2g GST/GSX vs. 95-96 Mustang Cobra

Okay, I am probably going to end up getting a car next week when I am home from school over spring break, and I've wanted an eclipse for some time now. But I keep hearing people praising RWD cars for their performance off the line and at high speeds. So this lead me into looking at mustangs. So, how do you all think a 1995 mustang cobra (240hp 285 tq) would match up against a gst? What about a gsx? And considering that this will be my daily driver, which car is more reliable? I have this same thread goin on the mustang forum, and people keep claiming it will be easier to get a stang into the 12s than a dsm. Also, I am not going to be looking for super drag times like 10's...but I would like to be in the 12's as cheaply and reliably as possible. (96 and up cobras push upwards of 300 hp, so I don't think lightly modded dsm's could hang with them, but lemme hear your opinions on that too!)

Daily driver?

Get a GSX.
It's not honestly that freaking hard to get a GSX into the 12's and when you start managing to push that - you still have a car that can get you around in rain and snow... and isn't an ugly mother fucker.

And if you really wanted to start putting a lot of money into it - you can push 10's decently easy too.

The mustang will require more gas, with the Eclipse, you could do small mods and get the same performance.

Does it snow where you live?
If so i think the mustang is going to suck in the winter

The mustang will require more gas, with the Eclipse, you could do small mods and get the same performance.

it's true... one of my buddies has a mustang and he kept complain to me how much gas his horse eats. it might be true that mustang is more durable, since most american cars seem that way. but IMOP eclipse GST/X just looks so much better, and more options when it comes to upgrade (you'll have more fun with).

I dunno Rice, the 4g63 motor is nice and durable...

i am not talking about the engine. but for the purpose of general and overal durability. there is certain no doubt that those Jap engines are incredibly powerful and durable.

but i think if we were to talk about real durability, those german cars are the REAL bad azz!!.. like those beatles, those fuckers are still around :ylsuper: :dupe: :worshippy

they simply won't DIE! :banghead:

IMO you should stick w/ the gsx if your looking for a daily driving car and not a race car. And yes its true, mustangs do burn alot of gas. But hey, its your money and your decision.
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i wonder what all those mustang guy's are sayin... they are probly diss'n us cuz they always get spanked...lol
once you go DSM you never go back!!!

I own a 99 SVT Cobra and i know a lot about mustangs so maybe i can help.. heres some stats to help ya out:

1994 Cobra 0-60=5.9sec and 1/4 in 14.8

1996 cobra 0-60 in 5.4 sec and 1/4 in 14 flat

1999 Cobra:) 0-60 in 4.8 1/4 in 13.5

2003+ Cobra 0-60 in 4.7 sec and 1/4 in 12.5-12.7

Stock for stock Any Cobra will rape a DSM

I went to the track two weekends ago and there was an older like 92 eclipse GSX running 14.7 with some mods, daytona running 14.4, and a 98 NON turbo DSM eclipse running 16 something... I honestly think you would be happier with a Cobra.. They are not that bad on gas.. all cars are crappy on gas when you beat on them.. when i first got my Cobra it was stock and if i drove it nice i could get 350 miles from a tank easy.. I never fill my tank either... I personally have driven many new and old DSM's, SRT-4's and a couple other turbo cars.. Stock eclipses really don't have any balls.. i would buy an srt-4 over a 98 eclipse.. way faster, but i'm very happy with my Cobra.. When i went to the track, first time with the car, i ran 13.4 with bald tires and the only mods i have right now are flowmaster catback system and underdrive pullies.. i just purchased nitto 555R drag radials and i know i can get a 13.1 or 13.2 out of it with the mods i have.. so to date i've spent 129 on three pullies and 340 on a cat back and the car is almost running 12's.. stock the car pumped out 279rwhp..

