case. the talon would win stock but u can build of the lude's engine way more int the end stop saying headers its a 4 cylinder peace

the talon is heavy as shit think awd? 500lb transfer case. the talon would win stock but u can build of the lude's engine way more int the end stop saying headers its a 4 cylinder peace

i'm not trying to put you down man, but mearly correcting you. no transfer case weighs 500lb's. even a transfer case in a suburban only wieghs like 80lbs (plenty light enough to pick one up yourself)

205 hp with a K&N filter!
I find it funny that all of you people claim to know more about my car and engine then I do, especially when most of you don't even own this car, yet when i post a question about putting a turbo on, or a question related towards engine and tranny, ur smart ass comments are nowhere to be found!!!

You're right again, I don't have a Prelude VTEC. But I thought a Prelude Si with a JDM h22a was close enough to say that. I'm sorry, dude.

I try to be realistic, so that Prelude owners here don't become cocky ricers who think their precious VTEC are end-all solutions to racing.[/QUOTE]

That's tru...there's nothing worse than ur car hitting vtec and seeing the other car go right by u. Vtec is helpful, but its not everything. Realistically, turbo will out perform vtec...end of story

i know, i dont argue that, thats why i want to get turbo, then blow by everyone!

the talon is heavy as shit think awd? 500lb transfer case. the talon would win stock but u can build of the lude's engine way more int the end stop saying headers its a 4 cylinder peace

What are you talking about? 4 bangers can't have headers? Damn, my header is useless... hehe.

I think you're trying to say something like... "4 cylinders can't have dual exhaust", or "Turbo cars don't use headers", or something intelligible like that.

question, i have a 94 del sol si with a JDM h22a motor swap, fluidyne radiator, venom cam gears, intake, thermal research exhaust, nkg spark wires, stage 1 ACT racing cluch,B&M fuel pressure regulator running 42 PSI, RSR headers, hi flow cat, no power steering, no AC...and my friend i know has 96 eagle talon tsi with what he claims is a JDM crate eagle talon motor with a stock turbo..would i take him or would he take me?

Off the line the talon will prob take you. But in the top end id imagine that you can.

O.K. I heard enough a Talon walking over r beloved Prelude VTEC 4gen....ace's get a vtec then say something...a talon would not walk over a prelude...stock for stock i agree the talon would beat the Lude...but the Lude...has a much better block head everything...sure the talon is turbo but the lude would take him it with headers and intake...trust me talon's r fast but Lude's r even faster ace's get a VTEC LUDE AND THEN put ur own car down till that day comes please stop putting r beloved lude vtec down cause it would so kill a talon stock for stock if u hit ur double cluthing good but no drivers i'm sure the talon would win but not by a whole lot trust me...y u ask...cause the prelude is just as fast as that stupid turbo talon...awd which weights more then r lude...nuff said...talon would win but lose race double cluth good lude wins 2 car win atleast...

I love this quote. The best part has to be about the double clutching. I mean come on. You obviously dont even know why you would double clutch.
Double clutching while upshifting will actualy make you lose time. The purpose of double clutching is to match the speed of the gearbox to the output shaft (if i remember correct). You would only need to do this during a downshift. Also most modern cars will not require this (unless worn syncros). It was used in old cars that have no syncros.

And they rest of what you siad was quite stupid really. I mean, have you driven a Talon? Do you know what turbo is in it? That it has a recurculated BOV? Do you know anything about the car?
What do you base your claim on? Have you raced a TSi AWD talon? Cause if you look at the facts(numbers) you will see that the Talon actualy 1/4 miles faster, as well as accelerates faster.

And where is this dyno slip for the 205hp. I would love to see this. And you said the engine was dynoed before it was put in your car. And it dynoed at 205hp with a K&N filter. Ok, well lets see now. The engine coes with 200flywheel hp stock. Now you add a K&N to that which will net you maby 5flywheel hp. So if the engine was in PERFECT condition, meaning every seal working perfcet, no detonation. Nothing wrong at all. Bascily no miles. That you may hit 205flywheel hp on an engine dyno. But there is no way you could hit 205hp to the wheels with just a K&N filter.

i love when people talk about double clutching... LOL. you're right FTDD, it is a downshift method. you wanna have faster upshifts, you don't use the clutch at all, and surly don't let off the gas.

nice smack on srvboy too, hehe

LOL. I just hate being blatently lied to. I mean come on. Do people really think that they can tell people who work on these cars for a living what kind of power they are making with a filter? Like really.

