Supra TT vs LS1 Camaro

stock for stock, who wins...Supra TT or LS1 Camaro???
Please keep in mind I'm referring to the 98+ v8 camaro with the c5 corvette powerplant

Win in what?

a comparison couldn't get any closer, i just don't know.

i like camaros and all, but i rather have a japanese or european car. plus, i see so many camaros, they just dont turn my head like the supra does. and the performance numbers are so close, whichever is better is going to be mostly subjective. i would go with the supra.

handling: supra
braking: supra
looks: subjective
aceleration: too close to call
top speed: supra
price: LS1
price to mod: supra at first until you need to upgrade turbo.
interior build quality: supra
interior and misc stuff that can go bad and glitchy: LS1
engine strenght: supra.

Well in handling aspect ill favor the Supra as well in the braking category. Acceleration will be close through 60, but after that I'd bet the LS1 will start pulling. Top speed I'm going to favor the Camaro (considering it has the Z rated tires).

How do you guys know the Supra has better handling and breaking?

i was gonna ask the same thing, i thought the camaro handled very well. i guess some people don't look at it like that since its a american muscle and known for straight line.

Ive got both cars.. a 90' supra turbo and a Camaro Z28.. Big fan of both cars, but my 90' Supra with stock suspension still handles better then any camaro (new or old) ive ever driven'..

Top speed is similar between the two cars, the only difference is the Supra will hold it a lot longer since the engines in them are built a lot stronger

so your 90 supra can out handle a 2002 camaro ss?

actually i would say the camaro would hit 60 faster, but from what ive seen with supras, as soon as it hits 3rd gear, its gonna take off like a rocket, especialy if its a twin turbo. and as much as i hate to say it, pass the camaro in respectable time. handling is close call to me, its all about how you drive the car. as far as sticking it and not squeeling tires, supra, but if your not afraid to drift the ass end of the camaro around turns, and make a little noise, ive kept up with quite a few cars i shouldnt have. had to buy new tires though ;)

the performance is soo close for both cars, it would come down to which looked better, and personally i like the supra, you maybe see a couple in your life and a girl at my school has a firebird with a ls1 in it

BTW, i'm pretty sure that supra top speed is 155, while LS1 is something like 160, 165, but idd see that its skidpad is .94 while Camaro is .89

wasnt the supra limited to 155?

Slalom & Grip: Supra
1/4: Very close. There is great variation in the LS1 breed though, one LS1 could beat a Supra, while one could lose.
Reliability: Supra
Modding: Supra
Base price: Camaro (easily).
Space: Camaro

Two different cars with vastly different goals.

why choose supra for modding? i mean i would just cause i like turbo a little more than V8, but i see maro's at the strip just monsterous, 1/4 mile monsters when modded.

as well all know supras are not 1/4 monsters but are highway runners. just for that reason alone that is why i say the supra has better highend then the f body. plus they put down very simliar power to the ground. both put down 290ish whp stock and both weight about the same. but the power delievery of them is very different. where teh supra has more highend it will pull up top while the F body is more of a low to mid end car so it will get the jump. on the highway i'm pretty sure the supra will take the lead. plus sure you can turbo a v8 even twin turbo the v8 but its still not goin to be as fast on the highway as a heavily modded supra. those cars for some reason are beast on the highend. while the twin turbo v8 will kill the supra in the 1/4. but who really races in just 1/4 mile anyways. most encounters are on the highway and thats the supra's home turf.

In most categories I'd say the Supra is going to inch out the LS1. If its the SS trimline then the Supra is going to view the rear end for the most part in any straight line race.

a SS will win off the line with all that torque! but after those turbos spool up,its gone! I've seen a video of them racing in the freeway, the camaro pulled, but after the turbos spooled up, damn that supra pulled even harder and left the SS!

I was under the impression that there is no replacement for displacement. Even my friend the import freak admits american usually has higher top speeds due to their larger displacement. I mean, it also depends on where the redline is on both cars, since the are so similar engine speed would porbably decide it, but does anyone have actual numbers on top speed for both.

