96-97 stang gt kill

older stang pulls up to me at a light... he has about 3 people in it. we are getting ready for the signal to turn (both of the lanes turn into the hiway onramp, then lanes turns into one lane). i notice he has gt emblems.

he looks over.... inches ahead. i, in turn, inch forward. he inches. i inch. he inches more. i inch ahead more. and so it goes on for about 1.5 minutes.

the girls he had in there are laughing there asses off.... im just smiling.

light turns. we both inch ahead, and then at about 25mph i see him gun it. im in 2nd... i gun it (i rarely initiate races, i just coax them a lil and wait until i see them pullingt). im about a car length behind him because he gunned first.... but no worries. i pull on him. im dead even at about 40mph, then at 55mph im a full car length ahead. shift to third... about 80mph im 3-4 car lengths ahead.

about 30 sec later he pulls next to me... and the girls' faces were almost priceless (--wtf?)

whatcha drivin mark?

his maxima? :dunno:

i don't know..
i haven't talked to him in a while, he's been through 3 cars in the year i've known him..
so i wasn't sure what was in his driveway..

lol those priceless looks are the best :rofl:

Was that a stock GT mustang?
If so that's not to much to brag about. A 97 stang only has 220hp in the engine and about 200 that goes to the rear wheels. I've seen lots of GT's get smoked.

Was that a stock GT mustang?
If so that's not to much to brag about. A 97 stang only has 220hp in the engine and about 200 that goes to the rear wheels. I've seen lots of GT's get smoked.



215hp @ 4400 rpm
285tq @ 3500 rpm


It'll put down about 180-185hp to the wheels.

yea, the max. all my other cars are gone. this one's here to stay... (for a while)

my numbers: 190hp, 215tq at crank



once the ypipe/ex/ss go in, im going to challenge some 01/02's and some modded 5.0's. i should be able to take them. i weigh a hell lot less and should be putting out 210hp+.




Was that a stock GT mustang?
If so that's not to much to brag about. A 97 stang only has 220hp in the engine and about 200 that goes to the rear wheels. I've seen lots of GT's get smoked.
:newbie:

:lol2:

right now im completely into 4d sedan's vs. sports cars. puts a smile on my face i cant even explain.

once the ypipe/ex/ss go in, im going to challenge some 01/02's and some modded 5.0's. i should be able to take them. i weigh a hell lot less and should be putting out 210hp+.




You don't weigh that much less...

1995 Nissan Maxima GXE
3.0L V6
Hp: 190
Tq: 205
Weight: 3001lbs
0-60: 6.9
1/4: 14.9 @ 93mph

1995 Ford Mustang GT
5.0L V8
Hp: 225
Tq: 285
Weight: 3280lbs
0-60: 6.5
1/4: 15.1 @ 92mph

1997 Ford Mustang GT
4.6L V8
Hp: 225
Tq: 285
Weight: 3288lbs
0-60: 6.6
1/4: 15.1 @ 92mph

1995 Ford Taurus SHO
3.0L V6
Hp: 220
Tq: 200
Weight: 3118lbs
0-60: 7.7
1/4: 15.8

1995 Chevy Camaro Z28
5.7L V8
Hp: 285
Tq: 325
Weight: 3466lbs
0-60: 5.5
1/4: 14.1 @ 101mph

1992 Nissan Sentra SE-R (Carrrnuttt's stock)
2.0L I4
Hp: 140
tq: 132
Weight: 2414lbs
0-60: 7.4 (6.7)
1/4: 15.8 @ 87mph (15.0 @ 95mph)

1972 Datsun 240z (My car)
2.4L I6
Hp: 150
Tq: 140
Weight: 2232lbs
0-60: 9.0 (ew)
1/4: 16.3 (pathetic)


You're not exactly light. But you're one of the lightest ones. Compared to other four door sedans you're the lightest with the Honda Accord EX V6 at 3285lbs and the Toyota Camry XLE at 2932lbs. You've got the most power of your class and almost the lightest.

Your car has potiential, but don't go thinking you can pick on all the Mustangs. Remember, not all Mustangs are stock. Around here the ratio is like for every 10 Mustangs I see, 7 are modded in some form.

And deffinately keep your guard up against Chevy's answer to the Mustang. The Camaro, obviously you can catch him off guard... but if see's you coming be ready for a fight.

Not sure why I included the SE-R and the 240z... guess I was bored. Whatevers Dogg!

1972 Datsun 240z (My car)
2.4L I6
Hp: 150
Tq: 140
Weight: 2232lbs
0-60: 9.0 (ew)
1/4: 16.3 (pathetic)



Good lord! :eek:

Good lord! :eek:



I know, you'd think a car so light with it's performance 'stats' stock would run better. Those stats where when it was new too!

