what contest??

what kind of contest do you guys want to see??? 'drift'? or 'best SAS'??
i decided that i will not make the contest on my board i will make it here so there is no problems. also please make sugestions on time limit, ext....

thanks.

Robert.

I dunno. I don't really think we need an import-centric contest on the boards considering the import laden nature of AFMOTY.

Maybe a contest for historical race car replicas or customs or dragsters would be more interesting and offer up a more diverse range of models.

most of the builders on this forum only build imports. plus on the 'best SAS' to enter you just have to have something from SAS to enter, like slk has his charger with SAS brakes. that whould quallify. i like the idea of a custom car contest cuz then you can have everything from a 1920's car to a drift car, plus sas stuff whould be custom so it kinda falls in all.

historical race car replicas would be sweet, but i'd have to have time to find a good one

Drift contest sounds good... as long as its not just the over the top style of cars, would be nice to see some hardcore mountain style cars too...

How about an old school imports comp, say pre-1989 style cars..

now im lost, race cars sound good, but then customs sound good to. i wll wait for more oppinions and count up the tally.

if it were a SAS contest, id be in.
i have a large order of SAS stuff coming in, and have completed 3 kits w/ SAS kits on them...so i think it would be fun

i also have a large amount of SAS stuff coming . this will be the first time i have ever used anything from SAS.

JDMHotrod, when I say custom I define it the way Car Modeler defines their annual Custom Car Contest: You did it yourself. NO AFTERMARKET RESIN/WHITE METAL BODY PARTS! (Note, this doesn't apply to trim, headlights, or other such minor accessories).

Taking a box stock Tamiya S2000 and sticking an SAS body kit on it with some Fujimi or Aoshima wheels and tires, to me, isn't custom because someone else can do the exact same thing with the exact same parts.

http://www.xmission.com/~mjbenton/UMAG/Projects/Mark_G./umagdt3.jpg

This is custom. Kunta's widebody 308 or Tsuchiya's "American Pie" Corvette is a custom.

SAS aftermarket resin. Perry's Resin. Jimmy Flintstone resin. Not custom.

whould the front bumper i am makeing be considered custom?? as i did it all with styrene and putty?? i understand your point now, and i like it. but i dont know if it will appel to others. what does everyone else think??

I really like the idea of the "custom" contest, but i think that the SAS contest would apeal to a LOT more people, and there woudl be a decent turnout.

so the SAS contest gets my vote :evillol:

Yes, your self made front bumper is a custom piece.

I've nothing against the SAS stuff, I just don't think it is a good basis for a contest. (unless FOTW whats to run and judge it.)
Customs, and call it a show, sort-of a NNL now winners format.
:p

looks like i am leaning twords the custom car contest, in fact it is setteled it will be a custom car contest. now what about time limits?? since its a custom car contest the cars may take longer than most. also what about rules?? i dont want people to just slap a custom paint job on a model and call it a custom. i know one rule for sure is that it can not be an already completed model, and that you have to post a progress thread. anything else?? can the poll be locked since my mind is made up?? thanks.


Robert.


p.s. i do not have anything that i can offer as a prize, anyone wanna chip in :grinno: :grinno: :grinno: :icon16:

what if i use the SAS transkit but do other custom thing like lots of interior mods and an engine transplant????whould it still be a custom?? i dont want to make this too hard for some of the modelers on here might not be too good with body mods.


Robert.

I think it was Drew Hierwater who said it, but there's an old quote in modeling "If it's too difficult, you shouldn't get a trophy." Don't let the rules be so open that you aren't demanding quality or keeping within a theme. If you let in SAS parts, then you have to let in people who just used optional parts in their kits. Net result: there's the chance a box stock Revell Integra could take the win.

Here's a rule list for you.

#1: All cars entered must exhibit some form of customized bodywork. Customized bodywork will be defined as any self-made (no kit options or aftermarket parts allowed without extensive modification) modification made with the intention of deviating from a stock or race car replica.

#2: Interiors, Chassis, and Engines may also display modification, but may not be the sole realm of modification. Customization = Bodywork.

#3: All models entered in final judging must be complete. Primer only if primer is final color.

Now, what I feel is necessary is that instead of putting it to a public vote you decide on some judges who we know to be fair and just. The judging panel would judge based on a 50 point system. Each judge would have a total of 50 points they could give to any one model, and the total of all judges decision is the car's final score.

Now, let's look at what the cars should be judged on.

First off, the difficulty of the modifications made should be a major point. The guy who kit bashed a wing for his 240Z didn't have as much of a challenge as the guy who spliced a 350Z roof onto his 240Z. Thus, more points to the guy who spliced roofs.

Secondly, there's the quality of the build. Were the modifications done well or are there still sanding scratches? Is everything square and even? Was the rest of the model given the same attention, time, and craftsmanship? How's the paint finish? And so on.