TT Supra's top out 155 from last I heard, not sure if thats electronically limited or not. SS maro's at 160. Both are great cars in my eyes and would be proud to own either.

Both CARS ARE SO UGLY. SO UGLY, it isnt worth driving them around. Unless they have been done some cosmetic upgrades, but god the supra is disgusting stock for a 40-50K car.

I sense a big dose of haterrade here... It's worth driving them so people that own them can spank Civics like red haired stepchildren...

well said, and with a big-ass paddle

Both CARS ARE SO UGLY. SO UGLY, it isnt worth driving them around. Unless they have been done some cosmetic upgrades, but god the supra is disgusting stock for a 40-50K car.
:eek7: :uhoh: how can you think they are ugly when you have no taste at all?? you drive a CIVIC!*throws up*. God! even if the supra is ugly, I wouldnt want a civic...everyone has them! how much you wanna bet your mom also has a civic??!!

The supra is cheaper to mod than a Camaro?? Last time I looked, ANYTHING with 'chevrolet' on it was dirt cheap to modify... they may be updated but LS1s are still pushrod motors you know...

hmmm a supra with bolt ons and raised boost will make close to 450whp. how much can a LS1 make with bolt ons?

Yo, I'd think that raising the boost will affect the longevity of the enigne. I know, I know, Supra's are bulletproof, but as far as I know that is a tale... never had concrete evidence sitting in front of me. An LS1 w/ all the bolt-ons will get pretty high, i'd say 400hp. A v8 will respond just as well as a v6 TT to mods, two motors of relatively equal power and breathing. The Supra can get up to 450 because you can up the boost. But the LS1 at 400hp is a perfect daily driver, I don't think that that Supra could match the longevity, and if you put FI on the LS1, oh damn, the rest you can imagine!

a stock supra block is stronger then a stock LS1 block. try running 500whp on the LS1 and it won't last. if you go to the street racing forum. moderator SELF has a LT1 camaro that is breakign down like crazy cause it was making close to 500hp or more. and he even admits it that once he hit 100K miles the car was giving him too much problems. on the 2jz gte 450 whp not hp is nothing to the block. and raising hte boost won't really wear that engine out. you should be more worried about those stock turbos wearing out before the engine does. bottom line. stock bottom end 2JZ GTE ( supra I6 motor not V6 ) will handle atleast 700whp to 1000whp if tuned right. a LS1 can only dream of handling so much on a stock bottom end. most peopel who does FI for a LS1 needs to do some fortification while the supra is not required.

a stock supra block is stronger then a stock LS1 block. try running 500whp on the LS1 and it won't last. if you go to the street racing forum. moderator SELF has a LT1 camaro that is breakign down like crazy cause it was making close to 500hp or more. and he even admits it that once he hit 100K miles the car was giving him too much problems. on the 2jz gte 450 whp not hp is nothing to the block. and raising hte boost won't really wear that engine out. you should be more worried about those stock turbos wearing out before the engine does. bottom line. stock bottom end 2JZ GTE ( supra I6 motor not V6 ) will handle atleast 700whp to 1000whp if tuned right. a LS1 can only dream of handling so much on a stock bottom end. most peopel who does FI for a LS1 needs to do some fortification while the supra is not required.

Uh...

http://chuckb.1le.net/01_trans_am/trans_am_dyno.html

(Thats N/A, a basic low boost supercharger would get it scraping 500 no problem)

http://www.f-body.org/ls1vortech/

Vortech supercharger on a basically stock Z28 = 460rwhp

http://www.procharger.com/2003newsletter/vette.systems.html

Whether or not that one is an ad gimmick I don't know, but 489rwhp with 7psi of boost and 91 octane gas sounds pretty damn good to me!

Bottom line is, the reason that the Supras engine can take that much boost is because it's an I6. I had an I6 in my LandCruiser, (much older tech one, but toyota nonetheless) and I refer to 4wheel and off road when I say, a straight six will run FOREVER, they just run like SHIT forever....

well i would hardly consider a super charger a as a bolt on. i was referring to using the usually intake and exhuast. now a super charger kit usually goes for 4K maybe 3K for that money its almost the cost of a turbo upgrade. so wherer will that put the supra? anyways you agree that the supra's engine is durable and you agree that it makes good power for the money. and i love f bodys and i love LS1's but we're just from different camps. i'm more for imports your more for domestics.