Take my cousind for example. He said that he had his car dynoed at his school and he made 200whp. He had a 92 Si, H23 with short ram intake, DC headerm and Apexi catback. So he had 160flywheel hp stock if all was working perfectly, then he got 40hp from I/H/E. LOL. Give me a brake. I ask him for a dyno sheet, his resopnse "I dont have to prove it to you". LOL So full of shit.

Moral of the story, JUST TELL THE TRUTH.

FDTT u must be really stupid cause double clutching helps u a lot specially when u got a car like my's that's VTEC u moron....double clutching is good in 1st and 2nd 3rd 4th 5th not really 3rd maybe double clutching is design so if u over rev or start off shitting saying u start off slow then u with u hit the whole gas all the way in it won't help u for shit since ur car's still needs to hit higher rpm put if u put in the cluth and hit the gas lightly u hit up ur rpm faster causing ur car to burn rubber over and ur gone...and saying u over rev 1st then when u hit 2nd ur rpm will fall all the way down causing u do hit a shitting 2nd gear and losses seconds...do if u double cluth and hit ur rpm well enough to kick in the vtec ur car will burn rubber again and ur off.......dude...ur so stupid cause...a prelude with vtec will double clutch and u would notice a big difference..i hate stupid people that don't know what the hell there talking about...and have u driven a 4th Gen Prelude VTEC>???huh have u....dude..in a good run u should burn rubber in 1st,2nd double cutch 2nd going to 3rd so a total of about 4 times if u really kow anything about racing u wil agree but since u don't...then no wonder u have no conf. in ur car...i'm doing 205 with DC HEADERS AND a short RAM...dyno this NUTTS i'll show u...when u c my big fat prelude vtec azz...(only rookies like u don't belive in double clutch 1. they don't know how to double clutch 2. ur just 2 stupid to get double clutch right...and drive a vtec and double clutch a vtec and u'll c what i'm talking about till then shut the f up....Talon r just low budget Eclipse nuff said...my Lude would take it...

ConsumerGUIDE REPORTS:

Talon:
A stiffer body structure makes this Talon feel more solid than before, and also provides better isolation from mechanical vibrations. The longer wheelbase and wider stance of this generation impart a more secure feel on the road. Especially in performance-oriented trim, Talons hug the pavement smartly and stay flat through curves, maneuvering with agility and nimbleness.
These Talons aren't too much heavier than their predecessors, but since horsepower grew little, performance isn't noticeably better. An ESi performs reasonably well with the manual gearbox; but below 3500 rpm, the base 4-cylinder engine feels weak. Lack of power is even more obvious with the automatic transmission, when you need to pass or merge into fast-moving traffic.


The turbocharged engine feels strong with either transmission but suffers some "turbo lag," in which power arrives a moment or two after the throttle is floored. Even so, acceleration with manual shift is super from a standstill, if a bit less invigorating at higher speeds, when needed for passing and merging.


Smooth-shifting in general, the 5-speed manual gearbox can get clanky at times, and resist entry into the lower gears. The Talon's clutch engages neatly, in a sporty manner.


Ride quality diminishes greatly over bad pavement in stiffly sprung turbo models, which become bouncy and choppy when rolling through rough spots. Even on the highway, the ride can get a bit rough. Road noise is prominent on all Talons, but engine noise isn't bad. Braking prowess is excellent with the available antilocking setup.


Despite slightly greater shoulder room, there's no abundance of front-seat space, though six-footers have adequate room. The optional sunroof cuts into front headroom, however. The small rear seat is best suited for pre-schoolers--though most sport-coupe rivals are little better. The hatchback layout makes the most of available cargo space, but items stored in the rear are not as secure as in cars with a regular trunk.