Lastly, there's the aesthetic element. How was the car presented? Were the modifications integrated cleanly to compliment the car or do they stick out like a sore thumb? Was it purely done for shock value? Or does it actually improve the look of the car? Do the colors chosen work with the look of the car? How creative is it? Seen it before widebody kits and been there/done that chops won't get many points here.

It seems harsh, but that's the way you run a contest like this for a class like this. The best should win; simple as that.

As for the judges, the best people to approach to see if they're willing are the modelers who build well and can be trusted to be both critical and impartial. These guys would sit out the competition and instead follow the build threads to see how the modifications are made and see what's being done. Final judging would take place the weekend after the final day of the build period, and then a thread would be posted in which the judges make known their scores for each model. The totals are taken, added up, and the winner is declared.

That's how I'd run it.

As for who I'd suggest to judge, well, I'll volunteer. And I think Fly on the Wall, P-man, and Jay would be good choices if they're willing. What do you say, guys?

As much as the SAS contest would be good for business, I don't think its such a good idea for a general comp. You want to get as many people interested and enterered as possible right? What good is a comp without any real competition. Personnal prefference would mean i'll be well up for any sort of import action, the drift idea is a particularly good one. However, I think you could turn that around and open it up to everyone by calling it....wait for it!....Motorsport Competition!!! Surely everyone could get into that?

An alternative idea is to have some sort of tuned/customized (not custom) car comp. Perhaps this could be along the lines of a fantasy/real world garage demo or show car. Anything could go here, from a Yashio Factory S15 to a West Coast Gangsta Rap SUV right through to a WRC car in street guise with a fantasy garage stamp on it. As long as there is some sort of concept behind each project then its allowed in.

What do you think.

BTW, i'd be happy to judge but i may also want to enter;)

Just what we need - another comp :rolleyes:

I'm quite anti-competitions. They can be a bit of fun to enter and it is always nice to do well. But building for comps, especially one with very tight criteria goes against the "build for yourself" creed. Add to that the inequity in judging or voting and you have a potential formula for discouragement.

Having a specific interest group that sets up a comp as a part of a wider involvement (BMOM Rallycar contest or AF MOTY comp) is great, but having a contest for it's own sake - I dunno :dunno:

BTW the term “custom” can mean a lot of different things to a whole lot of different people. Same as my pet hate, the usually US-centric “import” tag. Do us a favour - leave it out :)

rallyraider,not to be mean but your a very discourageing person, you dont seem to like anything. i see alot of other people in this thread that agree with a contest ,so thats that. now unsted of loseing my cool and getting banned im going to ingnore you. chris, i like your idea too, i like how the rules on what can be done are not so tight. i mean i like the idea of a custom car contest but like rallyraider said the term custom car can mean differnt things for differnt people, one person can think a car with a moulded bodykit and flip paint job is custom and another guy can think that a new set of rims is custom. i dont think it whould be fare to define custom as one thing.



robert.

I like layla's keeper's idea, and I would enter for sure.

i wish there was enough people interested to do a Kustom contest, that'd be sweet. By that I mean radically modified 50's-60's cars

Even if I wouldn't participate, I vote for Drift! And a public vote! With points to give from 1st to 10th. And that's all. The more spectacular one would win, and that would be fair, because that's what Drift is about, isn't it?

And if a box-stock wins, why not? It's much more difficult to make a great-looking box-stock than to make an ugly heavy-modified... (custom makers, you know I love you!)

Just needs, to be fair, that everybody could give the same type of pics: let's say front, side, rear and 3/4 views, white underground for everybody, pic size 640/480. (just an example...)

But I seem to be a little out of the subject...

i like the idea of a public vote, when i make a thread should i put all the members that are in the contest in a poll or have everyone pm me with there votes??

pm may be the best choice. More work, but the problem of a poll is that it shows the results...
( 60% for SAS here... )

ok now all i need is a time limit, 2 months 3 months and so on??

I would say 2, in order to keep motivation, but with 3, I wonder if I could enter with a special 360 spider...
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Let's say 2 months: 3 is 1/4 of a year: it's too much! lol!

I'm not sure to be the best advice...

if a mod wants to shut this thread down they can as i have started a new one with rules and time limit. thanks everyone for your input.

Robert l.

Robert I mean to be realistic. Good luck with your competition, however we've seen enough proposed comps bite the dust around here lately to know to proceed with caution. A lot of people can sound enthusiastic about a comp early on, only for life to intervene and have them miss the deadline.

its cool if it doesent yurn out then fine i have nothing to lose

SAS contest

Robert I mean to be realistic. Good luck with your competition, however we've seen enough proposed comps bite the dust around here lately to know to proceed with caution. A lot of people can sound enthusiastic about a comp early on, only for life to intervene and have them miss the deadline.
Wise words spoken by a wise man!! :iceslolan I wish you the best with the contest and will do what I can to help if you need it. :smile: