Mach 1 under rated?

I keep hearing people talk about how the new Mach 1 is under rated.. I hear people saying they know someone that ran a high 12 sec 1/4 with it stock... I think that is a load of crap.. In fact i bet it's over rated if anything... Check out this video of an automatic Mach 1 on the dyno only producing 227whp :disappoin .. then they throw on some after market parts and they make it up to a pathetic 280rwhp... My 99 SVT Cobra rated at 320 crank horsepower dyno's 279 rwhp stock.. This mach 1 is a dog and it's real weak for the crank power rating of 305... The site does not allow download so just got to this site http://www.slugbitchracing.com/clips-highoctane.htm, and just left click to view... Is this just a factory dud, or is this what we should expect from the mach1?

Evan Smith--MM/FF Mar03 (NJ) Gray-- 5spd--- 13.135 @ 105.51 *

I wouldn't call times like this weak. It's a documented 1/4 mi. run. The * means stock - no bolt-ons or power adders.

Don't take this the wrong way....Just askin' .... but what Mustang do you like other than your own? So far, you seem to be down on the Mach1, the new 2005 Mustang GT, the 2003 Cobra somewhat (although you admit the guy that lost to the LS1 may have been a boob of a driver)........just curious.

What is this Mach 1?

I keep hearing people talk about how the new Mach 1 is under rated.. I hear people saying they know someone that ran a high 12 sec 1/4 with it stock... I think that is a load of crap.. In fact i bet it's over rated if anything... Check out this video of an automatic Mach 1 on the dyno only producing 227whp :disappoin .. then they throw on some after market parts and they make it up to a pathetic 280rwhp... My 99 SVT Cobra rated at 320 crank horsepower dyno's 279 rwhp stock.. This mach 1 is a dog and it's real weak for the crank power rating of 305... The site does not allow download so just got to this site http://www.slugbitchracing.com/clips-highoctane.htm, and just left click to view... Is this just a factory dud, or is this what we should expect from the mach1?
Wow, you seem to not know what your talking about at all. I mean since when is a 13.1 on an all factory stock car bad? And even if they dynoed at 227 hp at the wheels, then 280 hp at the wheels after a few bolt on, how is that pathetic? That's a 53 hp increase at the wheels, that's great!

Look at the 04 Mach 1, it is dynoing at 283rwhp and 311 lb-ft stock. Granted the 04 has been rated slightly higher then the 03, 310hp with 335 ld-ft manual and 308hp with 323 lb-ft auto.

Ok, look at this, In the August 03 issue of 5.0 Mustang and Superfords, they ran a 03 Mach 1 to 13.19 at 106.7 MPH. This way in stock from with street tires.

In the March 03 Issue of MM&FF, they ran a 03 Mach 1 to 13.13 at 105.5 mph with a 2.07 60 foot time. This too was also bone stock. Anyone drag racer knows that if slicks were added to achieve a 1.8 or 1.9 60 foot, the Mach will be in the 12's no problem.

In the March 04 issue of MM&FF, they just did a shoot out between the GT, Mach 1, and Cobra. They were able to pull of a 13.156 at 105.35 mph with a 2.03 60 foot time. Again add slicks, and you would be seeing 12's with a sub 2 sec 60 foot.

Ok, now look at your 99, it may have 320 BHP but it only has 317 lb-ft or torque. Personally I would like to be able to put down more torque then hp, like the Mach 1. In a 1/4 mile race, torque is what gets you to the finish quicker.

Ok, I think you need to check out www.mach-1.org (http://www.mach-1.org/) or www.mach1registry.com (http://www.mach1registry.com/) to educate yourself a little more for next time! Trust me I've done my homework on this car and that's why I REALLY want one! It's one bad mofo!

Chassis dyno results will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer this is a very well known fact. Unless you ran your Cobra on the exact same chassis dyno as this Mach1 it's not really a comparison. Although that seems distrubingly low. I have personally seen 2 MACH1's that run 13.5 and 13.3 completely stock at my local track. So I'm not too worried about it.