To further help you out, i know a friend who has an older talon.. we call him joe talon lol he got his talon running high 12's, but the thing was a mess.. he was blowing hoses left and right and it ran like shit.. thing about going turbo is you must know how to tune or have money to have someone tune it for you.. I also have a friend whos GSR we have installed a turbo kit in and a prelude in which we installed a jackson racing supercharger.. so i know my way around boost alittle.. hope my experience can help you out on your decision.. personally i'd go mustang Cobra 100%

However, heres what i would use a DSM for.. I'd find one in fairly decent condition off autotrader or the paper.. spend 2k at most just buying the car... get it home and tear it apart, rebuild the bottom end and boost the shit out of it in a controlled manner... No offense to anyone in this forum, but DSM aren't known for reliability... So i'd make a cheap rebuildable project out of it.. just totally gutt the interior and everything.. straight up race car..

sorry to say but the dude already bought a car... and this thread is almost 2 months old!

but on the other subject...how much did you spend on your car? i'll tell you right off the bat i spent about $5000 on mine (one in the sig)... wanna race for slips? probably not huh, see mustangs are expensive, (price and insurance) so for the money you spend on it, you could put that into a DSM and be fast as shit compared to your cobra! hell i'll even race ya in my GST, i spent around the same on that car, havent even raced it yet, as a matter of fact it has 850 miles on the rebuilt 6 bolt motor! dont know what it will run, i dont even know what to expect for HP yet, i'll know in a week when i am done breaking it in!

a Ford will always be a ford! it will never change... just a Fucked Over Rebuilt Dodge!!!

Too bad no sports car owner keeps their easily modifiable car stock. In that case, consider the following:
There is a 550whp Cobra here in town.
There are 500whp DSMs on pump gas

We see here that any combination can be possible, so it really doesn't matter which car is faster stock. I do know that a 99 cobra is more expensive than a 92 DSM, and a 92 DSM with a few grand = 12 second car (proven) so don't dismiss us so easily. We have cars in the 8's and motors in the 7's.

who races for slips haha? You like your car for your reasons and i like mine for my reasons. But, i don't consider Mitsubishi or chrylser better quality then Ford.. Mitsubishi is like the bottom of the barrol import.. nothing wrong with that when your running 12's, but a mustang Cobra is diffently a higher quality car than a Eclipse or talon.. I'm honest about things like that.. just in the same manner a M3 is of better quality than my stang.. And just some info on my car.. i bought it slightly used, as i'm sure most ppl buy DSM's used considering the only ones worth buying are the Turbo'd older ones, for 15K.. I was actually considering a GST at the time i even went and drove one that a kid owned.. he wanted 13K for it.. so if i would had bought that eclipse and dumped 5K into the engine i would had ended up spending almost 20k.. instead i spent 15k and an additional 500 bucks and i'm running low 13's.. think about how much faster my car would be with 5k in the motor like you.. procharger for about 3500, and i'm off and running mid 11's.. so probably for the amount you paid for your setup i'd be running deep in the 11's for the same price with the car i have. plus i've had a fast car since the day i bought it.. you've had to work at the thing a lot to get it as fast as it is today.. i mean lets be honest these two cars are in different leagues here.. Your DSM runs what, 14.9 at best stock.. my Cobra ran 13.4 nearly stock on bald tires.. all you've been doing is playing catch up.. i'm not hear to bash DSM's cause i think they are cool.. i was just giving the guy my thoughts and i didn't realize he made up his mind already..

13k for a GST
15k for the mustang, you say you put 500 into it and your running low 13's

if you would have gotten the GST you would have saved yourself 2500, now if you put that into it, your running 12s! plus your insurance on the GST would have been cheaper

now how do you figure that Mitsu is the lowest they go on the import list?

Stock for stock Any Cobra will rape a DSM


i would sure hope so... i mean you have twice the motor, your car should be faster, although... who keeps their car stock anyways?

who races for slips haha? You like your car for your reasons and i like mine for my reasons. But, i don't consider Mitsubishi or chrylser better quality then Ford.. Mitsubishi is like the bottom of the barrol import.. nothing wrong with that when your running 12's, but a mustang Cobra is diffently a higher quality car than a Eclipse or talon.. I'm honest about things like that.. just in the same manner a M3 is of better quality than my stang.. And just some info on my car.. i bought it slightly used, as i'm sure most ppl buy DSM's used considering the only ones worth buying are the Turbo'd older ones, for 15K.. I was actually considering a GST at the time i even went and drove one that a kid owned.. he wanted 13K for it.. so if i would had bought that eclipse and dumped 5K into the engine i would had ended up spending almost 20k.. instead i spent 15k and an additional 500 bucks and i'm running low 13's.. think about how much faster my car would be with 5k in the motor like you.. procharger for about 3500, and i'm off and running mid 11's.. so probably for the amount you paid for your setup i'd be running deep in the 11's for the same price with the car i have. plus i've had a fast car since the day i bought it.. you've had to work at the thing a lot to get it as fast as it is today.. i mean lets be honest these two cars are in different leagues here.. Your DSM runs what, 14.9 at best stock.. my Cobra ran 13.4 nearly stock on bald tires.. all you've been doing is playing catch up.. i'm not hear to bash DSM's cause i think they are cool.. i was just giving the guy my thoughts and i didn't realize he made up his mind already..

