First car and 11's

I was reading some other treads from a month ago.This guy (15 my age also) wanted to get a vr-4.Well..thats what i want to get.Yes i know...i'm young...but...thats what i really want to get.That or a gsx....one of the two.But i want i nice car...and a fast one also.One that i can keep till i get older...i also want to mod the vr-4 up to 11's 1/4 miles.So my question is...should i do it.I have a good job.I work for my dad so i dont have any taxes.I found one with 104k miles on it...its a 94 vr-4.So should i go for it?...if i get it i will still have $2000 left after i get it.Plus my dads going to pay for my insurance till i get my first ticket.So he gets to pay for that :biggrin: Also..my other question is how can i get it to the 11's?I'm thinking K&N filter, JIC exhaust, Greddy Boost controller, Boost gauge and EGT gauge, Random Cat, 3sx custom downpipe, Denso 290 lph fuel pump, RC 550 cc injectors, Apex'i S-afc, GT-357 or 367 turbos, GT intercooler kit and maybe a little more mods.But would that take me to 11's after i got to be a better dirver?I wouldn't do the mods till i have the car for i year or so just to let ya know.Geez...i type alot lol.It may sound like alot...but thats what i want to do and i have about 200 hours of driving already.So i think by the time i get my vr-4 i should have some experience...thats what i think!

now of coarse your gonna be told that car is too dangerous for you, especially by yogs, he doesnt want anyone getting hurt but if your gonna do it no matter what then yeah the mods you mentioned sound like 11's to me but that car has a lot a miles on it, and it is very expensive to fix, so heads up.

ps the car is very dangerous, your basically a 16 year old jumping into a corvette wich = injury, so be carefull!

I disagree.

Age doesn't matter. Experience does. If you don't know alot about your car, get educated. Especially with alot of mods. Drive safely, drive sensibly.

I know a 15 year old who can part out a car and put it back together again. His father was a mechanic and a restorer.

I disagree.

Age doesn't matter. Experience does. If you don't know alot about your car, get educated. Especially with alot of mods. Drive safely, drive sensibly.

I know a 15 year old who can part out a car and put it back together again. His father was a mechanic and a restorer.

I sort of agree, but i disagree as well. Age does and doesn't matter, but experience definitely does. And it basically comes through the amount of time your spend driving, aka, experience. I know a junior in high school who completely rebuilt a 68 mustang by himself, and he drives like absolute shit. He may know alot about cars, but driving them is a whole different story. But then again, i would expect an 18 year old who drives daily in down town cleveland, and takes the highway every day during rush hour to be a much better driver than a man in his 40's who got his license 3 weeks ago.

Its not age, but more so maturity. That plays a huge parts when your friends say race him, or lets see how fast it goes, or any of that shit.

When you learn that you dont have to prove what you or your car can do is the time your ready to own a performance vehicle.

Also, being able to drive one car to its fullest does not mean you can drive another that way. And if you try to go strait to that level you will crash the car. Spend a few months learning how the car reacts and its limits, then mod to your hearts content. just remember, after you put the car back together, its a new car with new performance characteristics, and you will have to learn it all over again.

If you can afford the car and you think you have the maturity to handle it, by all means get the car. Just be careful, and dont be a danger to other drivers.

At such a young age, you're more tempted by others. I'd like to see any 15/16 year old who shys away from peer pressure. I'm almost 20 and I still get the "urge" to jump off the line.... That's just the 15 year old in me. :p

Maturity... that's right.

Call it what you will, but a sixteen year old in a sports car is a dangerous thing. Experience and maturity comes with time. Sixteen years is not nearly enough to gain both. Anyone can be well on their way, or have more then their piers but its not enough for an 11 second car.

Think about the number of times you were thirteen and were so sure that you were acting mature, knowing you were right and so sure that you had the answers. You can look back now and realize that you weren't as smart as you thought you were. Now isn't all that much different. You (third person and nobody here in particular) know more, you are more mature, you are more experienced, but take it from me, its highly unlikely you've gotten enough.

If a VR4 is the car you're going to get then I hope its all you hope (and it will be :iceslolan) but please think carefully before making it nearly 20% faster.