Over-the-shoulder visibility could be better. The turbo model's monstrous rear spoiler blocks part of the rearward view, but most drivers can see just about everything, peering either above or below that obstacle. Despite tiny auxiliary gauges, the control and instrument layout in a driver-oriented cockpit is good.

4th Gen. Prelude:
Space up front is okay, but split-back rear seats really are tight--best left to toddlers--and the Prelude's skimpy trunk is tinier than before. Controls are conveniently placed and typically Honda-friendly, but Prelude instruments are annoyingly odd. Warning lights stretch all across the dashboard top, sitting too far to the right for easy checking while underway. Vacuum-fluorescent fuel and temperature gauges are near the center, difficult to read.
On the plus side, expect strong performance and good fuel economy. All engines are turbine-smooth. While a base-model Prelude's acceleration is only adequate, the Si feels snappy, and the VTEC is sports-car quick. The automatic transmission hurts performance only slightly, but it has poor shift quality and seems to wander haphazardly through the gears at highway speeds. Test stick-shift Si Preludes have yielded a reasonably frugal 23.1 mpg in daily driving.


Cornering is flat and grippy, handling poised and responsive. Stopping ability is commendable, but lack of antilock braking on the S model is unfortunate. We haven't found that 4-wheel steering helps much, yielding only a small gain in maneuvering ease. Not many are around, anyway.

I'll take the Prelude VTEC thank u!!

and a true...racer know's that it's not about stats if it was nobody would race and mustangs would be very beat skyline's stocked tho yet they get killed all the time by Honda's....nuff said...eat that FDTT

you need a chill pill dude

FDTT... he has a JDM h22a from what I understand it, power output being 200hp at the flywheel. I've got the same engine. 5hp from a K&N filter is perfectly legitimate.

Here's a good writeup on double clutching.
http://www.driversedge.com/dblcltch.htm

Double clutching reminds me too much of F&F.

*shivers*

Well looks like you all need to re read my post. Like i said if the engine was dynoed on an engine stand then yes you would possibly see 205 flywheel hp. But no to the wheels.

Second double clutching will slow you down when upshifting. Its quite simple to figure out. The time it takes you to push the clutch in, pull out of gear, release the clutch, push in the clutch, push into gear and release the clutch. That would take far more time than simply powershifting into gear.

If you mean matching the RPM when you shift then yes you will be faster. But doubleclutching will not make you any faster. It is a technique used to match RPM's whill downshifting. Mainly used in large commircial trucks and dog-toothed gearbox cars that have no syncros.

And yes i have driven a 4th gen VTEC, as well as 5th gens, i have a 3rd gen, and ive driven 2nd gens as well.

You can continue to beleave that you will beat all these cars. But numbers dont lie.

This thread is funny as hell! Heres my say: A skilled driver in a vtec prelude will be able to hold his own against an awd talon in a street race. 9 times out of 10 the talon will edge out the prelude due to its awd launch capabilities. And that 1 race that the prelude wins is due to driver error on the talons end. In street racing the driver plays the biggest role in the outcome of the race. I have beat an awd talon but it was because of a mishift. he had me off the line and up through 3rd but he missed 4th and thats all i needed to pass him. vtec preludes stand a much better chance of winning against a gs-t. And then the big difference is in the aftermarket...The eclipse / talon can be made much quicker with a few mods and for a lot cheaper then you could a prelude.

SBallerk and SRV BOY you two clowns need to stop kidding yourself! the 4g63 talons and eclipses are one of the best platforms around, when it comes to making crazy gobs of FI power for relatively small amounts of money. I am yet to see a drag race where a lightly modded prelude has ever beaten a lightly modded TSi or GSX.
I'm not taking anything away from the Prelude, it's an incredible ride, and probably would stop the Talon on a road course.
You two give Honda enthusiasts a bad reputation. VTEC is great, but a turbo is much better. So go ahead and drive your inherently superior VTEC preludes against a TSi or a GSX on the street, and then we'll see who's laughing.

