Beating a Mach 1

Hey whats up guys. I know that yall have been waiting to find out who won. I am happy and to say that i now have an extra 100 bucks in my wallet. It was pretty bad ass. We raced 3 times. I won all three by atleast a car length. He had me on the start every race but i would catch him before i hit 2nd gear and i would pull away and then at the end he would pull close again. I think that it was because my tires are smaller than they are supposed to be. I spun the tires a little bit on the takes offs but not to much. The guy didn't hesitate to pay me either. When we got into town I talked to the driver and he said that he had done the best he could. He said he thought that he was going to win every time cause of the take off. He gave me props for winning and said that my car was pretty fast. I beat his cobra too. :icon16:

Damn, a victory, nice!!! Finally some proven facts. BTW what kind of Cobra, and i'm curious what you have done???

Congradulations, your victory has also won you a post in your thread by the one and only "Genopsyde"

It was a 96 cobra with 4.10's and flowmaster exhaust some kind of intake and a different shifter. Whipped his ass. By about half the race i was ahead by 2 and 1/2 cars. he didn't close in at all. I have hpp3, 160 degree stat, and 80 series flowmaster.

Good job man. At least the driver of the car had some humility about him :bigthumb:

well done man, kick ass showing for the camaro crowd. and nice to hear about the amicable ending to it all as well. thats how it should be.

Good job....

all bow in humble admiration to the genopsyde... now that the formalities are out of the way, sounds like it was a good run. you just gotta love the camaro...

i figured you would win, just looking at the stats and weight. good kill!!

I'm wondering something.... You beat a 03 Mach1 by at least a car length each time. But yet you beat a 96 Cobra basically the same exact car but a tad lighter which had 4.10's and the same driver as the Mach1 by 21/2 car lengths by half-way through something close to a 1/4 mile I imagine. Now what makes the Mach1 faster than previous solid axle Cobra's is the 3.55 rear gears. A 96 Cobra wit 4.10's you destroyed but you only beat a Mach1 wit 3.55's by a car or so length at the end....
Sorry people by I'm throwing it up! :bs:

Always a killjoy =Þ

Hay gtstang dont get your panties in a bunch because it tacks forced induction for a stang to beat a LS1 besides who would drive a pony car any way's :gay:

Congrats buddy! So nice to hear - damn I can't wait to get my car back on the road for some summer street racing!


And about the whole Mach1 vs Cobra thing, there's so many variables that could explain the differences in acceleration. For one thing, we're looking at one brand new car and one 8 year old car (has the 32valver been around that long?). Even if the '96 was well maintained if the engine hasn't been rebuilt or its got a lot of miles you'd think the new motor would have the advantage. I don't remember the first run of 32v's putting out the same HP they are now - you often hear LS1 guys saying the early '97+ LS1 didn't make as much power as the '01-'02.

Could all boil down to the day of the week each car was built. :naughty:

Mach1 might have been put together on a Wed afternoon and in fact be a ringer (not likely by how the race turned out :p ). Cobra could have been built on a shitty Mon morning by guys who had just started assembling these motors.

It can't be that hard to believe he beat an older 32ver by a slightly bigger margin even if it had shorter gears.

Doesn't a new Mach 1 have the 4.6 powerplant rated at 305HP, the same as the '96 Cobra w/ a 4.6 @305HP, so we are talking essaintially racing the same thing... ony difference is the rear-end. Simply the '96 is not running as good as the '03, and even the gearing advantage isn't enough.

another possiblilty is the 96 cobra doesn't have tc but i'm pretty sure the mach1 does, if the mach turned it on just for the begining and then turned it of on grip :dunno: if the tires on the cobra are slicker he wouldn't get enough traction, i mean there are so many reasons why it coulda happen that way.

Sorry guys the :bs: stays up. Although you guys all put up good points I'm not argueing that he can't beat a Mach1 or a 96 Cobra with 4.10's . What I'm saying is losing to a Mach1 by a car length or so and then destroying a 96 Cobra wit 4.10's is so inconsistent it's reeks of BS. Even if the Cobra was a bad motor from the factory, or it was showing mileage age the 4.10's would make up for that. If he said he beat the Cobra by by a slightly larger margin than the Mach1 at the end fine or if the Cobra sat and spun out a ton etc.., You can say I'm a being a baised Ford owner but you can look at what I posted in the Mustang Forum about this race when he posted. I'm just stating logical facts that you know wether you want to hear them or not are true.

