Z28 vs. Eclipse GSX vs. GST

Okay, I'm looking into some performance cars here...just sold my '94 Camaro V6 auto, and I'm trying to get something a bit quicker and in manual. Considering these three cars are about the same price for ones with comparable mileage (+/- $1k), which would win in the 1/4 mile after basic mods (intake, headers, exhaust)? I also need something that is going to be a reliable daily driver...your thoughts on that with these vehicles?

LOL, your loking at 3 different cars with 3 different drivetrains. But anyway both of those Eclipses (to my knowledge), use te same turbocharged engine, but the GSX is AWD. But anyhow, they are no match for a z28. My probe beat a GT-S, and barely lost to a GSX, and I got murdered by a Z. Hope that helps.

a Z will be any of those cars if they all had the same mods. Z has fastests stock time same mods Z still wins. the thing you have to remember is the difference between an eclipse and a camaro. obvious things like fwd vs rwd. lighter car vs torque up the ass. Decide what you want in that aspect. they are similiar in times but other then that your looking at two completely different cars. In the end you have to decide for yourself dont listen to other people.

Yea, I do realize that I'm lookin at a RWD, a FWD, and an AWD, but they each have their advantages and disadvantages...well...maybe the FWD doesn't really have any advantages lol. But I've heard of 60 ft. times sub-2 sec. in the GSX, like 1.8's. Very few Z28's could post this kind of time. But I suspect they would make it up quickly. Anyway, how reliable are Z28's, because they have 4 more cylinders to blow seals, crack pistons, other hassles!

joe mathews, i by no means lean toward one side or the other when it comes to import and muscle, but stock a Z28 will kill a eclipse. now there is a diff between intake and a boost controler, if you buy a boost controler you can gain an instant 40 hp add intake and headers and exhaust and you will be in mid 13's maybe low 13's, but you would need to buy a super afc fuel controller also. boost controllers don't cos anything. but same thing to the Z28(headers intake and exhaust) and you will also be in the low 13's. as the Z28 runs about 14.0 stock and eclipse run 15.1

basically a boost controller wich cost nothing but 20 bucks can put you at the same speed as a Z28. but stock for stock

hehehe......... muscle!

It's not hard to post that time at all with good rubber in a V8 F-body. Keep in mind that launching with AWD is press and go, while it takes talent to launch a RWD car without spin, and do it well. Also, any car is as reliable as you treat it. If you bang the gears every weekend launching down the track, I don't care if you have a GSX or a Z28, you're gonna have problems.

no question that the Z28 beats both the Eclipses here. its not even debatable lol. if you modded the eclipse relatively heavily to a stock Z28 it would be a bit closer but i assume you mean stock so definately the Z28 and its american muscle. well im here i guess i should say sorry about losing the Camaro/Firebird they were great cars

I like the Camaro Z28, mostly because the eclipse being a japanese car and because I like american cars. Z28 rules

no question that the Z28 beats both the Eclipses here. its not even debatable lol. if you modded the eclipse relatively heavily to a stock Z28 it would be a bit closer but i assume you mean stock so definately the Z28 and its american muscle. well im here i guess i should say sorry about losing the Camaro/Firebird they were great cars

eclipse doesn't need much to run with a Z28, just a boost controller and they run 14.1-13.9. thats not heavily modded at all. simply because a boost controller ads an instant 40hp by boosting up the psi by 4

eclipse doesn't need much to run with a Z28, just a boost controller and they run 14.1-13.9. thats not heavily modded at all. simply because a boost controller ads an instant 40hp by boosting up the psi by 4

hey bro, no offense but i've seen plenty of stock ls1's running mid 13's on the track, the difference between 13.9 and 13.5 is hardly what i call "running with"

My car just had the LM exhaust on it when it ran a 13.575 :), and that was a year and a half ago. It would be interesting to see what I'd run now...