Chassis dyno results will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer this is a very well known fact. Unless you ran your Cobra on the exact same chassis dyno as this Mach1 it's not really a comparison. Although that seems distrubingly low. I have personally seen 2 MACH1's that run 13.5 and 13.3 completely stock at my local track. So I'm not too worried about it.
Oh yeah forgot to point out that he's talking about an auto Mach 1, which is said to have a 23% drivetrain loss. So 305hp-23%=234.85hp

The difference between the Cobra (99,01) and the Mach 1 (03-04) is in the cams. The Mach 1 cams are better suited for low end grunt. Put some Mach 1 cams into a 99+ Cobra and watch your 60' times improve.

It's not just the cams that are different. The block may be aluminum, but its a different design. As well as the heads, they too are different from the Cobra. Many people often consider the Mach 1 motor the same as the 99 Cobra motor, but thats just not true.

I've heard the whole "Its an 03 head on an 01 block" etc. I don't buy it.

Just give me my frikken cookie already, will ya?

Also the Mach1's nice launching Live axle with stock 3.55's compared to the 99,01 Cobra's finicky IRS.

well ive heard of ppl get from 5.3 0-60 to 4.7, so i think they might vary in hp.

i dunno, i guess i'll have to see it in person to believe 13.1, 12's with slicks... Not for nothing, but i've done some homework on the car too thats why i posted to see what you guys thought. But if i had to place money on my Cobra beating a mach 1 i would... Oh, and i do like mach 1's i think there are sweet i just don't like it when ppl make cars out to be faster than they are just because they like it. And the only thing i don't like about the 05 is the styling, i like everything else about it. So i'm not some jerk all hung up on my car thinking its the best mustang.. I would take an 03 in a heart beat.. in fact thats what i wanted but had to settle for my 99.. It was just too much money for me, but iwas just thinking... what does an 03 Cobra run? isn't it like high12's low 13's depending on driver? So how can a 305 hp mach 1 come close to a 390 hp car? and it isn't the torque cause the Cobra has more.. just wondering..

i went to the mach 1 site and on the very front theres a picture of a new mach1 owner:
"Pete's '04 DSG Mach has weld-in Flowmaster Super 40's, K&N filter kit, Mustang Magic EFI Solutions tune, and Mac Prochamber. Pete recently ran a new best time of 13.319 @ 106.5. His Mach has spun the dyno to the tune of 298Hp,324TQ (SAE)"

so with some nice mods they are not even running 13.1.. I think i would need to see a scanned time slip to actually believe it, but then again ppl can just lie about what they have done.. so i guess i'll just believe it when i see it in person..

MM&FF on completely stock 04 MACH1 stick.

04 Mach1, 13.156 at 105.35 mph


Just cause you can pay for the car doesn't mean you can drive it.

wouldnt it just make more sense if ford would give the real power rating, fuck this underrating for insurance and overrating to be better...give the real power.

wouldnt it just make more sense if ford would give the real power rating, fuck this underrating for insurance and overrating to be better...give the real power.


thats what i think, but they dont want to get caught with overrating i guess when they overrated thier what, 99 cobra? rated it at 320 but it was only 305, im not sure what model year that was, and ya know mazda's proplem with overrrating!!!!!

i think the funny thing is i pay $900 every six months for insurance on my 4 banger 2.3L. its b/c its a mustang, not bc its fast.because its clear my car is not fast.

So how can a 305 hp mach 1 come close to a 390 hp car?

