97 Tsi FWD -vs- 2000 Type-R

My buddy has a 2000 integra type-r and I bought a 97 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD a couple weeks ago.

We're planning on racing, but I thought I'd get some predictions before it happens. Both cars are stock, what do you guys think the outcome will be?

Who cares about guessing. Race him then tell us what happend.

i think it'll be damn close :

2000 acura integra type r

Engine
Type: Inline-4
Displacement: 1797 cc
Horsepower: 195 bhp @ 8000 rpm
Torque: 130 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm
Redline: 8400 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 6.2 sec
0-100 mph: -.- sec
Quarter Mile: 14.8 sec @ --- mph
Skidpad: .92g
Top Speed: 135 mph

1997 eagle talon tsi
Model Year: 1995-1998
Price: $20,271
Weight: 3,142 lbs (1425 kg)
Engine: Turbocharged In-Line 4 With Air-to-Air Intercooler
Displacement: 2.0L 16-Valve DOHC SMPI
Horsepower: 210/205 bhp (MT/AT) @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 213/220 lb-ft (MT/AT) @ 3000 rpm
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual/Optional 4 Automatic
0-60mph:
6.4 Seconds
Length: 4442 mm/174.9 in
Width: 1745 mm/68.7 in
Height: 1321 mm/52.0 in

overall it'll come down to the driver IMO

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Anybody who knows DSM's knows that the TSi is AWD. So what gives?

Not all TSi's were AWD.

Take for example the FWD TSi sitting in my friends yard. It is not AWD. It is FWD.

Not all TSi's were AWD.

Take for example the FWD TSi sitting in my friends yard. It is not AWD. It is FWD.

He's right RedNeck, the Eclipse was the only DSM with a special designation for the AWD version.

yea they do post alot, like skyline r32 has been here like a lil more then a month and has more then me.

also i wanna see ur picks of ur 89 r32. like u say u have

yea they do post alot, like skyline r32 has been here like a lil more then a month and has more then me.

also i wanna see ur picks of ur 89 r32. like u say u have

At least he researched his BS. As of now, no Skyline newer than 15 years old is legal in Canada: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t71299-1.html

Why would I say BS? If you owned something as rare as a Skyline, especially in Canada, why would you use a pic of SOMEONE ELSE'S Skyline in your sig?

for some reason i don't believe a type r does the 1/4 in 14.8, why i dont know :dunno: i would go with the tsi.
btw can anyone give me some valid info on a type-r running 14.8

for some reason i don't believe a type r does the 1/4 in 14.8, why i dont know :dunno: i would go with the tsi.
btw can anyone give me some valid info on a type-r running 14.8

The fastest ITR drivers are hitting 14.2's 14.3's stock: http://www.dragtimes.com/detail.php?ID=195

As for publications:
http://www.itr1220.com/scc_apr_2001/scc_apr_2001_p127.jpg

Interesting. I've never seen a TSi in anything other than AWD.

The fastest ITR drivers are hitting 14.2's 14.3's stock
Carnutttt, have you seen that at the track? Honestly I don't see any at the track, cause the car is rare. I have heard from alot of people that they typically run 15 sec. 1/4 miles. C&D got a 15.3 sec. 1/4 mile in one. Those mag times are probably done by a pro that does clutchless upshifts. How many people see those times in the real world with those cars?

NOPE


NOT ALL TSI's ARE AWD

if it says TSi:AWD then its awd, if not its just fwd or samilar to the Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T.

Carnutttt, have you seen that at the track? Honestly I don't see any at the track, cause the car is rare. I have heard from alot of people that they typically run 15 sec. 1/4 miles. C&D got a 15.3 sec. 1/4 mile in one. Those mag times are probably done by a pro that does clutchless upshifts. How many people see those times in the real world with those cars?

No, I've never seen it at the track personally. Just heard it from reports from other people which might or might not be BS, and from publications I have read that reported it.

Why do you think I put down "the fastest ITR drivers"?

You're basing you're assumptions from what you've "heard" too, so I don't feel so bad. At least I have links to where I'm coming from.

Here's Motor Trend's test numbers on the car:
http://www.itr1220.com/mt_may_2000/mt_itr_vs_gts_p4.gif

And here's SCC again, testing it against a Mustang GT:
http://www.itr1220.com/scc_nov_2000/SCC_NOV_2000_p86.jpg

And another from SCC:
http://www.itr1220.com/scc_oct_2000/SCC_OCT_2000_p140.jpg



I would think there are enough varying tests where it ran in the 14-second range to call it a 14-second car, you think?

These are all test drivers that probably don't own the car. Imagine a good driver that owns one and knows the car enough to eke a couple more tenths from it...