Why would the Talon win in the US but not Canada? US AND CANADA CARS ARE THE SAME. In every post this guy tries to differentiate the cars and make it seem like Canadian cars are different, or that his is better because it's Canadian, or some other insane idea. Did you ever think your car was probably made in US somewhere and shipped up here? I'm so tired of hearing this. First he says the Prelude in Canada would win for WHO knows why, then he begins to say that he has engine swaps(which aren't even going to give him hp) and an air intake that's good for virtually nothing other than the fact that you're able to say you spent the money on it. How does that equate to Canadian Preludes being faster because you have mods?

All things equal there is no Prelude that will take an AWD Talon stock for stock in a drag.. The 2g's have 210hp/215torque and AWD which makes it pretty much already have the race won right off the line no matter if it weighs 200lbs more. The Talon run 14.7-14.9's, Ludes are 15+ cars. Preludes are better handling and better built and more reliable and all that but for a silly little drag, no matter how much you want to think "our precious Prelude" or "our beloved VTEC" you aren't going to somehow magically win because of it.

O.K. guys....Silly me made some stupid comments about how the Prelude would kill a Talon.....well...that was then this is NOW...

Talon Turbo or Eclipse Trubo would beat a stock Prelude any day simple reason's AWD and Turbo!!

Besides Talon's and Eclipse fit in the lower half part or heavy weight's

while a Lude is more of a Lightweight STOCK atleast!!

but here's what I think there's nothing like kicking in VTEC in a Prelude i mean hit it on a Accord,Odd., or any other honda non-Prelude and it's not the same....(ok no RSX's...I said HONDA guys!!) it feels CRAZY!!!and has more then enough power to beat most riced up CARS!!! and i'm sure TURBO feels even crazier but with only lil other 20 more HP on a stock turbo i don't think it's worth buying a talon and over 100k talon's r pretty much worthless (Re-Sale wise so r turbo Eclipse)and Turbo power decrease a lot or miles and Years!! turst me

If u want a really fast car for a 1 year or so get a TALON!!

If u want a really fast car for many year's and be able to throw in a turbo some day and meet up with super heavy weight's RX7's (damn I love them!!!) supra's, Eclipse's, s2000, RSX type S, Integra Type R, suit up CRX's (damn there FAST!!) muscle car's, etc. u'll c most of those people will have mad RESPECT FOR U and say what the!!! Trubo LUDE...then come race time WoW that Lude is FAST!! and u'll also c Lude's r that SLOW and atleast a how long longer then more Stock turbo Car's... O.K. some Example's...

RX7: tho I LOVE them it's hard to buy one for the reason there know to blow out tranny's fast and need a stupid REBUILT every 1 to 3 year's depending on how u repesct it....(cause of no piston's, turbo etc.)

Talon and Eclipse: simple reason they give many problems other 100k and there now mostly other that number...

I keep going but the simple facts R that: these heavy weights r faster then any Prelude stock and would kill u but then again...I would have more pride on suiting up a Lude to 12 sec's but then again that's just me!!!

if u really want a fast reliable 9 sec car get a Supra LoL...nuff said

This is such an old thread... if you guys really want another DSM vs Prelude discussion, make a new one. Some of the arguments here are sort of ridiculous.

"and i'm sure TURBO feels even crazier but with only lil other 20 more HP on a stock turbo i don't think it's worth buying a talon and over 100k talon's r pretty much worthless (Re-Sale wise so r turbo Eclipse)and Turbo power decrease a lot or miles and Years!! turst me"


I don'y know man, there's a world of a difference between turbo and NA 4-cyl. You'll feel a drastic increase of power in the mid-range with the stock T-25 versus revving your engine to redline to acheive VTEC. Just go drive one man. A 2.2 VTECH turbo would be crazier though, once I get the money that's another project... I wonder if they can be AWD'd? What donor diffrential would i need...

No "Donor" Available.

You'd need to custom fabricate your own drivetrain.

$$$$$$$!!!!

Well son of a... I thought I closed this thing. Well here it goes, again.