Heehee Yogs... I've seen you say that so many times. But yeah, its basically all those things you guys said. You really gotta know your car. And I'm not talkin about mechanical stuff. The mechs are important too, but you really got to have a feel for your car. You have to know how it will react when you do certain things like punch it off the line, or turn too sharp, or step on the brakes too hard. And you gotta keep your emotions out of it too. Especially when you get angry, thats when you do stupid things. But yeah, I think an 11 sec car is a little quick for someone who's 16. Just get a VR4 and as you get more experience and a feel for it, start adding horsepower gradually.

'Nuff said. Go with a cheaper slower car, gain the experience to really see if the VR4 is right for you. Young male with a fast car...Bad combination IMO.

Well, considering what you want and what you want to do with it, and the fact that you only have 200 hours under your belt(prolly more by now, but still grains of sand in a desert), My opinion is that a 300hp, twin turbo awd vehicle is going to get you in a lot of trouble. I disagree with the whole age thing being a factor, but it's true that a typical 16 year old getting his license is gonna have a heavy foot. I did(and still do sometimes), and EVERYONE i know has at one time. My own mother had that problem when she first got her license. In my opinion, i wouldn't wanna start off with a car like a VR-4, because of the power, look, and age factors. Here in Ohio, If a cop sees a car they think is raced around, they watch you, and they remember your car. One night, even in my Eclipse, which isn't nearly as powerful, i was followed from a duncan donuts all the way home. He cited me for non-working license plate light... in my driveway. I'm not saying it's a car you should never have, nor that you won't act responsibly(though you post gives evidence on what your gonna do), the Age to car ratio does play a role when it comes to law enforcement, and it's overall better just to not have to deal with it rather than try and fight it until your 18. Trust me, i learned the hard way. But, these are only my opinions and advice. If you really wanna get one, more power to you, but good luck.

how can some of you say time is a factor but age isn't?
age has almost everything to do with it.

1.maturity (grammer)
2.time
3.experience

you guys tell me if you owned a c5 vette, would you let your 16 year old take the car all day and all the time. if your answer is yes your gonna have a totalled vette and an injured kid. the statistics say more than likely he will get hurt.

My opinion follows suit. I highly encourage anyone to follow their dreams and get this car. Thats what I did. I was in your position at 15 and wanted a vr4 pretty bad...I didn't get it until I was 20. And I still have had a couple close calls due to the power of the car and my own stupidity. It's great to get the car, but when you come 3 feet from wrapping it around a tree the 3rd day you own it...you gain a whole new respect and fear of the car. If you get it and can afford it, mod it to your heart's content. However, what I think everyone is trying to say is that it can be a VERY dangerous car, a VERY expensive car, and VERY VERY good cop-magnet. This summer I got police escorts on a 12 mile commute everyday to and from work. And it is only a matter of time before they catch you for something. So basically what I was trying to say is be sure, and be safe. Good luck

I'm 17.

My car history has been as follows:

1. 1993 Geo Prizm
2. 1987 Nissan 300zx TT
3. 1996 Eagle Talon TSI AWD
4. 1993 Honda Prelude

I've been practicing drag and track courses since I was 12. I've watched all manners of rally and autocross. I don't slam my brakes when somebody revs at me. Or try F&F inspired stunts. If anyone knows me at all, I drive like an old lady to be safe unless I'm on the tracks. I realize that running over someone IS manslaughter and I could go to jail for it. I realize the risks that comes with this hobby, injury or even death. Luckily, I've never once been in an accident where it's been my fault.

And yet, frankly, I will acknowledge that I am still a beginner. But I can say that just because I'm young doesn't mean I'd total a C5 if I have one. Owning a car isnt about age. Yes, teenagers are generally aggressive drivers, but that's just that. A generalization.

I truly believe that age doesn't matter. It's the realization of what you're doing. Just be sensible, and stay safe at all times. No matter if you're on the track or road.

how can some of you say time is a factor but age isn't?
age has almost everything to do with it.

1.maturity (grammer)
2.time
3.experience

you guys tell me if you owned a c5 vette, would you let your 16 year old take the car all day and all the time. if your answer is yes your gonna have a totalled vette and an injured kid. the statistics say more than likely he will get hurt.