I know what you're saying. But there are some faults at hand. It's almost 1AM and I won't go into all of them. But just touch on a couple maybe.

First you can't say Ford is better quality than a Mitsubishi. Mitusbishi has been in the business a long time and I believe are second place for producing the most engines in the world. Most people don't realize that and don't realize they build for other manufactures as well. Doesn't sound like a company that doesn't know how to build an engine... And I just drove a 02 Stang a couple days ago... was not impressed at the least. Interior was chessy, just like the bottom models of Eclipse/Talons, pastic everywhere, narrow seats, crappy shifter, I can go on, but my eyes I shutting on me. ;-)

The other thing, I dunno when you were car shopping. But right now you can find 95 TSI AWD for $5k for example MODDED. I've seen a nice 95 TSI AWD go for as low as $3500 (actually his asking price, probably hasn't sold it yet too). Point is, price is hard to figure too, cause I can get a nice turbo Eclipse/Talon for $10k with 400whp at the wheels and that would blow that Stang out of the water. So comparing that way is hard and I think useless in some ways.

Both cars are not bad, thats why both cars sell. If the stang were so much better of a value, you'd see a lot more of them. The Eclipse is better quality, AWD, better looks (my perferance), costs less, better gas milage, turbo psssst hehe, etc etc. Stang has a more mean look, RWD, deep clutch (however you call it) with long shifts (if your into that, holding power I guess). So you make your pick, but to say it's a better value (not to even mention which will hold value) or higher quality is false.

You poeple are funny. Why can't anyone appreciate a car for what it is. When built up and restored right... a beautiful machine. I have owned both of these cars in question and both have good qaulities about them. Mustangs are an american classic hands down. The cobras have hand built engines. Turboed DSM's can be built up and run just as fast. Both cars have excellent body styles. It's all just a matter of someones opinion. A car is a car and they all run on combustion engines that can be made to do some astounding things. No difference if it's a ford, chevy, or the now infamous 4g63 motor. I would however like to meet someone stupid enough to put time, money, sweat, tears, etc...and just put their title up for some stupid race.

Rustang Slowbra :boink:

I would take a GS-T/GS-X anyday of the week. I purchased a '97 Spyder GS-T for $12,500 with 51,xxx on the clock about 2 years ago (and believe me it's cherry). Anyway with $2500 in mods I'd be smoking you and look better doing it! Nothin' like having 1/2 the motor and takin' you to school. :evillol:

my general rule of thum is this, if your gonna run a v8 do it with class.
I myself have a mustang. but it ain't what you define as a mustang apparantly. ie junky 4.9. I wanted a real mustang ,ie 1971 mach 1 with a 429 cobra jet. (yeah its a heavy mo fo, but its got all the ponies it needs) and I got it in moderate condition (hail damage and in need of a tune) for $4000 it was already running 12s lol. but as for either getting a mustang cobra or a gst/ gsx , no contest the gst or gsx would be the way I'd go. cheaper price, cheaper insurance, and with a turbo swap just as lethal

:jump3: :iagree:

Another retarded apples to oranges thread.

All bets are off when mods come into play.

it's funny cause all the bias opinions on mustangs from you ppl are ignorant.. first off, rustang? Theres shit loads of 80's model GT's, Cobras out there.. most 15yr old kids want a 5.0... Sure i've seen some rotted out 4 banger fox bodies, but you see rotted out cars of and make and model.. just because one jerk never washes his car doesn't mean all mustang rust bad..

And obviously 2500 bucks won't smoke me in a GST when your home boy spent 5k and he's slightly faster...

