camber kit

Situation: I'm finally lowering my 99 Civic coupe and about to purchase an Ingalls camber kit - and a friend says he has a unused front kit without the balljoints for sale at an ridiciously low price - so ...

Question: Do I need the Ingalls balljoints? or can I wait an grab them later?

Help please :)

i would get em now, so you don't have to take apart you suspension and do it later. its about the easiest thing when lowering a car.

Originally posted by mAtC
Situation: I'm finally lowering my 99 Civic coupe and about to purchase an Ingalls camber kit - and a friend says he has a unused front kit without the balljoints for sale at an ridiciously low price - so ...

Question: Do I need the Ingalls balljoints? or can I wait an grab them later?

Help please :)

You can always buy new ball joints, but here is a tidbit.
My Kmac kit uses a floating ball joint. One side (ball joint has failed already, twice.) If it were another design such as the Ingalls and the ball joint failed (if you did not use there ball joint) you would be out the time and money of having it pulled, re-aligned, etc. Pay the 250$ now and get the kit, and have it covered if it goes out.

I would say for a high load item, Get the full kit from Ingalls, you have your guarentee, and the piece of mind your A-arm is attached, and ready to take a beating.

hey Dezoris how are the kmac camber kit i was looking into them. tell me a little about it. should i get those or ingall

Originally posted by GrayAccord
hey Dezoris how are the kmac camber kit i was looking into them. tell me a little about it. should i get those or ingall
I can tell you they are not popular in the US. They are made in Austrailia. I have talked to the engineer that makes them, and like always they are improving them constantly.

As far as Hondas go, I would say it depends on what model you have.
These kits are track and race tested mostly on ITRs. They make them for other models.

The front kit uses an adjustable ball joint, instead of cam bolts to move the wheel in and out at the a-arm mounting point. The advantage?
Well you don't need to replace the a-arm, the kit is very well made, but if you don't plan on really dropping the car, then the adjustability is not that great. Example, I raised my car close to stock height, wanted to keep some negative camber in the front. Nope, I could get it exactly at 0 degrees, which is great, but I would have to lower it about an 1-2" to get the negative camber I wanted. Now if you are slammed and are in need of killing negative camber, this is the kit for you.

This is the only kit on the market that uses this design, it can be adjusted and aligned fairly easy.

The rear kit however, does not uses the tradition trailing arm adjustment. The bushings press into your control arms, inner and outer.
SO if you have a tie bar, say bye bye to that.
Here are the pictures
http://www.dezoris.com/kmac2.jpg
http://www.dezoris.com/kmac3.jpg
http://www.dezoris.com/kmac4.jpg
As you can see, these bushings by turning the that screw in this picture
http://www.dezoris.com/sub.JPG
the bolt has special threads that move the bushings, moving the control arm in and out. The best thing about this, is that you have very precise control of the camber, and you can adjust it on the fly, at the track without the car raised. As you can see by the pics, you needed to have the stock bushings pressed out, and the new ones pressed in, and since these kits were really tested on the ITR control arms, that attach to the bushing in 2 spots vs the Civic's one, my control arms slipped off the bushings. So I had to replace the arms the kit, and find a place or finally get goodyear to align it, the first time they spun the bushings on the control arms, stripping them, because they had no idea how to adjust them.
What type of car do you have?
Will you race it?

If you don't have the integra type control arms and don't plan to race, then I would not recommend the rear kit.

The front is up to you. Ingalls is proven design (and copied by many)
If you are maintaining a stock height then the kmac is not for you.
Hope this helps

i got an accord 96, i dont plan on racing it, my drop is like 2inches and my camber is at almost -3 my tires are going out. i was planing on getting the ingall extreme kit but heard nothing but problems with them. so i was just courious about the kmac

Then you might consider the kmac front kit and ingalls rear.

thanks for the info on the kmac it really help me. i might just try the bolt and washer on the rear, its only like -1.4

Originally posted by GrayAccord
i got an accord 96, i dont plan on racing it, my drop is like 2inches and my camber is at almost -3 my tires are going out. i was planing on getting the ingall extreme kit but heard nothing but problems with them. so i was just courious about the kmac Are the Ingalls camber kits really that bad? I´ll lower my 5th gen Lude in the next week and I might need a camber kit. Problem is that camber kits are more than just uncommon over here and I´ve only found two shops who are selling them. The first has got a kit only for the front and its price is about $300 !!! The second has got a complete kit but it´s from Ingalls!! I want to lower my Lude for about 1,5". I really dunno what I should do! Some guys from HondaPrelude.com told me that they´ve lowered their 5th gen Ludes for about 2" and that their camber was still okay. How is it possible that it seems to differ with every car? I really need some good advice about that!:(

Originally posted by Veetec
Are the Ingalls camber kits really that bad?

Absolutly not - they are the premier camber out their at the moment in my opinion.

Some guys from HondaPrelude.com told me that they´ve lowered their 5th gen Ludes for about 2" and that their camber was still okay. How is it possible that it seems to differ with every car?

It really depends on how you ride your car. Do you screech around corners, peel out, and go rallying, or go Sunday-driving? The fact is with a lowered car: without a good camber kit, you will wear out your tires a lot faster than with.

You need to ask those guys at HondaPrelude if they have actually checked their tire wear or just the perpendicular appearance.

Originally posted by mAtC


It really depends on how you ride your car. Do you screech around corners, peel out, and go rallying, or go Sunday-driving? The fact is with a lowered car: without a good camber kit, you will wear out your tires a lot faster than with.

You need to ask those guys at HondaPrelude if they have actually checked their tire wear or just the perpendicular appearance. My ride is just a normal daily driver and will never be driven on a track or anything like that. But a little bit of negative camber would actually be good because we have got a lot of curves in our cities. Only the highways (Autobahn) are kind of straight. But I have got the stock rims on it and IMO the wheel-wells will look too empty when I would have too much negative camber (do you know what I mean?).
So you would say that I should get the Ingalls kit when I would need one?
One of the guys from HondaPrelude.. is a Honda mechanic and he told me that his camber would still be within specs! And I´d guess he knows what he´s talking of!?
I´m sorry when I´m getting on anybodies nerves with this but like I´ve already said there is nearly nobody who can help me over here!:(