I agree with all 3 things, youngvr4, but they don't necessarily have to do with age. Let me put it this way... IMO opinion, nobody's first car should be a twin turbo 300+hp monster, much less anything that can do donuts without having to do them in reverse (exception of trucks, and there's a vr4 donut video), even if the person is in there 30's. There very first car (providing that they are getting it close to there obtaining a license). Basically, if i owned a c5 vette, which i won't on a c-series vette for a long time, i wouldn't let my own girlfriend/wife(whatever she may be at the time) drive it. We're both the same age, but she doesn't have nearly the driving experience i do, let alone me trusting myself in a c5 vette.

I don't see why it even matters. We learn from our mistakes, right?

Not if you die making one.

:iagree:

I agree with all 3 things, youngvr4, but they don't necessarily have to do with age. Let me put it this way... IMO opinion, nobody's first car should be a twin turbo 300+hp monster, much less anything that can do donuts without having to do them in reverse (exception of trucks, and there's a vr4 donut video), even if the person is in there 30's. There very first car (providing that they are getting it close to there obtaining a license). Basically, if i owned a c5 vette, which i won't on a c-series vette for a long time, i wouldn't let my own girlfriend/wife(whatever she may be at the time) drive it. We're both the same age, but she doesn't have nearly the driving experience i do, let alone me trusting myself in a c5 vette.

understood, but if 85% says he is gonna get into a wreck then its not a good idea. i'm not saying that everyone under age is gonna wreck no matter what, but most likely they are, and most people(like 90%) don't have enough experience at 16 or 17. there's always exeptions but if the worst is leaning toward injury big time, then i say no, cause MOST LIKELY something bad will happen

I still think i'm going to get a VR-4...i found a great deal on one yesterday and i'm going to call the guy today.I have the money for it.I have the money for the insurance (cuz of my dad) and i really have thinked about it alot...i know i can take it.Trust me...320 hp is about of power and i know that.But this is something i want and i know i can handle.I wont really mod it up till 2 or more year.I will put suspension, intake, exhaust and new fuel system on it after the first 3 or 4 months.But i wont make it an 11 sec car till i'm older.Thanks for all your help and warnings.

'Nuff said. Go with a cheaper slower car, gain the experience to really see if the VR4 is right for you. Young male with a fast car...Bad combination IMO.


your hella dummmmmmmm get a cheap slow car. the kid will still drive fast let the kid get a vr4 its alot safer then a cheap ass civic or neon.

how can some of you say time is a factor but age isn't?
age has almost everything to do with it.

1.maturity (grammer)
2.time
3.experience

you guys tell me if you owned a c5 vette, would you let your 16 year old take the car all day and all the time. if your answer is yes your gonna have a totalled vette and an injured kid. the statistics say more than likely he will get hurt.

i agree you should not let the kid drive my be step down to a 3000gt sl
the sl dosent have the turbos and all weel drie and all weel stering though the look of the 3000gt is still there infact i hve a 3000gt sl and vr4.selling sl 6000$ it has mod including custum headers custum catback
and K&A intake 275hp with a all weel confertion kit run 14sec in the 1/4
oh yea its a 92 and 67k miles but it needs new battery,starter,and altanator

your hella dummmmmmmm get a cheap slow car. the kid will still drive fast let the kid get a vr4 its alot safer then a cheap ass civic or neon.

It took me a good 20 minutes to figure out what this guy was trying to say.

And how does he figure that intake, headers, and exhaust are going to get an SL to 275hp lol.

Anyway, I would STRONGLY advise anyone getting a first car to get something safe and slow. I know it sounds boring and you aren't going to like it, but if you want your dad to pay for your insurance for more than a week, you should not be getting a VR4.

My first car was a Chevy Camaro V6. Safe? Yep. Slow? Most def lol. But it was a great looking car, had t-tops, and I put a kickin system in it. It was the perfect first car in my opinion.

