s14 vs evo ?? help

Hi i have a really big >??
i have a 1997 240sx with a s13 blacktop sr20det i have a grip of upgrades but nothing really major i putting 278hp to the wheels and ive tried to lighten the car up a bit. im in the airforce and my friend just got a evo VII and were going to the desert for like 6months soon so well save up quite a bit for the cars (12k-14k)

well my problem is we have a bet if the s14 can out handle the evo on the track and 1/4mile i dont think i can take him on the 1/4mile but the track is mine. what upgrades do you guys think i should do he's going to be pushing like 400-450 hp on the evo. im looking to completely upgrade the suspension and rebuild the engine should i stroke it out to 2.2 and make it a beast or is 500hp capable on a rebuilt sr20det (upgraded pistons, rods, head, etc)


any help would be great thanks

First off...those numbers are sounding like :bs: without some mod lists.

Second off - the Evo is gonna eat you up and shit you back out on the road, strip, whatever.

anythings posible with money

Assuming they're putting ~ the same amount of money into their cars - the evo will still beat the 240 on the track and on the strip. Unless the driver of the Evo can't drive.

And assuming this guy is actually managing to put 278 TO THE WHEELS on an engine that barely turns 200 at the crank...

Evo still comes out the winner. I know I'm Benchracing but it will take some serious mods and driving to take down an Evo that's been roughly equally modded. So it's still staying up. :bs:

HMmmmmmmmmmm

welp if it were my bet.....

I would get some slicks

I would get some better brakes

I would spend the remaining money on suspension parts

then I would lighten up everything i possibly could(free)


280rwhp s14 could take a 400hp evo on the track, if its set up right.

Buy some decent TRACK coilovers, If you get ones with some real stiff springs(like 10k front 12k rear or even 12/14) you won't need to waiste money and weight on beefier aftermarket sway bars since the springs will take care of body roll. In that scenario I would keep the stock hollow sway bars and just add some poly. bushings to them. Bushings and subframe spacers also are great mods, the harder they are the better and more solid the car is, but also the more jarring the ride will be.

then visit SPLparts.com and spend the rest of your money on suspension parts like control arms and tie rods etc..

maybe even spend a grand and get a roll cage put in that connects the front and rear subframes.


I would focus most of my time and money on: Weight, Driving Skill, braking power, and grip. I think its been proved enough a lower HP car can beat a Higher HP car on a track.


if you want some advice on exactly what kinda suspension parts to buy and from where, just tell me.


oh and also, as hard as it could be, don't tell him what mods you are going to do! This is key as he might invest all his money on engine power while not being able to use it, if he thinks you are doing the same. Then just goto the track and hit em up with 280hp and a badass chassis LOL.

If he's really running those numbers :rolleyes:

Then I'd gut'er and put some serious racing suspension on it.

But the Evo's already got a god-like suspension and for like 12k like he said - that Evo's gonna be pushing huge numbers if done right - and have money left over to improve the already great suspension.

It would come out to driver skill in that scenario imho.

no factory car has god like suspension when it comes to the track

you can eat an EVO alive if you know what parts to pick

^ agree

The Benefit To The Evo Is The Expansive Handling Control Systems. The Power Output Of The Evo Could Be Increased Easily And Cheaply To About 400hp To The Ground, Suspension Beefed Up, Sticky Tires, Lots Of Weight Reductions, Braking Upgrades And Its Going To Be Hard To Touch With A Silvia. The Awd System Will Put Power To The Ground More Effectively, The AYC And ACD Systems Will Distribute Power Evenly And Smoothly Around Corners, And The Suspension Mods Will Help The Car Control Better, Stop Faster, And Turn Tighter.

You Have To Remember Your Dealing With A Rally Bred Car...... And Most People Don't Realize That Rally Is The Ability To Take On All Areas Of Racing; Being Mud, Snow, Dirt, Gravel, Asphualt, Sand, Whatever Its Built To Perform On Whatever You Throw At It.

and most people don't realize when it comes to the track and modified cars it doesn't really matter what kind of car you have.

I seen modified s15's take out modified GTR's on the track, and I regard GTR as a better car then the EVO. I've seen a modded AE86 with about 200hp take out a GTR on a togue run TWICE!(Tsuchiya was driving the 86)

these are things on the Best Motoring DVD's. These are great movies and feature a lot of track testing mainly.


Back to my original statement, you can make a Pinto kick a ferrari's ass on a race track, all depends on how far from stock the car is, the proper suspension settings, and a good driver.

with 14k spent on the chassis of a S14 it could probably whip a 450hp EVO horribly. And why would the new EVO be easier to mod then a SR20? I think it would be harder and more expensive.

Umm The Evos Have Used The Same Engines Since The Evo Iii, The 4g63. I Know That You Can Make Anything Win But Certain Systems Will Perform Better Than Others. The Gtr And The Evo Are On Two Different Playing Fields And I'd Take An Evo Over The Gtr Anyday Of The Week, But This Is Personal Opinion. Btw: The Evo Vii Is Not The Newest One.

Well, maybe not easier...

But the 4g63 is pretty open to mods as seen in Eclipses and Talons... so you could go to dsmtuners.com or whatever else to get motor parts for the 4g63... and upgrade the Evo's suspension as well - making it a formidable car.