I would have to say even modded, things stay pretty even. An LS1 with all the bolt-ons I'm sure will reach or pass 400hp, thing is, that's n/a. Now the Supra can be boosted up to 450hp, but obviously it wasn't meant for this, if it was, this would be the factory boost setting. Anyway, I feel like things are gettnig too opinionated and less factual. Just my $.02

the supra is very bottled up from the factory. with a simple intake and exhuast and intercooler piping change you can get atleast 80whp from just that. 450whp is no where near pushing taht engine hard. just like the LS1 if the engine can't handle that kind of power whey did chevy only make it put out 300whp when you can get 400whp easy? same reason. if they made all that power the fuel economy would go down and it might not pass the standard for the fleet average the whole company. it might not pass noise, or emissions. there is a load of reasons why the factory bottles up cars like that.

I was refering to the boost setting, on a FI car. The LS1 as an engine doesn't have near the stress the Supra's does. I mentioned bolt-ons, exactly, they mearly change how the car breathes among other things hey make more efficient. On the other hand, someone mentioned turning the boost up to make 450hp. This is not simply a bolt-on, aka making the engine run more efficiently, it is changing a factory setting on where and how the engine should perform, hence raising the stress level. I doubt you could run around with a stock Supra w/ the boost up to make 450hp for very long, eventually things would start to break because it is not meant for this, however, you cannot say the LS1 was not meant to have simple bolt-ons.

the supra is very bottled up from the factory. with a simple intake and exhuast and intercooler piping change you can get atleast 80whp from just that. 450whp is no where near pushing taht engine hard. just like the LS1 if the engine can't handle that kind of power whey did chevy only make it put out 300whp when you can get 400whp easy? same reason. if they made all that power the fuel economy would go down and it might not pass the standard for the fleet average the whole company. it might not pass noise, or emissions. there is a load of reasons why the factory bottles up cars like that.

Toyota 'bottled up' their engine, but Chevy 'limited' their engine because of weakness.... right, care to notice the double standard in that statement?

Anyways, when you can get an OLD Chevy V8 to get over 400 horsepower with just a Carburetor, no supercharger or turbo, it pretty much seals the matter right there on which design gets more power without resorting to forced induction.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/bowtie/bowtie.html

LPE-
http://www.lingenfelter.com/superchargedc5_intercooled.asp

Remember the supra in question has two turbos, which certainly should make it outperform a V8 with a mere supercharger... oh wait, no it wont.

i never said that it was just toyota who bottles up their engine. if you read carefully i said that is why "companys" bottle up their engines. and to be honest with you know, i don't even like toyota. lolz i only respect the MR2 turbo and i love the supra. but that is about it. every other car in their fleet is gay and is designed for old boring people. boring cars for boring people.

every other car in their fleet is gay and is designed for old boring people. boring cars for boring people.

Actually, you're right about that, it's one reason Toyota made the gay assed 'Scion' line of cars, to try and appeal to younger people. Turns out the average age of a Toyota buyer was over 45.

Actually, you're right about that, it's one reason Toyota made the gay assed 'Scion' line of cars, to try and appeal to younger people. Turns out the average age of a Toyota buyer was over 45.

This sounds like Toyota is making a more appealing market for the younger crowd. I know that the last quarter of 03' GM actually outsold Toyota in automobile sales (followed by Ford, then Honda). It would only sound resonable for Toyota to make cars more appealing for other possible buyers to regain the larger percentage of the market.

toyota is scared almost like murcury and oldsmobile that their primary buyers will die and that there will be no new following for them. what toyota needs is a true performance car again. something that is either AWD, RWD, or MR the new celica is hardly a considered a quick car. they need to bring back turbo charged cars with high potential rather then a high strung n/a car.