As for insurance, the Cobra is almost the same.. like i said i almost bought a GST, mainly from pressure from my GF, but i had gotten quotes on both and its maybe 10 dollars difference every 6 months... Remember my CoBras a 99, i bet newer ones are pricy..

It's cool that you guys own and like your DSM's.. nothing wrong with that.. i like my car for my own reasons, but i bought the car because i feel it was a step up from a DSM.. i wanted something already fast with crazy potential.. theres nothing like the grunt of my 281 and hearing it wind out to 7 grand is great.. and i have no clue what that guy was talking about when he stated Cobras have long shifts.. i have a short shifter and 4:10 gears and do 0-60 in something like 4.6! try doing that in a slightly moded DSM

I really hope that wasn't in response to my post.

I had a 92GT lightly modded and loved it, but traded it in on my DSM...personal preference.

What I don't get is why brand loyal owners try to beat a dead horse.

THE GUY BOUGHT THE CAR MONTHS AGO. LET IT GO.

FWIW...slightly modded (16g and supporting), I was turning 3.8 0-60s. :shrug:

Just noticed my "beating a dead horse" could be taken as a bad pun.

Nice.

And obviously 2500 bucks won't smoke me in a GST when your home boy spent 5k and he's slightly faster...

LMAO... you dont know what half of the 5k was spent on! my car was a NT when i got it, to make a NT fast isnt exactly easy, completely new motor practically, and for my GST, i'm estimating low 12s, high 11s... yes i know that asking a lot but you can get a GST/GSX into the 12s for $2500 if done right!!! but the step from 12s to 11s isnt exactly easy... hopefully with slicks so i can get some traction i will be running 11s with my RST, it definatly has the power!

dude you can do 2 modifications (if even that) to a gsx or gst and it will rip that sotck 95 mustang a new asshole

the cobra is only 240 hp....and for sure a stock turbo dsm can smoke a 95 mustang GT 215hp ...the 2003 may be a little harder, but with a few mods, itll give it a run for its money...check this out

95 GT 215hp ->V8<- 6-8 Grand 3281lbs
95 Cobra 240hp ->V8<- 9-10 grand 3524lbs
03 GT 260hp ->V8<- 18-20 Grand 3429lbs

95 eclipseT 210hp ->I4<- 6-8grand 2870lbs

to me the best deal i see here (and anticipating mods) i would go with the 95 eclipse turbo against any of the ABOVE LISTED mustangs....plus they look better...in conclusion....ill smoke the 95 Gt without a sweat....a grand more to be equivalent to the 95 cobra and ill smoke that.....and a few hundred bucks ill ass rape the 2003 GT...done and done

I like mustangs, dont get me wrong...and im not being biased at all...my sister has a fucking camaro....so im not against domestics....i just truly believe that DSMs are better than mustangs hands down...the mustang is a cool car, but DSMs are awesome cars

It's all opinion, but if you'd like the DSM guys to get all the facts straight, please stop assuming things about my car as well.

Both cars are easily modified, have potential to make TONS of power, and are relatively cheap for cost to power ratio. Must be why there are thousands of each on the road.

Like LandoAWD said, when mods come in... all bets are off. No offense, but you don't know a whole lot about modifying a DSM. That's fine, because I don't know as much about your car. Take it easy on the assumptions.

I wasnt assuming anything about your car????or was that post to me?

I was mentioning that to the SVT guy, because it doesn't cost as much as he thinks to run 12's in a DSM. Kevin states "$1800 and he was in the 12's". Note that there are stock turbo 1g's in the 11's.

Oh, and give us some damn credit, you have over twice as much displacement. Mustangs SHOULD be faster than all DSMs with that big of an engine.

who cares about GT's.. especially 5.0's.. any 4.6 will destroy an eclipse until the eclipse guy gets some cash together for some mods and boosts more..As for my 99 Cobra, i'm almost two seconds faster than a stock GST stock for stock.. go ahead think your dsm is awesome and i'll take your money in my "Ford"... there really is no point in argueing each others cars cause we like them for our own reasons, but i'm not gonna sit here and let ppl mock my car when in reality its way better and respected.. like i said when i went down to the track i saw some dsm's and i didn't see one run faster than 14.4.. and that was a daytona.. the eclipse i saw ran like 14.7.. do you understand how much faster low 13's is? and its kinda stupid to mock the cobra just because its an 8 cyclinder.. it's not a very big 8 and it gets decent gas mileage for a SPORTS CAR.. i'd like to see mitsubishi pull 320hp from a NA motor in factory trim.. sure i agree that some big V8's are just silly.. I personally dislike some motors like the LS1.. 350cubic inches and makes the same as my 281ci