I mean really - this isn't two hardcore racers we're talking about doing this - just two regular car enthusiasts who are in the armed forces... It'd come down to who knew their car better.

EVO VII suck...assuming u live in america we only got a FWD non-turbo EVO VII we didn't get the turbo AWD till the EVO VIII came out.

We Never Got The Evo Vii Buddy. We Got A Lancer And The Evoiii.

theres other things you don't consider either......


The Evo drivetrain layout sucks compared to the F/R of the 240sx for modification, it is more compact, more complex piping, longer and more bends on the piping, and a lot more heat soak, since all the intercooler plumbing runs over the exhaust manifold.

The GTR retains a F/R style engine mounting and will fucken work a EVO, again no replacement for displacement, mod for mod 2.7 Liters are going to make more power then 2.0L, not too mention have better turbo response with the greater volume of exhaust gasses.

then you have the fact that the EVo is AWD, with 3 differentials, the tranny and clutch also take a lot more abuse. That would be extra money spent there with no real benefit on a dry race track. sure the awd will put down more power through a corner on street style cars, but when it comes to dry pavement with a car setup for the track and running slicks it really isn't THAT much of a difference. I don't see F1 cars running AWD, or JGtcc, or Nascar, I can give you rally racing where it is off road and a 4x4 rules there, but hell even some rally cars are not AWD and they are very competitive.



Like I said, its very possible for you to beat him, you just have to be smarter and startegic.

a GTR will work an Evo because the GTR has the more advanced AWD system.

But we're talking about an S13, not a GTR.

ive seen a silvia beat a gtr and 2 evos

I'll Agree With Your Last Statement Sr20detpower.
Mediocrity Stock For Stock A Gtr Will Beat A Evo Because Its Lighter And Has More Power, But I've Seen Tons Of Videos Of Evos Beating Gtrs And Vise Versa. A Cars Performance Is Only Achieved By The Person Behind The Wheel.

I'm not arguing the GTR vs. the Evo.

The guy has an S13, not a GTR

Mediocrity: No, I Know Your Not I Was Just Telling You.

Hey, Branch Tell Your Friend To Sell His Evo And Find A Subaru 22b Sti..... I Should Move To Japan And Buy One Of Those, God I Love H4 Turbo Power!

We Never Got The Evo Vii Buddy. We Got A Lancer And The Evoiii.
i always thought that the Lancer and the Evo(evolution) were the same car...Evo was just used to tell the the major body changes from the different years

no theres base models that are just called Lancer, then theres the higher performance one called the Evolution with turbo and AWD

same type of deal as a SR20DE Silvia vs SR20DET Silvia

GT-S Skyline vs GTR Skyline

300zx 2x2 vs 300zx twin turbo

Supra N/A vs Supra Twin Turbo

you get the idea lol

yeah...just thought for some reason that all the Lancer/Evos were AWD Turbo untill we got a shitty lancer overhere..and Europe got the turbo AWD VII later that year...

We Haven't Seen Any Evos Other Than The Evo 8. The Lancers Are The Base Model Mitsu Run Of The Mill Crap..... I Sure Wished Mitsu Brought Over The True Gto And Fto Gpx! Those Are Badass Cars. Subaru Should Have Brought The Wrx And Sti Line Out Back In '98 And Its Company Would Be "on Top" Of The Import Scene.

evo vs S13...... i hope the S13 dude is rich... i have all the bolt ons for my s13 and i barlly beat teh evo on the free way, i still think he just let his foot of the gas. so imagine a 400 hp evo....not too fresh!!!!

me and my ca18 beat GTR's s15's Evos everyday! :) (i wish)

the GTO in japan is our 3000gt

No Its Not..... The Gto Has Many Differences From Our 3000gt, Which Is Why I Said True Gto.

was there something better than the 3000GT VR4?

The Tt Gto In Japan.

tt? twin turbo? the VR4 is Twin turbo

he must be thinking about our lower model 3000gt's


there is also a Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo that is the same as the Vr-4.

the have the 3.0L twin turbo V6, AWD, and 4 wheel steering.

Exactly what the GTO is.


we also have lower model Stealths and 3000gt's that are just FWD and naturally aspirated v6's...they are real dogs too.

No I Know The Vr-4 Is Twin Turbo With Awd.

The Japanese Models Are Lighter, Have Better Body Styling, Have The Better Active Suspension Control Unit, Better Front To Rear Torque Bias, And Have Bigger Twins.

No I Know The Vr-4 Is Twin Turbo With Awd.

The Japanese Models Are Lighter, Have Better Body Styling, Have The Better Active Suspension Control Unit, Better Front To Rear Torque Bias, And Have Bigger Twins.

My girl has bigger twins too!

so .... did the S-14 won or the evo???? did the guy even respond to the thread???

Nope.

wtf?!

My girl has bigger twins too!
this thread is worthless without pics!

and this thread is horribly off topic!


keeping up with the faith though.....

the 3000gt went through 3 styling changed and generations. Some are better then others and look different. The Japanese ones u prolly seen were a diff generation then the one you might have seen in America.

be it a GTO or a 3000gt ...to me they suck..like an obese eclipse...:nono:

We dont have the GTO MR here in the US, we only have the VR-4