I wasn't talkin about running a GST or GSX against an SS lol. But check out 95gsxracer's car...I believe he's spent about 1700 on mods, and is running high 11's in his GSX--at almost 400whp. I'd like to see a camaro with $1700 worth of mods post that kind of time...

Seems you've got your mind made up already... And 11's with only 1700 beans? B.S. You'd like to see a camaro with $1700 worth a mods post... You can't, cause your GSXRC3PO would be 5 BUS lengthes behind in the 1/4. IMPORTS CAN'T HANG IN THE QUARTER! I'm tired of people saying Well, my 400 hp "insert import here" just beat a stang or maro. If they were stock, I hope you did. Imports are just not on the same level as "we" are when it comes to straight line speed. The manufactures' never claimed to be. At a closed circuit track, sure a lot of imports can dust off pony cars. But don't ever compare the two in the 1/4 mile. Get the Z28!

no offense and i love camaros to but your living in a dream world if you think camaro will never get beaten by imports. it does happen. they are far from stock with lots of time and money but it happens. i still say get the Z

Never said an import couldn't bet a Z. Read my post again. If you have 400 hp car, then you should spank a 260 or 320 hp car. I've seen imports beat maro's, stangs, and birds. But if one those domestic owners got serious, and put 10 grand underneath the hood, then it's not even a contest. The Supra, RX-7 and 3000VR4 owners are the pony cars true comp. when it comes to straight line speed, not an integra.

I wasn't talkin about running a GST or GSX against an SS lol. But check out 95gsxracer's car...I believe he's spent about 1700 on mods, and is running high 11's in his GSX--at almost 400whp. I'd like to see a camaro with $1700 worth of mods post that kind of time...

An SS is just a slight step above the Z28 in performance, if at all. The styling is the biggest statement between the two. Same engine, just different exhaust, intake, and suspension at the most. All depends on what was ordered in Y2Y options...

It's really not that big of an accomplishment to mod with that little money when it comes from the factory with forced induction. Are you going to sit here and try and convince me that a car coming from the factory with a supercharger or a turbocharger, and a warranty, doesn't have a leg up on the competition? Please. When you've got a boost like that, no pun intended, common sense tells us that it'll only take a small sum of change to get past the factory restrictions on whichever car and open it up. Huge feat there... :banghead: . I love how it takes FI on cars like the Mustang and the Evo VIII to compete...

SVT motto: We can't beat their's, so we'll supercharge ours...

That said, I know my SS isn't biggest fish in the sea, there's always someone bigger. Spare me the import vs. domestic crap. It's beaten to death...

It's obvious that your mind is made up, why continue the thread? Get the GSX, forget the FWD, go for the AWD.

first off, id want to see proof of 1700 bucks running 11's, just personal experience, but i have strong doubts about that. not calling you a liar, just find it very hard to believe. but i have to say, it does get kind of annoying on the camaro forum, to keep hearing about modified imports beating up camaros, and therefore camaros arent as bad ass as we think. like ive said before, twin turbo on a 2002 SS, goodnight to any import. ive seen the tapes of the runs. its friggin rediculous. not sure how much a twin turbo setup on a camaro would cost, but i think it would be a pretty bad ass performance to cost modification.

Yea, I do realize that I'm lookin at a RWD, a FWD, and an AWD, but they each have their advantages and disadvantages...well...maybe the FWD doesn't really have any advantages lol. But I've heard of 60 ft. times sub-2 sec. in the GSX, like 1.8's. Very few Z28's could post this kind of time. But I suspect they would make it up quickly. Anyway, how reliable are Z28's, because they have 4 more cylinders to blow seals, crack pistons, other hassles!