I am now almost 20 and am looking at getting something a little quicker. Why do I recommend waiting to get the faster car, as I did? Because you need to gain the maturity to make judicious, safe decisions. I don't care if you're a preacher's son whose mother teaches safe driving classes, if you want a fast car, you are going to want to drive it fast at times, and this (even if done at the right place and time) is extremely dangerous, particularly for someone with less than a year's driving experience.

Now that I am more mature, and have avoided ever getting a ticket or being in an accident, why am I getting a turbo eclipse?
1) They are less expensive to repair and mod than a VR4 (ever spent the same price as you bought the car for to replace two turbos?!)
2) I want that extra power to blast down an entrance ramp, or pass on the interstate, or take a ricer to school at 4 am on an empty road :iceslolan:
3) I have gained the maturity and control to make safe driving decisions

Wait to get the rocketship...settle for something that looks like a rocketship, with a hamster running inside first!

understood, but if 85% says he is gonna get into a wreck then its not a good idea. i'm not saying that everyone under age is gonna wreck no matter what, but most likely they are, and most people(like 90%) don't have enough experience at 16 or 17. there's always exeptions but if the worst is leaning toward injury big time, then i say no, cause MOST LIKELY something bad will happen

Oh, definetely, i agree 100% with that.

I still think i'm going to get a VR-4...i found a great deal on one yesterday and i'm going to call the guy today.I have the money for it.I have the money for the insurance (cuz of my dad) and i really have thinked about it alot...i know i can take it.Trust me...320 hp is about of power and i know that.But this is something i want and i know i can handle.I wont really mod it up till 2 or more year.I will put suspension, intake, exhaust and new fuel system on it after the first 3 or 4 months.But i wont make it an 11 sec car till i'm older.Thanks for all your help and warnings.

I don't think you understand how much power 320hp is. The car is already a high 13 / very low 14 time slip. What i don't think you understand either is what we (or at least myself) mean by "controlling the car". Anybody can control practically any (not all) car if it was driven under a completely normal condition and situation. The type of situations i think about are during heavy snow, iced over roads, view preventing storms, avoidence of near collisions, correcting oneself from oversteer/understeer, and others like these. Granted the VR-4 is all wheel drive, and will not go into oversteer or understeer that easily, but i've seen these damned things slide before, and when this happens, the AWD won't help you stop the car.

There's a video somewhere around here of a VR-4 doing donuts. If you ever find it or have saw it... imagine what would happen if a pole were to "magically appear out of nowhere" or if the tires were to "magically catch and grip the road". Then imagine how the hell your going to deal with that.

Say your situation doesn't deal with accidents at all. Say your racing someone. A 14 second car generally, if going as fast as possible, will reach 100 to 110 mph at that 14 second mark.(These figures definitely aren't fact, but are pretty close) If a cop clocks you at that time, considering your probably gonna be racing longer than 14 seconds, you'll be charged with wreckless driving, have a suspension for about 1 year, and have a fine exceeding 100 bucks... if your over 18. Since your a minor, your fate probably wouldn't be as fortunate. Either way, without a license, sure you can drive, but if you get pulled over for even a license plate light, and they ask for your license, you'll end up being arrested for DUS (at least it's how it is in Ohio)

I just realized how long my post is now... but anyways, the reason i, and others here stress the importance of this is because this car you think you can handle can determine how you run your life. If your absolutely positive you can handle the situations you may encounter, and you do handle them, than that's awesome, and i give you huge props, but the question i really don't wanna see answered is, what if you don't?

It took me a good 20 minutes to figure out what this guy was trying to say.

And how does he figure that intake, headers, and exhaust are going to get an SL to 275hp lol.

Anyway, I would STRONGLY advise anyone getting a first car to get something safe and slow. I know it sounds boring and you aren't going to like it, but if you want your dad to pay for your insurance for more than a week, you should not be getting a VR4.

My first car was a Chevy Camaro V6. Safe? Yep. Slow? Most def lol. But it was a great looking car, had t-tops, and I put a kickin system in it. It was the perfect first car in my opinion.