The gearing on the cars really blows stock, I've got slightly steeper gears but I can vouch for it not being much faster than 'stock'. And it is 32 years old... so it's not as peppy as it once was.

One day it'll kick some ass, but not now.

1995 Nissan Maxima GXE
3.0L V6
Hp: 190
Tq: 205
Weight: 3001lbs
0-60: 6.9
1/4: 14.9 @ 93mph

1995 Ford Mustang GT
5.0L V8
Hp: 225
Tq: 285
Weight: 3280lbs
0-60: 6.5
1/4: 15.1 @ 92mph

1997 Ford Mustang GT
4.6L V8
Hp: 225
Tq: 285
Weight: 3288lbs
0-60: 6.6
1/4: 15.1 @ 92mph

1995 Ford Taurus SHO
3.0L V6
Hp: 220
Tq: 200
Weight: 3118lbs
0-60: 7.7
1/4: 15.8

1995 Chevy Camaro Z28
5.7L V8
Hp: 285
Tq: 325
Weight: 3466lbs
0-60: 5.5
1/4: 14.1 @ 101mph

1992 Nissan Sentra SE-R (Carrrnuttt's stock)
2.0L I4
Hp: 140
tq: 132
Weight: 2414lbs
0-60: 7.4 (6.7)
1/4: 15.8 @ 87mph (15.0 @ 95mph)

1972 Datsun 240z (My car)
2.4L I6
Hp: 150
Tq: 140
Weight: 2232lbs
0-60: 9.0 (ew)
1/4: 16.3 (pathetic)


the only one that worries me is the z28. i would NOT mess with one of those... unless i get an upgraded ecu and mevi (middle eastern variable intake manifold), which i highly doubt i'll do, unless my intake manifold blows for some reason.

3000 lbs for a family sedan is very light... i think the new maxima weigh something like 3600 lbs. plus ill be about 2900 lbs after i remove spare, install ypipe, lighter battery and lightweight exhaust. all my mods will be done friday, i can't wait. plus i think the shortshifter will really add a nice drop to my times.

i dont plan on going beyond a 14.5, but that should be enough to take out some gt's and 5.0s with intakes and exhausts. cleveland is a really heavy mustang gt town, but a lot of old people and women own them. about 5/10 stang gt's owned by 20yr olds or less are modded here, and they are very fast (mid/low 12s).


besides the se-r im the only fwd in that list... its great in the heavy snow we have up here (hence the pic in my sig. 5"...) :smokin:


where do you get your car stats redneck? best site i've found so far is www.car-stats.com

i had a 4th gen maxima prior my 2k2. that weight of 3001 isn't set in stone. depending on your options you could go higher or lower. on my registration the weight of my 95 5 speed max was 2895lbs. w/seats.
i had a stillen cat-back,Budget y pipe and weapon-r intake on it. when you get your y pipe make absolutely sure your mid pipe has a resonator. my car sounded god awful at full throttle and when it idled it sounds like a helicopter was overhead. very nice car though. one of the biggest regrets I have is letting go of my obd-1 5sdp max for $3K. i've been kicking myself ever since, even with the new max.

also, i have an unused budget y pipe for sale if you're looking.

besides the se-r im the only fwd in that list... its great in the heavy snow we have up here (hence the pic in my sig. 5"...) :smokin:


where do you get your car stats redneck? best site i've found so far is www.car-stats.com



Don't forget the Taurus SHO, it's FWD as well.


I get the stats from various websites.
www.car-stats.com (http://www.car-stats.com)
www.edmunds.com (http://www.edmunds.com)
www.musclecarclub.com (http://www.musclecarclub.com)
www.missouri.edu (http://www.missouri.edu/~apcb20/times.html#Chevrolet)
www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

i had a 4th gen maxima prior my 2k2. that weight of 3001 isn't set in stone. depending on your options you could go higher or lower. on my registration the weight of my 95 5 speed max was 2895lbs. w/seats.
i had a stillen cat-back,Budget y pipe and weapon-r intake on it. when you get your y pipe make absolutely sure your mid pipe has a resonator. my car sounded god awful at full throttle and when it idled it sounds like a helicopter was overhead. very nice car though. one of the biggest regrets I have is letting go of my obd-1 5sdp max for $3K. i've been kicking myself ever since, even with the new max.

also, i have an unused budget y pipe for sale if you're looking.
yea my bpipe has a resonator, i was going to not get one then my gut feeling was to have one, so i got it (especially with my straight-through magnaflow). i already ordered a warpspeed, its coming wednesday, thanks for the offer though.

im not letting this max go that easily. i love it.

i bet mine weighs around your 2895 then... mine is with no special options and is a base model gxe. those are the lightest. thanks for letting me know. ill report back with a vid or two when i have my max running with the exhaust

Forgive me if I'm wrong, Redneck, but isn't the power in your Z measured in gross hp instead of net hp? I'm not sure what the conversion is, or even the real difference between the two, but I know gross is higher than net. That might explain some of your descrepincies.