If you went with an auto LT1 Z28 and put in a 3000 stall (~$350) and DR's (~$300) you could pull 1.8's or better all day... and be running mid/high 13's. If you went with an auto LS1 Z28 and did the same mods, you'd pull roughly the same 60's and probably run around a 13 flat or better...

sure you can boost the ass out of those 4 bangers, but if reliability is a concern, n/a is 10 times as reliable as a highly boosted car...

first off, id want to see proof of 1700 bucks running 11's, just personal experience, but i have strong doubts about that. not calling you a liar, just find it very hard to believe. but i have to say, it does get kind of annoying on the camaro forum, to keep hearing about modified imports beating up camaros, and therefore camaros arent as bad ass as we think. like ive said before, twin turbo on a 2002 SS, goodnight to any import. ive seen the tapes of the runs. its friggin rediculous. not sure how much a twin turbo setup on a camaro would cost, but i think it would be a pretty bad ass performance to cost modification.

11.81@1k worth of modds :icon16:

But I got some kick butt deals on most of my speed parts. all of my stuff added up with out discounts or specials = about 1900. I find it hard to beleive as well. Turbo DSM parts are more expensive than a turbo buick so I'm going to go with 89IROC on this.

sure you can boost the ass out of those 4 bangers, but if reliability is a concern, n/a is 10 times as reliable as a highly boosted car...


awww comeon you just gotta know what you are doing. Can't be someone that tries to run 24 PSI on pump gas.

as much as i love my camaro, AWD is pretty badass. ive seen those gsx's run with little done to em and they are not that fast. im sure if you put serious loot into em they would be cool. the only reason id get is for the drivetrain, cant beat AWD...

well actually he's only about 300 dollars off, for 2 grand yes he can run 11's turbo uprade and a boost controller and a fuel controler. and there you go 11's, on stock turbo's with 1700 you can get into the mid 12's but to go any farther from what i know you need a turbo upgrade. and why talk about they need turbo's, its stock form the factory with turbo's just like your car is stock from the factory with a V8, now what if a guy with an eclipse says they have v8's if i had a v8 with my turbo i'd kill those guys :screwy: we should just leave it at stock talk :)

Sure, the kid might be runnin 11's with $1,700, but what he forgets to mention is that he had to remove is back seat, passenger seat, carpet, interior, spare, jack, power everything, ABS, etc, etc, etc...

Who ta hell wants to tub out a street car just so they can say it's that fast. If speed was my only concern, I'd have a gixxer 1000. DSM's are quick cars, but they are just plain ugly...

well actually he's only about 300 dollars off, for 2 grand yes he can run 11's turbo uprade and a boost controller and a fuel controler. and there you go 11's, on stock turbo's with 1700 you can get into the mid 12's but to go any farther from what i know you need a turbo upgrade. and why talk about they need turbo's, its stock form the factory with turbo's just like your car is stock from the factory with a V8, now what if a guy with an eclipse says they have v8's if i had a v8 with my turbo i'd kill those guys :screwy: we should just leave it at stock talk :)


Its going to take a little more than a boost controller and a fuel controller to run 11's. Maybe if you strip the whole damn car down to nothing. but like Red hot z said. Who wants to drive around in a metal bucket all the time. How do you do a turbocarger upgrade with stock a stock.

Sorry but just to throw my 2 cents in, I don't care if a GSX or any turbo Import is faster than my car, I think more people respect the sound of a American V8 and as for AWD. I love chirping my tire going from second to third, And that Torque crunch you feel when you hit the pedal in a V8 that's for me, I've raced a Nissan 300 ZX Twin Turbo with NOS that spanked the hell out of my 96 Formula LT1 with Borla exhaust, Ram air ,roller rocker's Accel Ignition, Accel coil, and 3.73 rear but I still would never want one, I respect the car but wouldn't trade mine in a second, Eclipse's have benefits that the F-body's don't but dollar for dollar I think your going to get more out of a F-body V8 than a Eclipse and I almost bought one about 2 years ago so I even like those cars

4G63T (GSX/T engine) and youll be doin the "crank walk" then you'll be :owned: lol

Its going to take a little more than a boost controller and a fuel controller to run 11's. Maybe if you strip the whole damn car down to nothing. but like Red hot z said. Who wants to drive around in a metal bucket all the time. How do you do a turbocarger upgrade with stock a stock.