I am now almost 20 and am looking at getting something a little quicker. Why do I recommend waiting to get the faster car, as I did? Because you need to gain the maturity to make judicious, safe decisions. I don't care if you're a preacher's son whose mother teaches safe driving classes, if you want a fast car, you are going to want to drive it fast at times, and this (even if done at the right place and time) is extremely dangerous, particularly for someone with less than a year's driving experience.

Now that I am more mature, and have avoided ever getting a ticket or being in an accident, why am I getting a turbo eclipse?
1) They are less expensive to repair and mod than a VR4 (ever spent the same price as you bought the car for to replace two turbos?!)
2) I want that extra power to blast down an entrance ramp, or pass on the interstate, or take a ricer to school at 4 am on an empty road :iceslolan:
3) I have gained the maturity and control to make safe driving decisions

Wait to get the rocketship...settle for something that looks like a rocketship, with a hamster running inside first!

your not talking to me becaus you dont know what your talking about been racing for a good 6years and i know what am talking about what do you think your going to get out of a sl with thoughs mods pluse my vr4 take out anthing you got KID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i fucking do not like people that dont know what there saying and yes my vr4 will take out what you have propable you have a civic that cant reach 120mph

I still think i'm going to get a VR-4...i found a great deal on one yesterday and i'm going to call the guy today.I have the money for it.I have the money for the insurance (cuz of my dad) and i really have thinked about it alot...i know i can take it.Trust me...320 hp is about of power and i know that.But this is something i want and i know i can handle.I wont really mod it up till 2 or more year.I will put suspension, intake, exhaust and new fuel system on it after the first 3 or 4 months.But i wont make it an 11 sec car till i'm older.Thanks for all your help and warnings.

here why not take it to the track thene get some feel for it then to the streets thats what i did

It took me a good 20 minutes to figure out what this guy was trying to say.

And how does he figure that intake, headers, and exhaust are going to get an SL to 275hp lol.

Anyway, I would STRONGLY advise anyone getting a first car to get something safe and slow. I know it sounds boring and you aren't going to like it, but if you want your dad to pay for your insurance for more than a week, you should not be getting a VR4.

My first car was a Chevy Camaro V6. Safe? Yep. Slow? Most def lol. But it was a great looking car, had t-tops, and I put a kickin system in it. It was the perfect first car in my opinion.

I am now almost 20 and am looking at getting something a little quicker. Why do I recommend waiting to get the faster car, as I did? Because you need to gain the maturity to make judicious, safe decisions. I don't care if you're a preacher's son whose mother teaches safe driving classes, if you want a fast car, you are going to want to drive it fast at times, and this (even if done at the right place and time) is extremely dangerous, particularly for someone with less than a year's driving experience.

Now that I am more mature, and have avoided ever getting a ticket or being in an accident, why am I getting a turbo eclipse?
1) They are less expensive to repair and mod than a VR4 (ever spent the same price as you bought the car for to replace two turbos?!)
2) I want that extra power to blast down an entrance ramp, or pass on the interstate, or take a ricer to school at 4 am on an empty road :iceslolan:
3) I have gained the maturity and control to make safe driving decisions

Wait to get the rocketship...settle for something that looks like a rocketship, with a hamster running inside first!

a chevy camaro v6 real safe a vr4 is much more safe then that? thuogh i do wounder what year

your not talking to me becaus you dont know what your talking about been racing for a good 6years and i know what am talking about what do you think your going to get out of a sl with thoughs mods pluse my vr4 take out anthing you got KID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i fucking do not like people that dont know what there saying and yes my vr4 will take out what you have propable you have a civic that cant reach 120mph

Dude, calm down. Don't get so uptight and vulgar, just calm down. Comments like that are not appericated and are pointless. Don't get mad and highjack the thread. Just calm down, this thread is about this kid and what we think of him wanting to buy and mod a VR-4; if we think it's a good idea...etc. Don't flip out and get all mad, there's no need for that.

yourmama456 u r such a noob... why do u flame at others for no reason... go read the forum rules before u type any shit... if u continue.. all i can say is u r not too far from being banned :wave:

yourmama456, no disrespect was intended in my post, but the addition of punctuation might make your posts somewhat easier to understand...and I think the VR4 and Camaro are probably on equal ground in terms of safety. The VR4 weighs a couple hundred pounds more, in large part because of the four wheel drive, but it also has a much smaller cabin than a 94 Camaro. In any case, the reason I was saying the Camaro was safer was not because of its crash test ratings, but because it does not have over 300hp to put it into a tree/house/lake/other hazard. I'm just saying that it is a lot easier to kill yourself in a car with almost twice as much horsepower than another. And honestly, why not just drive a little slower car for a year or two to get your driving skills and decision making solidified? After all, how many high school girls really know or care what's under the hood lol?