Hay gtstang dont get your panties in a bunch because it tacks forced induction for a stang to beat a LS1 besides who would drive a pony car any way's :gay:


Who cares if it is forced induction.... and seeing how you are new here, I would not be so fast to shoot of a flame towards someone just because they have a different view on the matter. GTstang knows his stuff so just chill.

I don't care if u don't beleive me. I have 100 dollars in my pocket now. The guy has dynoed his cobra and it only had 28o hp. It has about 120,000 miles. He works on the car himself. He is a technician at our local ford house. He rebuilt his tranny not to long ago. If u think that is cheap on my part for racing him, then he shouldn't have asked me to race.

yea, brush them haters off.

yeah, not to fuel an argument, but the fact that the cobra had 4.10 gears means nothing. i havent spared with you personaly, but hypsi thinks you know your stuff, so to me that means you do, but i have to point out that your talking about those gears like they mean everything. kinda like a civic owner would say that his three foot tall wing makes all the difference in the world. as any racer can tell you, there are many variables that could effect the outcome of those races. maybe the cobra has a loose spark plug thats throwing it off. i just think that its kinda high and mighty to throw out the BS flag when all you have to say is that it has 4.10 gears, and therefore should be much faster than he said it was. unless you were there, or know that car, or the driver, thats a pretty pompus thing to do in my opinion. just thought id bring that up.

Booya!

Yea, the cobra should be a better contender cause its producing the same power as the mach 1 and it's sporting 4:10's.. I'm begining to think that the dude can't drive. And it deffinatly does not take forced induction to beat an LS1.. The camaro,stock, runs 13.5 or so, the cobra runs 13.9.. So with some minor bolt ons the 96 Cobra should match or beat the camaro... this kid has mods done to his camaro, and the mach 1 was keeping up so obviously force induction is a cocky statment.. Just for your information, a 2001 Cobra with a procharger set at 8psi can run in the 11's.. I like my 99 Cobra better than a trans am or camaro cause i feel they are built better and have better top end, as proven in that race, but i still respect F-body's.. No need to trash other ppl's rides..
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yeah, not to fuel an argument, but the fact that the cobra had 4.10 gears means nothing. i havent spared with you personaly, but hypsi thinks you know your stuff, so to me that means you do, but i have to point out that your talking about those gears like they mean everything. kinda like a civic owner would say that his three foot tall wing makes all the difference in the world. as any racer can tell you, there are many variables that could effect the outcome of those races. maybe the cobra has a loose spark plug thats throwing it off. i just think that its kinda high and mighty to throw out the BS flag when all you have to say is that it has 4.10 gears, and therefore should be much faster than he said it was. unless you were there, or know that car, or the driver, thats a pretty pompus thing to do in my opinion. just thought id bring that up.

i agree, there are just too many possible reasons why it coulda happen that way

98-00 Z28's are rated at 305 hp as is the Mach1. They are both said to be underated. Mach 1 is underated by about 10-15 hp this has been dyno proven now an ls1 has been know to be underated by alot more. check this guys Z28 with dyno sheets to prove it. 13.2 bone stock @ 105mph.(http://joshker99.home.comcast.net/98z28.htm)

yeah, not to fuel an argument, but the fact that the cobra had 4.10 gears means nothing. i havent spared with you personaly, but hypsi thinks you know your stuff, so to me that means you do, but i have to point out that your talking about those gears like they mean everything. kinda like a civic owner would say that his three foot tall wing makes all the difference in the world. as any racer can tell you, there are many variables that could effect the outcome of those races. maybe the cobra has a loose spark plug thats throwing it off. i just think that its kinda high and mighty to throw out the BS flag when all you have to say is that it has 4.10 gears, and therefore should be much faster than he said it was. unless you were there, or know that car, or the driver, thats a pretty pompus thing to do in my opinion. just thought id bring that up.