Carstats reports 9.7 and 17 for my miata, but I'm pretty sure that's with a loaded automatic. The 91 does a 16.7, and that's with 12 less hp, 10 less lb/ft of torque, and not a huge difference in weight. I'm guessing mine will do a 16.5 or so stock. Still pathetic, but I'm saving up for a JRSC...

Forgive me if I'm wrong, Redneck, but isn't the power in your Z measured in gross hp instead of net hp? I'm not sure what the conversion is, or even the real difference between the two, but I know gross is higher than net. That might explain some of your descrepincies.

Carstats reports 9.7 and 17 for my miata, but I'm pretty sure that's with a loaded automatic. The 91 does a 16.7, and that's with 12 less hp, 10 less lb/ft of torque, and not a huge difference in weight. I'm guessing mine will do a 16.5 or so stock. Still pathetic, but I'm saving up for a JRSC...

My car is measured in SAE Net horsepower at 150hp @ 6000rpm. I kinda find that hard to believe cause the car falls flat on its face around 5000-5500rpm. After you hit peak torque around 4000-4500rpm there isn't much left. It's just plain weak... handles great but can't haul ass for beans.

The '71 240z was rated at 150hp as well, but in SAE Gross Hp, and it's got the same performance stats.

Here, I'll let this quote from Muslcecarclub.com explain it.


Types of Horsepower


There are three basic types of horsepower, SAE Gross Horsepower, SAE Net Horsepower, and Wheel Horsepower. Each is the result of measuring the same engine in different ways. These standards were established by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE). The SAE is a group responsible for setting various standards within the automobile manufacturing industry. Founded in 1905, the SAE publishes many new, revised, and reaffirmed standards each year in three categories: Ground Vehicle Standards, Aerospace Standards, and Aerospace Material Specifications. Standards allow entire countries to talk to each other in a common language.

SAE Gross Horsepower or Brake horsepower (bhp) was the standard horsepower measurement by the automotive industry up until 1971. Brake Horsepower Power is measured at the flywheel with no load from a chassis or any accessories and with fuel and ignition operations under ideal conditions. An accessory is anything attached to the engine, by any means, which is not required for basic engine operation. By this definition, this would include a power steering pump, smog pump, air conditioning compressor and an alternator. Ideal conditions, often called laboratory conditions, are standardized settings for use during horsepower measurement. During the 1960s they consisted of a barometric pressure of 29.92 Hg and a temperature of 60 degrees F.

SAE Net Horsepower became the standard measurement in 1972, and is still used today. SAE Net horsepower is the horsepower generated by the engine at the flywheel with all accessories attached. This change was made to reflect the numerous energy sapping accessories that cars began to have, such as an A/C Compressor and alternator, and thus was a better representation of the actual power generated by the engine. This number is always lower than the SAE Gross horsepower. Therefore, the same engine could have been rated in 1971 as 360 SAE Gross Horsepower and in 1972 as 300 SAE Net horsepower without any reduction in "power."

Wheel horsepower is horsepower measured at the actual drive wheels, taking into account the load from the chassis and all accessories. It is the most accurate measure of the amount of energy that the car actually generates to move it forward. Wheel horsepower is measured using a dynamometer. This is done by placing the vehicle's driven wheels on a large roller and accelerating the wheels up to redline in first or second gear. The vehicle's ability to turn this roller is measured and calculated (formula below) to come up with a figure that represents how much horsepower is actually available to move the vehicle around. Because a frictional loss between the engine and the driven wheels is unavoidable, wheel-driven horsepower will always be less than SAE Net Horsepower. How much less wheel-driven horsepower will depend on how many mechanical parts exist between a vehicle's engine and its driven wheels. This is usually measured as a percentage loss due to the "friction" of the intermediate components between the flywheel and the actual wheel. For a Rear Wheel Drive car, engine power has to travel through a transmission, driveshaft, rear-differential, and two axle shafts (one for each rear wheel). That's four separate mechanical components taking a bite out of the car's horsepower before the rear wheels even begin to turn. Front-wheel drive cars with transverse-mounted engines usually have a lower frictional loss because horsepower only has to travel from the engine, through the transmission and down two short driveshafts before reaching the wheels. Typical "powertrain" losses run between 15-22% but vary greatly between cars.