Ummm... actually the new Cobra has anywhere from 425-450 horsepower, depending on the builder. Like they were saying, they just tried to rate under 400 for insurance.

depending on the builder? I'm pretty sure the builder is Ford's Special vehicle team.. people don't just build random mustangs.. I personally think the crap about underrating for insurance purposes is crap.. Sure they do that with some cars, but i don't think that applies here.. And i still think it is complete bull crap that a stock mach runs 13.1 STOCK... most ppl don't consider exhaust or reprogramming mods on those stupid mustang sites.. stock means absolutely nada done.. I'm not saying it cause i hate the car cause in fact i love mustangs.. thats why i own one.. But i hate ametures that say there cars are faster than they are.. Besides why would they under rate the mach 1 to 305 horsepower? stock mach 1's put down anywhere from 227 whp in auto to 270 in manual stock on the dyno.. you can't argue with real facts.. it's a great car but don't make it something it's not...

MM&FF is the most honest to god magazine out there. Even hot rod doesnt have much drivers like MM&FF. Heck, hot rod posted 4.9 0-60 and 13.3 1/4 mile for 03 cobra, and you know its a bad driver. Just for the comparison between cobra and wrx sti, they had to impress riceys because Hot Rod is "moving towards the compact drag racing trend". In my opinion, why don't you just drive it? you will buy it!






(im not a salesman...)

depending on the builder? I'm pretty sure the builder is Ford's Special vehicle team.. people don't just build random mustangs.. I personally think the crap about underrating for insurance purposes is crap.. Sure they do that with some cars, but i don't think that applies here.. And i still think it is complete bull crap that a stock mach runs 13.1 STOCK... most ppl don't consider exhaust or reprogramming mods on those stupid mustang sites.. stock means absolutely nada done.. I'm not saying it cause i hate the car cause in fact i love mustangs.. thats why i own one.. But i hate ametures that say there cars are faster than they are.. Besides why would they under rate the mach 1 to 305 horsepower? stock mach 1's put down anywhere from 227 whp in auto to 270 in manual stock on the dyno.. you can't argue with real facts.. it's a great car but don't make it something it's not...

MM&FF made sure to go to great length in the article about how these cars had not been prepped in anyway other than the fact that the had low mileage sub 500 miles and the put NRMA drivers behind the wheels. I'm not saying if it is underated or overated I'm just saying that is what they got. I would like the MACH1 no less if it only ran 13.5's but it runs what it runs.

depending on the builder? I'm pretty sure the builder is Ford's Special vehicle team.. people don't just build random mustangs..
Because you own a Mustang, and that it IS a Cobra, I will give you the benefit of the doubt in saying that you were just being ignorant with that statement. You SHOULD know that the SVT (Special Vehicle Team) Crew has special engine builders. Only 2 men have touched your engine, and all Cobra engines. So depending on the builder, the horsepower varies from 425-450. As I said, it is rated at 390 because once it hits 400, insurance would skyrocket. Look at your throttle body(or intake manifold), and check the 2 signatures of your builders.

Because you own a Mustang, and that it IS a Cobra, I will give you the benefit of the doubt in saying that you were just being ignorant with that statement. You SHOULD know that the SVT (Special Vehicle Team) Crew has special engine builders. Only 2 men have touched your engine, and all Cobra engines. So depending on the builder, the horsepower varies from 425-450. As I said, it is rated at 390 because once it hits 400, insurance would skyrocket. Look at your throttle body(or intake manifold), and check the 2 signatures of your builders.
He's just jelious that a new Mach 1 will spank his 01 Cobra. LOL, sorry man had to say it.

na, i'm not jealous lol.. in fact i give props to the mach 1 if it does infact run 13.1.. thats very impressive from a car rated at 305hp, but from my experience it just doesn't add up.. There must be some interfearing factor.. Maybe the track is on a slight down hill angle... I've seen a lot of video's where guys brag about there times and you can totally see that the track is downhill... All i know is.. When i go to the track this spring i am willing to bet 200 bucks that if there is a mach 1 there it won't be running low 13's... And drag racing street cars isn't hard.. Theres a limit to how fast you can shift, and for the launch i'm sure a crappy driver can at least get one half decent launch the whole time there.. Sure the magazine test drivers are good and very consistant, but i'm sure 1 out of 10 times down the track will be good for even a novice.

I'm gonna look around for video's with mach 1's......