I know what a 96 Cobra can do compared to a Mach1. I know what a 4V Cobra can do with 4.10's or better yet what it can do a Mach1. Drive a 4V Mod motor with the stock gears and then with 4.10's. Then you'll understand why 4.10's are more important to a 4V Cobra motor than regular push-rod V8.

Next if this guy was a Ford Tech I would expect his car to be running in good shape and know if the car was off. But even if he didn't, your talking about things that would cause a small let down in 1320 times. Nothing that would explain gettin destroyed.

Look bro I know what and happened i am sory u don't believe it. The guy even said that he knew that he wasn't going to catch me so he said he eventually gave up. His cobra has been beaten by an Lt1 twice before. Lt1 had American thunder exhaust from flowmaster and some kind of chip. I am not saying that it can't be fast its just u are calling bullshit and u weren't there. He had the fastest regular car until the first Ls1 rolled into town. he hasn't been able to beat one of us yet. My boy drives a 02 A4 z28 and he beat the other cobra in town also a 96 manual with same mods except he has a chip and dual camber flowmaster. All that Z has is 80 series flowmaster. I have beat that Z before. I am not saying u are wrong cause obviously u know ur shit. It sucks that u don't belive me but it happend

I dont remember if gears are the same but they are after market.

Well no matter how good the car is it has to be driven well to be fast. The two cars are "similar" in power ratings so the driver determines the race in these cases. Congrats on winning a $100.

Well, i actually have to agree with Stang on this one. Racing a quarter mile, both of the stangs have the same amount of power, that's agreed. But he's saying that a car that was geared for the eighth mile(4.10) pulled on him, while the car that was actually geared for the quarter(3.55) lost by 2 1/2 car lengths. It is kind of suspicious.

I think u got ur facts back words. the car with the 4.10's I tore up the one with the 3.55's i bearly beat.
I got the guy geared for the 1/8 mile and the one that pulled on me is the geared for the 1/4. I don't see why yall don't understand. The cobra is old it has been raced like a mother trucker. This guy has been racing it since he got it a few years ago. He bought the thing used. It has been beat by an lt1 so what makes u think that i can't spank it. The Mach 1 is brand spankin new. So what u are saying is that the older car with 120,000 miles actually stands a better chance than the new one. I just don't see how. Both of the stangs had the same amount of power. The cobra is old bro. And like the driver said some times ur car runs like shit and some times it kicks ass.

race him again and tape it...prolly the only way some of these guys are gonna believe you...

i don't think yo need to record anything, just stop arguing with them. if you raced him then you raced him, if you are lying please don't anymore cause these moderators and vets will catch you, otherwise don't worry about it you won. i beat a 300zxtt from a roll when i was stock, if you ask any of the moderaters they would probably say bs just cause of i have awd and he has rwd and he's lighter, i dont know why i won but i did, and there is no need to argue or record, you know whats the truth. just don't lie or post kills that they might not believe unless you wanna argue.

Well I still think it sounds strange but I will except it. Good kills Z28Boy... where you live? sounds like some good racing there.

Right know i am at college at texas tech I am from a small town by amarillo. There are 3 Ws6 ls1's and 4 z28 ls1's 2 cobras the ones i spoke about and alot of GT's. the mach1 belongs to my frineds brother who lives in amarillo he jsut wanted to race me since i beat his brother. There is one SS camaro who can smoke all of us but hedoesn't race on the street.I want to say thanks for the complament but i have feeling u don't beleive me. I am sorry but I am telling the truth. neither cobra has been able to beat any of the Ls1's. I am not trying to give ford a bad name its jsut that maybe both of this cobras are slower than usual. They are both daily drivers and are driven pretty hard by the owners and both were bought used. They do their own work to their cars now i am not saying that they don't know what they are doing but it is a possibility. It sucks that yall think i am lying but i am not. Also doswn here for a car to run in the hi 13's u are considered fast. The cobra ran at the track with street tires and only achieved a 14.8. Now the first ls1 to beat him ran a 14.5 My friends ws6 ran a 14.0. That is fast down here. My boys 02 Z beats the ws6 by a bumper on the street. I have beat the 02 by about 2 cars before. So u see the cobra isn't that fast maybe its just this cobra i don't know. The Ls1 i have seen run at the track ran a 13.7 with slp loud mouth.