And to further speak on the comments on V8's.. there is no way a small engine like that can make as much power without forced induction or crazy motor work.. basically a hand grenade... so far the best i've seen for a stock factory vehicle are some ferrari's with 3.8 liter 8 cylinder cars.. think about it, take the turbo out of the mix and your 4 cylinder is making what 140hp.. without boost your cars are crap...

im not disrespecting mustangs at all....all i am saying is that for the question that was posted 3,000 years ago, i would go for a 95 dsm turbo more than 95 cobra...were not comparing different years....shit you could buy an old ass porche for just as much as a 95 DSMTurbo and it would kill me stock for stock....were comparing the same year with two different cars...like i said we have different opinions, but when facts come in to play, it is a different story... and who cares about Gts? you should thats who. shit they put more hp than aturbo Dsm, and it is twice the motor...still the eclipse wins by far with price and performance...to put simply----95 eclipse Turbo (good) 95 mustang cobra (bad)

oh and one more thing.....it also beats it for durability...why? think about the cams...95 cobra has single...95 eclipse T has dual...if you know a little about cars you can figure out which one is more durable?

if my car had another 4 cylinders... i could push a lot more than that 320hp of yours! LMAO, i mean come on, why do you try and argue? and right now i am well over 320hp... yes i have a turbo but still, say i had another 4 cylinders there would be twice as much power! so where is all your power?

Stock your are absolutely right the cobra is fast and is a nice ass car. But they sell for 32k. Insurance is ridiculous... and yes you can do some NICE mods on a stang and just be crazy fast... but dollar wise for performance I would take a AWD DSM anyday.

I love mustangs... ALMOST bought a 1999+ GT like 3 times... but they were selling for over 13k and there was just no way i was gonna pay that. I started looking at DSMs and saw the potential with low cost, good looks, and kickass performance. I bought a GSX and have since had NO regrets about it. I dont believe for the money you can get a better performing, better looking ( put that in to exlude fox body style :)) car.

If you got money your gonna go get a Cobra or something real nice and snazzy for 30k or more. If your like most of us and dont want a $550 a month car payment +250 in INS you look for something else. It comes down to you can buy a 2G GSX for 5k go over it to make sure its ok and dump a few grand in it and be beating that 30k cobra all for under 10k... and STILL look good and not like a freaking riced out honda.

Again I love mustangs but I just cant justify paying double or triple the money for the same performance.

well said

1gs sotck in the 11s? that must be one hell of a driver...or a hell of a light car

so you have a v8. congrats. you have a ford. wow. its a hand built engien. supper. you have a car that is american made sports car, where the pholosophy is "the larger the displacement the better". you may be pushing out 300+ horespower. but that engien is specialy built to produce horespower. so it has the supporting mods like a better induction system, and breath though system. you have to reamber your comparing a performace built v8 engien to a factory built forced induction 4cy. we might be 140 hp on the gs. times that by 2 for how many cylinders you have, thats 280. wow.. who cares. right.. i dont. what i care about is boosting, you care about compression, lowerend shit. their night and day diffrence. we cant push what you can out of your v8, and you cant push 25psi if you did have a turbo on that engien. so where does that lead us.. were comparing 2 insanly diffrent cars. bottem line. if you want cheap horespower nothings better then a dsm, if you want american made power, spend twice as much. get a mustang, trick it out, i'll still look at it at the strip. its a stang..

as for that 1/4 problem you say we dsm'ers have. take a peek at some of these times.

http://www.dsmtimes.org/awd.htm

You try to say you are understanding and you know it's all opinion, then you contradict yourself. I'm done being nice, so I won't reply to your comments nicely. All of your posts are wholly hypocritical.