i didn't just say b/c and fuel controller i also mentioned a turbo upgrade if you read it again, not tryna sound like a ass :smile: but with those three alone and a good driver you can jump into the 11's without stripping the car, i've seen a guy in gsx that ran like a 12.8 average with just a turbo upgrade and no supporting mods, no exhaust no intake no b/c just a bov, don't remember the name of the turbo but, anyhow i like both cars, if i had to choose (which i do) i would go for the camaro, though i love the sound of a turbo followed by a bov, i also love the sound of muscle and in my sitiuation i chose the american muscle

its a as easy as one question. What do you want import or domestic? everyone will never agree its that simple.

but with those three alone and a good driver you can jump into the 11's without stripping the car, i've seen a guy in gsx that ran like a 12.8 average with just a turbo upgrade and no supporting mods

There is a REALLY REALLY big difference between 12.8 and 11's... The lower you go the harder it is to chip away at those tenths, and after you get into the 12's, they start gettin expensive...

i understand that, but when i say average mean this guy ran a 12.5 if he added on a b/c he can gain a little more than 10hp per psi meaning he can push it to about 75hp with a cold air intake to let the turbs breath and a fuel controller(even though fuel injectors would be a lot smarter), unlike my vr4 they can push psi high without using the superafc or other fuel controllers until high psi, if i even put my psi up by 3 the fuel cut will begin, some eclipses have this problem but most don't,until they get high in psi like i'm saying, i figure 75hp added on to a 12.5 1/4 mile he can dip into the high 11's(with a good driver) i could be wrong but to me that sounds about right.

those 1st gen dsm's have a strong motor its just there tranny and clutch that give em probs.
basically it doesnt take much to upgrade an eclipse, that doesn't mean its better or worse, but any turbo charged car with a strong engine is easily upgradeable, not saying its easier than a marro or stang or anyother car, but its not that hard.

As you increse boost you don't get the same gains per PSI. You get more of a gain going from 20 to 21 PSI than you get from going from 21 to 22 psi.

i didn't jugood driver you can jump into the 11's without stripping the car, i've seen a guy in gsx that ran like a 12.8 average with just a turbo upgrade and no supporting mods, no exhaust no intake no b/c just a bov, don't remember the name of the turbo but, anyhow i like both cars, if i had to choose (which i do) i would go for the camaro, though i love the sound of a turbo followed by a bov, i also love the sound of muscle and in my sitiuation i chose the american musclest say b/c and fuel controller i also mentioned a turbo upgrade if you read it again, not tryna sound like a ass but with those three alone and a


Sorry, I got confused in reading your writing. The line about upgrading the turbo then all of a sudden you said 11's on stock turbos, i got confused.

as much as i love my camaro, AWD is pretty badass. ive seen those gsx's run with little done to em and they are not that fast. im sure if you put serious loot into em they would be cool. the only reason id get is for the drivetrain, cant beat AWD...


If you like AWD bro you need to check out the Holden Coupe 4 thats going to a bad ass toy... 5.7L AWD pushes out 300+ hp.

Imagine putting a turbo on that...man oh man that would just rock.

indeed it would...

If you like AWD bro you need to check out the Holden Coupe 4 thats going to a bad ass toy... 5.7L AWD pushes out 300+ hp.

Imagine putting a turbo on that...man oh man that would just rock.

Send one to me.... Ill get 'er done :naughty:

hey man don't know if youve already made a decision but rule out the gs-t, i had 2 friends with them 95, 99, both broke shit all the time, best time with the 95 was a 14.2 with exhaust, intake, ported cat. on the other hand had a friend with a 02 z28, put on the slp air lid and ran a 13.2. Gsx definately has potential though just put on a bigger turbo, injectors and lil other shit and you'll be in the 12's

Hey man, welcome to AF, but please don't bring up ooollld threads.

Andy