a 96 cobra is suppose to run like a 14.0 in the 1/4, why in the hell is it running 14.8, thats like the speed of a eclipse gsx with intake. that makes no since, you would have been better off leaving this alone.

naw man, its the air down there, race the cobra in better air and im sure it will be faster, but there im sure the 14.8 is respectable. but also, someone brought up that the cobra owner was a ford tech??? really, being a dealership technition myself, that dont mean much. alot of techs really dont take good care of their cars, and are at the end of the day, still human. ive driven my car in a state of disrepair for a while on several occations when i had other priorities for my money. ive also driven my car for a while after i bought it, without realizing it had a bad O2 sensor, crossed wires, and clogged air filters. so there very mwell might hve been something wrong with the cobra, ya just never know is the only point i wanted to make. i do know my RS runs like a bat out of hell some days, ive taken Integra Type R's (not alot i know, but for a 170hp 3600lbs car, not bad) and then loose to a civic the next day, cuz she just dont feel like racin, and needs a trans rebuild about 30,000 miles ago ;) so its all relative. if all cars in question were in 100% shape, then the story might have been different, im just sayin we dont know what kinda shape they were in is all. not tryin to be a dick.

All those times are week.. Sounds like some ppl need driving lessons is all..

lol, maybe i am trying to be a dick, but dude, honestly, id love to see the timeslip from your car when you go down there to run it. and compair it to say, norcal air. i think it would be a learning experience.

I'd just like to ask one thing???
This goes to GTstang... your 14 reason list there, is that sarcasim, or have you come to accept the LS1 as a dominant force or what, I'm just curious

Hay gtstang dont get your panties in a bunch because it tacks forced induction for a stang to beat a LS1 besides who would drive a pony car any way's :gay:

Somone who is interested in kicking bowtie A$$, kinda like myself I guess.:cwm27:

Somone who is interested in kicking bowtie A$$, kinda like myself I guess.:cwm27:

good luck :\

We all need to find a 1/4 mile stip that is in the middle and all go there and run all of this stuff down the track. It's the only way.



lol, maybe i am trying to be a dick, but dude, honestly, id love to see the timeslip from your car when you go down there to run it. and compair it to say, norcal air. i think it would be a learning experience.
Hmm I don't really worry about elevation considering my car is turbocharged and elevation won't effect me as severe as your NA cars. but I was under the impression that texas air would be better. closer to sea level and not as humid. Like I said, I have never really paid attention to elevation, If it feels like its not getting enough air I just turn up the boost a bit. If anyone wants to take the time to explain why texas air is bad and NC air is good? Not trying to sound like an ass or anything, I'm just really courious.

Andy

Na bro, I think that it is the southern part of texas that has the better air. this guy came into town with an M6 02 z and he got spanked by the guy who ran a 14.5. the other guy was from San Angelo and he had his time slip that said he ran a 13.6 down there. I am from the northern part of TX. The track we go to is in amarillo.

around San Antonio/Austin I know Texas is humid as fuck...

yeah I know i been to austin it is hot as hell. i was there for 3 days and it was like 98 all 3 days. I went to the schliter ban so it was cool.
I was always told our cars get such low times because of the air. So i couldn't realy explain it.

It's the same here in KY...

On dry days, my baby runs nice and swift..

Others im bogged to shit.

I believe cars run slower in warmer weather.. I can't explain why in detail either, but it's just a known fact.. I guess cars like colder air, thats why some people like cold air intakes opposed to warm air intakes that get air from the warm engine bay, but still i never heard or seen it make as big a difference as these guys are talking about... My friend ran his GSR here in NY on the hottest day this summer which it was like 90 something and very humid.. He normally ran 15.2 and that day he ran 15.6.. And thats in the most extreme condition if you ask me... That cobra that was spoken of was running a full second slower than normal.. thats still real slow even for the extreme temperatures...I think spring and fall, here up north are the best times of year to get times without weather interfearance...

i think its more to do with air content as well... wet boggy air

Cold air is better because cold air is denser, which means for the same volume (3.8, 5.7, 4.6, 5.0, whatever) there is more air (which is about 1/4 oxygen) hence more oxygen, better performance.