any 4.6 will destroy an eclipse until the eclipse guy gets some cash together for some mods and boosts more..
A slower car is slower until it's modified to be faster? Oh really?
go ahead think your dsm is awesome and i'll take your money in my "Ford"...
I only think that my DSM is capable of 9 to 15 second slips like most other sports cars.
but i'm not gonna sit here and let ppl mock my car when in reality its way better and respected..
Nobody is 'mocking' your car. I'm just telling you to stop saying my car is slow. Way to be hypocritical.
and its kinda stupid to mock the cobra just because its an 8 cyclinder..
Did you read my post correctly? I stated that you have TWICE the displacement, yet most 4.6's run similar to DSM times. Is this wrong?
i'd like to see mitsubishi pull 320hp from a NA motor in factory trim
a non-turbo eclipse would make 336hp if it had 4.6 liters. No kidding a 2 liter won't make as much as a 4.6.
basically a hand grenade..
Nice opinion.
without boost your cars are crap
Need I say displacement? When was the last 2 liter ford faster than a lawnmower?

Bottom line: Please understand that boost is the same as displacement. With 2x atmospheric pressure (~15psi of boost) we are making the same power as 4 liters. When you are faster than the DSMs in my town, I'll shake your hand. Hell, I have respect for the fast Cobra in town (on boost, there goes your argument).

Your whole theory on Cost of Cobras is complete nonsence. 32k? yea maybe for an 03 or 04 lol and that comes stock with 390RWHP! can we say 12.5 stock. Heres some helpfull knowledge for ya.. i bought my 99 Cobra 15k, i pay 330 a month for it and thats including the 2yr warranty i bought along with it.. a mitsubishi dealership here tryed selling me a 98 GST spyder, that was totally trashed, at 356 a month for 5 yrs! they wanted only 13,800 for the car.. i have great credit also so.. only reason i was considering the car was because my girlfriend likes them and she wanted me to get one.. that eclipse was trashed.. tires were bald, interior was cracked and falling apart, it smelled, and there were dents all over it.. once i drove it i knew i didn't want it cause it was just gutless.. after test driving a few srt-4's i know what turbo pull is like.. the GST had non.. felt about as slow as the cavy i had at the time.. personally i would never buy an eclipse unless i was planning on upgrading the motor significantly!

Can you be more ignorant, just cause one GST was trashed does that give all eclipses a bad name. HELL NO! WTF are you thinking. You wanna talk about just one car here.. My friends 95 GT 5.0 has been misfiring for about the last two months. And no one can figure it out, dealership, repair shops NO ONE! And it is still doing it. So just cause his car sucks, doesn't mean I am going to go around and say that all Mustangs suck. Get your shit straightened out and Go drive a real GST.

i wouldnt have bought that 98 gst spyder either!

but you helped me out! 15k for a 99 cobra? nice buy best price i saw when i was looking was like 18k for a 99 with 40k miles. congrats!

but lets go back to the money thing... 15k for a cobra putting out 320hp that does not do 12.5 stock... it does 13.9 from the factory.

so what your stating is that laying down 15k for your cobra gives you a bad ass car that allows you to greatly modify (if you desire) to alot of power?!?
I AGREE !!!!!!!!!!

BUT for 15k.... really if i dumped half that into my DSM i would eat any cobra off the line, on a roll, on the highway and still look good.

13,800 for a fucked up eclipse??? yea ok! i dont know where you are shopping! and 356 a month??? yea, can someone say "bullshit???" i bought my 99 eclipse gst for 14k inlcuding 4 year warranty.... with 51000 miles on the dot. the lowest interest because of the cosigner....i pay 250 a month for the car....and it is only paid for 4 years.....it is very rare that a car dealer will sale a car for a 5 year plan.... if you font believe me about the car check here and check the condition for yourself http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/587724... and i hope the remark about a 32000 mustang wasnt to me....because i never said 32k i said 20k for a GT, and if you dont believe me check blue book value son....and shit for 32k id buy a fucking viper for 8 grand more or a supra

2 year warrenty hu? who was it through. alot of these warrenty places went backrupt. i'd check on that. you might be up shitcrick. ps. i hope they made a 4 pounder on your ass..

damn, there is a lot of grammatical mistakes in there! Sorry guys!

i like spelling stuff wrong. is that ok?

Prices that people bought their car for don't really make a basis for comparison. NADA on a 99 GSX and 99 cobra shows me that the cobra costs 2k more. 2k easily translates to outperform a Cobra, so what are we arguing?