So dont get the VR-4 for like 2 years or so?What about an SL or GST?What mods can i do with an SL?I dont know a thing about NA engine.

Lol, this is gonna sound really confusing, but here it goes.

Get what you want. Though i try to discourage your decision, i don't want to make the decision for you. What ever you decide to get should be your decision for the most part. I'd say look for something your happy with, that you won't question yourself about things when you buy it. Remember, a car should be measured on more than just performance.

BTW, NA means Naturally Aspirated, no Turbochargers or Supercharger on the engine.

I'm not trying to fight with you all...but i dont think i'll be happy with anything of then a turbo'd car.And i love the looks of a VR-4 more then anything.I was also thinking about a 90-96 300zx tt (twin turbo).But for the same price i can get a 3000GT and the car i want.Or the prices i found i could.

Yea...i know what NA means...but i my question was, what mods can you do to give a NA enigne more hp with out turbocharging it?I know you can put a higher compression ratio and/or stroke the engine.But what more it there besides intake, exhaust and fuel system?

You all wont kill me or get mad at me if i get a VR-4 will you?

Dude, calm down. Don't get so uptight and vulgar, just calm down. Comments like that are not appericated and are pointless. Don't get mad and highjack the thread. Just calm down, this thread is about this kid and what we think of him wanting to buy and mod a VR-4; if we think it's a good idea...etc. Don't flip out and get all mad, there's no need for that.

your right i was just saying that the kid should get the sl dont whant to get people mad i just dont like people that have no idea what a sl can push with thoughs mod whan i have had the car for 5 years

I'm not trying to fight with you all...but i dont think i'll be happy with anything of then a turbo'd car.And i love the looks of a VR-4 more then anything.I was also thinking about a 90-96 300zx tt (twin turbo).But for the same price i can get a 3000GT and the car i want.Or the prices i found i could.

Yea...i know what NA means...but i my question was, what mods can you do to give a NA enigne more hp with out turbocharging it?I know you can put a higher compression ratio and/or stroke the engine.But what more it there besides intake, exhaust and fuel system?

You all wont kill me or get mad at me if i get a VR-4 will you?


It depends on what you whant to do with the car, freeway or drag!!
if you drag go with the turbo but freeway you whant to go with the superchare cars

yourmama456, no disrespect was intended in my post, but the addition of punctuation might make your posts somewhat easier to understand...and I think the VR4 and Camaro are probably on equal ground in terms of safety. The VR4 weighs a couple hundred pounds more, in large part because of the four wheel drive, but it also has a much smaller cabin than a 94 Camaro. In any case, the reason I was saying the Camaro was safer was not because of its crash test ratings, but because it does not have over 300hp to put it into a tree/house/lake/other hazard. I'm just saying that it is a lot easier to kill yourself in a car with almost twice as much horsepower than another. And honestly, why not just drive a little slower car for a year or two to get your driving skills and decision making solidified? After all, how many high school girls really know or care what's under the hood lol?

sorry about what i siad anyways like i side i have an 3000gt sl good car that is reliable and fast plus i got an allweel drive put into it and a 300zx but it is got intake problems 82k on it emile me at [email protected] if your intrested

I personally hate superchargers. I don't like the fact the boost is almost always on (more wear and tear), I don't like the parasitic losses that result from belt driver FI like a supercharger. I perfer turbo's, using waste (exhuast gases) to generate power. Yes, with bigger turbos there can be turbo lag, but I'll gladly take that over a blower. Less wear in tear in that sense too, plus a good turbo is more efficent and doesn't suffer the parasictic hp losses a supercharger does. I've always perfer'd turbos over superchargers, and I always will. Thats my 2 cents.