I have both of those cars in my stable now. I've also owned 1g and 2g FWD and AWD DSM's. Stock R vs. Stock Tsi FWD will be a pretty close race. The R makes a lil less HP than the Talon, but it's alot lighter too. This race will come down to driver skill. My ITR is not considered a "fast" car to me, but I have beaten a couple STOCK 4.6L Mustang GT's which are are running near the same 1/4 times as an ITR.

BTW.
Eagle Talons came in 4 trim levels that I know of:
DL (1g)........ 1.8L, no OEM body kit like Tsi/ES, no power options (windows, locks)
(ES 1g)(ESi 2g) 2.0L N/A FWD w/power options
Tsi.............. 2.0L turbo FWD
Tsi AWD....... 2.0L turbo All Wheel Drive
no convertable available

You're basing you're assumptions from what you've "heard" too, so I don't feel so bad. At least I have links to where I'm coming from.
I know that mags are illustrative of what a car can "potentially do", but being at the strip and seeing alot of cars run gives you a better indication of what times you can expect to see. i'm not trying to be egative towards you, just telling you that alot of times I see cars running alot slower times then what they are quoted as having in a magazine (Of course I know altitude has a bearing on those times too).

vr4, you cant imagine a type r running a 14.8? in your other posts you have such an easy time believing an SL runs low 15's high 14's, whats that all about

and there are many documented times well into the 14's for a type r while i've yet to see anything lower than a 15.5 documented for an SL

I know that mags are illustrative of what a car can "potentially do", but being at the strip and seeing alot of cars run gives you a better indication of what times you can expect to see. i'm not trying to be egative towards you, just telling you that alot of times I see cars running alot slower times then what they are quoted as having in a magazine (Of course I know altitude has a bearing on those times too).

"Potentially"??

Have you been paying attention to these, and other car forums?

Most people hate magazine times, because they usually run the cars they test SLOWER than an owner has taken it. That's because they hardly ever test their cars on an actual, prepped 1/4 track, and they usually measure with laser, and/or GPS instrumentaion, which gives REAL performance numbers. They are also ran using stock equipment, and street tires.

They don't "fiddle" with their ET's by staging shallow/deep. The tests are also usually driven by a guy that, although professional, usually doesn't own the car he is testing therefore, wouldn't know it like an owner with daily seat-time in the car should.

You do know that your old LS1 Z was "only" tested at 13.8 by most magazines when it first came out, right? Yet, people are claiming as low as high-12's bone-stock, which I have no reason to doubt...even though I have never seen such a run personally (usually modded).

Lastly, you're also frequenting a traction-challenged, and altitude-enhanced track. Of course you'll be seeing cars slower than they should be.

and there are many documented times well into the 14's for a type r while i've yet to see anything lower than a 15.5 documented for an SL

lol, thats because i don't know much at all about type-r which is why i asked for some info and carrnut(as always) provided me with that info.
lets add 2 and 2 together, carrnut has a sentra, i also seen a sentra and a sl racing at the street races and the sentra had exhaust the sentra won 5 times to the sl's 3, carrnut will also tell you that his car runs low 15's, wich is what every sl driver will tell you they run low 15's. as for 14's i don't beleive sl's normally run high 14's but there are factory freaks. i'm sorry if i disrespected your integra community, all i know is a 91 ls integra is slow as hell. i have nothing against integra's, krnxracer and i raced before and he had a very quick teg before he sold it :mad:
once again, i have nothing against tegs

youngvr4...when did you race krnxracer?

geez......ummmm.....about 5 months ago

Nice...I was actually really good friends with him, kinda weird to hear. He is actually the one with the '00 type-r I am planning on lining up against with my '97 tsi

oh, his new teg is a typr-r? i didn't know that, thats tight.

are all you guys out in cali or something?

No, I'm in Everett, Wa

close race but i'd put my money on the Type-R.. just seems more track worthy then a FWD DSM... does that Tsi have an LSD up front???...i dont know too much about them

No LSD up front, but that'd sure help, getting traction is real difficult from a launch. After driving his car, I know he'll pull me in 1st because traction will be an issue for my tsi, and I know 2nd gear should be even, but I should start to pull on him towards the top of my 2nd gear and from there on, I guess it depends on whether or not he'll be able to hold me off.

race already, jesus christ

race already, jesus christ

The guy he's supposed to be racing is KrNxRaCeR...he's at boot camp currently.

thanks carrrnuttt....

sorry i didnt know, i learned it was krnxracer after i had posted that, my bad!

It's all good, you didn't know, I'd say the same thing, but I'll be sure to hurry up and race him when he gets back...

no LSD in front i definitely think the type-R will win then... once the launch is over whoever is in front is going to win hands down (assuming somewhat equal drivers)

If your car is stock the race is gonna be really close. I just remembered that I test drove a Type R. They don't even remotely feel like a GS-R to me, they actually feel more torquey (Maybe it's the weight). If you have a catback exhaust you will faire very well.