intercooler without turbo?

would it be beneficial to add an intercooler if I don't have a turbo. I know that the purpose of the intercooler is to cool down the air running through the turbo before it goes into the intake. I was just thinking...how much does it cool it down. If you were to take normal intake air and cool it even more via an intercooler...hmmm.

arospeed has an cold front intake that looks like a intercooler

The heat that is built up in a turbo is very high. This is why a intercooler is needed. Putting an intercooler on a N/A engine would be useless, its going to add more weight then the cooling benefit it would provide. To get air cold enough for increased performance in a car without alot of weight you need to go to N02.

the ambient air going into the intake isnt any warmer than the ambient air outside of the car. one word: USELESS.

Gosh darn it to heck!!! Thought I had a good idea.

I was going to add nitrous but SCCA doesn't allow it and in my region they won't let you race even if you are just hooked up with juice and have no bottle.

Originally posted by praxis
Gosh darn it to heck!!! Thought I had a good idea.

I was going to add nitrous but SCCA doesn't allow it and in my region they won't let you race even if you are just hooked up with juice and have no bottle.


then go with forced induction and get your ass handed to you in Street Modified :D

I think I may go SuperCharged one day...but I kind of like the idea of building and staying N/A.

well if you wanna stay naturally aspirated you need to toss that d16 and get a b16 or a b18c motor, thatll give you some power.

NO THANKS...I have a secret build up plan that is going to laugh at a B series (wishfull thinking)...I just like being the underdog...that's all.

But I will laugh at a B series if I go SC.

How bad would a B series owner look getting beat by a D16?:smoker:

Originally posted by praxis
How bad would a B series owner look getting beat by a D16?:smoker:

They would probobly be impressed, then wonder why you spent so much money on your car. They would then go out and spend about half what you spent and hand you your arse the next time you met. :D

Originally posted by Moppie


They would probobly be impressed, then wonder why you spent so much money on your car. They would then go out and spend about half what you spent and hand you your arse the next time you met. :D

my current project is a D16Z6 and I plan on pushing some 400hp out of it N/A and dont say its imposible cuz there a guy who got his D16 to 460hp no joke I dont wanna list parts cuz then what the point everyones gonna do it and oh ya all for less than 1800 I plan on doing all the labour my self ;)

that's bullshit......i no way believe a n/a d16 can get 400+ horsepower......the quickest all motor honda has about 250 horses......and those are professionals w/ almost no budget (sponsors)....i think it's bullshit.......i won't believe til i see it.......

Originally posted by tenzoracerevovii
that's bullshit......i no way believe a n/a d16 can get 400+ horsepower......the quickest all motor honda has about 250 horses......and those are professionals w/ almost no budget (sponsors)....i think it's bullshit.......i won't believe til i see it.......

I agree with there being no way you can get 400 out of a d16 but you can build a B Series N/A over 250

I think he was being sarcastic...

Hey! Nothing is impossible if you use Spiral Max!

Originally posted by Someguy
Hey! Nothing is impossible if you use Spiral Max! My Tornado Air is sooooooo much better than your stupid Spiral Max. Everyone knows that the Spiral Max doesn't work! Sheesh. ;)

http://www.tornadoair.com/
http://www.spiralmax.com/

Originally posted by fritz_269
My Tornado Air is sooooooo much better than your stupid Spiral Max. Everyone knows that the Spiral Max doesn't work! Sheesh. ;)

http://www.tornadoair.com/
http://www.spiralmax.com/


now that's BS too... we ALL know that all he needs is a Type-R sticker!

Originally posted by fritz_269
My Tornado Air is sooooooo much better than your stupid Spiral Max. Everyone knows that the Spiral Max doesn't work! Sheesh. ;)


Oh! You want to come over here and say that again Frenchie? (hee hee) What you don't know is that I have two Spiral Maxi back to back! The Vortexitudal Force is up to a level 6 Tornado, Beeeee-atch! :D

As long as this topic is spinning off into space, Fritz take a look at this:

http://home.attbi.com/~mlbobbitt/griggsSLA.jpg

Looks very interesting... Although expensive...

Im sorry someguy, but I really have to say this.


Have you ever noticed how common completly redesigned suspension components are for the Mustang? even the new ones.
While Hondas get a good range of adjustable coilovers and thats it. Unless you want expensive lightened parts, which are exactly the same as the stock parts.