EclipseRST has a total of $4,000 into his 2g GST which is looking at 350+whp.

"eating any cobra" is a strong phrase...but to the SVT dude, he did spend probably twice as much as most of us 2g dsm guys for his car. I bought my 96 tsi awd with 78k for $6700. That is less than half of your car. Sure, it only does low 15's stock. But with $3 grand in mods, it will do 12's (95gsxracer i.e. Kevin Jewer was running high 12's with $1800 or so into his 2g gsx). That is still only 2/3 the price of your car.

So you can pull on me after we hit 80? That's awesome, congratulations. How often do most people street race past 80? I never would, and I hope others don't either. At the track it would be irrelevant, because the start an awd eclipse would get on the stang would be ridiculous. What are cobra 60' times? Not as fast as gsx's, i'll tell you that.

I don't want to demean your car, because I think mustangs sound great and have nice looks. However, I like the 2g eclipse's looks better, and for my budget, the eclipse can go faster for the money.

All in all, I started this thread a few months ago. At the time, I did not have a car. I had just sold my camaro, and was shopping around. Now you can see what my decision was by the picture in my sig. :D Sorry rustangs just won't cut it for me.

I never said my Cobra runs 12.5.. i said 03 and o4 do.. and mine doesn't run 13.9 either.. stock is 13.5 and i know this because of this:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/148400MVC-007S1-med.JPG
took it to the track two weekends ago..

13.5 is stock huh.. and you are saying that because of your time slip
Um.. according to your mods your not stock..
"4:10 rear end
eibach springs
BBK underdrive pullies
Flowmaster cat back(american thunder)"

The stock quarter mile time is 13.9
The stock GST runs 14.9 stock. A GSX would be faster.
Hmm.. 1 second slower for more than double the price of the the eclipse. I think not. :smokin:

well hey, i'm glad you bought a car you like.. thats what really matters.. I totally understand the budget deal because thats why i didn't get a new 10th anniversary SC Cobra, 425 a month was just too much for me at the time so i bought my 99 Instead.. So i totally get the cost factor.. As for the 60' times i'm looking to get 1.8sec on the tires i just bought.. stock is probably 2.0-2.1.. thing about the AWD launches is your eventually gonna break something if you launch hard.. AWD launches are great but its only a matter of time before the fun runs out.. my buddy had a 91 eclipse and he blew the clutch and broke axles like 3 times within a yr of owning the car from doing hard launches.. just something to look out for

thats his own fault... he drove his car like a moron and he suffered for it! if you treat your car well and take care of it stuff wont break or fail as much!

Well how was he launching it?
If he knew what he was doing, I am sure he wouldn't break anything. I am just guessing here but I am sure the clutch was about to go, probally on the edge. And I dont think that breaking an axle is that easy

i am not talking about the engine. but for the purpose of general and overal durability. there is certain no doubt that those Jap engines are incredibly powerful and durable.

u know that the 4g63 engines were built in Normal, Illionos ( sp)

( if was already posted sorry did not read the hold thread so far )

if you wanted the best opion, both forums will be baised for there own cars, getta moderator to move the threads to an ll cars forums ( offtopic ) and there you will get opinions from everyone
is just my 2 cents take it or leave it

a stock DSM tsi, tsi awd, gs-t gsx will own a stang anyday IMO
and a modded DSM is that much scarier to tha one whose racing you :lol

You can argue all u want about how fast a 99 mustang Cobra is stock, but your wrong.. depending on the driver they run 13.4-13.7.. only reason i'm not much faster than stock is because i had shitty tires, which is why i just bought some and i should be getting them tomorrow according to UPS tracking. Don't worry yourself bud, i'm gonna hit up the track friday or saturday and i'll be sure to post my times... see when your car is fast and actually makes power you have traction problems.. And as for your camparison in price between cars.. eat me cause you get what you pay for.. plus what yr is your car? of coarse your gonna get a DSM cheaper used they don't hold there value as well as a Cobra..Now when i speak for Cobras i am not speaking for GT's or base model mustangs..

as far as i know its not easy... i have yet to break an axle in either of my cars and i have put my RST to the test!

whats an RST? did they make a model called the RST or did you just get a turbo kit for your RS?