I personally hate superchargers. I don't like the fact the boost is almost always on (more wear and tear), I don't like the parasitic losses that result from belt driver FI like a supercharger. I perfer turbo's, using waste (exhuast gases) to generate power. Yes, with bigger turbos there can be turbo lag, but I'll gladly take that over a blower. Less wear in tear in that sense too, plus a good turbo is more efficent and doesn't suffer the parasictic hp losses a supercharger does. I've always perfer'd turbos over superchargers, and I always will. Thats my 2 cents.

your right, but in a race on the freeway you go with the supercharge car, the turbos on a car dont work on that amount of speed the supercharged cars will allways win after 100+++++++++ :feedback:

your right, but in a race on the freeway you go with the supercharge car, the turbos on a car dont work on that amount of speed the supercharged cars will allways win after 100+++++++++ :feedback:

I am not trying to be rude...but it's just a dumb idea to street race, and racing on a freeway is street racing. Street racing not only endangers yourself, but others as well. I think it falls under the catagory of having the maturity before you own a powerful car. An example is having the maturity to not go and punch it every time you are rev'd on. That's a quick way to accidents and tickets. That being said, downshifting to raise the rpm's will solve the lag issue pretty quickly (if it's present) to a certain degree. The cuirsing rpm's may be high enough with a smaller turbo to elimiate lag. It most likely won't take that long to get up into the band. Plus you can get more power and boost out of a turbo. Also, if the car has a centifigul supercharger, it tends to create power at the top of the band (it bascially shifts the power band to the right). I'll still take a turbo, and a good driver will be able to maniplulate the gears shifting to keep the car in the proper rpm range for the turbo. Either way, keep it at the track and keep it off the streets. I deplore street racing, even if it is "on the freeway" or "off a stoplight." It's all just a bad idea. It's not worth endangering your own life, let alone the lives of the innocent drivers around you. If someone doesn't have the maturity to not street race and not gun it to show power every time they are rev'd on, they don't have the maturity to own a powerful car like a vette or vr-4, IMO. It's all about the maturity and self-control of the driver.

I am not trying to be rude...but it's just a dumb idea to street race, and racing on a freeway is street racing. Street racing not only endangers yourself, but others as well. I think it falls under the catagory of having the maturity before you own a powerful car. An example is having the maturity to not go and punch it every time you are rev'd on. That's a quick way to accidents and tickets. That being said, downshifting to raise the rpm's will solve the lag issue pretty quickly (if it's present) to a certain degree. The cuirsing rpm's may be high enough with a smaller turbo to elimiate lag. It most likely won't take that long to get up into the band. Plus you can get more power and boost out of a turbo. Also, if the car has a centifigul supercharger, it tends to create power at the top of the band (it bascially shifts the power band to the right). I'll still take a turbo, and a good driver will be able to maniplulate the gears shifting to keep the car in the proper rpm range for the turbo. Either way, keep it at the track and keep it off the streets. I deplore street racing, even if it is "on the freeway" or "off a stoplight." It's all just a bad idea. It's not worth endangering your own life, let alone the lives of the innocent drivers around you. If someone doesn't have the maturity to not street race and not gun it to show power every time they are rev'd on, they don't have the maturity to own a powerful car like a vette or vr-4, IMO. It's all about the maturity and self-control of the driver.

good point. am not into street racing but sometimes when dum ass high school kids try to race me am not just going to flip them the bird ill race them. and i do like to have fun and i been doing it for a long time.

good point. am not into street racing but sometimes when dum ass high school kids try to race me am not just going to flip them the bird ill race them. and i do like to have fun and i been doing it for a long time.

Well, to each their own I guess. I'd let them rev and race off looking like a fool. I know what my car can do. Whether they have the better car or I do doesn't matter to me in this settig. It's better to just let em rev, ignore them and let them take off than race them and cause a wreck or get a ticket. It only takes one screw up to really mess things up.

:iagree: i do not like tickets or jail

You all wont kill me or get mad at me if i get a VR-4 will you?

Of course not. I just think (as I posted some time ago) that in general, a VR4 is to much of a car to be someones first.