Someone needs to explain to Ford that the round wheel shaped thing in frount of the driver is ment to be just as functional as the pedal on the right hand side. :D



Now while we're on the topic, (or off the topic as the case maybe) How is your car coming along?
:cool:

Originally posted by drift



then go with forced induction and get your ass handed to you in Street Modified :D

My plans exactly!

400hp out of a D16Z6 all-motor?


I don't even have to explain why it won't work :D

Seeing as how Honda "only" got around...260 (approx.) out of their F1 1.5Ls. (Methanol right Moppie? i dunno...i'm guessing)

OOPS!! big oops!
didn't see the wink the first time.......damn do i feel stupid.......sorry about that!!!!.........im only human!!:alien2:

um...what thread is this? And why is still open?

Anyway...there was an article about a 1.5L civic hatch, in one of the magazines, non vtec that ran 11's. Pretty impressive, eh? He had a carb. running to each intake port. I am sure that it was extremely expensive. I was merely stating that I like to be the underdog.

400+ hp???

CLOSE THIS THREAD

are u sure it was a civic hatch and not a crx?
because i know some fellow has a 1.5 liter sohc non-vtec that runs 11's....bisi ezerioha or something like that........:confused: maybe?......who knows

400hp from a D series engine is possible. and it wouldn't surprise me if it hasn't already been done.

However you won't do it with only $1800, and theres no way it will be a streetable engine, or for that matter a relaible race engine.
As a project for an enginer and profesinal engine builder with to much time and money on thier hands its a pluasible idea.
For a kid with a dream, it will remian a dream.

:cool:

Originally posted by Moppie
400hp from a D series engine is possible. and it wouldn't surprise me if it hasn't already been done.

However you won't do it with only $1800, and theres no way it will be a streetable engine, or for that matter a relaible race engine.
As a project for an enginer and profesinal engine builder with to much time and money on thier hands its a pluasible idea.
For a kid with a dream, it will remian a dream.

:cool:

but naturally aspirated?......i don't know.....maybe.....even big detroit muscle barely makes 400 hp......the new corvette z06 makes around 400 + rite?......that's w/ twice as many cylinders........well......im no mechanic......so correct me if im wrong........just my opinion......

Originally posted by Moppie
Im sorry someguy, but I really have to say this.


Its okay, I know.


Have you ever noticed how common completly redesigned suspension components are for the Mustang? even the new ones.


You don't have to tell me the stock suspension is basically junk. The only thing it really has going for it is that you can fit real big tires (275s on the front). Other then that, its a big hunk of steaming stamped steel crap.


While Hondas get a good range of adjustable coilovers and thats it. Unless you want expensive lightened parts, which are exactly the same as the stock parts.


Yeah, but I've never seen a Civic with adjustable control arms, adjustable bump steer, 315s, and Alcon 6 pot brakes on the front, and 500 hp at the rear either. Is it where you start or where you finish? :)

Someone needs to explain to Ford that the round wheel shaped thing in frount of the driver is ment to be just as functional as the pedal on the right hand side. :D

At least they aren't using those square wheels anymore. Those were horrible.

Now while we're on the topic, (or off the topic as the case maybe) How is your car coming along?
:cool:

She's getting ready to go under the knife for basically what's pictured above, which is sitting on my kitchen table right now. Then after I get my Christmas Bonus (don't ask me why I get a "Christmas" bonus a month after Christmas), I'll have to figure out my budget for the forced induction. :D

Originally posted by Moppie
400hp from a D series engine is possible. and it wouldn't surprise me if it hasn't already been done.



i dont know about his HP rating, but Bisi Eszeroha (sp?) crx is D15 powered and runs 10's. naturally aspirated, i might add.

Originally posted by Someguy
At least they aren't using those square wheels anymore. Those were horrible.
Hmmm... They might have go back to them since some guy in Austrailia just patented the wheel. No kidding.

The actual patent for the "circular transportation facilitation device":
http://www.ipmenu.com/archive/AUI_2001100012.pdf

The news story:
http://it.mycareer.com.au/news/2001/07/03/FFXQ7G9HJOC.html

And with that, consider this wildly off-topic, inane, pointless thread closed.

:smoker2: